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IN SENATE.
Friday , November 21, 1828.
DIVISION OF LKK COUNTY.
Ou motion of Mr. WILSON to re*
rousiiler s< much of the journal of
yesterday, as relates to the passage of
tin* hill (o divide the county of Lfce
and form anew county therefrom to
be called Randolph.
Mr. W ILSON Maid he was opposed
principally, to the naming of the
county after J din Randolph of Roa
noke. Are there not revolutionary
patriots, he remarked, who have ex
isted? In tin* annals of the illustrious
ded, arc there no names that would
be preferred to his?—men, whose s* r
viers and talents were equal, and who
are, more entitled to the encomiums
and the gratitude of the people? If
we had desired to have selected a man
am >ng those who are at present living,
could we not in the limits of the Unit
ed States, have selected a man who
” s more entitled to have that distin
guished honor conferred upon him
than John ILiiidolph?—whose talents
” ere superior—whose r* publican
principle were more free from sus
pieion? What lias he done to excite
the admiration of the American peo
ple, and entitle him to that tribute <nf
respect? Tis true that he may be en
dowed with a certain kind of talent,
e\ euf.ririty; hut what important na
tional measure, that has redounded to
the honor of our country, has he ever
P J *'du ed—li the whole course of his
P <’• ’ I • ar*er, can there be a single
in-* is.ire ,f national impirtance cited
to it has reflected a lustre upon his
country?—No—lie has been opposed
to every administration of the general
government, ever sin o the establish
ment nt our constitution—ever since
we had a political existence. S line
tior s, ’tis (rue, be in y have been in
the right; hut most generally in the
wrong. ILit there is one trait in his
political character, which should
entail infamy on his name. What
whs his conduct during the last strug
gle of oifr country with Great Brit
i•*? Was ho not opposod to the tlo-
Ln oof our rights? Was lie found
o liinating the councils of our country
nod using his exertions against our
inveterate foe, who menaced the de
s<ruction us our political existence?
N i—lie was doing all n his power to
pralix • the arm of government. lie
carried his opposition so far as even
to vish success to the enemy of our
country. Mr. W. Said he would ask
if such men were entitled to receive
this honor from our hands He trust
ed, lor the honor of the state, that the
bill would select some man whose
imno and charactcrwas not so objec
tionable.
Mr. CRAWFORD of Columbia,
sajjl he was surprised at the motion
and object of the gentleman—He was
surprised to think the gentleman
should say that Mr. Randolph whs op
p med to the struggle between our
country aiul Great Britain. He wi ll
know that before the commencement
of the war, he ,went in opposition to
the embargo and the declaration of
w hot upon grounds very different
l to those that the gentleman would
Impute to him. But is it not known,
tti a subsequent to the declaration of
w at* he bid and fiance to the enemy of
our country—-that he united heart
Rii'lpand, in the d> fence of our rights,
ami the dearest interests of our coun
try. If lie th night improper to vote
for an appropriation, he did it from
the candor and honest feeling of his
heart—But “here is the evidence
that he was opposed to the war
after irg commencement? If said
Mr. C my recollection serves
me the gentleman is incorrect. Dur
ing the war Mr. Randolph entered
personally into the contest, and strain
ed ever) nerve as the champion of our
rights. Mr. C. said lie was astonish
ed at the hostility of the gentleman.
Rut lie could divine the cause of it—
lie could trace his hostility and illiber
al fading to it* source. I consider,
said Mr. C., Mr. Randolph one of the
most consistent republicans. He bas
been uniformly the warmest advocate
for the interests of his country.
True, lit; had been-- opposed to almost
every administration—and doubtless
in some instances was wrong—but it
was an error of the head, and not t>f
the heart. Mr. C. said he had not
approved of Mr. R’s whole political
course—but if we take his political
career from beginning to end, we shall
find that he has been as consistent a
republican as the annals of our coun
try has produced. He thought this a
debt of gratitude to which he was en
titled; His services in the cause of re
publicanism laid i laitn, to the homage
of every heart. The county of Jasper
was first named after Mr. Randolph;
And it was merely from caprice, from
the whim of the moment, that it was
changed. It was a momentary im
pulse, occasioned by the violence of
excitement that was at tho period pro
duced, and which soon subsided. But
ii was too late. At that moment Mr.
R. was opposed to the administration,
and this opposition created all that
feeling whit Ii influenced our country
men, and induced them to resort to a
measure which w as without a rational
cause. Trace his political course in
relation to Georgia, and you “ill find
that lie has ever been the champion t I
her rights—that he has ever sympa
tliiscd with her in relation to
her injuries; Look at the cours
he pursued with regard to the
Yazoo speculation; that measure
which has cast a stain on the history
of Georgia; was he not bitterly oppos
ed to it? Look at the recent contest be
tween Georgia and the General Gov
ernment; Did he not go hand in hand
with our delegation through the whole
history of that proceeding? Did he
not warmly support every measure
that was proposed by our delegation
in Congress? If Mr. Randolph had
been a member of the Hartford Con
vention, no doubt, but the gentleman
would have chaunted hosanna's to his
name. If he had sustained Crowell,
in his opposition to Georgia, no doubt
he would have poured his encomiums
plentifull) on his character; No; His
hostility and illiberal feeling lias
grown out of the circumstance of Mr. RN
sustaining Georgia in all her difficulties;
because he inanfullv opposed the General
Government in i's unh illowed attempt to
encroach upon the lights of a sovereign
state. And will this Senate permit .the
hostility of that gentleman to go that
length? Mr. C. thought there was no dif
ficulty in the question; he thought it \va?
hut justice to name the county after Mr.
Randolph. It was a debt of gratitude
which we owed him; and we should em
brace this occasion to discharge, in a
measure that debt; to again reinstate him
in the affections of the people. The rea
son why the gentleman was so opposed to
him; is obvious; he was from the East and
hail brought all the feelings and prejudices
of the East with him; It was his inveterate
ennnty against the old dominion that in
fluenced him, and was the source of all
his hostility against Mr. Randolph. But
when the gentleman speaks of talent,
he will find himself in a minority—that
Mr. Randolph possesses talent of the
highest order must be admitted by every
gentleman in this house, and he had no
doub t that nine tenths of the people, how
ever inveterate their enmitv was against
j Mr. R would grant him that merit—As
for talent, he stands preeminent in our
country—and no gentleman can dispute
it with propriety. Perhaps the gentleman
would prefer that the county should be
named after Gen. Newnan? For his part,
said Mr. C. he was perfectly satified that
the county should be named alter Ran
dolph. He had been 30years in Congress
and lie believed him as consistent a re
publican as any gentleman in our coun
try. He could not go wnh him in all his
political course, he might have been
wrong in numerous instances—but he
would ask that gentleman, if he himself
had always been consistent in his meas
ures—whether he acted correctly at all
times—whether he had not sometimes
bfcen led away by feeling. Mr.C. tho’t
that no gentleman who took an active
part in public affairs could always be
constant—could always be flee from
bias on political subjects. Mr. Raudolph
was a plain, open and candid man—and
no one could doubt the course he pursued
in political affairs. Mr. C'. hoped the
bill would not be reconsidered.
The yeas and nays were called for on
a reconsideration. Yeas 15, Nays 49.
So the Senate refused to reconsider.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
Monday, Nov 24.
The bill to amend the act to establish a
Board of Physicians for the State of Geor
gia, was taken up.
Mr. Haynes was opposed to the pas
sage of th* bill. The members of the
board of Ph)*icians had been, he believed,
constituted a board at their own request.
And the fees now required from appli
cants, he thought, were quite sufficient,
vs they very seldom, he presumed, made
that application with full pockets.
Mr. Jeans differed with the gentleman
from Hancock. (Mr. Haynes.) So far, he
-aid, as his knowledge extended the in
crease of expense to t he applicants, is on
ly to remunerate the Board of Physicians
for attending here and granting licenses.
At the last meeting of the board, the a
oount received did not half pay the mem
bers for their expenses, while attending
here. They received no compensation
for their services. If they had received
only enough to pay their bon id while
here, they would have been satisfied-
It is objected that young men applying
for license, are frquintly, notable to
<,ay —Is it not as hard that the members
of the boa- and sbi-uld have to leave horn*’,
and their business, and attend t<> the do
ues of the b'ard, without receiving e
nough to pay their expenses 7 It was uo
reasonable, he thought to require this o
them—A board of Physicians is e-tab
b!ished by the state, the object of which
is to m ike the profession rep j ctahle, ami
to guard and protect the health, and the
lives of our citizens. Yon must furnish
some inducements for them to attend. If
you refuse to increase the pi ice of a li
cense to ten dollars—if you refuse to en
able them to raise, at least enough to de
fray their expenses while h re, the board
sink in respectability, and respectable
physicians will not take a seat in it.
Heretofore they have only had five dol
lars examination, and five dollars f u
granting a license. The bill only propo
ses to encrease the perquisites to ten dol
lars. The sum he thought was altog th
er reasonable, ami far less than is r* quir
ed by other medical institutions.
Mr. Haynes replied, that if Georgia
has created a hoard of physicians to
meet once in twelve months, and had
made it their duty ao to meet, the state
should pay them for their services He
*aid he did not undar tand this system of
chop logic, which would require physi
cians to come here to guard the health
and lives of the people of the country;
and then compel applicants for admission
to come here at their own expense, and,
in addition to that, pay the expenses of a
state institution? Then the state -h- old
pay its expenses. If the state will not
pay, and if these gentlemen are not sa
tisfied with th° hsiior conferred, by giv
ing them the distinction among their lei
low men, resulting from holding a seat in
the board, let them come here at their
own expense. II they are to have pay
—if they are to have salaries for doing
the state’s business, let the stale pay
their salaries.
Mr. Holmes said that in all the medi
cal institutions with which he was ac
quaiuted, applicants for degrees, or for
licence, are required to pay fom 30 to
50 dollars. Now, if the board of phyc-i
nans of Georgia were to grant license
for nothing, or fur a less sum than is u u
al elsewhere, it would look very much
like underselling others. V 4 hethrr the
lund to be rais* and by the-e fi t* -In u and go
to the board or not, was somber conside
ration; he would leave that to the dis
cretion of the state. He weu and h t the
state determine. But he was dead, dlv
in favor of the bill f r th- re:-m - tbit
he had stated— —that nil otl er in: ti'u'icns
requited from 301. 50dnlLrs; ami to re
qutre less here would look like under-el
ling them, and degrading both the state
and the profession.
Mr. Ryan said that if he understood
the bill it was to encrease the fees from
ten to twenty dollars—ten for examina
tion and ten for a license. If the bill
was read again the house would under
stand it. He did not know that it was
necessary to have a board of physicians.
But it has been established; and now here
is a bdl to encrease their p -rquisites; and
if he was not mistaken, there was a bill
somewhere to incorporate them too. He
did not know to what use they intended
to apply their funds when they got them;
—but he must look with a jealous eye on
all incorporations and privileged orders.
I he bill was then read—providing that
the fees shall be $lO for examination, and
$ 10 for licese.
Mr. Janes said, the gentleman from
I Hancock seems not to be able to under
stand the ‘chop logic’ of this case, and
says it we want pay we must go to the
statu for it—Sir, ggjd Mr. J. so far as mv
knowledge extends, that geutlemau’s
views are directly a f variance with pre
ced* nt. In all the other states, the mem
bers of institutions of this sort are paid bv
perquisites. The University of Pa. is a
state institution, yet young men there pav
S2O lor ea h ticket, and there are 0 of
them* For a diploma they pay S4O.
I And they are required to attend 2 courses
t! lectures. All this is something thrown
upon students independent of their expen
ses here. If students are able to pav 6
or 7 hundred dollars before they come
here tor a license, is it a matter so very
oppressive that it cannot he borne, that
they shall pay g2O here for the privilege
of pursuing the practice of their profes
sion among u-*?
Mr. Stewart thought that the institu
tion of the Board • f Phvncians was an or
nament to the state; but, said he, when.
) l: make th-*t board oppressive to rhe
s ate, its benefits must all be lest. The
tyalogv which was sought tube made be
l-.- *en ibis nu other medical institution
he bought was not a fair one. In a re
*; dar insti utron you derive essential
vtirfit. ILre there is no essential b< n
etit received by those who pay for the pri
vilege of practicing medicine. If you
f ace young men here to pay heavy f ea
tin s he privifge of practising medicine,
• ou fierce them from nero fitting the siafe.
\ -uog men who apply h re, are nine ca
■” s ou t of ten, pennyless. If you force
,h in to pa,) hi avy fees, you will deprive
ti.e siate of their services altogether.
Air. Carter hoped the house would
sustain the b.d. He vvetdd inform the
gentleman from Warren, and the house,
that he had conversed with a gentleman
who was on of the board, and he had been
intoimed that ut th last meeting, the per
quisites were scarcely sufficient to pay
tor stationary. It will be recoil* c ted that
these gentlemen receive no compensation
foi then sei vices, and the institution was
an important one for the character and
s aiidmg of the stale—And before the bid
is filially rejected, 1 do hope, said Mr C.
that, some gentle-man will give some
reasons, (with all deference to what gen
tlemen have already said) why the bill
shou:d not be pass* and. J
Mr. Ryan said he was not vet convinc
ed, notwithstanding all that had been
said—He was not y et satisfied that the bill
ought to pass—Gentlemen speak f bits
us paper—certificates, diplomas—attend*
a S . a ,L < T 9 , e ° f lectures,'and such tbir gs.
And hat their they must come here to
gel a license to kill or to cure us accord
ing to law. He thought a great favor had
been granted when a board was allowed
to be firmed. Bat now they ask for a
greater, which is to be the ground wcilr
of a pecuniary fund. And then they are
to get an a t of incorporation—Sir, incor
porations are already too plenty for th*
I übiic good. Yc t he d;d not dread them
much ’tdi they got money. Th*-y are,
however, to numerou*— whether bank in.
corporations, or incorporations for inter
na! ....pros ement, or for any thing else.
\\ e have h. of log-rolling in legis
lation-corporations, sir, may log-roll it
In t.us ca>e hey have rien to S2O
hat is a pretty extensive stride If
t-ey warn to keep up the hoard, they
r u-t agree to devote a littlejnf their time
to it without compensation. He meant
no ui&re.pei.t to th honnroble profession,
but ,e knew men who had no raners. n r
parci n.ent with aft of ribbon tied to it
u.ih whom he would trust Ins life just a*
soon as w ith any of > cur graduates.
(Mane gent eman called out—‘reflec
tions. )
said Mr. Ryan. 0 sir I
make no nfloctr.c.s-I spe , k n 8en ’ tl .
ments freely and undid-y, aid honestly,
but pel haps a little too plainly. Permit
this thing to go on—give them exclusive
pmileges, aid men who have exh usied
their little patrimony in qualifying them
selves for the profession, will be compel
led to succoti.b, perhaps, to them. M r
K said he meant no reflections, but all
men when they have power, will exercise
favoritism.
.. J h * (alien no ih
bd|? and it was lost.