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\ L: - ) volume xii. ATLANTA, GA^ FRIDAY, AUGUST 1, 1913. NO. 89 Every Shift of Military Re sources Made With an Eye to Possibility of Extreme Steps Becoming Necessary ROSSER RIDDLES ONE OF THE STATE’S CHIEF WITNESSES Detective John Black "Goes to Pieces” Under Rapid-Fire Cross-Questioning of Frank's Attorney at Afternoon Ses sion BY SALFS SMITH. WASHINGTON, July 31.—The admin istration is taking steps to be prepared for the worst in connection with the Mexican situation*. Every shift of the military resources of the government is made with an eye to the possibility ot going to extreme length in Mexico. A significant illustration of this isj to be found in a letter received today by Senator Weeks, of Massachusetts, from Acting Secretary of the Navy Roosevelt. Weeks had put in a request that a couple of battleships be detailed for show duty at Boston, during the meeting there of the American Bankers’ association. When his reply came from Mr. Roose velt, it was quite in line with the gen eral policy of preparedness of the ad ministration. “The department will be delighted to send the battleships,” said the letter, “provided they are not need ed at that time for use in Mexican wa ters.” It. is \rue that the administration nas hot yet formulated a policy in re gard to Mexico and will not, until it feels itself more fully informed. But at the same time it does not propose to be caught unprepared in case an emergency requires prompt Attention by force of arms. The possibility that only war will quiet Mexico is not lost sight of, and if that should be forced upon the ad ministration, it proposes to be ready to act with vigor and effectiveness. Another Cruiser Goes To Mexican Waters WASHINGTON, July 31.—The cruis er South Dakota has arrived at Califor- nit City on her way to Guavmas to re lieve the cruiser Pittsburg. When the Pittsburg returns to San Francisco she will bring any refugees who wish to leave Guaymas. Rebels Confiscating Landowners' Holdings DOUGLAS, Ariz., July 31.—Under a taw just enacted by the Mexican con stitutionalist state congress of Sonora, the holdings of the great land barons of the territory under control of the rebel government are declared forfeited. According to advices received here today, the government machinery at Her- mosillo already has been ‘put into op eration to confiscate the estates of all persons pot in sympathy with the con stitutionalist cause. This number in- cluu s all of the great landowners. The law provides also that all hold ings which a property owner is unable or unwilling to cultivate shall be for feited. General Feiix Diaz Takes a Motor Trip (By Associated Press.) LOS ANGELES, July 31.—There being no indications of further demonstrations against him, General Felix Diaz, the Mexican special envoy to Japan, and his suite took a motor trip today, guarded only by Mexican secret service men. He maintained secrecy as to his destination, but it was presumed that he intended to seek an interview with General Geroni- rao Trevino, veteran soldier and asso ciate of his uncle, Porfirio Diaz. General Diaz declared “of ho conse quence” the demonstration of Mexican rebel sympathizers last night when njen- acing shouts of “Death to Diaz!” drown ed the vivas of his friends. In his motor trip the general avoided the vicinit yof the Mexican colony. IE Pollock, Heiskeii and Carr.oll Follow Moore’s Dis missal (By Associated Press.) WASHINGTON, July 31.—R. E. Pol lock, section director of the weather bu reau at Trenton, N. J.; Prof. H. L. Heiskeii; of the office of meterology, and Daniel G. Carroll, chief clerk of the weather bureau, implicated in the al leged political activity of former Chief Willis L. Moore, which resulted in his dismissal, were removed from office to day. * Fifth ijtn Relative Comes To Aid of Invalid by An Offer of Blood (By Associated ■ Press.) NEW YORK. July 31.—Malcolm Mid dleton, a mining expert of Utah, is the filth member of the wealthy Middleton family to come to the aid of Leighborn Middleton, his brother, with an offering of blood, but despite all the sacrifices physicians say his case is hopeless. He is suffering with anaplastic anaemia, a disease that has baffled the physicians. His young wife, who has already giv en up 15 per cent of her blood supply in the hope of saving her husband, pleaded yesterday to be allowed to submit to a second transfusion, but the doctors de clared* that she could not survive a further sacrifice. Middleton's brother offered himself as a substitute, although he was told by the physicians that the operation will be the only means of slightly prolonging the sick man’s life. Action characterized the Wednesday afternoon session of the Frank trial, and it was the first time the tedious pro ceedings had taken on life enough to attract more than passing interest. This action came hi the fierce and merciless cross-examination of Detec tive John Black by Attorney Rosser, leading counsel for the defense. Black has taken a prominent part in the in vestigation of the Phagan murder, and it was expected that he would prove one of the state’s principal witnesses, but before Mr. Rosser had finished with him he went all to pieces and admitted that he was hopelessly confused. There were only two witnesses at the afternoon session—Detective Black and J. M. Gantt, the former shipping clerk at the pencil factory. Gantt was on the stand but about twenty minutes and the only two important points in his testimony were assertions that Frank knew Mary Phagan and that frank seemed to be frightened and very nervous when the witness saw nim at the pencil factory door on the evening of the murder. DORSEY’S CHARGE. There was a considefable colloquy be tween Solicitor Dorsey and Attorney Rosser as to the propriety of the ques tions framed by the solicitor. During this colloquy Mr. Dorsey, addresing the judge, declared: “I propose to show, your honor, that this bloody shirt was a plant, and that it was through sug gestions made by the defendant that the detectives were induced to search Newt Lee’s house.” The question was finally put and the witness rather hesitatingly replied that it was on Tuesday that the shirt had beerv found and that it was on Monday morning that Frank had suggested that the officers search his own house, and that it was also on Monday that the defendant had announced that there were skips in the time clock slips. SECOND VISIT TO FRANK’S Detective Black also told of going to Frank’s home again Monday morning at 7 o’clock with Detective Haslett to ask him to come down to the police station to talk the murder over. Black said that he and Haslett had to wait on the porch while Frank ate breakfast, and when Frank finished his meal they ac companied him to headquarters. They arrived about 8 o’clock or 8:30. Shortly after they got there he no ticed Attorney Rosser and Herbert Haas. At 11:30 o’clock Monday morn-^ ing Haas insisted to Chief Lanford that a search be made of Frank’s house by officers. Frank accompanying them. Solicitor Dorsey asked the witness just what Haas said to Lanford. Black replied that Haas stated he was Frank’s lawyer and that in that capac ity he would insist that nothing should be left undone to clear up the matter so far as Frank was concerned. Solicitor Dorsey then asked the wit- nes if on that morning Frank had con sulted with Rosser and Arnold. He said he didn’t know about Mr. Arnold, but that Frank had consulted with Rosser and Haas at police headquarters. The witness was asked what conver sation he had had with Newt Lee. He and Pinkerton Detective Scott suggested to Frank, replied the witness, that he take Newt Lee into a room and see if he could get anything out *of him that would throw light on the murder. The witness said that Frank had spoken very highly of the negro night watchman. The two were left in a room alone together for five or ten minutes, said the witness. Black was not able to overhear very well what was said in the room. Detective Scott and Black went into the room and Frank told them Newt Lee stuck to his first story of not knowing anything about the murder. Black said that Frank told them he insisted to Lee that he, the negro, must know something about the murder as no one else was in the factory on that Sat urday night. Black said that he talked with Frank .about getting suggestions from him, and that Frank seemed to sus pect Gantt and to believe that Lee might know something about it, inasmuch as Lee was the nightwatchman and as such it was his duty to go through the fac tory every thirty mfnutes. “He told me,” said the witness, that Gantt came to the factory about 6. o’clock Saturday afternoon and that he left him there; that he had had some previous trouble with Gantt and at first had refused to let him go in and and look for his shoes, but that h e later told Lee to let him in and watch him while he was in the factory; that he had given this direction be cause Gantt knew the surroundings of tne office.” Subsequent to this conversation, Gantt was arrested, said Black. Frank did not talk with Gantt. Frank did not refuse tp talk with Lee. The first mention was made of Jim Conley’s name. Solicitor Dorsey asked the witness if there had not been other suspects, olack said yes. “Who were they?” “Jim Conley was one,” replied Black. “Did Gantt talk to Conley?” “No.” “Did you talk to Frank on several oc casions after he was arrested?”’ “Yes. He seemed to be nervous, as any man under arrest would be, and was willing to answer questions.” Solicitor Dorsey asked that the state ment be stricken, saying it was not an answer to his question. Judge Roan re fused to rule it out. Solicitor Dorsey asked this question: “Was Newt Lee nerovus after he was arrested?” And They Want Me to Recognize THAT1 —By Webster PARTIES COMBINE AGAINST TAMMANY MAN FOR MAYOR NEW YORK .July 31.—Test of the fusion movement to oppose Tammany hall at the autumn election is expected tonight, when a general committee of ]07, representing Republicans, Progres sives and independents, will try to agree upon a candidate for the nomi nation to succee % d Mayor Gaynor. District Attorney' Charles S.' Whit man, Collector of the Port John Purroy Mitchell* and Borough President Gfcorge McAneny, of Manhattan, are candidates Moat prAnaioflallv Baaatinpflfl MURDER CASES IE Trials of Five Slayers Are Scheduled for August Term of Chatham Courts Uncle Sam Forbids Medicine Dance Of the Indians (By Associated Press.) NETT LAKE, Minn., July 31.—The grand lodge medicine dance of the Chip pewa Indians at the Bois fort reserva tion and Nett Lake agency has been put under the ban by a federal inspection. It is the custom of the Indians dur ing the dance to give away practically everything they own. hey are thus kept impoverished, while the medicine men flourish. The Indian doctors exert an influence so strong over the members of the band that they will not go to the agency physicians even when seriously ill. SAVANNAH, Ga.. July 31.—Five mur der cases are now on the superior court docket, assigned for trial- before the closing of the present term of criminal court. At no other time in the recent history of Savannah have so many mur der cases been pending in the courts. The most important is that against Lathrop George, who recently shot Henry McClellan, when he found the latter asleep in a bed room in Mrs. .George’s home. This case has been as signed for August 6. On the following day Hugh Harrison will be tried for the murder of Ruth Hester. This alleged murder occurred only a few days before the McClellan tragedy! Jealousy is attributed as the motive for the killing. Two murder cases are assigned for trial today: Lola Royal, colored charg ed with the murder of her husband Louis Royal, and George Hamilton, col ored, charged with the murder of Mose Frazier. The case against Amos Hus sey, colored, is also assigned for trial at this term. Detectives Flood Naragansett In Search of Cunning Thieves Who Got Jewels Worth $225,000 Members of Cottage Colony Have Lost Their Gaiety, Every Stranger Is Suspected, and the Sleuths Are Shadowing One Another (By Associated Press.) NARRAGANSETT PIER. R. I., July ! 31.—These are unhappy days for the ; chance visitor to Narragansett who does not bear refutation of the suspi cion that he is one of the thieves who robbed the homes of C. C. Rumsey and John H. Hanan of jewelry worth $225,- 000. All but those who were well known are viewed with suspicion, and some of the amateur sleuths go so far as say that a few residents wiil bear watch ing The usual number of midweek guests has been nearly doubled by the pres ence of detectives, and as thees men represent at least three or four com peting agencies, the greater number are not known to one another. In one in stance two operatives representing rival agencies spent a whole day shadowing each other. Gaiety at the Casino and other places where the members of the cottage col- Death's Hand Falls On “Silver Bill, ” Idol of Gamblesr CHICAGO, July 31.—“O^lonel” Wil- liam Riley, whose bookmaking estab lishment on “Gamblers’ Row” in the seventies was known from coast to coast, died here yesterday. He was about 63 years old. Although he is reputed to have at one time been a millionaire he practically was without funds at his death. Riley, whose white hair ana mustache won him the sobriquet of “Silver Bill,” had a reputation among\ gamblers for his honesty. He never allowed minors in his place; no man was permitted to smoke cigarettes there, card playing was not permitted, but any kind of a wager upon a horse race, athletic event or election was covered promptly. When Cleveland and Blaine ran for the presidency more than $250,000 in bets reposed in “Silver Bill’s’’ safe. The result of the election was in doubt for a time and Riley was taken ill. It was reported that he had disappeared with the money, which had been entrusted to him and newspapers printed a story to that effect. The story w r as disbelieved by gamblers and not a single man wait ed at the door of the* pool room the following morning get his money. Every bet was paid.* Riley was born in Brooklyn and was a camp follower in the Union army. Late in the sixties he landed in San Francisco with only $150. Meeting a ragged miner, whose face was so cov ered with a heavy growth of red beard that he resembled, a freak, Riley rented a store room and charged 50 cents ad mission to see “the wild man of Cey lon” who was the miner. He made $1,500 in ten days. Riley’s widow is believed to be re siding in New York. It is said that he settled $100,000 upon her several years ago when they separated. Aged Statesman Dead NEWPORT, Isle of Wgiht, England. July 31.—Prof. John Milne, eminent seismologist, died here today, aged 63 ire&rfu , ony met today was subdued by the knowledge that detectives were about. Patrons spoke in whispers over their teacups and every stranger, whether man or woman, was immediately placed under suspicion of being either a de tective or a jewel thief. The usual crop of inside “tips” are afloat to the effect that arrests are im minent, but those in authority say that the detectives are no wiser as to the identity of t.he theives who got away with $225,000 worth of gems than when they commenced work on the case. Both Mr. Rumsey and Mrs. Hanan to day declared ridiculous the theory that a house guest had sought to climb higher in society by the aid of the missing ropes of pearls. “My guests were all old friends,” said Mrs. Hanan, “and none of them were in the house when the robbery occurred.” Mrs. Hanan was told by one of the detectives at fthore Acres, her home, that they had a clue. BLOOD SPOTS AND PAID FOUND FI CHIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED Pay Envelope Was Found Near Machine Used by Mary Phagan Some Days Later-Find oj’ Strands of Hair on Lathe Was Reported to Quinn, Who Notified Darley-Mell Stanford and Magnolia Kennedy Also Saw It New and sensational testimony for the state was given by R. P. Barrett, a machinist at the National Pencil factory where Mary Phagan was mundered on April 26, when Barrett Thursday afternoon declared from the witness stand that he had discovered early Monday morning following the tragedy a large blood spot, surrounded by a number ol smaller spots, at the water cqoler near the dressing room on the sec ond floor of the factory. Barrett testified further that he had found a broom nearby which from its appearance evidently had been used to smear the large blood spot over with a white substance. Barrett testified further that on the same morning he had found strands of hair on the lathe of the machine used by him and that he had called this discovery to the attention of Masmolia Kennedy, Mell Stanford and Lemmie Quinn, and that Quinn had notified Darley. The solicitor developed through Barrett’s testimony that no girls had been at the factory since Friday afternoon before the crime, his purpose evidently being to show that the hair must have been that of Mary Pha gan. In addition to this testimony, Barrett swore that a few days aft er the murder he had found in the area near Mary Phagan’s machine, a portion of a pay envelope. There was nothing on the envelope to positively identify it as having belonged to Mary Phagan. The fact that blooid spots were found in the metal room on tha second floor was also established by the state through the testimony of Harry Scott, the Pinkerton detective, and Mell Stanford, an employe of the factory. * Barrett’s testimony was decidedly the most Important that tha state has thus far managed to get before the jury, and no doubt will be stressed by the solicitor in support of the state’s theory that Mary Phagan met her death in the metal room on the second floor of the factory. By both Pinkerton Detectives Harry Scott and Barrett the state showed that careful searches had been made of the first floor shortly after the tragedy and that neither a pay envelope, a purse, a bludgeon or stick, had been found there. The prediction has been frequently made that the defense would introduce evidence to show that both Mary Phagan’s pay envelope and a bloody bludgeon were found on the first floor by Pinkerton detectives. ' NOT THE SAME ENVELOPE. ' Whether the defense will Introduce the piece of envelope found by the Pinkertons on the first floor of the factory is not known. In the event they do so two pay envelopes will be in evidence. These two pieces are not from the same envelope. This fact was demonstrated by Attorney Frank A. Hooper, who is assisting In the prosecution. After the state can contend that the envelopes are separate and distinct. Mary Phagan’s machine, Mr. Hooper took It and endeavored to fit it with the piece of envelope held by the defense. It did not fit, thus the state can contend that the envelopes are sparate and distinct. It is quite evident that the state will insis that the envelope and bludgeon found by Plnkeron detectives and turned over to the defenst are nothing more than "plants.” / Monteen Stover, a twelve-wear-old girl employed at the factory, stated that she had gone to the factory on the Saturday or tne mur der, arriving at 12:05 and leaving at ljfcio. She swor^ that sKAhad gone into the offices and that she did not see nor hear anyone in the building. She had gone for her pay. Scott swore that Frank had told him that he was in his ofllce and did not leave it from 12 to 12:30. Solicitor Dorsey has begun to weave the chain of circumstantial evidence with which the state expects to convict Frank with the mur der. The remainder of the week will most likely be taken up by the state in the introduction of witnesses. WILL CONLEY BE CALLED? • James Conley, the negro sweeper, who swore that he helped Frank carry the girl’s body into the basement and wrote the notes found beside it at Frank’s suggestion, may or may not be introduced as a principal witness. The state may hold him back as a rebut*ft?»jult- ness, and there is a slight possibility that he may not.be put upon the stand at all. • Throughout the Thursday session of the trial Frank remained as impassive as he has been heretofore. He took a keen interest in the proceedings, but did not display the slightest trace of emotion. The testimony of Detective Scott was not satisfactory to either the state o rthe defense. He engaged in frequent clashes with Mr. Rosser while the latter was cross-examining nim, but unlike Detective John Black, he never once lost his head. MAN LEADING A DOUBLE LIFE BETRAYED BY HIS SUIT CASE MANY WOMEN PRESENT. A number of women were among- the early arrivals In the crowd of specta tors who surrounded the court house before court convened Thursday morn ing for the resumption of the Frank trial. The women stood in line for an hour to be among those close to the doors when those portals were opened. The crowd was admitted at 8:40 o’clock. Leo M. Frank, the accused, had arrived early, as usual, under custody of the sheriff. At 8:55, Mrs. Frank, wife of the accused, joined her husband in an ante-room of the court. Court Albert Driscoll Cammayer, When Caught With $900 Worth of Stamps, Charged With Blowing Postoffice Safe at Green Cone, Fla, (Special Dispatch to Th» Journal.) MONTGOMERY, Ala., July 31.—Until Albert Driscoll Cammayer *was arrested at Chattanooga last week on a charge of blowing open the safe of the Green Cove, Fla., postofflee, he was leading a double life—that of safe blower and re ligious worker—according to postofflee inspectors who came to Montgomery yesterday to get information about Cam- mayer’s career in Alabama. Cammayer—known in Alabama as Driscoll—had been recognized for sever al months as one of the best citizens of Green Cove. He had gone in the best society. He had formed the acquaint ance of a Green Cove girl. They became engaged and preparations were made for the wedding. One night the postoffice safe was broken open, and stamps and some mon ey stolen. Cammayer—then going under that 'jname—was not suspected. No trace I of the safe blower could be found, j Then Cammayer went to Chattanooga as ; a representative of the Jefferson Pow der company, of Birmingham. BETRAYED BY SUITCASE. Luck went against him. He lost his duplicate check and the railroad refused to give him his suitcase. Cammayer de clared that he could iuentify articles in the case and he mentioned a suit of clothes, a comb and brush and other ar ticles. But he said nothing about $900 worth of stamps which were hidden in the bottom of the suitcase. Then Cammayer decided he ought to make a more thorough search for the check. He w f er.t to this hotel and found the lost slip. But, in the meantime, railroad officials made a thorough search of the suitcase and found the stamps. Cammayer produced the check and de manded the suitcase. Detectives were called and Cammayer was arrested. Postoffice inspectors could not find a postoffice in the Chattanooga district that had ben robbed recently and other divisions w r ere notified. Green Cove’s office had been robbed a few weeks before and investigations showed that the numbers of the stamps in Cam* mayer’s possession corresponded with those stolen from the Florida postoffice. Cammayer denied that he had robbed the postoffice. FIANCEE LOYAL. News of Cammayer’s arrest went to Grene Cove, where he was regarded as an upright citizen. People there refused to believe he was interested in the robbery, and his fiancee declared she believed him a gentleman and she is still standing by him. Cammayer’s fiancee is a daughter of a superintendent of a large plant in Florida, but postoffice inspectors have refused to make pub lic her name. Cammayer was convicted of robbing the safe of Hirscher Brothers, In Montgomery, in 1904. He was sentenced to twenty years in the penitentiary, but was paroled by Governor O’Neal in 3 911, when wardens reported that Cam mayer had been converted and had be come a minister and relligous worker. Soon after being released Cammayer was employed by the Jefferson Powder company, of Birmingham as traveling representative and it is alleged that he used his position to get explosives to use in his criminal operations. Shoots 85-Year-Old Wife And Attempts Suicide MONTVILLE. Conn., July 31.—Albert Rogers, eighty-two years old, shot and killed his eighty-five-year-old wife at their home here this morning, and then attempted ineffectually to end his own life. The shooting aws the sequel to a quarrel. convened, with Judge Roan on the bench, at 9 o'clock. J. M. Gantt was recalled to the stand. “When were you arrested?” “Monday, April 28, at 11.30 o’clock in Marietta. I was released on Thursday of the following week.” The witness was excused. SCOTT TAKES STAND. Harry Scott, assistant superintendent of the Atlanta branch of the Pinkerton detective agency, was called to the stand. “When did you first see Leo M. Frank?” "At 4:30 o’clock Monday, April 28, at the National Pencil factory.” “With whom have you worked on this case ” “John Black, city detective of At lanta.” “By whom were you engaged?” “By Mr. Frank, representing the Na tional Pencil company.” “Tell all about your engagement.” “I went up to the National Pencil company's factory on request, and saw Mr. Frank standing about where the time clocks are. Accompanied, by Mr. Darley and another man, we went back into Mr. Frank’s private office for a conference. FRANK ASKED PROBE. 'He stated that the directors of the company and himself thought that the public demanded an investigation of the horrible crime committed in the factory. He, Frank, had just come from police headquarters, and John Black seemed to suspect him. Then he detailed to me his movements on Saturday. He ar rived at the factofy about 8 o’clock. Be tween 9:30 and 10 o’clock he went to iiontag’s, and returned to the factory about 11. he said. “About 12 o’clock Mrs. White came in and went up to the fourth floor where her husband and Harry Denham were working. About 12:10 Mary Pha gan came in and he paid her two half dollars and two dimes. .She received the money in his private office and when she reached the outer office asked if the metal had come. “He replied that ho didn't know. When she had reached the stairway, he heard voices, but couldn’t tell wether it was a man or two women talking. About 12:50 he went up to the fourth floo* and found that White and Denham wanted to work about two hours longer* Mrs. White preceded * him down tha steps and mentioned that when she cam« in she had seen a negro sitting behind some boxes on the first floor. “At 1:10 Frank went to lunch. He re* turned at 8, and at 4 oclock Newt Lee reported and was told that he could go out and have a good time for two hours. Lee returned at 6 o’clock and about 6:04 Frank left the factory. On the outside he met J. M. Gantt, a for- ! mer bookkeeper, who had been discharg-i ed for thieving. Frank reached home at 6:25 o’clock and at 6:30 tried to get. the night watchman to ask him if Gantt' had left. He didn’t get hin\ then, butj did get him at 7 o’clock. He went to| bed .about 9:30 o’clock. SEARCH IN FACTORY. “After Frank had detailed his move ments, said the witness, he and Scott and Darley went through the factory. Darley was the spokesman, pointing out the supposed blood spots, and the point where the hair was said to have been found. From the second floor they went to the basement through the scuttle hole, where Scott saw the place where the body and several objects were found. Solilctor Dorsey asked Scott if he ob served Frank’s manner when Frank en gaged him. SCOTT SURPRISES DORSEY. “Yes, it was perfectly natural and he exhibited no sign of nervousness.” “How did Frank breathe?” “Between words he seemed to take a dep breath.” 1 Attorney Rosser objected to the ques tion and answer. In reply, the solilctor | said he was surprised by tne evidence j of Detective Scott, and that fie had I been misinformed a4 to ,what his tes- ! timony would be. He then asked per mission of the court to ask the witness 1 some questions to refresh his memory. | This was granted. “How did his eyes look?” "They were large and piercing.” The witness said further that Frank | sighed several times during the conver- ( sation in Frank’s private office. Attor- { ney Rosser entered another objection, I and said that the answers of Detective j Scott were conclusions merely inasmuch' as he had never seen Frank before that time. Scott testified, after looking at Frank; in court, that his eyes looked then as / they did during the conversation. “Didn’t you say to me—” » Attorney Rosser objected. Interrupt- !■ ing. Judge Roan sustained the objec-j tion. “How about his -complexion, Mr. ; Scott?” asked Dorsey. “He was a little pale at that time.” “What pauses did he make in Ihisi conversation?” Attorney Rosser objected, and was j sustained. 0 “How did he give this narrative?”