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~V' ■mmmsesi'* - dit, with, men of experience and dis cernment. That the object is to get rid of them, that others may seize and di vide their property, wo do not enter tain a doubt. . saw asTananM.; WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 18. 1821). CHEKOK1BB PHOENIX AND INlttANS’ ADVOCATE* Boheign. • The “documents, 0 to which Col. M’- .JCenney referred in his communication published in our last, it appears wers for- Nvarded to the Itev. Eli Baldwin of New York, by him to be made public, to prove that the great body of the Cherokecs and -C eeks are anxious to remove. These doc uments we have not seen, and are there- •fo e not prepared to confront them. But at the same tiihe, being eye witnesses of what is passing around us, we venture to •SA , they are of the same nature with the do aments that were lodged in the War JDe >artment, not a year ago, charging a cer.ain missionary in this nation with in- • ter ering with, this establishment, and wr .ing scurrilous communications against •the officers of the Government. Those charges originated from 6ome malicious jperson,who, we apprehend, is still busy in the inglorious work of injuring the Chero kee people. , We wish our readers to bear in mind, that, so far as we have contradicted the Statement of Col. M’Kenney, it has been ..no further than the Chcrokees arc con cerned—thus far we are responsible, and are willing to be corrected if wc are mistaken. In regard to the Creeks, Choc- -taws and Chickasaws, we have not the same means to ascertain the truth, yet we fully believe that Col. M’Kcnriey has, in his address before the Indian Board, done .•them equal injustice. If it should be thought that wc arc too sensitive on this subject, we would remark, 'that in our view, and in the view of the •Cherokee people, it is of the utmost im portance that the truth should be known, •and all misrepresentations should be cor rected; because it is evident that the Gov 7 eminent, either through mistake or de signedly, urges the renioval of the Indians upon premises which cannot be sustained by facts, viz: the impossibility of civiliz ing them where they are, and the willing* ness of a majority to remove. In regard to /j the latter we have placed before our read ers, so far as the Cherokecs are concerned, the true state of th" case, on which the public may rely with safety. As to the former, it is premature to urge it. Not withstanding what Mr. Eatoh sdys, in the ■Communication we publish to-day, it is Well known to those who are better quali- fied to judge, that the Cherokees have been in a state of progressive improvement these 4J0 years, and that the question, “Whether "they are capable of self-government, by ■any of those rules of right which civiliza tion teaches,” ha9 long since been settled. We are frequently referred to past history, 4o enable us to ascertain the truth of the ^assertion, “that the near association of the white and red man is destructive to the latter’*—But does not the situation of the Cherokecs refute it? What would be •thought of a man who would reason that, Because the republican governments of the old world failed, therefore it amounts *to a certainty that this great republic will fail also, and that it is necessary to clidnge 4t into a monarchical Government. Such Reasoning would be premature—it is well known that the United States arc prosper* -bus and happy. We never contended that in our* present situation wc were free from difficulties.— £ut tlic question is, will these difficulties cease by a removal? We answer, No.— feesides, who is the author of the difficul ties and troubles with which we are sur- Jromded? Have they been brought upon iis by our folly and indiscretion ? Have wc intruded upon our white brothers, so ihit wc must step back to avoid the conse quences? Arc we in this instance for- warned of destruction and utter annihila tion, by those whose sacred rights we have invaded? If so, let us retire—let us goto thi west oflhe Missisisppi, there to indulge ourselves in habits more congenial to us— wc will pursue the game—we will follow a savage warfare, and resume what wc have already yielded, "the barbarous practice of burning prisoners at the stake”—we Will, what we have not done these forty years, make "women and children fit sub ject for the Tomahawk fii, scalping knife.*’ But is it so—are we suffering for our folly? On this soil, our forefathers lived and died, long before the face of the white man was seen. This land is ours by right of inherit ance, Si peacaeble possession. If our white fvothers lia vc seen fit to surround us on jidesy and moire dijficiltigi for ps—if they have intruded upon our rights, prop erty fit persons, fit then require us to retire before them, lest they annihilate us, we see no reason that we should obey them. We stand upon our own soil-^we enjoy our own rights, derived from our fathers, and guarantied by the American people—if they think proper to wrest these from us, they can do are innocent of all con sequences. The more we think of the question of removal as urged by the Government, We are the more convinced that we are not doing wrong in opposing it. It will never facilitate the improvement of the Chero- kees, but in all probability arrest it; And as to the promises so profusely made, if we would only emigrate, we v?ould say, there are other promises existing, which we should be glad to see fulfilled first—when that isdone it will be time enough to look to others. We do hope the Cherokees will be So united and determined (of which we have nodbubl) as to put the United States to the test—let us see whether she will regard her stipulations. The people of this nation we believe are aware of the following facts: 1. The Government of the United States have made solemn pledges to them. 2. These pledges, if observed arc sufficient to secure their rights. 3. If the Government violate her promises, they will Have nothing to hope, ifthey should remove to the western wilds. “Think before you leap,” is an old pro verb we think quite applicable m liiij case. It Would certainly be leaping in the dark to rely upon the bare promises of the Govern ment, when it is uncertain whi liter she will fullil her treaty engagements. We say therefore, let her be put to the test. As much as we rejoice to hear that an or der ha? been forwarded to the Agent for the removal of the intruders, we do not con sider this act of the Executive as indicat ing great justice worthy of being applaud ed. President Jackson ■ has done what he was bound to do six months ago. Mr. Eaton says, speakingofthe Indians: “Ifthey hafe yielded the baiba ous prac tice of burning prisoners at the stake, they have not even after the lapse of many yearn, and frequent associations of the whites, tsur- sendcred the no less savage habit of con sidering women and children ft subjects for the Tomahawk and scalping knife.” W e invite the attention of our readers to the words in italics. If, in the above remark, Mr. Eaton includes the Cherokecs, (and that he does is evident) we sh iuld like to know how he has ascertained the fact, since it is about sixteen years ago when they Werfe last engaged in war, and then, as a nation, no one will say they were guilty of the savage habit. At that time they fotight under the eye of General Jackson. Perhaps the discovery has been made during the late Indian hostilities which was a matter of so much talk, first in the CoiSBibus Enquirer, and then in most of the papers of the land. The Officcrsofthe Government are cer tainly ignorant of the condition of the Cher okees, or else they are determined to mis represent them to the public, so thqt they may the more easily succeed in their ht- templs to remove them. It appears to be their design to place them in the most un favorable attitude—this is wrong. When truth is not their governing principle, wc should be induced to doubt their profess ions of benevolence. The reader will see in the first part of Mr, Eaton’s letter a good illustration of these remarks. Who is there that will not feel the In dians are distressed after reading the pa thetic speech of Col. Folsom, the Choctaw Chief? Wc are distressed, ves, we are dis tressed, in our f iber's house, in the heart of'your flourishing & hippy Country»ve in habitants o f the U. States-We are distress ed, ye Christians of America; Arc We a- liens and outcasts? *:o:o:o:o:o:o:o: COUNCIL. Monday Nov. 9 A resolution from the Committee, authorising the delegation to employ a counsel, was read and passed. A resolution from the Committee providing for an appropriation, to meet the contingent expenses, was received and passed. The Principal Chief returned the petition of Jos. Vann, with his ob jections. It was passed with an a- mendment. The Principal Chief Returned oth er hills, which were passed with a- mendments. A hill reducing the compensation of persons employing, arresting and guarding criminals was passed. The General Council closed its ses sion on Tuesday,.evening of last week, 1 tb l meet again the second Monday in October next. During the last days of the session the Committee were principally en<gtfgcd in examining claims. From the New York Advertiser. October 24. LATEST FROM ENGLAND. Yesterday the ship Mary Lord, Captain Wilson, arrived from London, bringing the London Atlas, of Sep tember 27th, from which we have extracted the following interesting in telligence. tEACt CONCLUDED BET WEN tlUSSlA AND TURKEY. From the London AUat, Sunday,Sept, 14lh. BY EXPRESS.—By advices from Berlin, which have just reached us by a special courier, we have positive intelligence, that the treaty of pence between Russia and Turkey is actual ly concluded and signed. The terms of the treaty, our account says, will he an evidence to the whole world of the moderation of the emperor Nicho las. They are based on the treaty of Ackerman, with a provision of indemnity to Russia for the expenses of the war. The Turkish plenipoten tiaries immediately returned to Con stantinople, hearing the treaty signed by General Diebitsh, under powers vested in him by ihe emperor, and csroiled by 4 000 Cossacks The Sultan instantly released all the Russian prisoners of war, who are now on their march homeward. A conspiracy had been defected at Con'stnntinople against the life and power of (lie Sultan, and live hundred of the old Janissaries lost their liVes. Our correspbndent transmits Ihe whole of this intelligence as positive and undoubted. October 27. LATEST FROM FRANCE. Yesterday the packet ship Sully, Captain Mncy, arrived from Havre, bringing ns Havre and Paris papers to the 30th of September, both inclu sive. 'Pbe intelligence by Ibis ship from the seat of war, is several days later than that received by the Mary Lord. It now appears that the nc- gociations between the hostile powers opened at Adnanople on the 1st of September; but, in consequence of a wisli on the part of the Turkish com missioners. to obtain further instruc tions on some point or points of dis cussion. they were swspem&d on the 3d with notice on the part of the Russian Comiilaiuler-iu-Chief, that he could not extend the suspension be yond the 14th. In the mean time, probably for the purpose of prevent ing any improper advantage from be ing taken cf the armistice, lie had moved his forces forward towards Constantinople, and at the latest ac count, is staled to have been within fifteen or twenty leagues of that city. That the Grand Seignor must yield to circumstances he cannot resist nor controul, is rendered so probable as to amount very nearly to a certainty. It seems that in addition to the pres sure from the Russians without, he is threatened with the insurgent spirit of the Janissaries within—an evil, perhaps, more immediately dangerous to his personal safety than the ap proach' of the Russian armies. If the war terminates in this man ner, the Turkish empire will have received a shock, from which, in our opinion, it cart never recover. Its weakness will not only exist, but it will be rendered so manifest to the rest of the world, that it must cease to be an object of dread to any other nation. In truth, it would seem, ac cording to the common course of things, that it must in a short time become an object of very little inter est among the nations of Europe, when they may he eegnged in adjust ing what they call the balance of power. It is now apparent that Rus sia can crush the Mahometan domin ion in Europe, whenever she is dis posed seriously to undertake such an enterprise. It is true, that other powers may combine to uphold Tur key; but it is about as probable that they will unite and make some dif ferent arrangement among themselves, arid place their security on a basis more satisfactory, if not in the end more permanent, than to leave it de pendent upon a government that is scarcely able to stand alone. ■ In the mean time, it .will he an object of interest to see what effects the Russian war may have upon the remoter provinces of the Ottoman empire. Egypt, and the Rarbarv States, which have long acknowledged |n6t tpufch more than a nominal depen dence, will ascertain, beyond all question, that if they should choose to declare their own independence, the Sublime Porte coimot prevent them from establishing it. A Havre paper of the 30th receiv ed by the Sully, contains an article which is credited to the London Cou rier of September 23th, which tnakes the editor ol the last mentioned paper state, that he has good authority for saying tiiattlie British Miriistry is about to he changed, that he is ignorant who will corhpose the now cabinet, but that neither the Duke of Wellington, nor Mr. Peel will belong to it. TheMa- ry Lord brought a London paper of the 27lh of September, in which there was no mention made of such change, or any expectation of it. The Cour ier, if it Spoke Seriously bn ihe sub ject, would be as good authority as any paper in London. But wc are suspicious that this arti le is either incorrectly quoted, or was intended to ridicule the reports that might have been circulated respecting the Ministry. nu Gwy^., h i jiwebA 1829. 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They are thankful for the patron* ago they have received, aod will he happv, to receive the orders of printers, wh’c!— reee ; ve prompt attention. nanls amt others ivm> o ;r if iVlerchanls anil others wno oa• • unut from aliroa I; will he supplier! not only with type but with presses, chases, compos* ing sticus, and every thing necessary for a printing establishment, and put up with perfect accuracy. Their new specimen book will be pub* lished soon, and ready to be sent to print-^ ers in which will be exhibited a preate* variety than has lteen shown by any Fouif dry in the United Stales. . Printers are -requested Id yitilfluh this advert isrvnent a few times in their papers, to receive payment, two dollars, in types| or in the sctllcn'.-nt of their accounts. A. W. KINSLEY, & CO. PnicES—At.six months credit, for a)* proved paper; cr at a discount of 5 pet cent, for cash. Meridian, and ail | Small Pica $0 plain lrirger f : D .?0 | Long PHmer tft Double English S2 | Bourgeois 4G Do. 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WOODARD, JOHN RIDGE, f Administrator; Oo.t. 23th, 1929. 29 6. qg — —— —2 .a -i .i; » NOTICE I S hereby given, that the several share® of the Federal road will he let out to the lowest bidder, at my liousc, on Moii day the 1st of December next, agreeably to a late resolution ofthe General Councip I do hereby notify all who may be con cerned, that those who liave business wit$ the treasurer, are required to attend on tii^ days proscribed by law, that is \Y ednefit- davs and Thiirrdavs. JOHN MARTIN Trcas'r. New Echota IQthNov, 1829 DIi(i®Zibi»fi G«y SSO-O-T AS8A0-A Flt- t; Gotyz shPF o»JBr» arv-1,4.1 f-t^.i. DB DOO-KT (PeAEW-O-A TE^> T« ImY.1 d- rf(»A A»eA0*A F4«A. Drf ©Sh-ZA-E IiS.IGT G«y F4(*J[ DX-Q. A«Jc5, UiMNf.I, KT.1 (V-y- AZ TS EC.0A7.ST G«y hhSJt JPACs Z CY(T<»U. ' db try, m-9 .is.*,*.- Tf TKa 14) Tfi te-WT C4lTj 182^