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COXSTI V'V3TO.V A VAfeX. | rUINTKD AND PUBLISHED BV WILLIAM J- BUNCH. * www iM-J ***-- •-* Coiiiiitions, ore. a fr-T For lh« CITV PM’I'.K, twi«* a *«k. J'iro Dollar. per aonunn p.yoble in adaanca. PAPKE, •*«» » w "" k - Tllr8 » Dollar! par Ij a jiK"nunued till Emotion, to that etfeet ar, given I and >ll »rreara|!".« PAID. a 1, pn xs.. . Kiva Dollar, per annum payahl' in aJranre. .VT. ~M iriiTIfIKMKVTS Will ha Iniavied at the rated' . , t,',‘an) a "if reAMt per iq-taro, >.„■ the fir.t imerlion I tV-irlv three i.ilni'o piurier r.e ,ti, lor aaob eonlinuaoce . .„il cotMl' \l>' A TIOM d he mntt h Pittl-pa J. I y~~T . , , i,„,i and ■ecroc', [,j Admiol.tratori, F.aeciilora S (}„»r,liaiia. ai- re I IT.J, ,J , In be held nil till lint Tuen , w in.) m nth, h, tar me imure of ton ill thn foranonn and tlieafl'irnye ~t, t „( 0,,. nurl-Hnniu of the oou ly m r w i,;,h ill- I-' >■ ' i*eituale. —Nolice of theie inlei muilbe a in a pi.ut’ic gaaalta 81 X Hf dajreprovioue to the Jay of _ •ala- ... 1 N,t ice of the ,ale of personal property mn.tba given in like man |. to sell I I, id'isl e nihluh...! lor MD, "’ " I ——■— ~ c iiV‘,\U“ VV\A VV.l\V’d «\Vt‘ lUUWSy l Os the Campaign of t'<e Worth. IVestern '> Army, in <hr. year HIS. Addressed to the people 0/ the States. t llavinm \,i the former numbers explained c the motive* which rendered it expedient, # t.. crow the D-tnit river, ami take a p«- , gition with the principal part ot the foit.es (| on the opposite bulk. I "hall now endeavor h to satisfy you of th propriety ol the delay c in this situation, anti ofter the reasons why t an attack .... the British t »rt a. Malden was t not made. In the same letter, from the Secret ary of War, which authorized me to f com nence offendve operations, an a'teinp. , to take possession of the British * or * ( Malden, was left to my discretion. K.t ter was received the 9th of July, in the , eveniiif. On the same evening this letter , was received, I wrote to the Secretary, in answer to it. in these words Ihe Bri tish command the wa'er and the savages.- ( 1 do not think the force here, equal to the ; reduction of Amhertsbnrg. You therefore, , must not b>* too sanguine.’ ... I As the Secretary’s U tier only authorized me to in ike the attack on the British tori at Malden, provided, 1 considered my lorce , adequate to the enterprize, an.l consistent , with the safely of my other posls ; and as ( in inv answer, I gave it as my opinion that ruv force was not equal to the enterprise, ( i(i(! jrave my reason* lor the opinion, (viz) that the enemy commanded the water ami the savages. I could not have believed it possible,"after the govern neut had confided this measure to my discretion, and had lul- Iv approved of my conduct, that it could have tv-on made a charge <d capital oltence against me. But so it was. ami I there fme, must ask the indulgence ot year pati ence, in stating the reasons, which govern ed inv conduct Alter having received these discretiona ry orders, mid after having given this an swer and opinion, if I had made the attempt, ami it hail been unsuccessful, what would the officers of the administration have salt! r They would have said, and will, propriety, that I was only authorized to adopt this measure, provided my force was competent to it; that I had communicated to them my 1 onitil ni that it was not competent to it, and therefore it had been attempted, contrary ' to the spirit of the orders 1 had received, 1 and would then have been a sufficient ' ground for an article of charge. In ex- ' plaining the reasons of my conduct on tlusi occasion, nothing shall be disguised, notli-i imr shall be kept back, nothing shall be said, but what is founded in truth, whethei it 0 I perates for or against me. Under these no I pressions, I wish you to understand, that tin I the 9(li of July, when 1 wrote to the Sec | retary of War, and informed him that my ’ force was not equal to the reduction ol M ilden, it was uncertain, what part tliem-. ; habitants of Upper Canada would take in - the war. They were subjects ot the Bri tish nation, and liable to the orders ol its:* government. Unless in some way they I coultl be prevented troui taking a part 111 . the war, thev alone were sufficient to over- * whelm the whole of my army. They were | militia, composed ol the same materials, a* the principal part of my army anti more than five times its number. M itb respect j to the savages, many ot them at that tune bad joined the British standard, anti no cei - I tain calculations could be made, that I 1 should be able to induce them to return and remain quiet at their villages. It was well known that a great portion of the inhabi tants of the Province, felt no very strong attachment to the government under winch they lived. Many of them, as I have be-, fore observed, were born and educated in tne United States, liid enjoyed the bless-| in«s of .1 free government, ami were united to*us by ties of friendship and of blood. V cy remembered the time the Cn.ieti States, were provinces ot Gieat Britain, the history of our revolution, and were nut ignorant ot the blessing we enjoy , cl as an independent nation. I could not but indulge the expectation, that Iron, then situation and feelings, they would not have been disposed to have j uned in the w.u a giinst us. For some time every appearance justified this expectation. Luge numbers, who had been called into Malden fonts de fence, came to our camp, and received th protection of our government. Numbei.- came from every pari ol the province, am gave assurances ot their friendship, an , their deienninat’oti, not to take arms a gainst us. U ider these circumstances, I considered delay favourable to my opeia lione, as the force of the enemy was everv day diminished. Strong detachments weu made to the river Trench, to collect provi sions, and to Malden, to reconnoitre the si 1 nation of the enemy. All the artificers ol the army were employed in making carri ages for t wenty-four pounders, for the at lack nn the fort at Malden, and Boating batteries were commenced to transport them down the river, if possible, to operate against the enemy’s naval force. These preparations for an attack on the fort at Malden, were made under the ex pectation, or at least the hope, that the de section of the militia would continue, and other events would take place, which would render that measure expedient. During this delay, a clamour was excited in the camp, by the officers of the militia, because the army was not immediately marched to the attack of Malden. Incon sequence of this impatience, two days after the invasion of the enemy’s territory, I call ed a council of war, and proposed the ques tion, whether it were expedient to attempt, with the bayonet, to storm the fort at Mal den, The council determined that no at tempt ought to be made on Malden, until the heavy artillery was prepared. Although, from the time of the first coun cil, to the sth of August, many circum stances had taken place, which will hereaf ter be related, to render an attack on Mai (I*m» still more inexpedient, and the heavy artillery had not been completed, yet on ac count of the great impatience of the offi cers, I called another council of war, on the s tli of August. In this council, I stated that the heavy artillery was not in readiness, but would be in two or three days. The question was then submitted to the council, whether it were expedient to wait for the heavy artil lery, in order to make a breach in the works, or immediately to make the attempt with the bayonet alone ? Before the question was taken, I observ ed to them, that if it should be their opin ion that it wu expedient to make the at tack immediately, and they would answer for their men, I would lead them to the en terprize. Col, Miller, (who commanded the regulars,) answered, he would be an swerable for the men he commanded. Co lonels M’Arthur, Cass, and Finley, (who commanded the militia,) said they would not lie answerable, but hoped they would behave well. The council then determin ed that it was expedient to wait two days longer for the heavy artillery. Thus it appears, that not withstanding the impatience and desire which was manifest ed to attack the fort with the bayonet, yet when it came to the test, and I declared to them that I would lead them, if in their 0- pmi m in council, they thought it expedi ent, their impatience and desire subsided, and they thought it beat to be aided in the enterprize by the heavy artillery. These facts are proved by the testimony ol Col. Miller, and others, aiula more particular detail, will be found in my defence belore the court martial. MISCELLANEOUS. Extracts from Eiigli-h Publications. How-street. —Mr. Jeremiah Wilier wa* charged with assaulting the person, and cut ting the throat, and breaking lie best black chip bonnet of Mrs. Mary Junes the sprightly spouse of Mr. Griffith Jones, Cambrian pur vey or of sky-blue to a very large proportion of the worthy tea drinkers of St. Clement Danes. Mr. Jeremiah Miller is a gteen Is hntder, who, after many vicisitude-, has -et tled down as a green-grocer, and picks up a pretty living bv the dispensation of praturs parsnips, and pot-herbs, from Ids own rented place in that lane of slop-slush and log, .vhich leadeth from St. Clement’s church yard to the mutton manufactories in Clare inarkct. He is a great contemner ot soap and water, and has a mortal antipathy to ra zors ; but he is a man of a merry tempera ment withal ; and it was this merry tempe rament that brought him into his present predicament with Mrs. Jones. “ And plase you Worship,” said Mrs. Junes, "as I was standing on a step opposite Jerry Miller’s shop last night, he and his second wife, and Ins first wife’s daughter, and two or three others of’em, sallied out at me, and basted j me shameful, and dragged me about by the hair of my head, and cut my throat with a piece of hr iken glass, and ranted my best bla k chip burnet all to tatters!” Ibis was an awful charge ; hiii awlul us it was] Mrs. Jones could not deliver it without laughing. "Here, your Worship;” she continued, holding the fattened bonnet upon one h ind, and a quintily of hair in the otli er—“ here your Worship, Here’s my bonnet and here’- iC' hair pulled oifmv h -ad, and here’s my throat cut, as you see l” Ueie she pointed to a scar on her fair neck, and , still she smiled and tiller- d, and seemed to have much ado to help laughing outright.— ilis Wo'ship complimented her on the good hum air with which she b ire so many inju ries, and asked her wlut provocation so sweet-tempered a person could possibly have ■ given. " Wnv, sir, I only I aligned at .1 song Jerry Miller was singing,” replied the merry Mrs. Jones. " I Heard him singing in his little bit ol a simp, and 1 could no: nelp I,tug ling—it was s > very funny !” and 1 neu she laugiied again at the recollection »t it. Ilis W or-hip expressed so ne ,ni io.a -Itv to know tv ha 1 s uig it was that could siill •xcite Iv r mirth, in spite of so nuicn 111 treatment ; and with some pressing she said it was s mi.-thing .ib mi •• Oh ihere »v.i» u bar.ier, *ho«e uam** it w rs J’.it, Aa«i lw hirn •Mine lne nit - . * vn- , ,r«*.isv -ml fat. fcu» # .n g , u.rt, lentdit Uin, ?9.U0 it was admitted on all hands, that such a ■song, well sung, must be irresistible, especi 'llv in that particular neighbourhood, the nagistrate a-kt*d Mr. Miller, what he had to say for himself. “ Laws bless your life and soul,sir!” replied Mr. Miller—“ there isn’t a mnnny-xyllihle of truth in it from beginning to end! It’s all spite jillisy agen me, be cause she’s got imoa holly alliance with (he green grocer’s shop over agonal mine.’ ‘And what are your praturs a pound, Jerry Millet?’ said she. ‘ Don’t be axing the price, when yej don’t want the praturs, Mrs. Jones.’ says I,( and with that she stoops down and grabbles up a double hantle of slush—‘What is slush ?': said his worship. ‘ Wet hay and sludge 1 ’ replied Mr. Miller, ‘ and she grapples up a double hantle of slush, and slaps it right at i me I’—‘That w.is very wrong,’ said his wor ship. ‘Sure it was,’ rejoined Mr. Miller and with that my people went out at her. and 1 there was a bit of a sfcrimmnge, hut I never! laid my own list upon her at all; if I did, there is’nt a pratur in Common-garden this i day.’ Mrs. Jones, in reply declared that there was not a monosyllable of in Mr. Miller’s statement, and she callen a disin terested witness, who swore (hat he saw’ Mr.l Miller and his wife take Mis. Jones up in their arms and shove her head right bang through a pane of glass in a shop window — battering-ram fashion; and that was the way her throat wio cut. This witness al Iso corroborated all the other material points in merry Mrs. Jones’s story, and Mr. Jeny Miller was ordered to find bi 1, whereupon he withdrew exclaiming.—“ Oh, law*! Oh, laws! there’s neither law nor justice lo be had in this wicked world ! ’ One day later from Liverpool. ; i I Ch\RLF.si on, April -21. | Bt the ship Sarah Sf Caroline, Prince, l we have commenial aerouips one day laterl (totlie Ysth March inclus >e.) than weie r-| reived by the Ne-v England, at New Yoik. The papers are no 1 ter than thus by he latter vessel. The flowing will show th ■ state of the M arkets at Liverpool, and on the Continent: Extracts of Letters. Livkrp >ol, March 15. “ I addressed you on ihe Bdi, informing you of the very extensive enqui v we had experienced in our Colton Mark t. That demand continued unabated unti. the ! < th I inst. when the sales for die preceding thr e days amounted to upwards of fifteen thou-.- and Bags. Since that period it lias so ma 1 tei iallv decreased, the sales of the past five ■ days not being 2500 bags, that my quotation., in the present state of the market must be ■ considered altogether nominal, although! they are fully I pr. lb. below the rates ob ! (ained on the KJth. The import lias been for the vyeek fourteen thousand four hundred bags, of which ten tho isund hags are E yp f jail. In Rice there is little or nothing doing."’ “ Since writing you yesterday, per this ■ conveyance, fiOUb bags of Egyptian Cotfdn r have been sold to one speculator, at 13 311 a 13 i per lb. and l-kl. is now ask *d. Tin, 1 makes the sales far the last three days a (bout 16,000 biles, ala full advance of j 1 ■ per lb. on our prices of 12tli instant. We are without arrivals ; should we con • tinue so for any length of time, and the wind ( is now strong against them, no doubt prices will go still higher.” “ Operations have not been followed up by very extensive sales this day, but they ( seem to have given additional confidence to holders.” There is a good demand to day at rather better prices. Uplands It £ a 14i. Or < leans 12 a 15 |. ““““ Some Rice was brought to public sale , Iyesterday, and sold at 18d 9d a 20s per ( jewt. being a decline of fully Is from pre vious rates. Melancholy I,os:i of Ihe Kent. —We yes trrd.iv mentioned under our foreign news. 1 the loss of the East-India ship Kent.. The . English papers received la-4 evening con ! tain the particulars which we have not room for thh morning. Ttie Kent was bound to i Bengal and China, and took fire from the j bursting of a cask of spirits in the hold, in , lat. 47 30, and lon. 9 4.5. Shortly after the j accident, the brig Cambrian, from London, ( bound to M -xu 0, bore clown to her. The , Kent had on board 637 souls. The Carnbri- I an succeed d in saving 301 officers, non-j commissioned do. and privates o r the Slstj' , regiment, 46 women and 48 children, 19j ( ;n ile and female passengers and the captain) ' .f the Ke ; and 159 of her crew, in all 554. i Th*seamen of die Cambrian refused to go ; -o the K i* again to save the others, fearful ' she. would blow up. 54 soldiers, one »n --, .nan, 21 chil Iren, and 4 of the Kent’s crew 1 were on b card the vessel when she blew up, four hours,after the C. left her. Os the 90 on board when she blew up, 14 soldiers were pi ked up by the Caroline, and carried to ; Liverpool. The. captain of the Caroline j ! reached the wreck two hours as ec the explo sion and the 14 soldiers were found clinging to pieces ol masts. &c. [ Xew-York Daily . iduerlismr . ac——e——»jn——fpiiih— CONSTITUTIONALIST. ________ i•- - . - TUESDAY APRIL 26, 1825. » ' ' ——————— The fine Steam Boat Henry Shultz, was 1 destroyed by fire at the City-Wharf, on the evening of the 23d inst. A crowd of inhab itants summoned by the alarm bell, had ar rived at the spot in time to arrest the flames, but Capt. Lubbock, with a humanity which does him great honor, informed them that there was a quantity of gunpowder on board, and all exertion immediately relaxed Lit tle more could be done than to await the explosion, which soon happened, throwing high into the air splinters, sails, rigging and I merchandise, and covering the face of the | river with valuable goods and fragments of the wreck. The shock was sensibly felt in the city, but the injury threatened was not as great as it must have proved to the I wharf and the by-standers, if the whole quantity of powder had exploded at once- — It is believed that the fire communicated with only a few casks; the water, which had b >en let in at an early moment, cover ing the remainder. Capt. Lubbocji refused to leave his vessel to the last, and experien ced a severe, but we hope not a serious in jury when she blew up. The Mate, Mr. Black was much bruised ; one person had his arm broken, and another received a blow from a piece of thick glass which threw him on the ground. We sincerely regret this destruction of one of the most elegant boats on this or perhaps any other river.— I The loss is said to amount to upwards of jg 100,000. file sympathy of the communi |ty has been much excited by the accident, ami the more so on account of the kind and jgentleimml ■ deportment of Capt. Lubbock to all t lose, who have had the fortune to be passengers under his care. —COb — Kurus Kino has been appointed by the President Envoy extraordinary and minister Plenipotentiary to Great Britain. Whether tills appointment will be acceptable to (lie Senate we cannot pretend to say, but one tiling is certain, if the people had beer called on to make the selection, he would not have, been the choice. The northern Republicans must have rejected him or, ac count of his old principles, to which he has been ever as c insistently attached, as has ■ General Lafayette to the cause of liberty. The Southern people without distinction of paity, would have declared to recognise, as itlie Representatives of the Republick at a foreign Court, the politician who stood fore most m opposition (o the admission of Mis souri, and whose last act in the Senate of the United States was in support of the princi ples of a controversy which involved the lives and property of the western and south ern country. We cannot believe, as well disposed as are all moderate men to support the administration without narrowness of views or feelings, that tiiis step of the Pre sident will meet the approbation of even a majority of his constituents. If it was ne cessary to give the appointment to the great state of New-York—she has many sons of equal talents with Mr. King, with any one of whom the people would have been better satisfied. It is not intended to deny to Mr. King experience, eloquence and a merit of no ordinary capacity—but if we have correctly learned, he did not greatly distinguish him self when he was formerly Minister at Lon don. Indeed, he gave great offence by denying to oppressed Irishmen an Asylum in this country. But we will not prejudge the whole course of the administration from a single appointment to a foreign embassy. Recovering from the shock which its an nunciation must of course give to them, tire republicans will meet, with as much calm ness as possible, to see “ what will be shewn to them next.” — qo® — The feast ol pant ion and the flow of gaU ! General Jackson on his way home partook of a dinner at Cincinnati, Ohio, where he was must cordially greeted ; and Mr. Kke mer after his return to Lew isburgh, Puin. dined with his Constituents, who it seems, wished to manifest their respect for “his firm, dignified and patriotic conduct.” Poor Mr. Clay was severely handled at these feasts, where it required all the pungency of good wine to correct the bitter savour of the Toasts. We give one or two byway of sample: By Oibion, Jr.—All f/nntsl Stntesmmi, wliohcar their •‘consciences'’ in their bosoms, not in their pockets. By Sainjiel K Miller.—The next Speaker of the Reuse of Re j presepiHliveiof the United Slate*. We trust he will bare a good 1 conscience. By M. Dawson—May our sentiments this eremng make here aypdrent, that no Heir Apparent, ffhail ever again succeed to the Presidential Chair. B/ S. Burrows—The western soil, the best in America May jsinjied be kept 1* feci belew the stuiVee. ; 0 * Gee. Audi** Jasksta, the lecoad lariour of his country: Free from the puliation of mlempered Clay, *• the Military Chitfttin." whom the people "delight to honour. 1 ' John Q,uincy Adams, the Usurper—Elevated to the office of & chief magistrate, by Clay, saturated with corruption. Henry Clay, the Geueralisimo of the late intriguing faction —Curs’d be the wretch who sold his vote and influence for the =. paltry consideration of being appointed Secretary of State. By Jonathan Smith. The intrepid Kremer—Like David of Old, he slew the modern Goliah, the giant of intrigue, made of - Clay, daubed with corruption. By John Brown. The corruptionists in Congress—may they ’* meet with the same fate hereafter, as did Henry Clay in hit late p attempt to disgrace the Pennsylvania fanner. By Thomas tt. Lewis, Henry Clay who smuggled J. Q,. . Adams into the presidential chair, ns the Serpent did original sin into Paradise—May the flaming sword of the people thrust them >. both out in the year 1829. ■ ’ The indefatigable author of “ Hamilton,” has commenced his eighth senes in the Na * tional Intelligencer, with a long Essay upon ’ the Cotton Trade. He places the following ' sombre prospect before the sanguine Specfa e tor Lr " The present extraordinary prices offer such strong incentives i to an increase of cultivation as mint have powerful operation. 1 It is not improbable, therefore, that our next crop will be 30, 40, or 60 per cent, greater than the last—and llftl the increase will 6 he equal elsewhere. From Egypt the importation into Great , Britain and France will probably be doubled. Should these t virwsbe realised, great reductions of price may be expected, and must take place at the c'osc of the year, which will probably t produce such fatal consequences as occured in 1819. when t* enormous, importations of Fast India Cotton reduced the prices - S to 60 per cent, in the course of twopr three months" e W e have not heretofore had much fait, e in Mr. Carey’s views, but in this intranet - we hope rather than believe that his protiA ] bililies may be far wide of the futim esui' l! The National Intelligencer of th 1. ~ I contains the following letter:— Messrs. Gales and Seaton : Gentlemen : In the Speech of M < ’ sylh, on the bill for the Supression < * cy, published in the Intelligencer 1 day, some remarks are made in refer 9 J“ an anecdote” contained in my 1 v |the 14th July, 1824, to the Secretary u* State, which, being founded on misappre -1 hension require to be corrected. The a ’ vowed object of Mr. Forsyth is to do jug - tice to the character of Governor Vives, f which he seems to think has been thereby “ injuriously attacked.” Whatever injury may result to the character of Governor ’ Vives, from the case reported in my letter, * must be, charged, not to me, but to those k who have ascribed to him an act which e was not designed by me to be imputed to him, but to one of his predecessors in office. In my letter, it is stated to be “ a fact which I have received from a gentleman of s unquestionable veracity,” and”to have oc r cur red “ about the period of the greatest r activity amongst the pirates,” referring to an epoch anterior to the accession of Gener e al Vives to the government of Cuba. p It is scarcely necessary for me, in re n porting the official act of a Spanish Gover j nor, dictated by considerations of political ti necessity, to disclaim all intention ofim-. penciling the honor of the officer concerned, ’ whomsoever he might be. Mr. Forsyth - himself, in his speech, while doubting the s, fact which had been communicated to me, has furnished not only the strongest evi f - den.ee of its probability, but also the jol lification for it, in the following : s ® ■Say what jriu will, lit* Governor of Culm has, in (ho facsot p, .1, ■ world, ft jnstifi -liiion Ins condui I. He is placed in a .no t IHi. n'e and danjjnroui lituniion. He feels all its dangers and • all its delicacy/^ He rememhers Ihal he is commanding The rich ■si portion of all the Spanish dominions, and ono that hone's to - Spain by a single thread. He ever consult, first the interest of -ipain. He must preserve the popularity of the Spanish" ttovern p ment in the island.” When Mr. Forsyth’s speech was first published in the National Journal, I called upon him and pointed out to him the mis - Hike into which he had fallen, and request' led him to correct it, in the report of hi* i speech for the Intelligencer. This he readi ply promised to do. He was at the same dine informed that I had unquestionable ‘ authority for the fact reported by me, which i 1 offered to exhibit to him, but which, for - obvious reasons, it would have been unjust t to publish to the world. The omisssion of P Mr. Forsyth to notice the subject further, _ has impelled me very reluctantly to make “ the present explanation. Yours, respectfully, THOS. RANDALL. , JJpril 12/A, t 824. On this letter I have t.p remark that Mr. ' Randall did not understand me accurate ■ly I made no promise in the report of my r speech, for the National Intelligencer to , correct the mistake which had been com mitted. I never intended and never did report the speech for the Intelligencer. 1 Mr. R. wished me to correct a mistatement . of the National Journal ; this I declined, I readily admitted on his explaining the . meaning of his own letter, that there was a mistake in connecting Gen. Vives with (he ’ Regia anecdote, and suggested that the best “ mode of correcting it, was, to have a note added to the report of (he discussion if it should be published in the National Intelli gencer. Had I furnished the speech for ; publication or examined the sketch of it , prior to publication, I should certainly have added a note lor that purpose. Having had no agency in the publication of one version ■ of my speech in the National Journal, or of , die other in the National Intelligencer, I , do not hold myself responsible for the er rors of either. The appearance of thedii b cussi ui at this late hour was to me altoge “ ther unexpected, and could i be considered " answerable by the public for the share I an ■ pear to have taken in it, would be a matter r of great regret. In the particular part of tl.e debate to which Mr. R. alludes, I am not less unjustly treated titan he is. It would seem that without reasonable motive , I had seized upon this Regia anecdote us a calumny upon Gen. Vives, and entered in, ; to a tunnal defence of his character from 1 the assault of Mr. Randal!. Tne fact was* that on the authority of this anecdote ape-