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SOCIETY TAKING SIDES.
PR. DEPBW’S EMPHATIC DENIAL,
ASTONISHES THE “400.”
Ciubdora Gravely Discusses Mrs. Whit
ney's Statement “Our Chauncey’’
Explains His Position in the Matter—
Mr. Whitney Doesn’t Care to Talk
of It.
From the .Veto York IForW.
Society and. clubdom are aghast at Dr.
Chauncey M. Depew’s very vigorous denial
of a statement accredited to Mrs. William
C Whitney, wife of the Secretary of the
Navy. Neither Mr. Depew nor Mr. Whit
ney is excited over the matter, however,
and nothing save a nine-days’ social wonder
is likely to come of it.
Is Chauncey M. Dcpew, that prominent
and popular citizen of the metropolis, to be
sacrificed socially as Sackville-West was
politically t Or has Mrs. Whitney, the
popular wife of the Secretary of the Navy,
committed an indiscretion which may, from
a social standpoint, be termed as serious a
blunder as was Lord Sackvilie’s*
These were the questions which agitated
the drawing-rooms, parlors and club houses
of the city all through the dreary hours of
yesterday afternoon and evening, started
by the comments of a society woman in
yesterday’s World on Mrs. Whitney’s now
famous refutation of the stories regarding
President and Mrs. Cleveland’s private life;
her charges against Air. Depew of uttering
these, aud that gentloman’s vigorous re
joinder.
The questions produced a wide difference
of opinion which, as was perhaps natural,
was colored in most cases bv the politica 1
feeling or bias of those who discussed them.
It was also evident that Mr. Depew’s pop
ularity in New York made evep tha warm
est of Mrs. Whitney’s defenders chary in
their blame of the after-dinner orator. Mrs.
Whituey made what was construed as a di
rect charge of ungentlemanly conduct
against Mr. Depew in accusing him of hav
ing, at an after-dinner talk between gentle
men, repeated some of the most offensive
of the stories about the President’s treat
ment of his wife, and of giving Henry
Watterson as his informant; and Mr.
Depew, when told of this charge, stated to
a Tribune reporter that Mrs. Whitney, in
plain English, had repeated a falsehood.
MR. DEPEW TALKS.
Chauncey M. Depew sat in his private
study at his home, No. 22 East Forty-fifth
street, yesterday afternoon, with a troubled
look on bis usually merry face. A frugal
lunch was on a little table in front of him,
and remained almost untasted. A crutch
was beside his chair, and occasionally Mr.
Depew would seize his crutch —for his in
jured leg still compels him to use help in
getting about —and hobble about the room
in search of documents in an impatient
way totally unknown to him heretofore.
Concerning the controversy in which he
and Mrs. Whituey are the principals, he
said:
“I don’t caro to discuss the matter. I
have been very much annoyed about it.”
But after a time he continued: “Of course
1 don’t blame Mrs. Whitney. She heard
that I had been talking about Mr. Cleve
land and his wife, and woman-like, she
went off with a bang, without waiting for
investigation. She altogether missed the
air which surrounded the stories when they
were told.
“It occurred at a dinner party. The
ladies had left the gentlemen to the wine
aud the cigars, and some odb mentioned the
President, and wondered what he would do
when he left the white house. The conver
sation broadened, as it w ill under such cir
cumstances, and drifted into the personal
relations of the President to his wife. Now,
when I was out speaking during the last
campaign, wherever I went I heard these
stories about Mr. Cleveland’s treatment of
his wife. Every one who came from Wash
ington was loaded down with them. They
originated and were spread by democrats
who hated the President, and not by
lepublicans; and so, while the matter was
under discussion, I mentioned these widely
circulated stories, marveled at the thor
oughness with which they had been spread
over the country, and said that I did not
believe there was any foundation for them.
I had no idea that my random words would
ever pass beyond the door, and I certainly
took no malicious delight in spreading
scandalous stories, for the stories were
already on every tongue. They were as
widely circulated as It is possible for any
thing of that kind to be, and I simply com
mented on something that was almost uni
versally known.
THE COMPLETE FACTS.
“The Watterson story I heard in Chicago,
in St. Louis, in New York, and, in fact, all
over the country. I did not sanction it,
and when it was being discussed said that
1 did not believe it. One of the gentlemen
who was present —and, by the way, there
were only six there besides myself, and they
are all gentlemen of the highest social
position—has since heard through a friend
from Mr. Watterson on the subject. Mr.
Watterson writes that the story is all a lie;
that he heard of it moDths ago, and did not
deny it publicly because it was one of those
peculiar kind of stories which it is difficult
to deny without making the public believe
there is something in it. He thought it
would die out and be forgotten; but instead
it kept growing.
“The simple facts as Mr. Watterson
writes, are that he and Mrs. Cleveland and
Mr. and Mrs. Speaker Carlisle went to the
theater together. While there they were
introduced to an actress eminent in her
profession. When they returned to the
While House, the President was told of
io, and he appeared very much gratified,
thanking Mr. Watterson for his courtesy.
* >ut of this grew the story of the Presi
dent’s brutality.”
“What are your own relations with the
President!” Mr. Depew was asked.
here’s the sting.
"That’s the injustice in this matter,” said
he, while a loon of whimsical annoyance
came into his face. “I have always de
fended Cleveland’s private character in
public and in private. In my speeches in
I*B4 I refused to pay any attention to the
scandals then being circulated, and I was
criticised in my own party for my out
spoken admiration of his honesty of pur
pose and his many fine qualities. I never
made a personal attack on the President
during the last campaign, and said more
kindly things about him than any other
republican speaker. Why, look here,” anil
Mr. Depew took his crutch and hobbled
across the room to where Col. Shepard’s
Vail and Express lay on the table and
handed the reporter a marked copy of his
speech at the Union League Club Thursday
evening, Nov. 8, in which he said:
We, the members of the Union League Club,
while radically differing from Air. Cleveland
upon almost every point of his policy at home
and abroad, express our satisfaction with the
dignity and integrity with which he has held the
presidency, our gratification that he squarely
presented the issue which his friends have
evaded for twenty-five years, and which, once
fairly met, the people have settled for the pres
ent political memory,and our hope that in the
Private station to which he is for the future
destined, ho may during a long life enjoy all
lhe honor and regard which tielong to a citizen
who has tieen President of the United States.
To the young and gracious lady whose marriage
at. the white house gave unwonted romance to
|he cold realism of our politics, and who, an the
' nation's bride,” with rare grace and tact has
Illustrated in a most conspicuous way the won
derful power of the American girl, suddenly
translated from the school to the capitol, to
modestly yet triumphantly meet tne require
ments of the loftiest position, we tender our
cordial res|H)ct anil regard, and unite with men
ol all parties in the prayer that God's choicest
blessing may attend her during a happy future.
I Cheer*. ]
“Now, that doe* not look malicious, does
>tl” said Mr. Depew, "aud yet that wns
only two day* beforo the dinner party. 1
regret this, because it is the first time I
nave ever been accused of nuch a thing, and
* don’t think 1 deserve it. Hereafter." and
n quizzical look crept into the corners of
hi* eyes, “1 shall confine myseif, when I
•m dining out, to purely scientific discus
sions 1 shall make knowledge of the con
dition of the weather my specialty, and no
mm on Manhattan Island shall surpass me
in meteorological erudition.
HE DOESN’T BLAME AIRS. WHITNEY.
Then, as if the whole thing had been cast
off hL mind, he went on in the same vein
cheerily and suggested with a laugh that it
would probably be a good thing to have a
phonograph at each dinner table, which
could be sent to the different news
paper offices. His good humor being
thoroughly restored, he began on his frugal
lunch again and soon despatched it. He
called down the stairs as the reporter
was leaving; “Be sure aud say I don’t
blame Mrs. Whitney; she only did what
she thought was right.”
WHAT MR. WHITNEY SAYS.
Secretary Whitney was found at his
re-idence. No. 3 West Fifty-seventh street.
“I don’t know anything about my wife’s
interview,” said he, “because she is in
Washington and I have not seen her since
it appeared. You can say, however, that
it sounds very much like her, and is prob
ably correct. She has mentioned the sub
ject to me very often, and begged me to let
her say something publicly about the way
the President was being slandered. Several
days ago the correspondent of tee Chicago
Tribune came to seo Mrs. Whit
ney and said he was going to
get statements from the leading
social ladies of Washington on the
subject of the Cleveland stories so as to
effectually and forever set them at rest.
Mrs. Whitney understood that she was only
to be one of many. She will doubtless be
surprised to see hei'self so extensively
quoted. Still, I must sav that it sounds
exactly like her,” and the Secretary smiled.
“She was very much incensed about the
many stories that were circulated, and
doubtless talked very freely.”
The secretary did not care to discuss the
matter himself.
A World reporter called upon several
prominent society women and men, but one
and all declined to express any opinion on
the subject, stating in every case that they
did not wish to take part in any controversy
between Mrs. Wbitnoy and Mr. Depew.
THE VERDICT AT THE CLUBS.
The feeling in the clubs was on the whole
in Mr. Depew’s favo'. There was muci
discussion as to the privileged nature of an
after-dinner talk between gentlemen in a
gentleman’s house, and while it was con
ceded that Mr. Depew might have been in
discreet in mentioning or relating any
stories about Mr. and Mrs. Cleveland’s
private life, the facts that these stories
were in universal circulation and probablv
well known to the other gentlemen prosen ,
and that the conveisatlon was a privilege,,
one, relieved him of blame. The gentleman
who wrote to Air. Watterson afterward
and asked him whether Air. Depew’s
giving him as authority for one of the o
stories was authorized, was severely cri i
cised, especially by republicans and am -
Cleveland men. Had he any reason to ques
tion Air. Depew’s veracity or the reliability
ot his sources of information, they argued,
he should have done it politely then and
there, or at least he should have asked Mr.
Depew’s permission to write Mr. Watter
son. His not doing so, it is held, was hypo
critical, insulting to Mr. Depew and an
abuse of the hospitalities of his host. He
was really the man whom Mrs. Whitney
should have attacked, as his letter to Mr.
Watterson was the indirect cause of Mrs.
Whitney’s statements and the attention it
again called to the very stories it aimed to
refute, and which, with tne echoes of the
election, were fast dying away.
WHY MR. DEPEW ?
Said a prominent clubman, who, althou; h
a Cleveland man in 1884, voted for Hart i
son this year: “There is no doubt that Airs.
Whitney's interview, as printed in the Chi
cago Tribune, was an inspired one. I know
personally, and I certainly do not blame
him for it, that Cleveland has smarted
under these stories regarding his treatment
of Mrs. Cleveland and the unhappiness of
his married life. Mrs. Whitney, lam told,
undertook the task of refutingthese stories
with pleasure. With true womanly feeling
and lack of business judgment, and perhaps
unconsciously smarting herself a little as the
wife of a cabinet official whose party—and
in consequence himself—was about to
go out of power, and whose defeat
was due, perchance, she thought,
among other causes to these very in
jurious stories, went too far and attacked
Mr. Depew and Senator Ingalls without
sufficient grounds for so doing. Air. Depew
makes such a vigorous, if not polite.rejoinder
that I do not blame him for a momentary
want of courtesy. His position in the New
York business, social and political world is
too well assured to be injured by this affair.
These stories which Mrs. Whitney accuses
Mr. Depew of circulating have been told,
repeated and discussed in every club of the
laud. Ido not believe them. I do not ap
prove of their circulation, but why shouid
Mr. Depew be singled out for attack be
cause Ue repeated a story in a private house,
in a private conversation, which was public
property and which I myself have heard
democrats themselves tell and repeat in
public places!”
AS ETIQUETTE PROVIDES.
The etiquette of after-dinner conversa
tions which bears directly on the sensational
episode above related was naturally much
discussed yesterday. Said an old club man
and diner-out. “There are no set rules
which govern the conversations indulged in
by the male guests at a dinner party after
the ladies bave left the room and the coffee,
liquors and cigars are brought in. Asa
rule it varies with the personnel of the men
present and with their number. At a large
dinner, say of twenty to thirty covers, the
men generally separate into small knots
of three or four, or into couples,
those who know each other best
drawing their chairs together, but at a
smaller dinner, such as was probably that
at which Mr. Dapew committed the fault
for which he is accused by Mrs. Whitney,
the conversation generally takes in the en
tire company and is informal in character.
Asa rule, political and religious subjects
are tabooed, but if the men aro weil ac
quainted, and especially if they are nil
friends, much latitude is permitted, and
any subject that comes to hand may bo dis
cussed, unless some guest or the host, who
is supposed to keep his hand on the lever of
the social engine and watch the track ahead,
objects. Such an informal after
dinner conversation is an unu
sually privileged one, much more
so than one in a club parlor, and, although
there is an unwritten law that ladies’ names
should not be used in general conversation
among gentlomen, it is more and constantly
honored in the breach than in the observ
ance at such times, with rarely any result
ant ill effect, as in the present case. The
fact of a lady’s occupying a prominent po
sition, such os that of mistress of the white
house, for example, would be more apt to
make her a subject of pleasant conversa
tion than if *he were an humbler member
of her sox.
THINKS THE PRESS TO BLAME.
“There is no doubt also that Americans
have been so accustomed to seeing constant
attacks upon men in public life in the daily
press that attack or reflect upon even the
ladies of these men’s families, that such
stories as these in point do not seem the
same thing as they would if directed against
ladies of more private life. I do not mean to
say or even intimate that Airs. Cleveland
should be attacked or reflected upon, or
that stories should be circulated which
might cause her unhappiness,
simply bee u use she is the Presi
dent’s wife, but she cannot expect to
be spared what many of her
predecessors have endurod. She herself
has never been spoken of either in public it
private except with respect. Has she n< t
fared better than Mr*. Lincoln,Mrs. Hayes,
or even Mrs. Grant I It seems to me Airs.
Whitney’s interview shows undue sensi
tiveness, which is, perhaps, not all her
own, and it is the man who wrote to Mr.
Watterson, aud not so much Mr. Dopew,
who committed a breach of etiquette.
Other club men seen took subaUntiaUv the
same view* of the case outlined above, and
there was a general consensus of opinion
that Mrs. Whitney’* interview would revise
a subject that had best be dropped, and
that soon.
THE MORNING NEWS: WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 12. 1888.
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TOBACCOS AND CIGARS. FLORIDA
ORANGES AND FRUITS A SPECIALTY.
103 AND 105 BAY BTRKKT,
SAVANNAH. GEORGIA.
Arrow Cotton Ties,
FOR SALE BY
C. M. GILBERT*, CO.,
IMPOUTKKS.
Corner Bay aud Weat Broad street*.
A. R. ALTMATER A CO.
ALTMAYER’S
Toys, Toys, Toys!
Dolls, Dolls, Dolls!
DoDday Goods!
Hus Preseals.
No such colossal stock ever gathered together
before, three spacious floors required to ac
commodate it. The headquarters for every
thing is the
BASEMENT.
“ MOTHER TOLD ME SO,”
Paul Prosser's great song, will never be half
so popular as the prices at which we are offer
ing the following beautiful goods:
Plush Boxes,
Manicure Bet, Celluloid Hair Brushes and
Hand Classes, Ladies' Hand Oxidized
Silver Hair Brushes. Clothes Brushes, Hat
Brushes, Triplicate Mirrors, Combination Collar
and Cuff boxes, Leather and (Canvas Tourists'
Cases,
Chess, Dominoes,
Came Boxes of Cards and Chips, Fancy Cases
filled with Soaps and Perfumes, Real Shell
Dressing Combs. Photograph and Autograph
Albums, Bric-a-brac, Chinaware, Vases,
Christmas Cards,
.Jewelry and Leather Goode. Glove and Hand
kerchief Boxes, Bronzes, Toilet and Stationery
Novelties, Silver and Gold Thimbles, Portfolios,
Inkstands. Paper Cutters, Paper Weights, Boxes
of Paper and Envelopes,
Fancy Handkerchiefs,
in Silk and Linen: Gents' Pure Linen Initial
Handkerchiefs (any Initial), six in a box, 81 50;
Ladies’ ditto, $1 35; Smoking Jackets, Ladies’
and Children's Hals, both trimmed and un
trimmed.
Dress Lengths,
Jackets, Cloaks, Wraps. Newmarkets for readies,
Missetiand Children; Silk and Gloria Umbrellas,
with Gold aud Oxidl/ed Silver Handles; the
latest novelties iu Gents' Neckwear, Puff Scarfs
iu elegant designs.
Gents’ Satin Suspenders,
Plain and Embroidered in rich shades. This is
your week, for another like it need never be ex
peeled. Bargains, bargains, bargains! Can’t
quote prices. Some lines mentioned here rep
resent ISO different qualities. See them. Polite
clerks wait on you.
$1 50 Black Gros Grain
Silk 99c.
Plush wasn't stylish in Savannah until we put
81 quality down to 55c.; now it is worn alto
gether. Watch how fashionable I Hack Gros
Grain Silk becomes. Four cases extra high
quality pure Lyons Silk (Ids week HMc.: same
quality sold by others at $2 and |2 25, and by
us never before for less than $1 .50.
Useful Presents.
German. Irish and French Dinner Sets In
Damask. Tea and Dinner Napkins, and a com
plete assortment of Linen White Goods. Ijini
brequins, Portieres, Curtains, Piano Covers,
Stand and Table Covers, etc.
Qeotlemen’s
Toilet Slippers
in endless array; Ooze Kid, in Mouse Color. Tan.
etc.; Silk, Velvet and Plush Operus. in a I toe
latest shades; real Alligator Operas, in Green.
Wine. Tortoise, Black, lan, etc.; ladles’ Fancy
Beaded Operas, Oxfords, etc , in Bronze and
Black; Fancy lan, Plush, Felt arid Kid Slip|*>re,
both for toilet and evening wear.
Good Help,
like good goods, is scarce, but we are rapidly
adding to our force, and before many days wiil
not keep any customers waiting. Nimble
lingers are requisite to cope with our active
prices and eager purchasers.
Special
1,000 Beautiful Plush Photograph Album*,
well bound, different colors, $1; cheap al $2.
1 .000 Elegant Plush Dressing Cases, Celluloid
Brush. Comb and Mirror, $1 03; worth $4.
Seen in
BASEMENT.
ALTMAYER’S
CLOTHING.
WHAT
5] CHRIST-
Si MAS?
* * * * * * * * *
WE HAVE FIFTY DOZEN FINE
White Japanese )
sit i tv v ders, at
□ . , ,• r l 50c. EACH;
Handkerchiefs, ) worthtsc.
Also a lot lovely INITIAL HANDKER
CHIEFS, three in a beautiful Russian Leather
Box, at $2 25 per box.
GOLD-HEADED UMBRELLAS CHEAP.
‘‘BY THE WAY,”
We introduce anew feature, which will con
tinue till Christmas. We will allow a discount
of 10 per cent, on all articles (except E. & W.
Collars and Knox Hats). Prices, which are very
low, plainly marked on everything.
10 Off—Remember It.
C DRESS SUITS and OVERCOATS; largest
H assortment ever shown in Savannah.
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Ij SEPARATE KNEE PANTS a specialty.
Ft TO CLOSE OUT
IU 100 BOYS’ SUITS’!
S at $1 80. )
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TIMELY TOPICS.
IO OFF-
Many merchants begin to offer inducements
after the harvest has been reaped. We believe
in giving purchasers the advantages while
they are supPLviNo thoir wants, hence our
liberal offer of TEN PER CENT. DISCOUNT on
all purchases. Now, even at marked prices, our
goods are chea)>er than any competitors.
10 PER CENT. OFF.
OVERCOATS.
A Good Union Cassimere $ 6 50
A Good Kersey 8 00
An Elegant Kersey 12 50
A Nice Fancy Worsted 15 00
(With Silk Facing).
Our SATIN LINED COATS are the hand
somest ever shown here.
“WOULD 1 WERE A BOY AGAIN,”
BOYS’ SHIRT WAISTS in FLANNELS and
PERCALES.
BOYS’ FURNISHINGS.
KNOX AND FLEXOR HATS.
Gold and Silver Shirts.
Gents' Business and Dress Suits.
800 Tnirs Nice DRESS PANTS bought at
cut prices aud to go the same way.
REUrr&Bn,
161 Congress Street.
PU LBICATIONS.
Magazines for December
AT
ESTILL'S NEWS DEPOT
am btilXa street.
Price.
The Centuiy 35c
The Atlantic Monthly Sic
The Forum 50c
Outing 25c
The Popular Science Monthly 50c
Scribner’s Magazine 25c
Harper's Monthly 35c
St. Nicholas 25c
Lippincott's Magazine 25c
Cosmopolitan 25c
The Eclectic Magazine 50c
The North American Review 50c
The Southern Cultivator 15c
The Home Maker 2()c
Magazine of American History 50c
Frank Leslie’* Sunday Magazine 25c
Frank Budget of Fun 20c
Frank Leslie's Pleasant Hours 15c
Frank L she's Popular Muulhly 25c
S' imething to Read 25c
The Princess 20c
Family l.inrary 15e
The Indies Home Journal 10c
Tiie Poultry World !5c
The Southern Farmer. 15c
The Universal Review 75c
Address sll orders to
WILLIAM ESTILL. Savannah, Ga.
Fashion Magazines for December
Estill’s News Depot,
NO, STREET.
Price.
Young Ladles’ Journal 300
•*Le Guide de la Mode” *sc
Peterson’s Magazine 2So
Oodey's Lady's Book 25c
Demorest's Monthly Magazine ,25c
New York Fashion Bazar 25c
"L'Art de la Mode” 36c
The Seasons 35c
“Le Bon Ton” 0c
Revue de la Mode 350
Demorest's Port Folio of the Fashion* 250
The Delineator 20c
arper’s Baza r 100
Address all orders to
WILLIAM ESTILL,
Savannah, Ga.
l a. McCarthy,
BARNARD STREET.
(Under Knights of Pythias’ Hall),
PLUMBING AND GAS FITTING.
steam abating a specialty.
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