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Savannah morning News , K'TAB II SHED 1850. I }j, H. ESTIBI-. Editor and FroprUtor. ( FENETS OF THE KNIGHTS. IXTEKRSTING TESTIMONY BE KOBE TilK COMMITTEE. Concentration of Railroad Buxine** on an Equitable Ba*i Mr. Mel)tiwll’ lilet of True Economy—Over Supply of Labor a* a Factor of Trouble—Mr. Powderly lit scribes the Birth oi the Knights Washington, April 21.—The second session ot the Labor Investigating Com mittee was held to-day in the room of the House Committee on Elections, a large, airy apartment which was crowded to its utmost capacity by newspaper men, per sons directly interested in the inquiry a nd spectators attracted thereto by a feeling of curiosity. The hour of meeting was fixed at 10:30 o’clock, but it was nearly an hour later when the committee was railed to order. William O. McDowell,rather an under sized gentleman with a high forehead crowned with a suit of dark hair and look ing about 38 years of age. which he stated be was, was sworn in and examined. He stated that he was a manufacturer of ma chinery. He was a lay member of the Knights of Labor, but held no official po sition. HIS IDEAS OF THE OBJECTS. The Chairman—Without divulging any of your secrets, will you please state what are the objects of thatorgamzation ? The Witness T- elevate members by helping them to educate themselves; by helping them to save that which the aver age workman Vv< wasted through bad habits; to lilt him from the condition into which he has fallen through such habits, and make him thereafter an employer instead of an employe; to so educate him by comparison of ideas and by discussing questions that help to edu cate that he is able to deal with arid grasp rubjects which affect not only himself but his employer, that be may become a bet ter workman, command better wages, and, by co-operating with his employer, help him to such profits that he will be able to pay better wages. NO SECRECY. The Chairman—Are there any injunc tions on the Knights of Labor under which the public could not know all that you state ? The Witness—l do not understand that there is anything in the rules of the organ ization which prohibits any member from telling just the fact3 that have been inought out by your question. In response to a question by Mr. Pl ain the witness made a statement cover ing ail the details of the attempt to arbi trate between the Knights ol Labor, rep resented by Mr. Powderly, and the Mis souri Pacific Kailroad Company, repre sented by Mr. Gould. He read letters whicn passed between those gentlemen on March 27, and which have already been published. The witness not having a copy ot one of the letters, Geu.Swaynt) rose and said that as counsel tor the rail road he would be glad to supply the copy. COUNSEL NOT RECOGNIZED. Mr. Buchauan said that while he did not object to the admission of the papers in possession of anybody, he did not wish it to be understood that the committee had to take any action in regard to parties being present by counsel. Ths Chairman—We have no counsel here. Gen.Swayne apologized for having ad dressed the committee in the capacity of counsel. He had thought it was an under stood thing that counsel was m attend ance. The witness then proceeded with bis statement. After the delivery of Mr. I’owderly’s second letter to Mr. Gould he taw Mr. Gould personally and that gentle man expressed a desire to meet Mr. I’ow derly and himself on the following day. THE GOULD INTERVIEW. They met Mr. Gould on the following day at 11 o’clock and were received in his jiarlor. Mr. Hopkins joined in the inter view. Mr, Gould expressed himself so strongly in tavor of arbitrating tue ddtt ruities that it ec-emed to the witness that an agreement was sure to be reached, they met again in the evening, and Mr. Gould produced and read to Mr. Powderly, as a result of the morning conversation, a telegram he proposed to send to Mr. iloxte. Mr. Gould read the telegram down to the words “we see uo objection to arbitrating any difficulties between employes and the company, past or future,” and then asked Mr. Powderly if it was satisfactory so far. Mr. Powderly answered in the affirmative. Mr. Gould said: “ I'hen let it end there.” PUT INTO LETTER KOIIM. The witness suggested that Mr. Gould should put. the telegram into the form of a letter 10 Mr Powderly, and Mr. I’owdei ly greed that if toe General Executive Board approved of the rest of the letter he men would be ordered back to work. Alter Mr. Powderly left .Mr. Gould placed bn letter in the witness’ hand with the understanding that if the order to go t < work was issued the order and letter were to he given to the pi ess that night, the order was issued, and it and the let ter were given to the press, rie after wards saw Mr. Gould and told him that ( bairraan O'Neill, of the House Labor Committee, had met the Kx-cutive Coin ntittee and the committee had a copy ol liie proposed arbitration hill. They dis missed ttie bill together, the Idea being that if the bill pass ’d arbitration could he had under the law, and il not passed the hill would be the basis of arbitration. THK HITCH. Towards the end of the Interview Mr. botildreceived a telegram which seemed ■'< disturb him, and he said Omre was something wrong in ist. Louis. Tit i wit- Jess said, “Don’t, at this stage, split hairs, 'oil Air. lloxie In taking ill* l men back to work to be blind-” Mr. (Jottid wished to *ee I’owderly, but that gentleman could not go, and the witness ami Mr. Turner went to see. Mr. Gould witti a question •font Powder! v -“Do I ur.d Tstand from your personal'letter ol this date that your company refuses arbitration, and must 1 "telegraph Martin Dons?” Mr, Gould was not in, usd Mr. Hopkins "tmwered by saying, “No, we<lo not. He '■* hot ho to understand that loiter.” CONFUSION IN THK KOOM. Al this point there was it good d-*al of Bf,is e and confusion In the committee tK orn lhe acting chain an cautioned me audience that any exhibition of leel* big would result in having the room cleared and the doors closed. • he witness proceed' and with a history of -no negotiation * fur a settlement and read bin telegrams which have already been Published. Mr. Iliichaiiitii inquired whether in fact *n order for the men to go to woik had i " n Issued by the Executive Hoard as b - result of tnc negotiations and corre- Nymdsnce. The witness replied that such an order ’*•* been issued on the evening of March rhKfnfUTKD ON THK CORHKSPONDKNC*. *he order wa predicated, he said, on the correspondence and on the under standing that an actual solution had been arrived at. it was uot until noon ot the next dav that any suggestion of a misun derstanding had reached him. The ulti mate result was that three members of the Executive Board went to St. Louis. Mr. Hayes could tell the committee what took place there. The witness was not present. Another attempt was made at New York to tiring about a conclusion to which Uie witness was a party. He bad met Cyrus W. Field. Mr. Crain—Who is he ? Is he connected with the railroad company? The tv itness—l do not understand that helms any connection with the Missouri Pacific, but, he is connected with Mr. Gould in a variety of investments. Mr, rield told me ot differences which had oc curred with employes on the elevated roads in New York, and regn tted that a settlement could not have been brought a Mint as reasonably and quickly as on that occasion. I showed him a letter in that line which 1 had received from Mr. Powderly. He asked mo to lend him the letter. GOULD’S PROMISES. He saw Mr. Gould and reported to me that Mr, Gould had said that if ho could see Mr. Powderly in person for half an hour, he had uo doubt he could bring the matter to a quick conclusion. I started lor .Scranton, wnere Mr. Powderlv was, and told him what Mr. Field had said, anil asked him to go to New York with tue the next morning. Mr- Powderly was sick and unable to go, and he authorized me to represent him iu attempting to reach a conclusion, lie wrote ana handed me a letter (reading the one already publish ed). 1 went with it the next morning to Mr. Field’s house. He took it to Mr. Gould’s house, wuere there was a conter ence. GOULD’S SUBTERFUGE. He came to me in the evening and told me that Mr. Gould said that the strike was entirely over, that the only strike which existed was at East St. Louis on the railroads in which be had no interest except the Wabash, and that was iu the hands of the United States Court and could not be interfered with by the stri kers. Mr. Field was called away to Bos ton ar.d had to leave after telling me what he did. I have not seen him since. Mr. Crain—Was the strike ended in fact? The Witness—l have felt that the most complete victory that Mr. Gould could have over the men would tie the most com plete failure to bim.that the true outcome of this thing which would have been the result of arbitration would have insured good will on both sides, and any settle ment which did not bring that with it was a complete failure. WOULD HAVE OBEYED. Mr. Burns—Have you sufficient evi dence to enable you to state that the men on strike at St. Louis would have prompt ly obeyed the order to resume work if Mr. lloxie had complied with the order ,sent to him by Mr. Gould? The Witness —1 have not the slightest doubt of it. Mr. Burns—Have you any evidence tending to show any secret instructions from Mr. Gould to Mr. Hoxie inconsistent with his telegraph dispatch embodied iu his letter to Mr. Powderly ? The Witness—Nothing except the allu sion iu Mr. Powderly’s dispatch to “the letter of instructions”—that and the or ders issued oh the line. The witness here read circular No. 126, signed hv Mr. Book well, directing that no foreman should be employed who was a Knight of Labor. CAUSE OF THE STRIKE. Mr. Crain—W hat was the original cause of this strike? The witness in reply to this question made a long statement involving the dif ference between the principle of payment by day work and by piece work, and quoted Mr. Gould as saving that by mak ing a change of that sort iu the Western Union Telegraph Company he had effect ed a saving of 81) per cent. He added that the general cause of this strike and of tne recent strikes all over tbe country had been the successful strike on the horse car lines iu New York last Febru ary that bad commanded such universal public sympathy,that workmen whenever they had a grievatice or wrong joined to gether and made applications to form as semblies of Knights of I.abor. EFFECTS OF WATERING STOCK. This was so general that the order bad increased more in the month of February last than it had in tbe prior eight years. As an additional reason be alleged the universal system of watering railroad stock, which made it necessary for tbe managers to screw down the rates ol labor as much its possible. Mr. Crain asked what remedy he could suggest for that. The witness replied that the remedy was to enforce the law. The law of every State required that dollar for dollar snould Im paid lor railroad stock, but that pro vision of the law was evaded by railroad managers forming themselves into a credit mobilieror construction company and issuing to themselves SU)O ol stock for every $1 or $lO of work. He gave as an instance ot that the recent construction ot the West Shore railroad of New York. OVER CAPITALIZATION. Mr. Buchanan asked whether the wit ness bad ever considered the question ot over-oapitalization, and tne consequent necessity or desire of earning a dividend on such "over capitalization, and whether • that led to tbe cutting down of wages of ' labor and an increase in the rates of tians- | portation. The witness replied that he bad, and that that was a natural evil which re sulted from over capitalization which wa* j particularly advantageous to tho specu- i tutor. The Chairman—Your theory is that the exactions made upon men employed on tbe road are caused by attempts to enable railroad companies to pay dividends ou watered stocks? The Witness—That 1* the theory, and there is great irritation about it all over the couutry. GOVERNING STRIKES. Mr. Crain—ls there no way in your or ganization by which the aotion of a Dis trito Assembly ordering a strike can be passed upon by tbe Executive Committee before the strike i* permitted? 'The Witness—There i* no iawof tho or ganization on the subject. This whole tiling was unexpected mid unprepared for. The whole spirit of the organization is contrary to strikes. It is an educa tional organization. Mr. Crain—Do you not think—lt has so struck mo—that Mr.Gould himself was very lalrly disposed towards your organ ization ? The Witness—That has been my full im pression from what I saw of him. My impression was toat he wanted to be fair, it tins always seemed to me that Mr. Hoxie was oil a high horse from which he was unwilling to come down, and that when Mr. Gould found hint rebellious in not carrying out arbitration, he ought to have Issued a oositive order to that effect, or possibly had Mr. Hoxie reign; but ho turned round and split hairs with the committee. He had agreed to arbitrate SAVANNAH. THURSDAY, APRIL 22, 188 G. everything, past ar.d future, but he would not take this special arbitration out of Mr. Hoxie’s hands. Kill. Ell BY HOXIE. Mr. Crain—You mean that Mr. Gould has permitted himself to be controlled by Mr. Hoxie ? Trie Witness—That Is the way it lias ap peared to me Still 1 can’t understand the letter of instruction referred toby Mr. Hoxie. Mr. Crain—With the exception of that circumstance (which seems suspicious) your impression is that Mr. lloxie is the responsible party tor the continuance cf the strike? The Witness—Yes, sir. 1 never met him personally, but from talking with those who have, 1 am strongly inclined to that opinion. STOCK JOBBING INSINUATIONS. Mr. Buchanan—A statement has been made in tbs newspapers to the effect that you and Mr. Gould were working this matter together lor the purpose ot its effect upon the stock market. I do not wish to humiliate you enough to ask you if that be true, but I simply mention the fact so as to allow you to make any ex planation you desire. The Witness—l never saw any state ment to that effect. 1 never had any ac quaintance with Mr. Gould until 1 met him in connection with this matter. 1 have never bought or sold a share of stock on margin. There is not a word of possible truth iu the suggestion. The witness said he knew nothing of the strike until it actually occurred. His first knowledge of it was gained from the newspapers. THE POOLING SYSTEM. He expressed the opinion that the pool ing system had nothing to do with it. The most economical management is that which necessitates the least expenditure. The general theory as to building new lines of railroad,causing compctition.aud reducing rates is a grand mistake. Busi ness should be done with the least possi ble investment not only of labor but of capital, and until the possibilities of a sinuie railroad are exhausted a second line should not be built. But there is need ol something in the way of government supervision of railroads, by means of which benefits resulting trom non-com petition shall not inure alone to tne rail road company, but to the whole people. DOUBLE OPERATING EXPENSES. Take for instance two cities like Buffalo and New York. The New York Central had a line of road between those two c.ties and had a monopoly of the business. It cost the company 60 per cent, to oper ate the road, leaving 40 per cent, of the net earnings. Another line was built alongside and there you have got 100 per cent, ot business and you have got two 60 per cents, of expenses. If the thing could be regulated so that one road should do the business it would get notonlva fair return for its capital, but it would be enabled to give lower rates of traffic and better wages to its employes. Mr. Burns—There being already two railroads built and being operated, is it better for the majority of the working peo ple of the country that there should be competition between those lines or that there should be a pooling of their earn ings? CONCENTRATION FAVORED. The Witness—lt would be better that ail business should be done on one road at a minimum of cost,and that the benefits of it should go not alone to the owners of the road but to the country at large. Iu other words, you must not double the ex penses in order to get economy. Mr. Burns—Would you. then, suggest the abandonment of one line of road and the concentration of all business on the other? The Witness—l certainly should. Mr. Burns—That would reduce the num ber of employes one-half. The Witness—Yes, it would, but they would immediately find employment in other waiks of life where they wouldn’t be linngby a tax upon the country. 1 don't think there is a railroad in America which has been pressed to half its carrying ca pacity. COMPETITION OF LABOR. Mr. Parker—Does not the trouble arise partly from the competition of laborers? Is not that one of the bottom sources of all trouble? The Witness—No, you will find that the great, difficulty has not been a demand for increase of wages. Mr. Parker—But is not the source of disturbances largely because of so much competition in labor? If you remove the competition of labor In these disturbed regions does not that put an end almost to the possibility of strikes? The W itness—As you put it it does. Mr. Parker—Them is not one of the great causes of the trouble competition of labor—an excess of men and deficiency of work—men who have been brought in from other countries and are increasing in numbers in their own country? The Witness—There is a great deal in that. Mr. Parker—l would like to hear your views as to an adjustment of this compe tition in labor. A BROAD SUBJECT. The Witness—The subject is a very broad one, and it is one which has been s the subject ot discussion since these i troubles began. One of tho best sugges- ! ttons that has been made to me on th * | subject I would like to repeat. It is that a conference should take place between ! representative men from labor organize- ! tions and representative men from trade organizations—that they should ! meet and thoroughly discuss the i whole subject. As to this contest between capital and labor I look upon them as be- j ing necessarily partner* as much so as ; man and wile. Such, discussion as that 1 would be approached by the railroad uion in a different spirit from that which they would manifest in a discussion with in- i subordinate brakemen. In this waytbere would be gathered the wisdom of ail men who had been thinking over the subject. I do not leel lliat I have hail enough ex perience to be able to recapitulate the re sults of Hitch a con (erenee. IMPORTATION OF LABOR. Mr. Barker—ls it desirable to oontlnus tlie importation of labor trom other coun tries—not pauper labor? 'The Witness—lt would be pretty hard upon laboring men to put tariff upon competitive labor. 1 would like to think a'littln upon that subject. 'The Chairman— I will nut the question in another form. Do you think tbe time lias come when this country will be com pelled to sav who may couie to it aud who may not come? The Witness—lt doe* seem to me that our capacity to absorb Christendom is somewhat strongly taxed. Mr. Buchansn-We aro troubled as much by pagandom as by Christendom. 'This closed Mr. McDowell’s examina tion. Mr. Powderly was recalled to tbe stand, and in reply to questions by the Chair man, stated that he wa* a uncbinist bv trade, and was a; years old, and that the Knights of Labor had first been Instituted in 1*69, ORIGIN OF TUE KNIGHT*. Tbe Chairman—l think it very irapor. taut trom the direction which the exami nation uus taken that the committee should understand the origin of the Knights of Labor. Mr. Powderly—About eight months after the war the garment cutters of Philadelphia organized as the Garment Cutters’ Society of Philadelphia, the in tention was to pay to sick members a weekly allowance, and to bury the dead. In fact, it was a benevolent organization. They con tinued to hold meetings for four years. At the end of that time one night In Oc tober, 1869, they were discussing some measure, when a member said: “We have been coming here now four or five years; we have our constitution, our laws, our officers, and so tar as that is concerned that is all right. It lam taken sick 1 will receive a weekly allowance, and if I dte 1 will be cared tor l>y our brothers. But the conditions surrounding me in the workshop have not grown better, but worse. It seems to me that an organi zation that will go into the workshop and endeavor to effect a reform there is what is needed, in addiliou to the association we now have,” FORMING THE ORGANIZATION. That line of argument was taken tip and continued some weeks. Finally a motion was made that tnat society be disbanded, and it was dis banded. The founder of the Knights of Labor was a member ot it. He was Uriah S. Stevens. As the men were leaving the room that night he asked those present to remain and bear what he hail to say. lie said that if they would torru such an as sociation as had been suggested,one that would endeavor to effect a reform in the management of workshops, mines and foundries, they would endeavor to perfect it. Six remained, talked the matter over with him and agreed to meet again. These seven men and two others met to perfect the organization oil Thanksgiving eve ning, 1869, anil nine men ilratled the first crude form of constitution and manual for She government f the association of the Knights of Labor. CLOSE-MOUTHED. No man was to know anything aboutit. It was to be secret iu ail its workings. A man who joined it was not permitted to mention the name of the association out side of the meeting room, nor was it sposeu inside. When written about it wast obe referred to by stars. The idea was to bring iuto the association every department of productive industry. The intention was that, no statutes of the organization towards bc-ttr ring or chang ing the conditions surrounding employer and employe would be made until every thing connected with the condition of things had been discussed and thoroughly understood. The reason for that was that a strike of miners affected not only miners themselves, but affected machinists, engi neers, clerks, merchants, aid everybody connected with industry in that region. POWDERLY JOINS. In 1874 1 was asked one evening if I would not come with a man and become a member of a club or association, the name ot which he did not mention. I went with him and was initiated into the order of the Knights of Labor. Up to that time I knew nothing of it, but when I saw m that meeting room a locomotive engineer, stationary engineer, miner, laborer, truck man, members ot my own craft and ottiers, 1 made uu my mind that that was an asso ciation which of all others was calculated to do good to the laboring man. This man (Stevens), who formed the first local assembly, was afterwards elected Master Workman and was at Reading elected to the position of First Grand Master AVork niau of the Knights of Labor. ELECTED CHIEF OFFICER. The organization continued under him for one year and nine months, when bis health failed, and when the convention met at Chicago he sent a letter declining renomination and suggesting two names from whom his successor should be chosen. 1 was elected, and from that time to tho present I have been tbe chief officer of the Kuights of I.abor. 'The or ganization was intended to take in not only tbe man who worked at the bench or mine, hut every man who toiled by hand or brain in any honest, occupation. We left out one or two honest occupations— lawyers and bankers—because we telt they were fully capable of taking care of themselves. , The Chairman—How about preachers? SALOON KEEPERS RULED OUT. Mr. Powderly—Once in awhile we get oneol them. We w ill not take in a saloon keeper. Even if a member’* wife begin* to sell liquor, we make him taken divorce, not from his wife, but Irom the organiza tion. The Chairman—ln other words, it is a benevolent society for the protection of ail kinds ol people who toil, and is entire ly within tbe law? ’ Mr. I’owderly—Yes.it is entirely within tbe law. Mr. Parker—What is the number of its ptesenl membership? .Mr. Powderly—Our present member ship does not exceed 500.000, although we have been credited with 5,000,000. The Chairman—Are women members of tho organization? Mr. i’owderly—Yes; on an equal foot ing with men. WHEN FIRST AMENDED. The Chairman—When were women first admitted ? Mr. Powderly—in 1881. We claim that if women perform equal woik they should receive equal pay. We have one assem bly ot women with a membership of 1,300, and from the day of organization t.o the present day a single expulsion or suspen sion has never taken place. They man age their affairs in such a way as to re flet credit upon them, and to be a pat tern for men. Mr. Crain—Do you make any difference as to tbe admission of Colored men into the organization? Mr. Powderly—We make no distinction in regard to color, creed,sex or condition. We have one assembly in New York where the President is a Itmnan Catholic, the Vice President is a Presbyterian, ami the man who occupies the next position a Hindoo, Colored men seldom enter into assemblies of white members. They have assemblies of their own and aro manag ing them very nicely. WHEN POWDERLY WORKED. Mr. Buchanan—Up to bow lately have you worked at your iraile? .II r. Powderly—Not since March, 1877. Mr. BucbatiHu—Since that, time you have been engaged ns you arc now ? Mr.Powderly Yes. principally, I work harder now than I ever did —sometimes eighteen iiouis a day. Mr. McDowell, upon being recalled and asked as to his connection with tne Knights, said that he had been connected with tbe order about eight years, that he was a machinist by trade, and that to-day he was at the bead of one of tbe largest tuoohine work* in the country. The Chairman—There is nothing that you know of in the organisation which is inconsistent with obedience to the law and with tho administration ot tbe govern ment? Mr. McDowell—Nothing, whatever, fin tne other band, it i* a perfect supporter of the law in every particular. LABOR’S CONTENTMENT. Mr. Buchanan—Your observation is thar the fairer treated, better paid and more contented the American working man is, the bettor citizen he makes? Air. McDowell—That’s exactly true. Mr Powderly—One of the things which a member iff the order promises to do is tnis: “We shall, witti all our strength, support laws made to harmonize with the interests of labor and capital.” The committee, at 2:3oo’clock, adjourn ed until 11 o’clock to-morrow, when it is understood the examination of Jay Gould will be commenced. KECKIV Hits it IP A BUSES. Mr. Call Oiler* a Resolution on the Subject til the Senate. Washington, April 21. —1n the Senate to-day Mr. Call offered a resolution which, on his motion, was referred to the Judicia ry Committee, directing that committee to inquire whether any legislation is neces sary, and. if so, what, to require United States Courts when they take possession of railroad property in any State to carry into effect the obligations ot the charter of incorporation granted by such State, and prevent violations of tile same by such courts and the officers thereof, and the waste and wrongful appropriation of the assets and receipts of such corporations in the interest of individuals. In offering the resolution Mr. Call referred to his recent speech on Florida land grants, and especially in connection with the Florida Railroad Company, in which speech he hud com mented on the course pursued by the United States Court and the conduct of a receiver apuoinu-u by it. Mr. Call now read a letter received by him from the receiver, which stated that the information on which some of Mr. Cali’s statements were founded was false and malicious. Mr. Call said he had no reason to suppose ilio receiver was not an honorable ami truthful man, hut he was obliged to add that the gentleman trom whom he (Mr. Call) had received his in formation was equally honorable anil truthful, and, it the tacts were as stated, the Judiciary Committee should give tho matter serious consideration. ItlVEltS AND HAltllOitS. Many Futile Kfl'ort* Made to Increase Appropriations. Washington, April 21.—The House to-day went into committeeof the whole on the river and harbor and river appro priation bill. On motion of Mr. Mark ham, of California, the appropriation for the survey of San Francisco harbor, San Pablo bay, Suisun bay, and the mouths ot the San Joaquin and Sacramento rivers, was reduced from $30,600 to SII,OOO. Tills was done in accordance with the recom mendation of the supplementary report of the Chief of Engineers. Any number of amendments were ottered for an increase of existing items or the insertion of new ones, but no others of the California kind. All were unsuccessful. Mr. Negley, of Pennsylvania, raised a point of order against the clause of the bill which directs the Secretary of War to negotiate tor the purchase of the works of the Mononsrahela Navigation Company or in the exercise of the discretion to ac quiring them by condemnation or seiz ure. A long and somewhat heated debate over this clause follows. Finally that portion of tho clause was stricken out which gives tho Secretary of War dis cretionary power to seize the works of the Navigation Company. Pending fur ther action the committee rose and the House at 5:20 o’clock adjourned. ALABAMA HUFFEKEUB. The Bill Before the House Again Dti cussed Without Result. Washington, April 21.—1n tbe morn ing hour to-day the House resumed con sideration ot the bill for the reliel of the Alabama flood sufferers, and it was sup ported by Mr. Cannon, of Illinois, who thought the House was justified under precedents through humanity in giving relief. Mr. Beach, of New York, while he was willing to put his band in his own pocket, for tho relief of the Alabama suf. ferers, was not willing to indulge his sympathy or benevolence by putting his hands into the pockets of others, it was time that a stop should he put to this kind of legislation, and it wa* the Demo cratic parly which should put a stop to it. 'The morning hour expired without ac tion being taken on the bill, which re sumes its place on tho calendar. Confirmed by the Senate. Washington, April 21.— Among the confirmations made bv the Senate to-day were the nominations of William L. West, of Kentucky, to bo Governor ol Utah by a vote of 45 to 15, amt D. u. Bradley to lie Collector of Internal Revenue for South Carolina. The latter gave rise to consid erable discussion, Mr. Bradley being charged with moonshining predilections. Mr. Edmunds is s lid to have led tue oppo sition to Mr. Bradley in person, but he bad been favorably reported by the Fi nance Committee and wa* confirmed by a vote of 27 to 16. I’rivate Rills I’asscd. Washington, April 21.—1n the Senate to-day a large number of bills of a private character were passed, among them one granting the city of Chattanooga, Trim., a strip of ground through the government reservation in that city lor tho purpose of a public street; also, a Joint resolution to pay Alice!'. Underwood, executrix,ss,ooo for tho time and services of the lata* John C.Underwood,ot Virginia, in prosecuting his claim to a seat in the United States Senate. After an executive session tho Senate adjourned. Wheat ami Corn. Washington. April 21.—1n the House to-day Mr. Hatch, Ol Missouri, (rota the Committee on Agriculture, reported a resolution calling on the Commissioner of Agriculture ior information as to the amount ol wheat and corn on naod in tins country, wbereit is located,the num ber ol seres of winter and spring wheat now In the ground, the amount likely to lie required lor exportation, and other In formation on the subject. Thu resolution was Adopted. PmspHiis of Adjournment. Washington, April 21.—senator Alli son, C'ltalrm iu of the Senate Appropria tion Committee, expresses the opinion that the new rules of the House against “riders” upon the appropriation bills makes It possible to dispose of tbosu measures much more speedily thnn be fore. lie sees nothing except the tanir bill to prevent an adjournment by July 10. Hushing Through Pension Hilts. Washington, April 21.—The Henats to-day took up and disposed of private pension hills. By 3 o’clock about 400 of these hills had been passed, comprising all such lulls on ms calendar with the exception of half a dozen. GLADSTONE’S POLICY. Lord Spencer Declare* that Separation in Not Wanted by Ireland. London, April 21.—The Duke of Ar gyll, at Glasgow to-day, admitted the sin cerity of Mr. Gladstone. He believed that the Premier was misled by the Par nellites when ho seceded from tuo posi tion assumed by him before the elections, lie strongly opposed Mr. Gladstone’s proposals as embodied iu the home rule and land purchase bills. It would be impossible, he said, toentrust the govern ment of Ireland to men whose object was separation. SPENCER UPHOLDS THE SCHEME. Lord Spencer speaking at. the New castle meeting to-day said there were two Ways to deal with the Irish problem coercion and concession. The former is a dangerous means by whloh to restore or der, but what then ? He combatted the accusation that Mr. Gladstone was hand ing the government of Ireland over to crime-mongers. Judging trom the evi dence obtained during his term of office as Lord Lieutenant of Ireland he had not found that the supporters ot the Parnell policy encouraged crime and conspiracy, ['lie colleagues of Mr. Parnell, ho said, have real affection for their country, and their ability is undoubted. The tax payers will incur no risk from the land scheme proposed by Mr. Gladstone. SEPARATION NOT WANTED. The great, body of th" Irish people do not wantseparation, knowing it to be impossi ble, owing to tho geographical po sition of Ireland and the ties of blood and social and business relations existing between the peo ple of Ireland and England. Mr. Glad stone’s proposals, lie said, would strengthen the union between tho two countries. John Morley said he was prepared to accept reasonable modifications of the Irish bills. The retention of the Irish representatives in the House of Uominons would weaken the Parliament in Dublin and demoralize the Parliament at West minster. SALISBURY ON HOME RULE. Tho Marquis of Salisbury, leader of the Conservative parly, iu a letter published this morning, states that he is convinced teat the nation will indignantly reject Gladstone's “desperate scheme” for the government of Ireland. CHAMBERLAIN’S OPPOSITION. Birmingham, April 21.—Mr. Cbamber laiu, speaking at a meeting here this even ing, said that .Mr. l’arnell would not re gard as permanent any settlement of Irish government which would not enable him to sever the last link between England and Ireland. No free people Worthy of the name would submit to such restrictions on their repressive authority as Mr. Glad stone proposed. As regards Mr. Glad stone’s alteration of the land purchase bill, the amount proposed by nun was only a paper estimate. It. could not be douhtcdjtbat at least £160,000,000 wou Id be required. He (Mr. Chamberlain) would sooner quit polities altogether than pledge British credit for such a sum and such a purpose. Irishmen ought to be allowed to attend Westminster and vote on all matters not specially remitted to the Parliament at Dublin. He (Cbam- Iterlnin) would enter no cuve and join no coalition. He would support Mr. Gladstone all that hecouslstently could if the latter accept ed modifications which he (Chamberlain ) suggested. He also said he would tie glad to concede Ulster a separate assem bly. Modifications, he suggested, might not be left to the committee, but the gov ernment ought to give a guarantee that they would be accepted. The meeting unanimously Indorsed Mr. Chamlierlain’s proposals. LOYALISTS RALLY AT CORK. Coke, April 21.—An immense Loyalist meeting was held here this evening, at which home rule was denounced. A pro cession or Nationals paraded the streets at about the same time. There was no disorder. AN ULTIMATUM. Greece Must Disarm YVltliln the Time Fixed. London, April 21.—An ultimatum was dispatched to Greece to-night intimating that the powers were in perfect accord In fixing the limit to the time within which Greece must disarm, and that if Greece did not heed the warning serious steps would be taken to enforce their de mands. Dilkc’s Troublesome Skeleton. London, April 2i. —The Queen’s proc tor, alter testing the evidence in the di vorce ease of Crawford vs. Crawford and Dilke, has Intervened, snd tho Crawford divorce case will be reopened. Subpoenas in the so-called Crawford- Dilke case are being issued for many new Witnesses, including Bir Charles Dilke’s late butler and footman, and, if possible, the attendance of the woman “Fanny” will be secured. Sensational evidence’is expected. The Queen’s proctor will apply for anew trial on May 4. Mrs. Crawford w ill testify to prove her confession to her husband. Sir Charles Dilke will then swear to a categorical denial. Sir Charles will be defended by Sir lUnry James. Burial oF the Murdered Bishop. Madrid, April 21. — The remains of the Bishop of Madrid, who was shot and fatally wounded by a priest on Sunday last, were burled to-day in the centre of the Cathedral. The body was dressed in the Bishop’s robes and lay in an open coffin, which was borne from the episco pal residence to the Cathedral by canons, preceded bv 800 priests, and followed by the I’apal Nuncio, tbet'atnncl Ministers, the authorities of corporations and in.my other prominent persons, all on foot. The procession was witnessed by immense crowds. British Arms Defeated. . f-ONDON, April 21 .—Advice*from Man dnluy sav that the British expedition sent against the Kaohyen tribe tms been com pelled to retreat. The rebels, In over whelming force, mnde a desperate attack on the British, charging into a battery of mountain guns and driving the expedition hack. Reinforcements for the expedition have been ordered from Mandalay. Tbe rebels have captured Meegandel, a police station. They hound the garrison with cords and massacred 23 persons. Tlio Exhibition Bill. Fsitts. April 21.—The Chamber of Dep uties to-day, by a vote of 350 to 151, adopted the exhibition bill, rejecting the amendments requiring that exhibitors pay (or their space, and that foreign labor and material tie excluded. 'I urkey Beady for War. Constantinople, April 21.—Seven meu-of-war have been ordered Into readi ness to sail at an hour’s notice. Anordcr prohibiting the circulation of | Greek newspapers in Turkey has been I issued. ( PRICE 810 A TEAR.) ( 5 crn ia a copy. \ RANDALL COUNTS NOSES. BACKED BY HIS RADICAL ALLY HE GROWS BOASTFUL. Kurd Promt*** to Control 137 Republi can Vote* and the Pennsylvania Pea cock Think* He Can Deliver 37 Democratic Ballot*—Mr. Norwood's Scheme in Behalf of Savannah, Washington, April 21. —Messrs. Reed and Randall having laid their plans for the defeat of the Morrison tariff bill have been testing the House to sea whether they can be carried out. They have had a canvass of the two sides ot tho House made by their respective lieutenants with a view to ascertaining bow many mem bers would vote for a motion to strike out the enacting clause,'or u motion to strike out all after tho enacting clause of the Pill. They report as the result of theti canvass that there are 137 Republicans who will follow Mr. Reed, and 37 Demo, crate who will follow Mr. Randall in sup port of such a motion as either of the above. nature ok the division. Three Republicans, Messrs. White, Wakefield and Nelson, of Minnesota, are classed a* in tavor of the Morrison bill, and one Republican. Mr. Fuller, of lowa, is classed us doubtful. Of the thirty seven Democrats eleven are set down as from Ohio, eleven as from New York, seven as from Pennsylvania, three as from New Jersey, and the rest from Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Louisiana and Cali fornia. The reports are based, it is claimed, upon personal interviews with member* on both sides. If such inter* views were had, and if the figures given above are correct, there is a strange dis crepancy between the statements made to lho canvassers, on the Democratic side at least, and the statements made to others. A ONE-SIDED CANVASS. It is pretty certain that as the bill at present stands the eleven Ohio Democrats, four Pennsylvania Democrats—namely, Messrs. Randall, Ermenu out, Curtin, and Howden-the three New Jersey Demo crats, amt two or three New York Demo crats will vote against it. But it Is not sate to infer from a one-sided canvass that the 20 or 21 Democrats will be in. creased to 37 by tbe time the vote is taken. Mr. Reed has been whipping ths Republicans into line with great vigor, using the old argument that all protected interests must stand or fall together. Several Republicans who hail looked with lavor on tbe provision of the Morrison bill. In the interest of free raw rusterials.bave been more or less forcibly persuaded into a determination to oppose tbe bill. REPUBLICAN INTIMIDATION. Threats have been freely used in both* cases ot this sort by the representative* of Interests affeoted by tbe Morrison bill. Bo far Messrs. White, Wakefield, Nelson, of Minnesota, and Fuller, of lowa, havo not yielded to these persuasions. If their votes are deemed necessary Mr. Reed pro poses to call a Republican caucus on the tariff question, and try to force them by the lull party strength to vote against their convictions. There is reason to be lieve that they will not yield even to such pressure as that Mr. Reed propose*, to lead the toree* of the coalition in per son. Mr* Randall is expected this lima to do nothing but lurnisn vote*. Mr. Reed will probably himself make tha motion to strike out tbe enacting clause, or the motion to strike out all after tha enacting clause, and iusert tbe Hewitl administrative section, it is proposed to force tbe fighting, and make this motion as soon as possible alter the general de bate. Mr. Morrison is still hopeful, but he very properly thinks it too early to bo confident either of success or tailure. CLEVELAND'S INTI?REST. Speaker Carlisle hnd a long conference with the President this attornoon at the I’residenl’s request about the tariff ques tion, in which toe .President lakes a lively interest. He is very anxious tbut to a Democratic House should at least attempt to fulfill tho tariff reform pledge* of the Democratic parly, by passing a small tariff bill if a large tariff bill can not be passed. Dis for this reason that he is aiding Messrs. Carlisle and Morrison in tho attempt to puss tile Morrison, bill. ft would be for this rea son, too, that he would probably approve the bill which It is said is to ba reported from the Ways and Means Com mittee if ttie Morrison bill tails, placing lumber stid salt on the free list. The lat ter bill, it is believed, would pass both. Houses. MR. NORWOOD’S SHREWDNESS. Mr. Norwood did not move to increase the appropriation in tho river and harbor bill for Savannah harbor when that item was reached in the House to-day as be hud intended because; first, be saw all the motions to Increase ( many of them a* meritorious as his own) defeated, and. scc#nd, because he saw that even if he succeeded it would lead to an increase In the appropriations all along the line, so that the bill would soon become so overloaded as to break down. He thought it would lie better to help* the bill tbrougb the House as It was re ported, and then worn with the Georgia. Senators in the Senate and 111 conference committee tor the desired increase. A similar course has been followed by other members desiring similar Increase. In the Senate the appropriation will undoubtedly be increased to Hay $200,000. Kor the same reasons Mr. Nor wood adopted the same policy in regard to the appropriation lor Brunswick har bor. He expects a large increase in tb j Senate on this item also. SAVANNAH’S PUBLIC BUILDINGS. The Senate Committee on l'ublic Builds ings and Grounds has given Mr. Norwood u bearing in behalf of ms bill appropriat ing $150,000 lor the proposed court house and post office. Mr. K< ese, of Georgia, a member of the House Committee on Public Buildings, accompanied Mr. Norwood before the Senate Committee. The committee lis tened attentively to what was said and promised to consider tho inatler. The cominiltee will undoubtedly niake a favor, atde report, but It may be delayed. Mr. Norwood thinks the chances of the pass age of the bill by the Senate this session excellent. Both Senators Colquitt and Brown are working bard for it. The Sa vannah and the Augusta billsaretheonlv Georgia public building bills which wiU golhiough this Congress. FEES or BRYANT'S DEPUTIES. Kx-(Jolted States Marshal Bryant, ol Atluutii, called on the First Comptroller ol th** Tfoasury to-day, with Deputy Mar shal U. A. Mitchell, and asked that bla former deputies might bo paid $->.OOO In fees, wnieh Is stilt due them. The First Comptroller said that only $3,500 won now available for this purpose, but agreed to pay that much now and tb balance In the next fiscal year. 'I lie blister Jury htssgieei. New York, April 21.—'The Shaler Jury disagreed, and has been uisaharxed. They stood 8 to 4 for acquittal.