The constitutionalist. (Augusta, Ga.) 1823-1832, August 02, 1825, Image 2
Official Vapera. !
Correspondence between Gov. Troup and Gen. ,
Guinea. \
HEAD QUARTERS, i
W % Eastern Department, ? (
Georgia, June 13 ih, 1825 5 '
Sir: I have the honor to acknowledge the re I
ceipt of tile correspondence referred to by your a
Excellency, in communication of this r
morning, representing the indications of hostility l
recently manifested by the Indians, on the West (
ern iromier of this State, numbered Ito 4 inclu (.
sively; together with your instructions to Cap- s
tain Harrison of the 10;b of the present month.
Dittos paper, which I return herewith, I have f
to request the favor of a copy, with such in- l
formation as that officer shall communicate, touch- ,
ing the execution of the important duly assigned ;
to him. v
W, h the greatest respect, 1 have the honor to e
be, your Excellency’s obi. aervt. b
EDMUND P. GAINES. i
Maj Gen. Comd'g, t
His Excellency Governor Tiioup, o
t
Executive Department, } '■
JMi/ledge .tile, Vith June, 1825.) i
Sin: As you wished, the copy of my inslruc- I,
tions t > Uapt. 4arri-on is enclosed atid any in v
formation received from that officer will be com- t
municited with ut delay. «
Wah great consideration and respect. v
G. M. TROUP. i
Maj. Gen. Gaines, .Milled#-ville. (
v
Executive Department, ? r
MUledgeville, lath June 1825. j j
Sir : In the course of the desultory and in y
formal communication with you of to-day, my de- i
•ire was iotioia cd that the line between thin t
Stale and Ahba oa should be run as early as pos- t
sible, and 1 requ'stod the favor of you to make t
kn iwnto your G -vei'nmeni ibis desire and without I
delay. A letter will be Im nediately despatched to i
th : (1 >v ;r tor of Alabama to apprise him of the i
res dnliou >f the government of Georgia to run i
that line and to ask his concert and co-operatkin
li th it concert and comperauon be refused we
wi.l proceed to run the line without them, as we
wrl also proceed in due time to make the survey
of the lands within our limits, disregarding any
obstacles which may be opposed from any quir
ter. You will sec therefore how highly impor
taut it is that upon these points the two Govern
ments should und -rsland each other immediately.
With great respect and consideration.
G. M. TROUP,
Maj. Gen. Gaines, MUledgeville.
HEAD QU VII TER3,
Eastern Department,?
MUledgeville, Geo. June 14, 1825. 5
Brn : In reply to your Excellency’s letter of
yesterdays date, I h ive to observe that, although
it is not my purpose to enter into the discussion
of any matter of controversy between the gov
eminent of Georgia and that of the U. St a es not
immediately connected with duties confided to
me ; yet. perceiving as Ido upon this occasion,
a direct collision between the views of your Ex
cellency, &. dime embraced in my instructions from
the Depar mei.t ol War, a collision that may tend
so produce much embarrassment in our Indian re
lations, and winch the interests of the General
and State Governments eq tally require should b>
obviated ; 1 deem it proper to address you upon
the subject, in a manner less liable to mlsappre
h-nsion or misconstruction, than wba< 1 have sta
t'd verbally, in the interviews with which you
have, favored me.
Your letter, which I shall without delay refer
to the Department of War, announces your in
tention to cause the line to be run between this
Slate and Alabama, and to survey the public lam)
of the State within the late ceded territory. Up
on tins last mentioned subject, 1 am distinctly au
tborised to stale to the India ,s that, the Presi
dent of the U-iited States has “ suggested to
G ivemor Troup the necessity of his abstaining
from his entering into and surveying the ceded
land, till the time prescribed by the treaty for
their removal.”
There is perhaps no principle of national law
better established or more universally admitted,
than that the contracting parties to a treaty rms
«es< the right, and in a case like the nne in q ies
lion, tii : exclusive right, of expounding and car
rying into effect such trealy. The decision of
the President in this case must govern me in my
intended conference with the Indians ; and this
conference must necessarily take place before
the subject can be submitted to the President:
nor is it probable that if it weie again submitted,
that it wmnd undergo any change.
I cannot but express a confident hope that
your Excellency may see the propriety of ab
staining from the proposed surveys, both of the
boundary line, and of the land within the late
ceded territory, until the period arrives, at which
the removal of th ■ Indians is required.
In the expression of this hope lam actuated
by no other feeling than that of au earnest de
sire to dev He my best effort towards an amica
ble adjustment of the existing differences with
the Indians upon j.ist principles, regarding the
interests of the Slate as hi all respects the same
us ihe. interests of the Union, nr General Govern
int’nfthey are in fact the same, as different
parts of one great animated body, through which
the vital principle of life must circulate with
equal freedom, affording equal health and equal
vigor to each as ess mti il to the preservation and
efficiency of the whole body.
With great respect and regard, 1 have the hon
or to be.
EDMUND P. GAINES,
Maj. Gen. ComiTg.
His Excellency G M. Timer.
Exkcctian Department, ?
.MUledgeville 1 t'/i June, 1825, S
Dear Sir • It may be important to you to know
before you communicate with vour Government
and proceed to meet the Indians in noiivention,
that die laws ol Georg a are already extended
over the ceded counlrv, and of course that it is
my bounded duty to execute them there. The
statutory provisions on this subject will be found
in *he paper, of tlie morning, and in the act en
titled an act to “ to dispose of and distribute the
lands lately acquired, Sic.”
With great consideration and regard, 1 am, ve
ry sincerely, yours,
G. M. TROUP,
Maj. Gan Gunks,
Commanding, Lie. Lie.
Executive Department, 5
MUledgeville, lii/i June, 1825. 5
Sir -. 1 have this moment bad the honor to re
ceieve your common cation of Ihe 14tb inst, on
the subject of the survey of the ceded country
and the running of the dividing line between Ala
bama and Georgia, and in which you request
that in conformity with the expressed will ol
your g ivernin ■nt, both the survey and the run
idng of the line may be forborne “ until the
period arrives at which the removal of the In
dians is required.”
It would give me great pleasure to be able to
comply with any request made by yourself or
your government. You would make none that
'l'd not, to yaur own apprehensions, seem reason
able and proper. As, however, there exist two
independent parties to the question, each is per
muted to decide for itself—and with all due de
ference to yours, I must be permitted to say, that
ma apprehension of the right and of the wrong
leads me to the opposite conclusion—the conclu
Sion to which the Legislature of Georgia, upon
mature reflection, recently arrived, Ty an alums',
unanimous voice, and which was made the (oun
diition of my late communication to the Secretary
of War, nnd my more recent one to you upon the
same subject.
I woul t deeply lament if any act proceeding
Irum myself, should cause the least embarrassment
lo yourself or to your government, especially con
idering the critical relations in which the United
Slates stand to the Indians, and the great intere-l
which the government of Georgia teels in their
early and sati-factory adju- ment; but it caunni
be expected by your government, that important
interests are to be surrendered, and riglus deem
ed unquestionable, abandoned by Georgia, because
of any embarrassments which may arise in the in
tercourse and negotiations between the United
Slates and Indiana. I set ton just a value on youi
mgti character to believe that you would willing,
ly create them, 1a n equally persuaded that none
will be suffered to exi-t which can with propne
ty be removed, and I know you will pardon me
when I .ake the liberty of saying that those to
which you refer ought not to exist for a single
moment. Upon every principle and practice of
diplomacy, the particular instruction of your go
vernment which has given rise to these embarrass
ments, ought at this moment to be taken and hei
as no instruction ut all—for it is now known t
you that what purports to be an instruction, wi
given upon information which was believed lo b.
true, but which has turned out to be lalse, and
the presumption is irresistible, that the slate of
things being changed, your government, so far
Irom desiring to press the execution, would gladly
withdraw the instruction, and that without incur
ring any, the least responsibility, you are at per
fect liberty to consider it withdrawn. It is not
or me to instruct, but to derive instruction from
you, in every thing connected with the military
ift, and you know as well as I, tltat no p.mcipu
is better settled than the one which just fies dim*
h dience to positive orders under a change of
ircumstances. I say lint the instruction had i s
origin singly in a falsehood imposed upon your
government by its own Agent, and that but lor
that lals'-hood, the instruction would not have been
given. V>u have the proof of it in cornmnn sense,
and in the (locum .nts and evidence connected
with the lute dis urb.mces—lf you want mon
proof look info the gazettes ot yeater lay, where
you will find a Council of Hostile Indians, assem
bled by tue Agen', proclaiming by acclamation h
i mocence of toe death of Mcl mah, because that
death followed not irom the survey, but the law
of tlie Nation. Vour government is i nformed by
the Agent, that the hostile Indians are in ar. ai
against us, because the goverement of Ge irgi.
interfered to procure the consent to the survey.—
I he same Indiana testify to the falsehood i t the
declaration, mid the dilemma is, that if the ,\g.; u
assumes for granted what is false—is-ues, in coi.
sequence thereof, a peremptory order lo this g -
vernment to forbear an act which it feels it is ns
right and duty and interest to perform. The fal
sity is made known to the officer instiucted to
carry that order into effect The officer teels it
to be his duiy to proceed in the execunon of the
order notwithatandi >g the change oi cncu nsta ■-
oes wlncb produced it. On he part o die go
vernment of Georgia, the will of its highest con
stituted authority has been declared upon die
most solemn deliberation, that the line shad o<;
run, and the survey executed. It is tor y o
i therefore to bring it lo the issue—lt is for me
I only to repeat, that cost what it will the line wdi
be run and the survey effected. The government
of Georgia will not retire from the position it oc
• copies to gratify the Agent or the hostile Indians ■,
1 nor will it do so I trust because it knows that i
consequence of disobedience to an unlawuji man
late, it may be very soon recorded that “ Georg:
' was.”
Suffer me lo say also, 'hat your government ha
acted very precipitately and unadvisedly in tin
iffatr. After rec iving the notice of my intention
o make the survey, it interposed no objectio
ho’ it bad time to do so. A considerable interval
elapsed, and it receives false information from the
Agent, upon wh cli it issues its peremptory order,
boon after it receives further false informal! m
from the same Agent, upon which it issues othei
orders confirmatory of the first, and which yon
seem to consider final.
Hut for my direct and active interference, hos
tilities would have immediately followed the death
of Mclntush, and of a character so inveterate as
to put at defiance any interference whatever,
even on your part. Y iur power, not your influ
ence, might have been available to he sure, but
vour power was not here; and for preserving
this peace, you know what a respectful teslimo.ii
al I have of the thanks of your govern.men.,
couched in most delicate and coraplinaentory
terms.
The suggestion you make in deroga'ion of on:
claim to participate in th construction or execu
tion of the treaty, giving to that suggestion its
utmost force, is merely T.iat we are not nominally
parties to the treaty ; whilst the answer to it is,
■ bat we are a party in interest deeper tenfold
than they who appear upon thn paper, and that
the paper, in virtue of another paper to which
we were parties both nominally and in interest,
passed a vested right of soil and of Jurisdicti m
to Georg a, which none but the Great Jehovah
can divest.
You will be pleased to understand that there is
• no inclination here to tug- hastily, either the ;.ur
vey or the running of tfie line, so as to interfere
in the least with the measures to be taken to pa
city and tranquilize the Indians. On the contra y
all the facilities we can give for this object wii
1 be readily ass irdecl,- but is believed that in re i
t snnabie time this happy result can, with wise and
. prudent measures, of which your Special Agent
I was advised yesterday, be easily accomplished .
s but never to be accomplished, if the condition o
- that accomplishment be the abandonment of th,
I survey and running of the line.
What in our verbal conferences had been prnm
tt ised, is now repealed, that the miliary requisi
tions which in compliance with your instruction
- you may think proper to make u ion the Govern.ji
of Georgia, will be promptly attended to, and the
force placed under your command with the least
possible delay. The implicit reliance in youi
‘nigh sentiments ol honor, is my sufficient secuntv
that that force, if it could, will in no event be em
ployed against us.
With great respect and consideration,
: G. M TROOP,
n Maj. Gen. Gaines, Comd’g. &c.
>•
i HEAD QU \R ERS.
>' Eastern Dkpahtmknt, ?
'f MUledgeville. Geo June 16(A 1825. j
'■ Sir: In acknowledging the receipt ot you.
e Excellency’s letter of yesterday evening, I ba
l- ten to assure you that, in whatever I have sa'd,
verbally or in writing, as lo the prospect of evil
i consequences, or the impolicy of entering uponu
■ the late ceded land, and of the surveys in ques
tion, before the Indians can be required to depart
therefrom, 1 have not permitted myself to be in
-1 fluenced by any statements from Colonel Crowell,
die Agent, (though by no means prepared to c m
• demit that officer without a hearing;) on the con
'rary, my impressions were the result of man)
years of attcntiV-- observation and experience in
official and unofficial intercourse wills the South
ern and Western Indiana, added to a knowledge
of the construction which the treaty bad received
Irom the President of the U. States —These im
pressions led me to the condition that tlie pro
posed surveys, with the consequent influx of while
men, strangers to the Indians during the existence
of feuds among them would not fail to fan the
flame of discord, that has already produced so
much mischief among them. 1 cannot bui regret
the difference of opinion between us upon tins
subject ; and that it should have called forth an)
deling or expression of controversy ia still more
to be regretted.
H iving tin doubt that you will in due time hear
from the proper Depart uent of the General Go
vernuient fully and satisfactorily upon the subject
if your latter, g nerally 1 take this occasion to
tender to you my acknowledgments for the promp-
Unde and frankness with winch you have furnish
"d me with the information you had obtained in
r *spect to the late disturbances on the frontier,
tnd with which you have given me assurance of
vonr readiness to c '-operate with me in the dis
charge of ttie important duties to which my at
tention is called.
Although th re is much reason to hope that (In
spirit of it .stilby among the Indians may be res
rained, and ilia peace may be restored between
toe contending parties ; amt moreover, that the
♦rontiei m,y b- rendered secure without a resort
11 fun Iter bloodshed—yet as the desired objects
m v be faciliuted and more eff etuafy secured by
- ■eparaloiy measures for coercion—l have 'o re
quest (bat your Excellency will be pleased to or
d-r ad ian from the militia or volunteers of Gear
to co imsi of two complete regiments, one of
cavalry, and one of Infantry, to be held ready to
assemble at a m intents warning. Arms, ammuni
tion and sub-ostence will be provided at the A
gency, or at some other suitable point upon the
frontier, where it may become necessary to as
semble tlte forces—ol which due notice will be
previously given
With gre-it reg.rd, and respectful consideration,
1 have the honor to be
EDMUND P. GAINES,
M i j. Gen, Comd’g,
i lis Excellency Gov. Troup.
t '
1 General Gone will take an early occasion to
advise Governor Troup ol the result of the inten
■ ded conferences with tit rnd .ns.
General Gai -es salutes Governor Troup with
esteem and reso. cl.
i Thursday Evening, 15 th June, 1825.
Executive Departmenr, Geo. 5
Milledgeville, Ibth June, 1825. 5
Bra ; In compliance- with )our requisition ol
. t its morning, 1 have issued orders to hold in rea
. mess fw o regiments for your serv ce, and have
i taken m asqres, as 1 promised to furnish as large
a proportion of v dun'eer infantry and cav dry a
. conveni; dly issembled. Captain H rri
t anns troop of cav , n is placed under your orders.
With great consideration,
> . G. M. TItOUP.
i Maj. Gen. Gaines, C oml’g. Uc. Hie.
Executive Department, Geo. }
Mt ledgevtlie, June 18, 1825. 5
Bta : The Commissio ;ers ap -minted under the
. Ait-l»i/rity of the Legislature to examine into tin
•-sines of the recent disturbances in the Greek
Nation, and more particularly into me conduct
-lie Ag tas connected wth hem, will make yon
i acquainted with my insimcions. Hiving, l.ke
; yourself, i)i> other object than the dev -lopement
>f truth, no douV is entertained that they wdl
, receive yo ir confidence, and tltat by concert and
co op -ration such aids and facilities may be at
i ivded as wmll be dcsirab'e to you. They are
particularly charged not to interfere in any deli
Derations -r m-go'lations which the Unit d Slate
miy hold wth -he Indians for other objects, u i
Jess solicited to cl • 90 by yourself,
1-nun wh t has occmred, it is h ghly import
ant that tin-goveri'ment should b ! represeii'e-i
i die Go mcil to be held at Broken Arrow on
. tin 25 h The many inconsistencies in the con
net oi the Indians to be explained and recon
, curd, and their recent convocation by the Agent,
ior Ihe purpose of repelling charges made a
i gainst him by the Governor of this slate, at the
instance of the government of the United Si» es
. make it indispensable for the attainment of tru h
\ and justice that the Commissioners shuu-d tie pro
, sent there. If for this purpose i» should be
thought advisable to take with them some ol Hie
friendly Chiefs, who are deeply int -rested in vin
licating their character against reitera d attack
■ upon it by the hostile party, it is hoped that thi
likewise will meet your concurrence, and tnai
tney will be placed under your safeguard and pro
■ lection,
With great consideration and respect,
G. M. TROUP.
Mij. Gen. Gaines,
) Indian Springs,
, HEAD QUARTERS.
I Eastern Department, 5
t Indian Spring, June 22, 1825. 5
i Sir : 1 have to acknowledge the honor of your
, Excellency’s letter of the 13ih of the present
month, in reference to Commissioners appointed
, under the authority of the Legislature ol the state
of Georgia, to examine into the causes of the re
s cent disturbances in the Creek nation, and more
larticularly into the conduct of the Agent con
? nected with them.
Jn reply 1 have to observe that, however much
I "I’ght be aided by (In; experience, talenta. and
integrity and honor of the Commissioners referrei
in on the part of the state of Georgia. Ido nut
I ' efi l myself authorised without new ins'ructions
1 ! i-oiii the D 'parturient of Wir, 10 comply wi-h th
. demand contained in their letter of yesterdays
da e, “to be admitted to a lull a id free participa
on of the council of the hid ans.”
I he council will be assembled for the purpose
■ f enabling tn ; to discharge importan* du ies c in
fill ‘d to me by the government of the U died
’ ates, and of which your Excellency lias been
i apprised- T. e Indians appea* - disposed to yield
bto the just snd p» r ifi : views of 'be Pres dent. But
-i they are still laboring under some delusion and
i- excitement. This would be increased rather than
i diminished, by adding to the number of indivi .uds
i by whom they are to be addressed; or by ao\
addition or multiplication of the matters of con
troversy to which their attention may be called,
I am fully au horized ami instructed by tht
g ivernmeiu of the United S ates, to protect the
friendly Indians, to mitigate their calimitous con
dition, and in tile event of hu-tititles having ceas
id on the part of the oppoiite parly, to restore
harmony between them. Hostilities have indeed
> ceased, and I have received satisfactory assurance
if an earnest desire on the part of the chiefs o
I. both parties to rema n at peace w ith each other,
il a. well as with the United States. It becomes my
uduty therefore to make peace upon just principles,
■ and consequently to avoid an Indian war. My im
pression of the high responsibility of the trust re
posed in me, suggests clearly the propriety of my
, having the entire control of every individual white
man, all iwed to address the council ; and that I
should moreover have the entire control of every
expression uttered to the council by any citizen
ir officer of the United Slates. Without such
control our councils on both sides might be invol
ved in confusion ; and the benevolent objects ol
the government entrusted to me, might, by my
improper accept ance of the proposed “particip
don.” be defeated. To avert an evil so pregnant
with mischievous consequences to the Creek Na
don, to the peace and honor of my country, and
to my own reputation, I ntnst decline the demand
of the Georgia Commissioners.
Should 1 be instructed by the proper authority,
to recognise the proposed co-operation of tin
Georgia Commissoners, 1 shall take great pleasu -
in serving with them. My whole doty as u public
officer s comprised in one single word, winch
suggests the propriety of the course pursued bv
me upon this occasion—and that word is obedience ,•
ibedience to the laws, and to Hie orders of th--
authorities placed over me.
1 renew to your Excellency assurances of my
respectful consideration.
EDMUND PENDLETON GAINES,
Moj. Gen. U, S. A. Comd’g.
To his Ex’y George M. I n -up
Governor of Georgia,
HEAD QUARTERS.
Eastern Department, 7
Creek .Vahon, July Ist, 1825. y
Sir—l had promised myself the pleasure of
sending you a detailed account of my,oinference
with the Indian council at this place by tins dty’s
mail; but the mail is on the point of closing and
my account is not ready.
1 have there ore only to say that the council
here, promise to be peaceable, and to settle their
difference with the friends and followers ol
General MMntosh upon just principles. They
protest against the Treaty. Tney refuse to re
ceive any part of the oonsidera ion money, or to
give any other evidence of their acquiescence
in the Treaty. But t ley have in the strongest
terms deliberately declared that they will no,
raise an j.rm against the United States, even
-hould an army come to lak ■ trom them the
whole of their country —that they will make no
sort of resistance, but will sit d iwn quietly an
be put to d. ath —where the bones of their an
cestors are deposited; that the world shall know
Ihe Musco-;a Nation, so loved their country that
they were willing to die in i rather than sell it,
ior leave t. Th-.s was their mode of expression,
as interpreted in presence of R. Hawkins, a d
several other interpreters, who were instructed
to state whether or not, the public interpre.er
did his duty. The council fully attended, has
thus appealed to our magnanimity—an appeal
which never can be unavailing when addressed
to citizens of the United States.
With great respect, I nave the honor to he,
EDMUND P. GAINES.
Jilaj. Gen. Coml’g.
To Governor Troup,
Executive Department, 2
MMt dgeviUe, July 4A, 18.5 5
Sir— I had the minor to rec -.ve your letter d
he 1, iust. this morning brwnicu be pleased to
accept my thanks.
How dors the obstinate refusal to remove con
■d.it with tue universal consent given, at one tim
'd the treaty at the Springs, with the exception
of the Tuckabatcliis. or w.tli the report made by
I lambly to Col. Williamson, that he had the ye
ir nay in the matter, and by the autii -rity ol
. these same people or the placid contentment air'
pod feeling for M'litosb, mamlested in their
ilk to Col. Lamar, &c. &c. 1 much fear that
Ins ardent love of country is of recent origin.
We can scarcely believe that the amor pain* is
all upon one side, and that side the hostile one.
Will you noi be able to discover in the course ol
your investigation that every thing had been said
and done by wbitemen to prejudice them against
heir new home f His indeed a pity that thesi
upfor'iinate men should b ■ the dupes of the most
lepraved of our own color, a id so far the dupes
s to be made to act in d reel repugnance to their
own best in'erests. It i» mere to be lamented
hat the impostors and knaves, cannot be dragg d
from their hiding places and punished—Presup- '
posing these unhappy "e ole to continue blind 1
and obdurate the u'rao-t which your government !
can do in the spirit of magnanimity and forbear 1
nice, will hi to relinquish the benefit whic
would r suit to it frum tlie execution of the trea 5
y, and guarantee to them for their permanent
(ume, the lands West of the Georgia line. If 1
ne Cheroke s c mtinue lo conduct themselves in 1
like temper, the like provision may be made for '
diem. But bow will this accord with the recent :
n dicy adopted by the United Slates or with the 1
substantial and lasting interests of the Indians. 1
In very estimate o' humanity it would be bet 1
ier that this deceitful charm by which they are 1
bound should be broken and dispelled, that after '
adjustment and reconciliation of differences the *
eu ire body should move without sorrow to the *
cuntry allotted to them, 1 am persuaded that
no efl-u'tsof yours will be uue saved to accom 1
plish tiiis most desirable and holt end—holy 1 1
say because it is the only one which can consist 1
witli their peace, safety and liappin ss. Pardo
me fur throwing nut these hasty a id desultory '
reflections ; they have no doubt already present- '
ed hnmselves to youruwn mind. Presuming that
the followers of M’liitnsh, who almost exclusive- '
ly occupy the Georgia lands wit! remove, and that 1
i i their present unsealed condition it would b- 1
very desirable to them to do so, whilst that it 1
would save to the United States the expense ol
their main enance and support here. I would
IVel myself nb’iged il consistently with your du !
iy you would give every encoumgem uit to such !
dispositions.
Whb great consideration and regard.
G. M. TROUP.
Msj. Gen. E. P. Gaines,
Fori JllitcheU.
[ff 're follo-wa the letter fom Gen. Gaines to Gov
Troup, published on the 2(kh ul,.]
Executive Department, }
Milledgeville, 17ih July, 1825 5
Sir—l have only a moment left l« say one
word in answer to that part of ynur letter I had 1
he honor to receive yesterday, which relates in
the assent given by M'l itosh to the survey ot the !
country. The certificate of Marshall, no matter '
- how procured, is one of the most daring efforts *
, hat ever was attempted by malignant villainy, to 1
palm a falsehood upon credulity. Now sir, lha 1
. you may be at once undeceived with legard to *
he trick which lias been played (iff by sonebn- 1
ly, I have to assure you that independ-utly of the ‘
assent three times given by M lntnsh under hi 1
own hand, which I have in my possession—this !
lame man Marshall, has repeatedly declared to !
; me that there was not a disventi mt voice from '
1 the survey among the friendly Chiefs—all the !
■ Chiefs 1 h ve seen have uniformly declared the
! -ame. and so they have declared to others, both
, in and out of cjuucil, and for this yon Ikvc my '
i word of honor, and may have my oath. 1 very
, w$U know that from the late event* which have?,
. transpired under the eyes of the Commissioner*
. of Georgia, that the oath even of a Governor of"
■ Georgia, may be permitted to pass lor nothing,
ami ttiat any vagabond of the Indian country, may
be put in requisition to discredit him. Bit 1 as
sure you, sir, if that oath should not weigh one
i feather with your government, it will weigh with
i the people of this state, who so far as 1 have
knowledge of their history, have never yet re
fused credence to the word of their chief magis
trate, and 1 believe will not to the present one,
unworthy as he may be.
Permit me to say in frankness, that I do not
hke the compaction of things at all, as disclosed
1 by the Cotrtnis ioners on the part of the slate,
,ncl sincerely hope that you may never have cause
to regret the part you have taken in them, eve
ry prepossession here was in yo,ur favour, and it
■vonld have given me great pleasure to cherish
It m behalf of an officer who had rendered sig
ia! sirvice to his country, through many a peril
ous and trying scene.
Very respectlu ly, your ob’dt. servant.
g. m. maup.
Maj. Gen. E. P. Guises,
Commanding, IJc.
Correspondence between Governor Troup and the
/far Department.
Department or War, >
June 15<A, 1825. 5
Sir : Your letter of the 3d inst. to the Secre
tary of War, has been received, and submitted to,
the President of the U. States, who directs me
in the absence of the Secretary of War, to say
in reply, that if the government of Georgia
should undertake the project of surveying the
land- ceded to the United Slates by the Greek
Nation of Indians at ihi treaty of Indian Springs,
before the expiration of the time specified by ttie
3th article of the treaty for the removal of the
Indians, it will be tvbolly upon iis own responsi
bility, and that the government of the United
States will not, in any manner, be responsible for
any consequences which may result from that
measure.
C. VANUEVENTER,
Chief Clerk.
His Excellency Gko. M. Troup,
Governor of Geo’gii\.
Executive Department, Gro. >
Millcdgeyilie, 25th June, 1825. 5
Sin: I received this morning the note which
in the absence of the Secretary of War, the Pre
sident of the United States di ected you to ad
dress to ins and in which 1 am informed that
“the project of surveying ttie lands ceded to
ihe United States by the Greek Nation of In
lia us at the treaty of the Indian Sor tigs before
the expiration of the time specified by the Bdi
article ot the treaty for the r mitval of the In
dians will be wholly upon its (the government
of Georgia) responsibility, and that the govern
nont (v.z, the government ot the United States)
wdl not in any manner be responsible lor any
consequences which may result from that mea
sure.” A very friendly aim mition truly. So
• ha' whilst you referred your resistence of the
nrv y to the evils already produced by the
mere - fFort on the part of this Government to
htain permission to make the survey, and when
the (act of that cause producing those effects is
lisproven and it is ma le known to you that no
b“dy 'ice, either whites or Indians ever concei
ved such a ihcg *9 possible, before y u had as.
mined it upon the representation of the
•\gent as undoubtedly tme, auij that your
own Agent to suit his own purposes—had
lubricated it to d c ive and mislead you.—
Nevertheless, you continue to issue order
a‘ter order lorbidd ng the survey, as if you
had predeterm ned from the beginning, that
under no circumstances should we proceed to
the survey without your express permission first
had and obtained. Nay mure—You repeat this
order to Gen. Gaines, who is charged to promul
gate it to the hostile Indians, so that whethi r
ihcre he any thing obnoxious in the surveyor
not, they may seize it as a pretence under the
authority and with the support of the United
S'ates, to sculp and tomahawk our people as
soon a- we shall attempt that survey; aid that
in fact you adopt for the IndiaHs gratuitously an
imaginary wrong done them—persuaded them
even against th-ir will that it is a real one, and
then leave them to indulge in unbridled fury, the
most tempesiuo is passions, and tins 1 presume
is th» meaning ip part of the responsibilities
which we are to incur if we disregard the man
due of the government „f Hj e United Stales,
you will therefore in the absence'of the Secret
tary of War, make known to the President, that
the Leg stature hiving in concurrence with the
expressed opinion of the Executive, came to the
almost unanimous cone ii-ion th.tby th treaty,
the jurisdiction together with the soil, passed to
Georgia, and in consequence, thereof, authorized
the Governor to cans- the line to be run and
the survey to he made, it becomes me in cm
dnp to state to the President, that the survey will
be made, and in due time, and of which Maj n-
Gen Gaines has already had sufficient not.ee.—
Whilst in the execution of the decrees of our
own constituted au Inanities, the government of
the United States wid fi .d nothing but frank
ness and magnanimity on our part, we may rea
onably claim the observance in like degree of
diese noble qualities on theirs. When therefore
certain responsibilities are spoken of in the com
munication nf the President, we can rightfully
enquire what responsibilities ? Georgia in the
maintenance of her undoubted rights, fears no
responsibilities, —Yet it is well for Georgia to
know them so far as they are menaced by the
United States. II it is intended that the Govern
ment of the U, States will interpose its power to
prevent the survey, the government of Georgia
cannot have too early or too distinct notice; lor
how highly dishonorable would it be f®r the
•ur'nger party to avail i■ self of that power to
surprise the weaker. If the Government only
mean, that com tling its constitutional du’v, it will
not pacify the Indians and make safe the frontier
wliHst the offi'ers of Georgia are in peac dul full
fiimenl,of their instructions connected with the
survey, it is important to the government of
He irgia to know it, that depending on ilself for
safely, it shall not depend in vain—but if the
g ivernment of tbe United Slates mean what is not
even yet to be believed, that assum ng l.ke their
Agent upon another, not dissimilar occasion, an
a titiide of neutrality, feigned and insincere—it
will like that Agent, harrow up the Indians to the
commission of hostile and bloody deeds, then in
df ed the government of Georgia should also know
it, thit it may guard & fence itselt against the per
fidy and treachery of fahe friends. In either event,
h iwever, the President of the U. S. tnaj rest
content that the government of Georgia cares
for no responsibilities in the exercise of its rights
and the execution of its trust, but those which
belong to conscience and to God, which thanks
to him is equally our God as the God of the U
S' ates.
Very respectfully, your ob’t. serv’t.
G M. TROUP
To C. Vandrvekteb, Chief Clerk,
War Department