Savannah republican. (Savannah, Ga.) 1824-1829, July 13, 1824, Image 2

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t Q. by Mr Cubic. Dill Gov. Edward* •s^quevf you l*» mention what fib had s.iiu ly any members of the Senate, or did lie Jiftcrwards inquire whether you had done so? ii He did not. Q Did you'in the ennversaion tyith M Edward.* signify to him that his being or not being the author uf A B. would have no influence .on your vote ? A. 1 dtd not.. JAMES NOBLE Witnesscalled again. Question by Mr Edwards. Please to state the value of each division of the prop* eityyou received at Broukville us secu rity tor the debt of the Bank of Vincennes to the United States. * A. As .to the value, it would be hut mete opinion,and t cannot from recollection name each division of the'property, But, at thd lijiic the property was conveyed by mortgage to the Treasurer of ill. United States, 1 supposed and believed that it Would cover nearly the sum $26,000 ac cording to the terms of the mortgage ( nd the valuation fixed <m the property by two disinterested persons wlio had valued it previously to its being convey -d by th\ owneiis t» attorneys or trustees foi the use of I he Directors of the Bunk of Vincen nes, ami for the purposuof discharging their debts, as will fully appear from a report of the Treaury Department marked F. and dated 29th April, 1822, (-ee Executive pa* pen >f2d Sessi -n of the 17-th Congress.) Q. Whit is its present.yalue? A. (t is impossible iiir "me to state. Q Was it not your opinion, while my no- min ition w.is -pendiniT, and shortly after Ton came to Mr, Qn.-en’s to Irnlge, that there would be uo opposition to it in the Senate ? A, It was my opinion that there would beau opposition—-md you yourself told ttie that there would—but the fact turned out that there was no opposition, for rea sons which you know. You know that the opposition was expected from Col. Benton —and he was s'ck. i did not know what the charges to be brought againstyou were, end I told you v| the same time that if there were no charges brought 1 should vote for ? uu and should not regard political feeling. >uremarked to me that the friends of Mr C'lwfoid would oppose you, I replied That, some of those w hom 1 knew to be his friends would scorn such a line of conduct —I mean, would scorn to suffer political feeling to bias their votes ip such a case. Q. Where‘did the conversation which yo i have testifi.-d us having passed between y m and tnyselt take place? — A. In my room, at MrsQ ieen*. JAMES NOBLE. . Mr John JIuson, sworn, on the part of Mr Crawford. Q. by Mr F .< »ytli. Hove you, nr not, bpil * conversation with Mr Edwards, con cerning the A. D. publication ? and if eo, Stare what it Was. A I had such a conversation with Mr S\|wauis, and. as far as I recollect, it oc curred while his nomination was pending in ihe Senate, and bsi'nre it had been con- Jirioeif, but of this 1 will tint' be positive. II s'ated to me that there would prnb.ibiy be, pc that lie had expected, an opposition ip the Senate, and that one of the ground* of rhat opposition was the authorship .1 die A. B. publications, which hud been itnpu ted to him; that as to that although it was well known that he had taken a decided aland agiitisCMr C; he had done nothing which lie had hesitated to avow, or would fie-iiate to avow, (l cannot be certain which he said,) and (hat his opposition had been open and fair. J. MASON, Jr Mr Mason called again, Q. When you first *»> w me, after I occd • jkeil the hack rop)n of Mrs Queen’s board ing iio i«e, what was the state of myhealth r Ymi were I thought, quite ill. Q’ Was not this shortly after ray nomin ation f A. It was. -> Q Was it at this time that you had the Conversation you have related ? A It was subsequently to this visit Q Had I not then got well ? A You were then certainly much better. J. MAsON. Jr. Daniel P. Cook of the House of Jleprt. Mutative*, swor.i, on the part of Mr Craw ford. Q. Did you receive the address of Mr Edwards to Congress by mail ? and if so, at whai lime? A. I received it on the Saturday next previous to the Monday on which it was Presented to the House, accompanied by a letter through the mail, requesting me to place it in the heods of the Speaker, after supplying some documents which were re ferred to in the memorial, but wece not for warded with it. These documents 1 sup plied, ana, on the next day, did place it in the hands of the Speaker. Q. Was the address itself communicated by uroil ? A. Yes. < Q. Did the address come through mail Addressed to you ? A. No. Q To whom did it come addressed ? A. I submit to the committee whether thi> is a puiper question. £lito committee decided that the ques tion should not be put to the witness.} Q. State whit rensp'n you have for know- ?ng hat it caine by mail at alt, A By the mail preceding that which I JWlievc brought it on, I received a copy of 'jfW*t of the same memorial. with a letter from Mr Edwards stating that he expected ..ythe nextipail to lo'waM it complete; and by the next man l received a second letter from him tinting Hint he mid by that mail forwarded the memorial, as sugges ted tn his, former .letter}' and the person to whom it was sent did early on that day place the ti> emorial in my hands, which was in the original blank envelope, having the post mark id Wheeling upon it, and tli reeled by Gov. Edward*, whose hand wri ting I know? and therefoie I believe that it came by mail. Q Was it opened ? A The seal of tlm envelope had been broken. Q I think it was early in the day that you received both your mvn letter ai d this ‘envelope? A I think it was not later than ten <>’• clock. Q Do you not know thnt Mr Edwards is A. I do not recoiled any other. . . JUUEJdJAll ELKINSl*. , Witness again cdtlctl? Q. by Mr Clink. I>id Mr Edwards, in making the denial you have ref»*red to, use the words "A 11 plot,” or *A JU public-' ations ?” A. I knew of no difference between the two, and therefore do rot recollet t. JEREMIAH ELKINS. irilliain IF Beaton, sworn, on the part of Mr Crautfurd. Q, by Mr Forsyth. Did you ever have n couvetsation with M't E' 1 -' nrds, relative to (ho authorship of the A. B* publications ? A. Mr. Edwards spoke of those papers to iue> incidentally.' He came lo our office, to have,.as he said, a free and frauk con versation. It was Ihefifst time he had been there, to my knowledge, for a year 1 was during the pendency of his nomination before the Senate as Minister to Mexico & not the authorof those A B publications, L l||ie time Mr,Crawford’s report, printed in the Washington UapubHcan, wo# maiJe to Congiess. He wished to know which lie has avowed in his memorial ? A Since I understood lie was the author of them, l have understood fiom him that he was the author of all of those tyhich re late to the snbjoct of this investigation I did understand that .the first number of those publications was communicated to that paper by a different person, hut I have since learned from Mi-Edwauls that he! wrote all of thorn which refer to the sub ject of this investigation, and I know no thing to the contrary. Q Did you, in supplying documents for that memorial, furnish any but printed ooe-? A 1 furnished none others. The rest cainc in the packet. Q Was postage charged on the packet you received? A If there were, I have no recollection of it. I am sure I paid no postage. D. I’. COOK. Mr Conk Called again. Q by Mr Forsyth, Fleas to separate those papers which you furnished for'the memorial nf Mr Edwards, from those which came enclosed tnyou. A I furnished one, and, I am nnt cer tain, but two, of (lie A 11 publications; sod I furnished Nos- 1 and 2 of the documents annexed to the memorial. My impression is that these are all which I furnished. Q you state that the seal of die envelope which was handed tnyou had been broken. Were tho papers within it scaled up and directed to you ? A They were not. I received six or sev. cn newspapers and documents directed immediately to myself, but the memorial wss not, Q What motive did Mr Edwards state to you for sending tire memorial tu you in directly? A He expressed none. The memorial and the letter to the Speaker of the House came in the same envelope. D. P COOK Jeremiah Elkins, sworn, on the part of M> i Crnwfo'd. Q Had you a conversation with Mr. Ed wards about the A, D. publications ? A. I have heard him allude to those publications, and mentinn his being char ged with th$ authorship of them. Q. State what took place. A. I think it was an article in (he Rich mond Enquirer, which led to the reiiiqi k I heard him make; in which article it was stated that “Mr Edwards, of A B plot me mory,” or words to that effect, had been nominated by the President as Minister to Mexico. Mr Edwards observed that he was not the author of those publications; or, as 1 thing the expression was, that he was no more the author than the editor of the Enquirer himself. Q by Mr Cook. Where cml when did this conversation take place? A. It was at Mrs. Queen's boarding house, and during the pendency of Mr Edwards** nomination before-the Senate.— I cannot recollect the particular day. Q. Was any other person present at this conversation ? A. Probably there were others present. I think it was either at dinner, or during the time that the boarders were coming in to dinner. Mr Edwards inquired whether any gentlemen took, or had seen the Rich mond Enquirer, that he understood there was in it an article to the effect stated above, and then made the remark relative to it, which I have mentioned. Q. Can you remenber in what part of Mr*. Queen’s house he then had his room ? A. I do not recollect; Q Did Gen. Noble then board there? A. I think it was about the time Gen. N-‘ble came there—probably within a day or two before or after. Of this, however, I am not certain. v Q Do you remember having any conver sation with General Noble about that ar ticle in the Richmond Enquirer, before the presentation of Mr Edward’ memorial ? A. No, I might have had, but do nor re collect any. Q. Had you the Richmond Enquirer, in which this article was contained, then in Jour possession ? A. It is imposible for me to recollect. The Enquirer was taken by Mr Cook, a member of Congress from Massachusetts, who then lodged at Mrs. Queen's. Q. Did you, at or about that time, hand or shew that paper to Gen. Noble? A. Ido not remember; Such a thing might have occurred without roy recollect- ittu it. ' , Q I* that the only conversation you ev, er h id with Governor Edward* on the sub- juct? he said, if wt* would publish his defence. I asked him what defence against whom ? He replied, thnt he expected to be attacked, and whenever he turned upon hi- enemies, he generally got the belter of them, (or words to that effect.) He farther said, (and this I remeoibur distinctly, for ho twice or tli rice repeated it.) that, when he comnten ced, he never stopped at the line of just re tribution. I answeictl him that, if he was attacked in our paper, lie should have the free use of it to defend himself; that, if lie was attacked any where else, lie should have the same rights ekiended to him, as were extended to all other citizens—-but he cnuld have no positive promise of publica tion, until we had rend the matter which he wished published. Passing then from thnt subject, Gov. Edwrrds said he knew that we had thought him for some time hostile •o us, on acc' unt of that foolish business of of last session, (or that A. B. aflf.ir of last session—Idont r<collect which phrase he n-ed,) bujlie had nothing to do with it- Mr Gales was present during the greater part, if not the whole, rf this coversatiou. It vas od the aulhorify of this conversation nlonef that we expressed in the paper our belief that Mr Edwards was nut the author of the A B. publications. Q. by Mr Cook. Had you not, previous to.this conversation, and to others that you did not believeMr Edwards was the author of the A. B. publicotion* ? A. At the tint? the A. B. papers appear ed ; it did not'strike me (hut Mr E.was the author, and when thcsuhject was continued in the Piankliti GaZetm after Congress had adjourned, and Mr Edwards gone to Illinois, l believed that another member ol Cor gress, was the author. Such being my itmlresMon, l may have stated it, but do not recollect havingdone so. But the con versation with Mr Edwards was the duly authority beyond conjecture, we had for 9tating that he was not the author—nor should we have published the paragraph, bu. for that conversation Q. Can you say distinctly, that in that conversation, Mi Kdwndsdid nnt speak of an imputed pint; and. in saying lie had no thing to do with it, that he did not refer to a plot, and not to the publication ? A I do not dUtincty recollect Gov. Ed wards’s language, except sn for as that it left a strong impression on mv mind, that he disclaimed having any thing to do with the A B busincs, He spoke of it gener ally, and I <io not recollect that he made the distinction referred to in the question now ptiti Q by Mr Livingston. When you speak of the A B bnsiness, the A B plot, and the A B publications, do you not mean the same thing ? A In applying some of those terms, l have used the language commonly ap- (died to thetp all to mean the same thing? Q by Mr Cook; Was not the word “ pin*,” a* applied to this subject, fu st 'used in the National Intelligencer? A I cannot tell* It huo frequently been used in the National Intelligencer; but i believe that epithet was applied to it hy the public as early as it was by the Na< tioual Intelligencer; Q by Mr Edwards. Do you not recoh lect that in the conversation which I bad with you and Mr Gales, I stated that, in consequence of certain rumors about the publications of A B, and what had been stated in your paper abont an A B plot, that l might find it. necessary to say some thing about yourselves, and show that there was no A B plot in the case, at all—or words to that effect? And did not Mr Galea reply ? A Such a remark may have been made, but 1 cannot call it to my recollection. As it seems Mr Gales replied to the re mark, it is possible it was addressed to him, and on this account 1 may not particularly have noticed it. Q In saying, as you have done, that I intimated that I had nothing to do with the A B affair, did you not consider me as rather alluding to any effects it might have upon you, than upon others? A Your object at the time appers to me ti> have benn .to remove any impres sion of your entertaining feelings of hos tility to us, but the concurrent impression whichyou conveyod toiny mind, was, that you were not the writer of the A B j>ub licntinns. Q Was not this an inference of your own from the general scope of the con vernation, rather than from any vipi-es aions of mine ? ' ‘ A Your exact language*! do not remem ber l can only speak with certainty of its effect upon my mind, which is as 1 have stated. We thought the denial Clear, bp* yiusi* that was ihr “gouil Reason,” spokt of in our paragraph, wliicli we -tated our selves to be in possession of, for not be lieving you to bo the author, ‘ . \ Q Did I not expressly state, in connex ion with tho conversation about the A B affair, that I had no intention of injuring you? I think not; because, that wo»ld have been a virtual admission that you were the author—-and we understood you ,to deny being so ({ Do you not recollect my making the following remark; that 1 never was die aggressor in any controversy, and never w -uld be, but that when ntuicked 1 did not know that I always stopped at the ju t hounds of retribution? Jl Of this remark, 1 emember distinct tv Only that part which l have already sla led; but die residue may have been ex' pi eased by you in connexion with it (l In Mr Dickin’s testimony, he men tionedyou as having procured the copying of some of the bank correspondence. By whom was this copying executed, and un der what circumstances? Jl. Bring informed last fall by Mr Lit tie, of this city, that he should be glad to obtain from some of the public unices some clerical employment tu fill up lus leisute time, and knowing that, in time* of prev sure, writing was given Out,by some of the public < ilh'*!9,1 inquired of M> Dickins, in the mouth of Oct. last, if there was, in t c Treasury Department, any extra writing lie could give out. He mentioned that the voluminous bank correspondence, called for by a resolution of Congress, was more than the cleik- in the office could get rea dy, and as others were employed on it out of the office, if I knew of any tru-t-worthy per-on, he w-iuld give him a part of it to do. On my vouching fur the integrity of the gentleman mentioned, Mr D. gavr me a bundle of the letters, which he wished might be copied without delay, as the Be cretary of the Treasury was anxious to transmit the correspondence to 0 ngie-s early in the session. These letters w ri transcribed in thr* e or fou* weeks flnd re turned. Boon after,-Mr Dir kins culled on me,and said he was afraid the oilier per sons would not be able to get the remainder of the letters copied in lime,and asked me if the same gentleman would undertake some more lie left another bundle with me, which were al-n copied. On tliei* be ing returned, 1 inquired if lie could tell me how soon the correspondence would be sent in. He could not say, as (here was yei much of the correspondence remaining to be transcribed. I told him the same gen tleman, and one or two others also, woujd be glad f as much writing os tlity could get I then received from Mr liickins a tid'd, large bundle of thii letters, and they were immediately put in hand I after wards received several messages from M Dickins to hurry the copying as the Jecrc tary was very impatient to sent the corrrs poodence to Congress, and es, after the copying should be completed it would take much time to compare the transcripts with the originals Toward tl^p lat*er part of the copying, I received, every day, a m sage from Mr Dickins, urging <tespntch. me*' as all the rest of, the copying was finished,anti lie was so importunate to have u done, that I was induced to obtain fur Mr Little the aid of an additional person The precise time that this copying was completed, I do not remember, but it was, I think, some time in March- ' \V. W. SEATON. SetSSJ rUKDEtllOK S FELL, Cllt PRINTER SAVANNAH TUt ;l) Y I.VI N1M., JULY 13, 1824, 5«> e tiubiisi,"io u*y a V; y 'iiitca-hiu!,.' tht teatiniday^in the case of Edward* (6 wk S we rcfer*dur •idlers, and particularly ta ttle Twr ' J tcstiiiionymf M* in whirli lit swear.,thu E ’twards, in u^iversa^. with him abuutllr, Crawford, said—h’ 1 tttjdti «jymid. red'him [Mr. <:.] a.hii'trniindetffeoiAiable,‘ um4vigi) iint , offlMMPlRe government; /;c 1ms beuiufoised about the’ W estern banks and the UtiavidUbfc Tunds ;*' and that “no roan in this government could have conducted the fiscal nutl fuunciir I concerns of the government aith m6re integri. t> and propriety than Mr. Utawlord did:” ,i| r B farther remurked—'•! am charged with being I the author of the numbers signed A 11. (ttit.ng his hand,) I pledge you my honor, 1 am not t| B author, nor do I know wlio the author uio In lens than 10*la\s alter malting the shore asseverations, Edwards prefers charges of the I grossest kind against die' seen viry u#the Treasury and openly avows himself lo be tbo null; or * f the “A. B,” publications. A Way with this hypocrite—this thrice conrio | tcdslandeicri SPANISH CLAIMS. The National Intelligencer ol the 3d Inst, eo* tains a list of the nmounts awarded to the vui. I oils claimants under the late Florida Treaty,-1 The list is entirely too long for ourci>)umM,| Persons interested may see the pupei by calling at tills office. It is stated that the whole am juot I of tluse claims have already been tiquidi.ted,| axcept about g30u,00ff. Of the amount '.quid*I t d, more than t o hundred thousand (Mini ha;e been gained by die Ci»vernmcht,bemgtb«| ■mount withheld indue tothe Government oil Custom House llunds, he. by different clain>| ants. * Governor Troup lin. nod an’Executive orj der in which he gives 11 tee to claimants nndei lie 4th article of iho Treaty with the Cteek Ini chans o( the 8th January, 1321, that tbo third inf ■talmer.t has hern r. eived, and will beindd < application, under the regulations heretofot^ established A Northern Print iniormr Us that Tkomm Gj P. CuiUiTnN, I'.aq of this City is spoken’ if ; Minister to Moxico, in place of Mr. F-dwu resigned. The Mitlona! Journal is of opinion that “Nij nitiri Edwards is our nf the most aide and hontd lole men of this or any'other country.” Don’t luugli r< ader A letter to the Editor from the western pit of the State says “with us the number nM Crawford’s friends will hr greater than »t ikj last session ,f the Legislature, How. will Eastern District stand?” To this enquiry wo will merely observe ilit t he will be firm and, unanimous in au.rport i Mr Crawford. She will send no (ran to itpit sent tier who is either luke-warni or uppontd t him, the Charles U. IV. Wharton, sworn, on part, of Mr C,awford. Q by Mr Forsydi. Have you ever find a conversation with Mr Edwards about the authorship of the A B publication ? If ye* relate it. A Yei. I have had a conversation with him on that subject in Dec. or Jan. la-t, at his lodgings, at Mrs. Queen’s. M; E, said that he was not tin* author of the A B (dot; that he did not know any thing abou' it. Q In what manner was this denial made, and in what words,so far as you can recul - led? A. The manner appeared to be solemn; the expressions were—-“He would be d d if he knew any thing about that U tl A B plot.” Q How came he to say any thing about the A B plot? A l called upon him for the purpose nf procuring recommendations to the different Secretaries of the Departmets with a view to obtaining for myself a clerkship, fiesta ed that he was intimately acquainted with all of them, and could gave letters to ail of them, except Mr Crawford, and a letter to him would do no good, for, (to use his own expressions) that heand Mr Crawford ‘‘did. not set horses together;” “ that Mr Craw- ford was under a belief that he was the au thor of the d—d A B plot, the author ship of which he disavowed; and lie con cluded by saying that he considered Mr Crawford a very clever and honorable mart r Q by Mr Cook, Are you certain that Mr Edwarrls, speaking of an A B plot, did not say that he knew nothing of any plot?. A. I have correctly stated the conver sation as it occurred. C. H. W. WHARTON. [To be Continued.'] It is.snid that the degree of A B i e Absolutely Bad, has been conferred on Ninian Edwards by the Committee of Investigatipn at Washington. JtMon Stutesman, It is feared that much damage has been Aon lo the Cotton crops in the up couuliy by the I* drought!!. Gov Troup 1ms issued hL proclamation ofTj ing a reward of g .’00 for the apprehenson ( Murk Combs, ofhaUlwiti county, charged the murder of Alfred Crary. Conibs is five feet, eight inches high, black hair and e>«j small whiskers, has a down look, and is 1 twenty one nr two years of age. Cnriom effect oflighivivg -In noticing*' thunder stoi m m Itallimore, it is Muted ’luj branch of Urn fluid is supposed to have enwf the gaa tube at the Window of Canfield’s tM ry Office, [that building having been struck;]* descended into the pipes, as the g»s light' the offices, stores and city lamps f r< > ,n Barnum’s hotel, on the opposite side, to ueru-st were extinguished, whde the o" 1 candle lights were untouched. This is a curious effect of lightning, Und will doubtle; tract the attention of the scientific. Paul Allen, Fsq. late editor of the He'd® Morning Chronicle,has issued proposalsfufP hailing a new paper to be entitled the “ more Evening Post,” and published three ‘ a week, at go per ann. LOANS.—William H Crawford, Secrctr the Treasury, gives notive, that Books w I opened at the Treasury Office, WashingW J jj day, and continue open to the first of Od for the exchange of stocks bearing an i nlt of 41-2 per cent Certificates are to be rendered at the time of subscribing, bvp$i The old stocks' 1 ’! tors or their attorneys, sunk by the present loan,amount to twen'/J millions and a half of dollars, in six per e®” I 1813. Our laSt bUlyUUll 19 IPWHII —.—i— . J Colombian scitiadron at that place had comP ] its refit, and dropped down to the Barranc^l Was expected to have lefttheris flothedayj'l John Cleve8 Symmes, of,Newport,:'^'1 candidate for Elector>f President oaa ;i President of the U.,S. fir the district m ^ he-resides, and if elected hd wtff vofc Cxiv, as Presiuent. \ . ■hot Iriti |4'l ill let' lir I 151! luc) fill lie s, Il'CHI TOP lira* he si i'n v 8th lief tiour Ion i 9ih tie f'i |u fcnt lOtl Irictii fLibr *;> . llll lar co i I 'M I lit nli lisdoi pr ik .dint I t3th t they [By tl (tewar bn. . My tl -The (fed an rondei 'lytl fur wo <>m si' sum tty tl ; Wajf jmiitr; puntu |.i, dis' sy to i [By M Iminar [My K f nii i u Mriotii Jid fire Itv. ] By M be Unit [Bym. Pguish fan em I fhe F en. D«i h Merc urel fr, |»yn All of [ctituda pineiit ■ be ihi By Jo| ftaraute [C(, [Mr. Ft i the It, [speettu [Btthke [A Lar; I’d Gent! '‘‘spared Monday i Bait on t Ft'.amoi JVt .bad j erasures. c »pt A [""Joiepl V 1st 1 h P m knd.J