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t Q. by Mr Cubic. Dill Gov. Edward*
•s^quevf you l*» mention what fib had s.iiu
ly any members of the Senate, or did lie
Jiftcrwards inquire whether you had
done so?
ii He did not.
Q Did you'in the ennversaion tyith M
Edward.* signify to him that his being or
not being the author uf A B. would have
no influence .on your vote ?
A. 1 dtd not..
JAMES NOBLE
Witnesscalled again.
Question by Mr Edwards. Please to
state the value of each division of the prop*
eityyou received at Broukville us secu
rity tor the debt of the Bank of Vincennes
to the United States. *
A. As .to the value, it would be hut mete
opinion,and t cannot from recollection name
each division of the'property, But, at
thd lijiic the property was conveyed by
mortgage to the Treasurer of ill. United
States, 1 supposed and believed that it
Would cover nearly the sum $26,000 ac
cording to the terms of the mortgage ( nd
the valuation fixed <m the property by two
disinterested persons wlio had valued
it previously to its being convey -d by th\
owneiis t» attorneys or trustees foi the use
of I he Directors of the Bunk of Vincen
nes, ami for the purposuof discharging their
debts, as will fully appear from a report of
the Treaury Department marked F. and
dated 29th April, 1822, (-ee Executive pa*
pen >f2d Sessi -n of the 17-th Congress.)
Q. Whit is its present.yalue?
A. (t is impossible iiir "me to state.
Q Was it not your opinion, while my no-
min ition w.is -pendiniT, and shortly after
Ton came to Mr, Qn.-en’s to Irnlge, that
there would be uo opposition to it in the
Senate ?
A, It was my opinion that there would
beau opposition—-md you yourself told
ttie that there would—but the fact turned
out that there was no opposition, for rea
sons which you know. You know that the
opposition was expected from Col. Benton
—and he was s'ck. i did not know what
the charges to be brought againstyou were,
end I told you v| the same time that if there
were no charges brought 1 should vote for
? uu and should not regard political feeling.
>uremarked to me that the friends of Mr
C'lwfoid would oppose you, I replied
That, some of those w hom 1 knew to be his
friends would scorn such a line of conduct
—I mean, would scorn to suffer political
feeling to bias their votes ip such a case.
Q. Where‘did the conversation which
yo i have testifi.-d us having passed between
y m and tnyselt take place?
— A. In my room, at MrsQ ieen*.
JAMES NOBLE.
. Mr John JIuson, sworn, on the part of
Mr Crawford.
Q. by Mr F .< »ytli. Hove you, nr not,
bpil * conversation with Mr Edwards, con
cerning the A. D. publication ? and if eo,
Stare what it Was.
A I had such a conversation with Mr
S\|wauis, and. as far as I recollect, it oc
curred while his nomination was pending
in ihe Senate, and bsi'nre it had been con-
Jirioeif, but of this 1 will tint' be positive.
II s'ated to me that there would prnb.ibiy
be, pc that lie had expected, an opposition
ip the Senate, and that one of the ground*
of rhat opposition was the authorship .1 die
A. B. publications, which hud been itnpu
ted to him; that as to that although it was
well known that he had taken a decided
aland agiitisCMr C; he had done nothing
which lie had hesitated to avow, or would
fie-iiate to avow, (l cannot be certain which
he said,) and (hat his opposition had been
open and fair.
J. MASON, Jr
Mr Mason called again,
Q. When you first *»> w me, after I occd •
jkeil the hack rop)n of Mrs Queen’s board
ing iio i«e, what was the state of myhealth r
Ymi were I thought, quite ill.
Q’ Was not this shortly after ray nomin
ation f
A. It was.
-> Q Was it at this time that you had the
Conversation you have related ?
A It was subsequently to this visit
Q Had I not then got well ?
A You were then certainly much better.
J. MAsON. Jr.
Daniel P. Cook of the House of Jleprt.
Mutative*, swor.i, on the part of Mr Craw
ford.
Q. Did you receive the address of Mr
Edwards to Congress by mail ? and if so, at
whai lime?
A. I received it on the Saturday next
previous to the Monday on which it was
Presented to the House, accompanied by a
letter through the mail, requesting me to
place it in the heods of the Speaker, after
supplying some documents which were re
ferred to in the memorial, but wece not for
warded with it. These documents 1 sup
plied, ana, on the next day, did place it in
the hands of the Speaker.
Q. Was the address itself communicated
by uroil ?
A. Yes.
< Q. Did the address come through mail
Addressed to you ?
A. No.
Q To whom did it come addressed ?
A. I submit to the committee whether
thi> is a puiper question.
£lito committee decided that the ques
tion should not be put to the witness.}
Q. State whit rensp'n you have for know-
?ng hat it caine by mail at alt,
A By the mail preceding that which I
JWlievc brought it on, I received a copy of
'jfW*t of the same memorial. with a letter
from Mr Edwards stating that he expected
..ythe nextipail to lo'waM it complete;
and by the next man l received a second
letter from him tinting Hint he mid by that
mail forwarded the memorial, as sugges
ted tn his, former .letter}' and the person to
whom it was sent did early on that day
place the ti> emorial in my hands, which
was in the original blank envelope, having
the post mark id Wheeling upon it, and tli
reeled by Gov. Edward*, whose hand wri
ting I know? and therefoie I believe that it
came by mail.
Q Was it opened ?
A The seal of tlm envelope had been
broken.
Q I think it was early in the day that
you received both your mvn letter ai d this
‘envelope?
A I think it was not later than ten <>’•
clock.
Q Do you not know thnt Mr Edwards is
A. I do not recoiled any other.
. . JUUEJdJAll ELKINSl*. ,
Witness again cdtlctl?
Q. by Mr Clink. I>id Mr Edwards, in
making the denial you have ref»*red to,
use the words "A 11 plot,” or *A JU public-'
ations ?”
A. I knew of no difference between the
two, and therefore do rot recollet t.
JEREMIAH ELKINS.
irilliain IF Beaton, sworn, on the part
of Mr Crautfurd.
Q, by Mr Forsyth. Did you ever have n
couvetsation with M't E' 1 -' nrds, relative to
(ho authorship of the A. B* publications ?
A. Mr. Edwards spoke of those papers to
iue> incidentally.' He came lo our office,
to have,.as he said, a free and frauk con
versation. It was Ihefifst time he had been
there, to my knowledge, for a year 1
was during the pendency of his nomination
before the Senate as Minister to Mexico &
not the authorof those A B publications, L l||ie time Mr,Crawford’s report,
printed in the Washington UapubHcan, wo# maiJe to Congiess. He wished to know
which lie has avowed in his memorial ?
A Since I understood lie was the author
of them, l have understood fiom him that
he was the author of all of those tyhich re
late to the snbjoct of this investigation I
did understand that .the first number of
those publications was communicated to
that paper by a different person, hut I have
since learned from Mi-Edwauls that he!
wrote all of thorn which refer to the sub
ject of this investigation, and I know no
thing to the contrary.
Q Did you, in supplying documents for
that memorial, furnish any but printed
ooe-?
A 1 furnished none others. The rest
cainc in the packet.
Q Was postage charged on the packet
you received?
A If there were, I have no recollection
of it. I am sure I paid no postage.
D. I’. COOK.
Mr Conk Called again.
Q by Mr Forsyth, Fleas to separate
those papers which you furnished for'the
memorial nf Mr Edwards, from those which
came enclosed tnyou.
A I furnished one, and, I am nnt cer
tain, but two, of (lie A 11 publications; sod
I furnished Nos- 1 and 2 of the documents
annexed to the memorial. My impression
is that these are all which I furnished.
Q you state that the seal of die envelope
which was handed tnyou had been broken.
Were tho papers within it scaled up and
directed to you ?
A They were not. I received six or sev.
cn newspapers and documents directed
immediately to myself, but the memorial
wss not,
Q What motive did Mr Edwards state
to you for sending tire memorial tu you in
directly?
A He expressed none. The memorial
and the letter to the Speaker of the House
came in the same envelope.
D. P COOK
Jeremiah Elkins, sworn, on the part of
M> i Crnwfo'd.
Q Had you a conversation with Mr. Ed
wards about the A, D. publications ?
A. I have heard him allude to those
publications, and mentinn his being char
ged with th$ authorship of them.
Q. State what took place.
A. I think it was an article in (he Rich
mond Enquirer, which led to the reiiiqi k
I heard him make; in which article it was
stated that “Mr Edwards, of A B plot me
mory,” or words to that effect, had been
nominated by the President as Minister to
Mexico. Mr Edwards observed that he
was not the author of those publications;
or, as 1 thing the expression was, that he
was no more the author than the editor of
the Enquirer himself.
Q by Mr Cook. Where cml when did
this conversation take place?
A. It was at Mrs. Queen's boarding
house, and during the pendency of Mr
Edwards** nomination before-the Senate.—
I cannot recollect the particular day.
Q. Was any other person present at this
conversation ?
A. Probably there were others present.
I think it was either at dinner, or during
the time that the boarders were coming in
to dinner. Mr Edwards inquired whether
any gentlemen took, or had seen the Rich
mond Enquirer, that he understood there
was in it an article to the effect stated
above, and then made the remark relative
to it, which I have mentioned.
Q. Can you remenber in what part of
Mr*. Queen’s house he then had his room ?
A. I do not recollect;
Q Did Gen. Noble then board there?
A. I think it was about the time Gen.
N-‘ble came there—probably within a day
or two before or after. Of this, however,
I am not certain. v
Q Do you remember having any conver
sation with General Noble about that ar
ticle in the Richmond Enquirer, before the
presentation of Mr Edward’ memorial ?
A. No, I might have had, but do nor re
collect any.
Q. Had you the Richmond Enquirer, in
which this article was contained, then in
Jour possession ?
A. It is imposible for me to recollect.
The Enquirer was taken by Mr Cook, a
member of Congress from Massachusetts,
who then lodged at Mrs. Queen's.
Q. Did you, at or about that time, hand
or shew that paper to Gen. Noble?
A. Ido not remember; Such a thing
might have occurred without roy recollect-
ittu it. ' ,
Q I* that the only conversation you ev,
er h id with Governor Edward* on the sub-
juct?
he said, if wt* would publish his defence.
I asked him what defence against whom ?
He replied, thnt he expected to be attacked,
and whenever he turned upon hi- enemies,
he generally got the belter of them, (or
words to that effect.) He farther said, (and
this I remeoibur distinctly, for ho twice or
tli rice repeated it.) that, when he comnten
ced, he never stopped at the line of just re
tribution. I answeictl him that, if he was
attacked in our paper, lie should have the
free use of it to defend himself; that, if lie
was attacked any where else, lie should
have the same rights ekiended to him, as
were extended to all other citizens—-but he
cnuld have no positive promise of publica
tion, until we had rend the matter which he
wished published. Passing then from thnt
subject, Gov. Edwrrds said he knew that
we had thought him for some time hostile
•o us, on acc' unt of that foolish business of
of last session, (or that A. B. aflf.ir of last
session—Idont r<collect which phrase he
n-ed,) bujlie had nothing to do with it- Mr
Gales was present during the greater part,
if not the whole, rf this coversatiou. It
vas od the aulhorify of this conversation
nlonef that we expressed in the paper our
belief that Mr Edwards was nut the author
of the A B. publications.
Q. by Mr Cook. Had you not, previous
to.this conversation, and to others that you
did not believeMr Edwards was the author
of the A. B. publicotion* ?
A. At the tint? the A. B. papers appear
ed ; it did not'strike me (hut Mr E.was the
author, and when thcsuhject was continued
in the Piankliti GaZetm after Congress
had adjourned, and Mr Edwards gone to
Illinois, l believed that another member ol
Cor gress, was the author. Such being my
itmlresMon, l may have stated it, but do
not recollect havingdone so. But the con
versation with Mr Edwards was the duly
authority beyond conjecture, we had for
9tating that he was not the author—nor
should we have published the paragraph,
bu. for that conversation
Q. Can you say distinctly, that in that
conversation, Mi Kdwndsdid nnt speak of
an imputed pint; and. in saying lie had no
thing to do with it, that he did not refer to
a plot, and not to the publication ?
A I do not dUtincty recollect Gov. Ed
wards’s language, except sn for as that it
left a strong impression on mv mind, that
he disclaimed having any thing to do with
the A B busincs, He spoke of it gener
ally, and I <io not recollect that he made
the distinction referred to in the question
now ptiti
Q by Mr Livingston. When you speak
of the A B bnsiness, the A B plot, and
the A B publications, do you not mean
the same thing ?
A In applying some of those terms,
l have used the language commonly ap-
(died to thetp all to mean the same thing?
Q by Mr Cook; Was not the word
“ pin*,” a* applied to this subject, fu st 'used
in the National Intelligencer?
A I cannot tell* It huo frequently been
used in the National Intelligencer; but i
believe that epithet was applied to it hy
the public as early as it was by the Na<
tioual Intelligencer;
Q by Mr Edwards. Do you not recoh
lect that in the conversation which I
bad with you and Mr Gales, I stated that,
in consequence of certain rumors about the
publications of A B, and what had been
stated in your paper abont an A B plot,
that l might find it. necessary to say some
thing about yourselves, and show that there
was no A B plot in the case, at all—or
words to that effect? And did not Mr
Galea reply ?
A Such a remark may have been made,
but 1 cannot call it to my recollection.
As it seems Mr Gales replied to the re
mark, it is possible it was addressed to
him, and on this account 1 may not
particularly have noticed it.
Q In saying, as you have done, that
I intimated that I had nothing to do with
the A B affair, did you not consider me
as rather alluding to any effects it might
have upon you, than upon others?
A Your object at the time appers to
me ti> have benn .to remove any impres
sion of your entertaining feelings of hos
tility to us, but the concurrent impression
whichyou conveyod toiny mind, was, that
you were not the writer of the A B j>ub
licntinns.
Q Was not this an inference of your
own from the general scope of the con
vernation, rather than from any vipi-es
aions of mine ? ' ‘
A Your exact language*! do not remem
ber l can only speak with certainty of
its effect upon my mind, which is as 1 have
stated. We thought the denial Clear, bp*
yiusi* that was ihr “gouil Reason,” spokt
of in our paragraph, wliicli we -tated our
selves to be in possession of, for not be
lieving you to bo the author, ‘ . \
Q Did I not expressly state, in connex
ion with tho conversation about the A B
affair, that I had no intention of injuring
you?
I think not; because, that wo»ld have
been a virtual admission that you were the
author—-and we understood you ,to deny
being so
({ Do you not recollect my making the
following remark; that 1 never was die
aggressor in any controversy, and never
w -uld be, but that when ntuicked 1 did not
know that I always stopped at the ju t
hounds of retribution?
Jl Of this remark, 1 emember distinct
tv Only that part which l have already sla
led; but die residue may have been ex'
pi eased by you in connexion with it
(l In Mr Dickin’s testimony, he men
tionedyou as having procured the copying
of some of the bank correspondence. By
whom was this copying executed, and un
der what circumstances?
Jl. Bring informed last fall by Mr Lit
tie, of this city, that he should be glad to
obtain from some of the public unices some
clerical employment tu fill up lus leisute
time, and knowing that, in time* of prev
sure, writing was given Out,by some of the
public < ilh'*!9,1 inquired of M> Dickins, in
the mouth of Oct. last, if there was, in t c
Treasury Department, any extra writing
lie could give out. He mentioned that the
voluminous bank correspondence, called
for by a resolution of Congress, was more
than the cleik- in the office could get rea
dy, and as others were employed on it out
of the office, if I knew of any tru-t-worthy
per-on, he w-iuld give him a part of it to do.
On my vouching fur the integrity of the
gentleman mentioned, Mr D. gavr me a
bundle of the letters, which he wished
might be copied without delay, as the Be
cretary of the Treasury was anxious to
transmit the correspondence to 0 ngie-s
early in the session. These letters w ri
transcribed in thr* e or fou* weeks flnd re
turned. Boon after,-Mr Dir kins culled on
me,and said he was afraid the oilier per
sons would not be able to get the remainder
of the letters copied in lime,and asked me
if the same gentleman would undertake
some more lie left another bundle with
me, which were al-n copied. On tliei* be
ing returned, 1 inquired if lie could tell me
how soon the correspondence would be sent
in. He could not say, as (here was yei
much of the correspondence remaining to
be transcribed. I told him the same gen
tleman, and one or two others also, woujd
be glad f as much writing os tlity could
get I then received from Mr liickins a
tid'd, large bundle of thii letters, and they
were immediately put in hand I after
wards received several messages from M
Dickins to hurry the copying as the Jecrc
tary was very impatient to sent the corrrs
poodence to Congress, and es, after the
copying should be completed it would take
much time to compare the transcripts with
the originals Toward tl^p lat*er part of
the copying, I received, every day, a m
sage from Mr Dickins, urging <tespntch.
me*'
as
all the rest of, the copying was finished,anti
lie was so importunate to have u done, that
I was induced to obtain fur Mr Little the
aid of an additional person The precise
time that this copying was completed, I
do not remember, but it was, I think, some
time in March- '
\V. W. SEATON.
SetSSJ
rUKDEtllOK S FELL,
Cllt PRINTER
SAVANNAH
TUt ;l) Y I.VI N1M., JULY 13, 1824,
5«> e tiubiisi,"io u*y a V; y 'iiitca-hiu!,.'
tht teatiniday^in the case of Edward* (6 wk S
we rcfer*dur •idlers, and particularly ta ttle
Twr ' J
tcstiiiionymf M* in whirli lit swear.,thu
E ’twards, in u^iversa^. with him abuutllr,
Crawford, said—h’ 1
tttjdti «jymid. red'him
[Mr. <:.] a.hii'trniindetffeoiAiable,‘ um4vigi) iint ,
offlMMPlRe government; /;c 1ms beuiufoised
about the’ W estern banks and the UtiavidUbfc
Tunds ;*' and that “no roan in this government
could have conducted the fiscal nutl fuunciir I
concerns of the government aith m6re integri.
t> and propriety than Mr. Utawlord did:” ,i| r
B farther remurked—'•! am charged with being I
the author of the numbers signed A 11. (ttit.ng
his hand,) I pledge you my honor, 1 am not t| B
author, nor do I know wlio the author uio
In lens than 10*la\s alter malting the shore
asseverations, Edwards prefers charges of the I
grossest kind against die' seen viry u#the
Treasury and openly avows himself lo be tbo
null; or * f the “A. B,” publications.
A Way with this hypocrite—this thrice conrio |
tcdslandeicri
SPANISH CLAIMS.
The National Intelligencer ol the 3d Inst, eo*
tains a list of the nmounts awarded to the vui. I
oils claimants under the late Florida Treaty,-1
The list is entirely too long for ourci>)umM,|
Persons interested may see the pupei by calling
at tills office. It is stated that the whole am juot I
of tluse claims have already been tiquidi.ted,|
axcept about g30u,00ff. Of the amount '.quid*I
t d, more than t o hundred thousand (Mini
ha;e been gained by die Ci»vernmcht,bemgtb«|
■mount withheld indue tothe Government oil
Custom House llunds, he. by different clain>|
ants. *
Governor Troup lin. nod an’Executive orj
der in which he gives 11 tee to claimants nndei
lie 4th article of iho Treaty with the Cteek Ini
chans o( the 8th January, 1321, that tbo third inf
■talmer.t has hern r. eived, and will beindd <
application, under the regulations heretofot^
established
A Northern Print iniormr Us that Tkomm Gj
P. CuiUiTnN, I'.aq of this City is spoken’ if ;
Minister to Moxico, in place of Mr. F-dwu
resigned.
The Mitlona! Journal is of opinion that “Nij
nitiri Edwards is our nf the most aide and hontd
lole men of this or any'other country.”
Don’t luugli r< ader
A letter to the Editor from the western pit
of the State says “with us the number nM
Crawford’s friends will hr greater than »t ikj
last session ,f the Legislature, How. will
Eastern District stand?”
To this enquiry wo will merely observe ilit
t he will be firm and, unanimous in au.rport i
Mr Crawford. She will send no (ran to itpit
sent tier who is either luke-warni or uppontd t
him,
the
Charles U. IV. Wharton, sworn, on
part, of Mr C,awford.
Q by Mr Forsydi. Have you ever find
a conversation with Mr Edwards about the
authorship of the A B publication ? If ye*
relate it.
A Yei. I have had a conversation with
him on that subject in Dec. or Jan. la-t, at
his lodgings, at Mrs. Queen’s. M; E, said
that he was not tin* author of the A B (dot;
that he did not know any thing abou' it.
Q In what manner was this denial made,
and in what words,so far as you can recul -
led?
A. The manner appeared to be solemn;
the expressions were—-“He would be
d d if he knew any thing about that
U tl A B plot.”
Q How came he to say any thing about
the A B plot?
A l called upon him for the purpose nf
procuring recommendations to the different
Secretaries of the Departmets with a view
to obtaining for myself a clerkship, fiesta
ed that he was intimately acquainted with
all of them, and could gave letters to ail of
them, except Mr Crawford, and a letter to
him would do no good, for, (to use his own
expressions) that heand Mr Crawford ‘‘did.
not set horses together;” “ that Mr Craw-
ford was under a belief that he was the au
thor of the d—d A B plot, the author
ship of which he disavowed; and lie con
cluded by saying that he considered Mr
Crawford a very clever and honorable
mart r
Q by Mr Cook, Are you certain that
Mr Edwarrls, speaking of an A B plot,
did not say that he knew nothing of any
plot?.
A. I have correctly stated the conver
sation as it occurred.
C. H. W. WHARTON.
[To be Continued.']
It is.snid that the degree of A B i e
Absolutely Bad, has been conferred on
Ninian Edwards by the Committee of
Investigatipn at Washington.
JtMon Stutesman,
It is feared that much damage has been Aon
lo the Cotton crops in the up couuliy by the I*
drought!!.
Gov Troup 1ms issued hL proclamation ofTj
ing a reward of g .’00 for the apprehenson (
Murk Combs, ofhaUlwiti county, charged
the murder of Alfred Crary. Conibs is
five feet, eight inches high, black hair and e>«j
small whiskers, has a down look, and is 1
twenty one nr two years of age.
Cnriom effect oflighivivg -In noticing*'
thunder stoi m m Itallimore, it is Muted ’luj
branch of Urn fluid is supposed to have enwf
the gaa tube at the Window of Canfield’s tM
ry Office, [that building having been struck;]*
descended into the pipes, as the g»s light'
the offices, stores and city lamps f r< > ,n
Barnum’s hotel, on the opposite side, to
ueru-st were extinguished, whde the o" 1
candle lights were untouched. This is a
curious effect of lightning, Und will doubtle;
tract the attention of the scientific.
Paul Allen, Fsq. late editor of the He'd®
Morning Chronicle,has issued proposalsfufP
hailing a new paper to be entitled the “
more Evening Post,” and published three ‘
a week, at go per ann.
LOANS.—William H Crawford, Secrctr
the Treasury, gives notive, that Books w I
opened at the Treasury Office, WashingW J jj
day, and continue open to the first of Od
for the exchange of stocks bearing an i nlt
of 41-2 per cent Certificates are to be
rendered at the time of subscribing, bvp$i
The old stocks' 1 ’!
tors or their attorneys,
sunk by the present loan,amount to twen'/J
millions and a half of dollars, in six per e®” I
1813.
Our laSt bUlyUUll 19 IPWHII —.—i— . J
Colombian scitiadron at that place had comP ]
its refit, and dropped down to the Barranc^l
Was expected to have lefttheris flothedayj'l
John Cleve8 Symmes, of,Newport,:'^'1
candidate for Elector>f President oaa ;i
President of the U.,S. fir the district m ^
he-resides, and if elected hd wtff vofc
Cxiv, as Presiuent. \ .
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