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fOL. xxvm- •XO 96 COLUMBUS, GEORGIA. FRIDAY MORNING, APRIL 23, 1SS6 PRICE FITE CENTS JAY GOULD He Af pears Re fore the nvest'gatlon Committee for ; semination Hbe' lift* to Kay > b oltba Hlrlk r* -!*•« dciIj InJortalGKi oo JlncA-tlv U lu F*va» of Arbltrutlob tout Ni ts Kuttlvv to Arbitrate, Etc Bpcr’a' in Enqaim»fltin. Washington, April 22-Mr Jiv Gould appeared before the comiui tee in ts’figatiDg the lai i r trouble in the southwest. The doors of *he room of the bouse cenunittee or. elections were kept closed Ihu morning until the special crmoiittec to invest (gate 'he causes anti extent of the labor troubles in the west were prepared to proceed with the xsmination of Jay Gould. Across the ha): ou'sldo of the room was a etur.id barrier be yond which were allowed to pass only mt rnbera of the committee, rep reser tatives of the knights of lubor. several gentlemen accompany! g Gould, inclndi^e I: s counsel, Ge: Swalue, and Vice President Hop kins, newspaper men and several members of cr' gress who were uni mated with curb “Uy to hear the tee- limory of 1 tie grea 1 financier. As that gentleman arose to take the oath aii eyes were fixed upon him, and his response, 'T do,” v ; s giver, in a low tune. Chairman—"It 's the desire of the ccmmi ee, Mr Gould, that you give testimony in reepect to the investi gation iu which we arc engaged, and for 'lie time I leave the examination to M r Burr's Witness wished to know the scope of the resolution under which the committee was aoting. But -e? stated that the select com miitee had been authorized by the house of representatives to investi gate the causes and extent of the dis» turbed conditions now existing be tween railroad corporations . e* gaged In carrying interstate commerce and tfceir emplryes in Illinois, Missouri, Kansas Atkanaas and Texas. Gould—“I- : s true that the Missou ri Pacific runs through some of these gtates, hut at this time we have in. difference with our men and are not strictly speaking within the line of that resolution, but I will be very glad to spend any time iu talking to the committee, though I hardly think they want to spend their valua ble time in talking to me.” Being requested, however, to pro ceed, Gould went on to give hie tes timony in a low voioe, which was generally calm, but which now ami then t.’i tabled slightly, kb though tt were shaken with excitement or emo tion At times he removed his gold- rimmed spectacles and paused iu his speech as he carefully wip' d them with his handkerchief. Bihiudhim sat General Swayne, who relieved him of the work of reading printed matter, and whom he now and then consulted in an undertone. "On th* 15‘h of April,” he began, "we had in the transportation de partment 8307, in the machinsry d‘ partment 997, in the engineer and fireman department 1132, in the car department 503, in the road department 3556, in the bridge departure;: (915, anu at onr terminal facilities 397 men—a total of 10 737 men, not including our general c fii cers. The operations of our road, an-i I speak from thirty years experience, are carried on In a perfectly regular and orderly way The trains are a l run, and the business we were chat tered to do, is being transacted regu larly. Here is a dispatch I received since I left New York. This repre sents the business that was done up to 12:35 p. m. of this day : "April 21st. Two hundred and ninety freight trains moved yester day, containing -1647 1 ale, an in crease of 94 trains and 1537 loads compared with the same day of ias-. year Quiet at all points on the lines Trains doing well.” "I submit to the committe whethi r we come wuhiu the ruin g of the committee,” Burnes—"I ! eiif.ve that this ques tion has been substantially pa-sen upon t.y the comm,dee, and it is the intention of the committee that we investigate ali rhe circumstances ami iacis ri iaung to the troubles, and, therefore, we propose :o examine you wi ll regard to the proceedings antecedent to the resumption of bu-u- ness." Witness—^‘‘Well, I thought it was only proper that I should state that lact tc the committee. At the date of U-.e resolution we were operating the roau in the regular and formal man ner and performing all the duties our charter called for.” Burnea—"PlesBB state your reel** denoe, age and occupation.” Witness—"I reside in New York citj. I am forty*nine years old. I am president of the Missouri Pao'fic and have been sinoe 1879.” Burnes-"We would like for you now to inform us If there has been any interruption to commerce passing over the lines of the road you repre sent in M s-ouri Illinois, Kansas, Arkansas and Texas, and if so what interruption, and so far as you know the cause of that Interruption.” Witness—"Do you want me to sta'e simply what I know, or facts that came to my knowledge as president of the corporation, beoaus. I ougnt to state to the committee that I lefi New York on the 5 h of January with my family on a yacht fpr a oruise in the Weei Indies. I returned to New York 'he 231 of March. The strike occurred while1 was away, and my knowledge of it oomes from such i fflolal info! mation as I received as president of the company since my return " Burne —‘ We understand that nec essarily you will be compel'ei to give many things from -. fllcial Inf filia tion. You will of curse in testify ing discriminate that which y oi know from tuat which you have from - fHoial information. We would like you to go over the whole ground and divulge not only what you know, but what you have reason to believe ” "The first recognition,” proceeded the withers, "which our company made, as far as I know of the knighfs of labor, csme out of the strike In April of last year. I was away at the Mtpe and until Aiicm-t In August Powderly came t- Nev York with a committee. That was ■’ e first time 1 f ad anything to do with biin. He sta: <1 their views, which was that r, part of the road that was in ibe hands of the receivers, should reinstate a large number and men who were kr gilts of labor who had left the employ of the company, and whose places had been largely filled. The impression seemed to lie that I prac tically controlled all the roads in the United (States and that the suit did not rise or the moou s -t without porno sanc tion of mine. I had nothing to do with the road. I explained that to them, While ttiis interview was going on my time came to leave. I turned to the committee aud said: ‘Now, gentlemen, lias the Missouri Pacific lived up to her agreement witli yon? I want to know the 1 ?’ They said: Y -s, you have ’ ‘Well, then,’ I sc:d, 'I want it now understood that if you have any grievano s hereafter again st the Missouri Pacific you shall not strike, but you will come to me, man fashion, and we will talk it over and settle it.’ They agreed to that and I said ‘Good-bye’ and left. I bad no further communication with :hem I went i ff on a yacht ing cruise in J-tnuary, relying on -he good faith of that arrangement being carried out. Tnis strike came on while I was away. The T c xa< and Pacific was in the hands of the United States court, arid uot under my oociro! at all In the course of business the receivers dis charged a man named Hall. I don’t know who he was I had never beard of him. But that act was taken as a pretext,the sole prete xt, for the strike on our road Ojr men told Hoxie that they had no grievance-; they were ordered to strike and this was (be only thing they could do. When the Btriks occurred, Hopkins, oui vice-president, who was present at that agreement In August, naturally took it up with Powderly. Tnere was a strike on one road contrary to the agreement, and he penned a dis patch to Powderly Just as coolly as a . u-dness man w u'd.” Witness then read the dispatch sent by Hopkina to Powderly on the Gh of March, in which he tnf rtn- Powderty of tbe strike, Btates that th : men have do grievances aDd ex pressing the wish to talk the matter over with him, Two days afterward Pt wderly telegraphs that he saw from ihe public pres i that the strike was caused by the discharge ol Hull, and ashing if he could its re) a see. ted. Hopkins replied that Hall was em ployed by the Texas Pat- fin, and no; by thi Missouri Pacific, and (hat ibe latter road had no control over the receivers. "Tothts message," continued wit ness, "no unswer was vouchsafed The eastern - fflees of the great rail roads are their financial depositories. They hnv« nothing to do with the labor. Uc.'X,e had control of that any way, but ch- board in order to rn.-.ke it doubly sure, ; u: it it; ins hands, and he managed it from that lime on uadi after my r- u-a, Let me ex* plain to the committee what the strike was that took place in March and wti«u the > ft -ct would have beer, if it had bee s.mply a strik". We had at the date of thee’rik 14 315 em ployes. The kmgh ts of labor sinkers numbered. 3117, but (bey were no: men who were neoiusary to the op oration of ‘.he ; ad. They were men in the machine shops, men along the track, switchmen, men who pets formed the lower cu-io" ors the rail road, so that it them 3717 men had struck and le't the premises we wcul i. not have mts-ed a train. Our busi ness would have gone along regularly as cl ck work; but following the b.avit g of our employment what did 'hey d--?” As he a-iked this question for the flret time durir g the course of his statement, Mr G uld raised his voice ami showed symptoms of excitement, and 11 was with energy that he pro ceeded to answer his ow’ querry. “They exercised more than the right of government domain. They took S: Louie, tiedalia, Atchison, Kansas City, Parsons, Fort Worth, L'ttle Rook and Texarkana, They took forcible possession of them and said, ‘no man shall run a train over that road.’ That is what they eaid. What did Hoxle do? He said: 'They have taken possession of our road: we have got no earniDgs now,’ and he was forced to write an address to all the naan suspending payments, aud thus 10,000 men whu were loyal to the company, who could run out trains every day, were deprived of their work, of their power to earn their wages. That was what follow ed the strike seizure. You can call it by no other word—foroible seizure —something that tt-e czar of Russia would hesitate to do with his millions of soldiers behind him. Mr H -x.e’a address to the men was then read by Swayne. As he was reading i; Powderly entered the room and secured a position oppoeite G.-ukl. Chairman—“What was Hall •hatj’-d whb? What crime had be jiltted? What was the reason of the discharg--?' 1 In response to this question, Swayne, at the r quest tifG'ii ifr-rrl a statement Issued by R .-culver Brown declaring tha Hai wa au in competent man, ami was discharged for absenting himself without h ave Ho also rend n circular issued by the Missouri Pi.’.flu on the B.h of March notifying all persons who had qu t the employ of the company a nos Mirch rbt fifth thn r their names were no long! r on the rollR, and that they must leave the premises of the centra i y; also a no'ice of More’ 10:h advertising for mechanics and lauor- - a U fill the places of the striker:., and . tu ing tout nil good and com pc tent men would he employed regard less of their t s nt or pest connec tion with the knights of labor The reading being ended, Gould proceeded. He ta f: “This brings the status of the -.-trike down to the 10.h of Match. At that time the s-rikers had tekea possession of the line. When we uade.rUk.k to rue trains they would ‘kbt’ he engine- Ii that were not, rufli.-ieui they v u ii uncouple ti e cars, or wou.d assault the train The m n wh ■ uu ii( rtor.k to get trains ou'dav after day were met bv that opposition, fneu ’lie two governors of Missouri and Kansas who had been arbitrators of the agreement of March 18 h, 1835 (under which we had been actii y), were culled ou to mee: tv Kansas City. Thera they heard everything which the strikers had to say. Afti-i hearing both sides they prepared a formal report, which was pub lished. The report was read by Swayne. It declares that the strike of Match, 1886, was not 1.. sad ou a violation by the company of the tetni3 of the agreement of March. 1885. H aj ne also read in the tame connection the reply of H- xie to th? two governors, stating that good and competent men would he employed by the company without regard to their post or present reta'ious to the company or to’.lie knights of labm ; also, the reply of the knights of labor to the two governors Goutd (hen resumed his statemen'. He said : “That correspondence shows pretty conclusively rite truth of the proverb that you may lead a hi:rse to :.ht- watering trough, but can’t make him drink Our shots' were pen for the- men to go lo work, and t( they did not go it was not our fault I returned to New York ou the 23 1 of March. Shot y after uiy return correspondence . was oponeo between Powderly and myself. L will not a’op to read them now, When MeD. well brought t ie last (letter to m. I o-id him I would meet. Pow- leriy, I as an individual aud he as an itulividua., and that I would have a frank ttrk with him on the whole subject. He brought P< wderly to my house ou Bu day, the 28.it of March. At (he time of (hat inter view the road was in full operation at all the points excep' Fort Worth. Texas, and Parsons, Kansas, I me Powderly and McDowell at my house on Sunday, and had a frank talk with them. Puwderl. ’s mere, circuit- (so-called) had been s-med, and my motive in s elug him v. s to brace him up, btoaut-e tile sentiments expressed in that circular were so different from the acts of the strikers tha . 1 thought ho needed bracing up. They brought up ‘ho qc.siion arbitration, which had beun covered by tbe correspondence, and which 1 had very fi any declined. I neve, was more po.-itive In my life than I was when I made that declination. We talked up to 2 -’clock (my dinner hour) and I told P w leriy and Mo- D well to come buck !ha r night Thoy comet back at night and wo resumed our talk. Powdariy said to me these men out ther (I want to talk with you frankly) re in rebel iio- to cur order. Tkeyetnk» without c.use, and I have it. in contemplation tc- morrow to vindicate- n.. s f by is- sui-.g an order taking away theit char;*. ? I said: ‘Mr Powderly. yon hav-. teen so stank wn.h me the . I will lie tqually frank with yon Now I will read you a dispatch which 1 hsv prepared ;o send o H x.--. I go down,town to-morrow morning a. 9;30ind 1 will s-nd it, then ’ I look out of my pocket and read 'o him rnj dMpaccn to H xie, dlrtc ing | reference iu cmpltyment, he given the late employe- whether they be knights of lubor or not. Now I uu no- know how that can be twisted so tta to make i< mean some thing u.f! rent from what It says. I read it over to Powderly just as dis tinctly a; I havi n ad it to the. com mittee. Powderly Bifid: ‘I approve of that, and it will help me if you will give me a copy of it.’ I sahl: Cer tainly, I will do that.’ That brought our interview to a close. I went up stairs and oopied the diepatch in a note addressed to Powderly and gave it to McDowell to deliver to him. There was no right on the purt of McDowell or Powderly to give the dispatch to the public until I had put it into Hoxie’s hands. They went out of town and changed the whole pros gramme. N‘-xt morning the news papers came out publishing this and saying on the part o' Powderly ‘Mr Gould tins consented to our pien of arbitration.’ That was pub’isaed broadcast. It was utterly untru. 1 Utterly untru I As for the question of arbitration, I have aiwaj s been in favor of arbitration. It has been rather a kind of hobby of mine, and, therefore I said In my diepatch to Hoxie ‘We see no objection lo arbi tration.' ” Gould here read stenographic notes of the Interview between him and Powderly, and continued : “I be lieve that iu the Investigation yester day, there was reference h-a le te' o? instruction There was no letter -eat exoept the Powderly letter. Want Hoxte recant by tetter of instruc tions v: s my letter, and addressed to P 'Wderly. What he said iu the news papers that morning, of oour^e, re ferred lo that. I want to say very distinctly, that there have been l.o Instruct) s Usu ; d, oilier titan those embodied In that le'ter, They hnvt been lived ut> to by the company " Crain—"You say dislie'ly ihet? were no secret Instruction*?'’ G uld—‘‘There were no secret in structions Oi the cotitr- ry wehav lived right up to my letter t . Powder ly, pot withstanding all the provocti lion w? ! ay re eivetl ” G mid here rend various telegrams aud corresp": deuce which have nee:: already m .di public, t; eluding the procPmaiio , ol Match 29 issued by the executive board of tno district assemblies at 8t L >uts, c.-n- gratuiatir-g the knights of labor on tueir victory and on theif man- Food and the fortitude shown b:, them, He -aid thai was an address which was siued ou the 29 o of March, when every thing seemed to be lovely Tne tuxt address that was Issued by them was o e issued ou tln- 6.h of April, ad ins-- d to the work lug men of the world, Gould res ’ the address in « tone of Barca- in, but wot with.iui viBible emotion. It in Him one in which he is sp ken of as the giant of incorporated wesith, every d illar of which w as built on the blood of i juslioe and outrage. He said : "That s the response which the knights of labor made to cur continuing tne hand of f.'lh.w- ship which we had held out to them We commenced operating our road. Ab I said, when I met Powderly ou Sunday the whole system was it, operation, cxc pt a! Parsons and Fort W'rth Our earnings for tbe firs? week of April were equal to those of the same week last year, and the earnings jt the second week in April were $36,090 more thun the corresponding weeic last year, so that, -is I said at the beginning of my remarks, it seemed to me that the resolution under which the com mittee is acting, does not really apply to the Missouri Pacific rail road.” Burne —"Have you any other doc uments that you wish to Bubiui.?’’ Gould—"I have receivtd several <-f this sort I only read this one be cause it Jls au order emanating from three lodges that govern the Missouri Pacific system.” Chairman— 1 "We will accept that as a specimen of the workingmen’s ii a erarute.” G tuld—"I have Just received a tel egram from Hoxie stating -.hat trie S: Louis papers t " day published this dispatch, sent from here yesterday: ‘ ‘Push the strike. Wahave plenty of money to carry it through. ‘John Haves ’ "Hayes is, I believe, one of \b- tx- ecu-ive committee of the knights of labor. He is the same man who ad dressed tii© dispatch to rue holding me responsible for the murdetH in East 8. Louis ” Burner—"It la hardly proper to put that in evidence now 1:1-- mete hereby. The matter will be Inves tigated when we got to t L mis-” G mid—"Then I withdraw U." Burnes—"You e{ ;ke of the resolu tion of the board of directors of U e Missouri Pacific with reference lo the duties and pow s -r Hoxie. Did you unii s.and that r.s iution as limiting or ion trolling you, powers b president of the corporation ?” Gould-—"That happened while I was away. When I left, on January 5th, an acting president was ap pointed and I surrendered f.,r the time being my p shorn as preside) t of the hoard. I didn’t consider th: i'esoiutlon a« having any.,ring to t, with the question of the du ieg and powers ol the president,." Burnes—"W-et: you prepared your disptheh to H -xte u.t, y ,u tu..end a that time to la vs bim enhrely fr* < to act according ,uhis ..wo judgme. ? Did you intend it us a peremptory erdrror rely as i-dvistny? ’ G -uld—"Not even ns auvieory. I la vended it as a matter of prec-u'.ioi I meant to put the wtc-ic matter i- Ult isanits, tt give t:im entire omit- ‘ anti to hold him rerpe- s hie for u:< results,” Burnes—"Did you send t< H x:e, or did you c-u-e to be s ■■•t to him either on Monday or on Sunday, or tbe Saturday preceding, any other tekgram or any other udvie ?’’ Gould—‘No, sir. My telegram to Hoxie mean; just wtiat it B»ys ami we huvt not changed from that day to this by the crossing of a T or the dotting of an I,” Burnes—"In your testimony as to this dispatch to Hoxie, you stem to favor the principle of arbitration for a settlement of contention between employ s and employere. Give us tbe results and experience of your observations, as to how that principle can be carried out pruotically ?” Gould—"Arbitration is getting to be a very easy and popular way of settling dlfiicul.ies between Individ uals and corporations, and between corporations and their lnviilual em ployes, I have always been In favor of arbitration. I regard the employes of a railroad o-mpany a*, upon u d.flerent footing from the employes of manufacturing or other private corporations. A rail way corporation acts in two senses— first, as a private orga. z tiou, and second, as a public corporation, hav ing a contract with a'state by which It has certain duties bo perform. Those duties are to be performed, not by rai; a-id engines alone, bul by i.he entire organ zuion, ami they ciothe themselves with public duties from the president to the lowest employe. They clothe themselves with public duties which appertain to the opera tion of that railroad . s an entile y." Burnet)—"Have you considered the question as to whether there is any mode by which the whole wo.king force of a railroad oen tie put under control of tile people ?” G- uld— ‘Y sir Tite laws do that now The difficulty is only in nu» forcing them. You see that on tbe roads operated by receivers strikes are rapidly ovptcome, beoause there Is respect forth: United States coll" s The public has t- r:gnl to have the railroads op ruted. Any law which defines that right, and couples with it provisions for arbitration, would be a practical solution of th ' question,but arbitration should not fit) after the men had struck and seized the prop erty of the tallrot'.d company. It should tie the du:y of the men to keep on at work, A railroad is not merely the rails, ties, gradings, loco motives and oare-, but il is the whole thing II is the duty of somebody to ma tage il.” Burn s -"Might not the general government lit-.-usu at.d thereby gov- * ru and couttol tie - llielals of a rail road from the superintendent down?” Gould-'I think the i Hi rials as sume that to be fhtir duty now. I might be made more distinct by somn enactment, and if any l-'jusllcc he done there should be a mode of arbi tral ion. I have always been in favor of that.” The chairman reminded G mid that during the civil war the public du'.ksof railroad i fflclait wore rec og. zsd by 'aw I ) fac*’, they were . x.-rupt fiotu conscription; ami Burnes mentioned the analogous case of the l.c-nalng of pilots. G> uld—"I think that Powderly is uuderhsking to do too much. All that I can do is to sour- Pacific, and trouble wi.h tout, but Pow.leriy is running the shoemakers—the men s' ho make pegs aud ioathor—all other trades, aud not only the emp! :yan of the Missouri Pacific railroad, but all of the employes ou 13,000 miles of railroad I do not wonder that bo has broken down under the loud. I think the government should have such right to g-.vern and control the railroads as to have troubles arbi trated even without cossulting the company or Us employes." Burnes—“Y u mean compulsory arbitration ?” G uld—“Public opinion on these questions is all-powerful. Perhaps voluntary arbitration would Lav-o u greater effect than compulsory arbi tration.” Burnes—"And yet, forsonie reason you and Powderly aud MeD .we.I were in consultation, endeavoring to :rlog!;b:ut» settlement of alleged grievances, and it was uot brought ■ibot: ?” G uld—‘‘Oh, no F I was rot on* det.voring to do that.” Burn* o—‘ Y -u were not endeavor** lug to arbttrnt..-?” G -uld—"No, sir. Wo met as Indi viduate to bave a talk over the sltua tion. The matter wan in fci' xte’s ha dt and never changed in any shape or form I said v. Aral that. I vv-.u!d not. I so staled in my lott'-r and have never changed. It’s one of ihe matters wfilch 1 do not tuk up ” "Biiriifcs —" Why are your views that uve friendly to arbl ration not carried out a', S L m ? ’ Goold — "Htxlo has hoen k!w-.ys rosdy to carry ’ hern out That has beet: always our policy. Wr are ready to arbitrate any grlovsnc.-jR between he oompuey aud lta employes, but the luterprstaUun which Powderly put upon it was tha’ the knights of labor wore to st"p Id and oversee this arbl .ration T..eri art 10,000 men employed by the Mlsiourl Pacific who ars no: members of that order, bu! arc ati w bora of other orga: izalle-n** wnleh dca: aitti us (itrec.iy, Aiier the striiri lo 1895 wo terminated our r rid- dona with ih.; kr.ighti- -,1 .sib ; they bad taken poBsea .it.n of our rose, TU*,12 there w as oo et-.-al We put them an s d flore-1 footing Wo took them had. I*ul v<. s-v-k ‘hoir: ‘ r.ost s h, 1 :- viduals, Ws didn’t ask thorn if they xero knlgh's of labor or Mnthodmts : Baptists, or ar-y‘h’-:g else, Wi uij 1 !oi propose tc deal with the knights ol .abor a; an urge zi'.ion. Powder!; undorstoo l ;li,i disti: otly, because I -,.u:ed It cMstlnc.ly in that interview.'’ Marne-: oatled attention lo the order referred to iu .be testimony ye-.toruay diieotlog that ao kmgljle of labor snould be employed r.a foremen. (iuuid denied «uy ko w . d,.i of ' a order, but Jus i tied It on ‘hr. \ rlnclpie f uot putting on guaui a.i" except lo too much. All ostno out m tne papo.-M rr manage the Mis ttisre was an enllrely fi I have no end of dona, It was of tha I not oause I didn’t agree t f by Oatf-walto -j« tostook srecn'atton growing iu 1 of the strike, ar-.cl he said that he knew nothing ol tbo kind, aud that so for u* ho wna concerned he had cot mafic a tranmetton it; s'cck, either long or short, iduoo the- first of July, and hod no speculative interest In the Dcsrkt-t He was t-nro Ilia* none of the directors rf ;bo Missouri Pac fl-j had any dea'ings in the stock of roads ou Ihe days following his lute:view with Powiieriy Outliwatte — "Wherein would the public interost.s or the la,crests of the company have suffered by represents** tives of the company accepting the proposition of the knights ol labor.” Gould—"To arbitrate win ? That was the question " Oathwauo— Y u certain'y knew wl.at you d-U'ired aboo Gould — "I do no*, la ow that we dif fered at all I read my proposition over i - Powderly, and he s’dd he cgteed ‘to every word o* H ” OatLwallo—"I Imve reference to the dtfilcaity which seemed to arise, if It did not srise, On that Monday:, firat the tnsr; wore ordered to resume *v„ih, and were aboat to do bo, sod thou the next luforuiRtlor the country had w-:s 'hat the rae.fi had no', resuuod w. -Sc, ard that trouble was still ' xiatlng.” G :uld — "T'hey did uc-t pay any atten- tlou to the order. Oa Ihe contrary Martin Irons te egraphod to ttuim to hold ihe fort. They did not ohi:v tha order and did not propose to, I did not uodarstaod that there was auy agreement with Powderly. I hare wss no' whon he le’t my house, I did uot know wtiat he wan going to do. After he went ou I had a Uacuasion with Konkins, who remained, as to what Powderly would do I sai l be would do oo.hlng, that tie hod uot the courage. What ho sold ho would do, was to insole au order declaring ihat iho strike ww without cause, and that Hie men were la rebellion, ana taking away tnoii charter. It was oa that state a.act that I g .vs him a copy of my dlspiuoi: to Hoxie The ni x', morning when K csme out iu ihe paper a from him, that If rent thing eon:plained, be- agree to It iu that shape.” OJlhwalto— "But svhst injury oouid hnve coma to the company it U uad ao« enpted end acted on Powderly’s view of tbo oa, f < Gould-"Ido not know what sn'j ,ot their arbitration would cover, ll It covered the question, whether we Hhoul:! discharge men whom he had employed after ihe strlk-', we vrouul co( sdwlt that to be a subj iot of arbi- trstlon ” Outhwalte—"Toet: you, did not in* tend or waut to have any uruitrutiuu or ,fieri to aet.le any dlfii uitles with the knights of lubor wh" had struok or were out of your employment at ths t in:-—wa% teat the uud(*.etaudl.> f .? ’ w Gould - ‘Y j that is U dlntluotly." Burnea 1. qulred au to tbn relations of the Mlssout. P olflo wl:b other rati* roa s iu w ltioorp -at.ed in the syatem, as to’ he limouiA ofstooke nod bo-:ds Issued, and as to other matters c--u. neoted. with tho c. ia; auy, wulohinfor mation Gould pr luIsmI tu furnish heroefter, A 5.30 tbo cimmlttse sdjnurnod nu ll' 11 o’clock to-morrow, A tVr»», ••«'**■) .v»u, I Worfc. Brcolul to K< jatror-Fnn. Atuanta, April 22—A wrecker pieced a cross,ie oo lb K'St Tennohese truck, near S :\ t r or::ek, Tuesday nlght| *.hoc,alopplback iu tie dark, watched an approaching freight train strike tt ntid uni down e ten foot-‘tnoankmaat. O e man whs Instantly killed auu a x- oilier fetHlIy t-Jur«J T!ie man who w«s kilted was Th.rnas Nhenan, wi.-o was firing for Ids transportation float Gh.-Aai.ooga to Awantu. No was crushed and cut to pieces 1,’Ucrit oa his pars in show tha, ho was a ol zen of Kngiftud Juufe Wright, tne ongiuoer, was so badly Jure! that he vrttl U;o. Mike Wnnkl6, the regui.ii firaraai, was as loop In tuo tender. He was not bOitt.ohod. Tht, OngUKwr saw Ihoob- atruotloi: Jus-, before he struck i , bat was not aoie to stop the tram Toe wrecker heA not been c-wi'.ureu, «»U 'iliiBUKO. S/i&ria! '6 ffatniypr-ttun. Sew Yu..ii, April 22 -The Btcok mafKoi ugat.i reached a pulhi, of X- tfimtiu t.ooAi tu-nuy. XnoeXi.nu.-gtf w - t-;, oiosed I '-.-ii .rrsw, P*:oos were about steidy during the furenoon, yielded siigudy w.-.i m.u-ty oud a -iit.'e u.,.louse in buolners, bu g<lu Le.- * .t kic-bdy late in ilm day u .-J clot \ «r j . w fi afternoon. IN' ctiiisfilcuoue fur •ioirtnoro Pae.Ue ...ro also fracilons shares, :,;tlr«-ri a ri The- city ' f “ aamn p< pulatl m 390.000 rrr to q tkir’n the Amorio: . - . . - , comprehensive ■hose who could he trusted He adds i j able system* a.. "ThoifaSt words that f h i.d It P/wdor- ' ly were ‘Powderly, if you have any grlevauoea you may oomo to my house or at my cllloa, but do not bring McDowell, oomo youraeif.’ I was overrun with poorrlo who said to me: ’Book out for McD .well; you will have him presenting you with a hill to-morrow ot $20,009 tor settling this strike, and ho will put it In the hands of a lawyer and sue you.’ ” The oommlttee took a recess for a quarter of an hour and re-asHembled a 3 pm, when the examination of Gould was resumed. He was inquired of by Crain as to the ways of construction companies In issuing stook to themselves ont of proportion to the work done, but Gould denied any knowledge of such dark and questionable transactions. Ho v/as askod his opinion as to the cause of he strike, and tho only reason j (hat occurred to him was a desire of; Home of the loaders to obtain noto- I risty, and tho ooceequencos he had never heard of and did not I fie.ieve in such causes of com-1 p’alnt as Powderly alluded to ; In the, firat day’s testimony, such as 1 unit -Cady l-.r li a urcu m m.-ii a v-iry Paul, Pai .fia 119 OW rip:, with -ib u; the re Now Yirk, hai ire yatds .-! stretiiU . ruetr-qiuiiH, It hn» ttc. t’loca' and chart'.* mat/iuliia .weu.y- .hreo circulating .ibrarles. Its annual m unloipat '.-xpei.-fitures art: under $10,» OlOOCO The annua! upandUuros of Now York are nearly $86.ottu.uuo, over $I0,(XHJ,0'XI being required lor salane-- ofofficetioidei s alooe. Icsllrond Oimrniloa, It hSB been oaloulated that when f. railway fare la pal:' 15 cents of It goes to tho stockholders, 20 cents to the bondholders, and 65 oeutd t wards pay ing tho cost of operating tho road, being chiefly distributed among work ing men. This Is a genera, oomputa-i tton wbloh does not apply to ovary road, but is the average lor aii th* roads in the country, If Irishmen lathe British army would lay down their arms and leave England without au army, that aof. would be cal'.tfd ar: I;lsh rebellion, Mr Powderly thinks there wii! nev er be another extensive rai road strlka In this country, If the present strike is to ,'Kst another will uot bo t ecossary. The race horse is a noble uci.nal, aud cheating ol employes in the matter of it la a pity that he should be used sola- hospital taxation, homestead and stores iy fur gambling pt.rposas, belonging to superintendents and fore-1 men. Such statements were rldica- Tire average o ongressiocT statssat m .ous, and ho felt positive there wets no in looking for s taxid policy thsl wild instances of tbe kind, He was it qulred return him tc congress.