Rural cabinet. (Warrenton, Ga.) 1828-18??, January 30, 1830, Image 2

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At the commeucetaent of the present Ses- J Sion; and has been referred in the com notice ou Indian Affair.--.. of which he was a member, and therefore he felt himself justified ia saying, that Committee is ami has been assiduou mMaboraml industry,! in endeavouring to perform the itripnr ant duties confided to its charge, H< there-! fore, rogret'ed, that any portion of the Delegation from Georgia, or any other m tnber of the House should subject tl mselve- to the imputation of stilling the most full, free, and ample investigation u>n this subject, in all its vmiuus bear ing*. As regards the paper which has given rise to this discuss.on, Ins views coinci ded with the g-.ntleman from Soutn ('. r oh 1.1, (Col I) ayton,) arid that of Ins C.d'eagues, Ha consid-red tilts ofli< lous ! ad'd .he petitioner's. [to speik in the nnl t st terms of it.] as an impertinent in termedd e ng wiili other people-, concerns. 1 Urn. Sn said Mr L. 1 would most gl d'.y hear, and carefully examine, nil that can be said, by every individual in the Union, who think with these meinori isN lurludiog ill the tV Ilium Penns of \ t he whole land. I want the whoie suu j fully a. id fairly before Congress. *S I itn not vain in believing that the conduct of Georgia, in relation to the In dian?, in the prosecution ol her rights, wilt not only b justified to th s House, but to nine tenths oft lie people of this Union, if we ran h tve an ample discussion upon the #uhji* t, in all its bearings Instead of a Ge> gi • question in relation to Indians, I wish t ■ p-esrnl to the consideration of thing'ess and the people of die Union, a ay T ,n ji)< plan and policy m relation to th Irdiii.'s which sdi li not only relieve my own State, hut ev ry otiic State and Territory in the ! ,Imou, of tli ir present perplexities in relation to the lights of toe State"—tne rigti's of the Indians, as wen as the rights'of this Government, in reia tion 10 ibis Indian subject. fhejurisdic tion of all the conflicting paiiies must be defined. ATour Committee, upon this subject, arc \Hi;.g their b**t-t ex rtionsto lay before you all tic facts which they cun collect, con neced with tin* subject, and winch are calculated to t:d 10 arriving at a just de cision [ the refme, do liope we shall no* again sulf .r-curst Ives to he ex. iieu into a prem itur discussion of tins sulij.-ct, ty tho*e whose ignorance f he subject is the - mnifest au*e of then- zeal ami for I wardneas. Mr. Spencer, of Saw York, said he owed it to the gentleman from rfoutli Car ol"*., (Mr. Drayton,) to explain tome of h:s former hei vations. When he, [Mi ] was hud said the memorial was, m his opinion couched m decorous language. He meant, it was respectful towards that House, and ha bo lieved hat was the question to be decided there Mr, S said, that so far from wishing f<r discussion n this subject, he really deplored it; and he appealed to the ge.i tlemen from Georgia to bear him out in the a-settion, that he had requested -of them to let the memorial go t>> the Com mittee without- opposition, and conso quo itlv without a painful debate It was a discussion which he had avoid* and as much as was in his power, consistent with his duly to vindicate the character f the niemorialiits. ivhich hud been so unwar rani.iblv aspersed. Ile said the gentleman • from South Carolina, (Mi Drayton) had read the clause* in the inemoiial, which he round or* <1 ioddcor ou•. lie would a>k if the rnemoi ialist*—he would a*k u any ot the free citizen* of vbis Union, had not the right to express their opinions upon any subject of nalium.l importance to this lloiui? Whether they are right or not, said Mr, 8. in the opinions which they advance, still they caoj.ot be debarred the right *1 respectfully expressing those opinions io their representatives. Mr S. said th, ti<n had nut yet come for the in quiry whelhei ihese memorialists weie n ht m their seu'imenis. When the lime does c''ine t said he, for that discussion, it nwrs? be appr< a bed with awe. It is one of great magnitude, and must involve the tnuvt solemn considerations. The only question now for us to decide is whether the memorial is a respectful o.ic m relation to this House/ and if it tvas -not, lie had perhaps conti ibutod to mislead the House, inasmuch, as he had express ed a contrary opinion. Is it ; said Mr 8 fi.tdncorous for a portion of the people to express ihe sentiments fietdy on any t *i;bjecl they may think proper to bring b.t'r<, us or which may already be be* tor> us? 11 so, M, 8 said then aught be .fouxe £ruuud jor the opposition to the re? farence; otherwise no such ground emild ! ei 1, In relation to the me* nor *1 u*elf, and the condition of the Southern Mr. S. said, there at leas', appeared some ! color for complaint, if it was trne, as sta ted, that in the proceedings of judicial irmunals, an Indian** oath was not allow ed against a white man, whilst that of a while man was valid against an Indian. Mi, rs. c included by enforcing the fight which he contended petitioners and me morialists had tube heard upon that floor; arm said when he had stated that the ine mormi was not an indicorous one, he only referred to its relation to tnat House. Mr. Wayne said, he was in favor of the proposition of the gentleman from South Carolina, |_Mr, D.ayton] and fie I shiu id vote with him on the present question. He took this occasion to re i turn his thanks to that gentle an, for the | aand which lie had taken, in in .king his ; motion to lay the subject on the table, and ne should have done so himself bad it not mure properly devolved upon an older member of that body. He hoped the memorial might be rea l, that gentlemen m ght judge for themselves, whether it was cou lied 111 decorubs terms. lie; therefore moved its rtudiig. [The reading of the memorial at length J uy tlie Clerk of tipi House, here took! place. I Mr. Wallary observed, thav he was not; aw.ii e that didiculties could ensue upon the suoject before them \ gre.o: number of respectable citz.ns had meiner alized Coiigit.fioii a .erj important subject; and it nail been said, by the gentlemen from Georgia, that it would be much bet tet ts persons, instead of taking care of the our-iues* of others, would attend 10 their own affairs. But what, said he, are to bo considered as our . (fairs, and what are the iff>rs of tie* n.tlioi 2 Has nm the Presi dent of the Uuitmi States innvsdf, recom mended, m ina message, the subject to th# consideration of the Committee on Indian Affms? And why, therefore, should object ion# be raised to the refer ence of it to the Committee, by those who laid claim to the cliai-icter of genuine Re publicans; i\|r. dUll;tiy proceeded to contend in favor of the ujemurraiisis to admonish, if he might use the teim, the membe. a of the N it-ooal Legislature, up on tha iU‘ject of any public tneasui# tn contemplation, and also to express then opinion to what might be the probabie coiK-equcuces ur results of their decision, lie thought that the citizens of the United tstaifc,, under such circumstances, had ills right not only to their opinion, but aleo to urge their arguments in sup put tot such opiu.ons. Mr- lhompaon cf Georgia, said he ceitainiy did not rise with a view to pro long the debate. On the contrary, it was until extreme regret ho had seen *hat de bate take the range which it had already done. But he deemed it necessary to make some remark", inasmuch as it seem ed to be inferred that he had caused the debate. ■ He said, in justification of his former remarks, although ne was willing to take the assertion of me gentleman liom New York, .Mr. bpencer, as a piuol of their respt ci^biiity, that he had, when he read the ungenerous, illiberal and in decorous language of the memorial, been brought to the conviction, that it was the result of a meeting in a grog shop. If geatb men wou.d take the trouble to ! compare the lung ege and phraseology of that memorial with the (rash which had appeared on the subject in the National intelligencer under the signature of Wj|. j ham Penn, and which had been actively circulated throughout the Union, they ! would find that the writers of the memo i riai had saved themselves much labor by i taking Inc substance, and indeed almost ; the very words ot those essays. Hut an other subject might be tecalled to the at tention ut the gentleman from the north; (Mr. Mallary,) and that was, what had be come, of the six nations. Where were the Ft quods, the Mohawks, the Narra gansets, and the numerous other tribes of the red race, whi h had been swept from the lauds ut their birth? When such facts *dnred ihe. world in Us face, the maxim of “Physician heal thyself ’* tould not be. iu ihe present instance, ill-applied. He depreciated the idea, in conclusion, that his inteuiion in rising had been either to create, or m any measure to prolong adis cussion on the subject before them; on the contrary, he conceived it to be prema ture, and sincerely deplored that it should have occupied so much of the time of the house. Mi Storrs, of New York, said, that, of! course it mu6t be concecevi that there was! nothing in the Subject matter of the ra6 | mortal 1 taelf whieffebu <1 uj „ny possible , construction, be deemed intpropei; and therefore, the only question for their con sideration was, whether the language in which it was framed was decorous and respectful towards the House. Upon this it might, perhaps, be necessary to ob serve that there was so essential differ ence between language as applied to the House itself, and as applied to objects or matters exempt from its jurisdiction and independent of its control. Alter some further observations, Mr. S. asked, if gentlemen on that floor would hesitate to receive or to pay attention to charges against the Executive, of high crimes and misdemeanors; or against the Judges of the Supreme court for a violation of their duty? It such charges were, by any chance, to be preferred, wou-d the members of that House be bold enough to repudiate them without due investiga tion? ihe question before them was of u very different nature from that which ap peared to be imagined. It was not u pe tition f onu group of humble subjects to his most sacred Majesty, but it was the petition of the free citizens of a free Re ; public to then representatives. They 1 say that upon particular matters of pub [lie policy, they hold certain opinions; | and they express those opinions to us. j What is to be our reply? Are we to re ject their petitions? Are we to close our ears to their arguments because those of whom they may complain may be very naturally annoyed by their complaints? With regard to the indecorous and tli-- 1 respectful language alledgcd to be us. and in I the memorial, that argument against the! reception of it might be considered valid, had the memorial in questiou been pre sented to the Legislature of Georgia, upon the acts of which it so strenuously animadverted; but he [Mr. Storrs] saw that with reaped to the Congress of the 1 United Stale* it could not possibly be con-1 sidled disrespectful, inasmuch as it did not *ppjy to thinn. He did not wish toj see hat might he called a violation of i the sacred right of petition, winch it could be said witn propriety, was one of the anchors of our liberties; and with snch an oojeot in his vi#ws, and actuated by such feelings, he coohl not but express his opinion that the Mouse lud moral or constitutional right to reject the memo rial, or to ivju&e to send it to the Committee proposed. Mr. Foster said it was litlle matter now much gentlemen may deplore the a gilation and discussion <f this question. i h y had got into it, nud u was impossible for them to reireat. They might as well encounter it first as last. We have heard much, said Mr. F. on the constitu tional impossibility ot refusing to listen to this memorial, or rather argument, ior he was n favor of calling things by their right names. Gentlemen were mistaken in the name which had been given to the instrument before them; but the gentle man from Vermont, [Mr. Mallary,] has explained the whole matter. The paper is sent here, not only as a petition or memorial, but as an irgument in opposi tion to the views expressed by the Presi dent, on this subject, in his last message to the House, tor his own part, Mr, F. said, he, in common with others, had full confidence in the committee on Indian Adairs, and he did not oppose its refer eoce of the subject to them; but he was desirous ot stripping it of its fictitious character. The many delicate terms made use of in the paper, in relation to ... fjeorgia, and its policy, were sufficient indications of the motives which prompted it, Jt had become fashionable, he said, to lavish abuse upon Georgia and its policy, bmh ii the newspapers and in popular assemblies, and she was now con sidered as fair game—a fair mark for all the shafts of ribaldry; but he could say ot that State, in the language of a distin guished individual on another occasion, the policy of Georgia would stand the scrutiny of talents and of time. Ihe paper referred especially to the conduct ot Georgia; the conduct of the sovereign State oi Georgia, she was glad to see that teim had become more fashion able lately than it was two or three years ago,j m her internal relations—and | contains threats of the vengance of Heaven against her. Mr. F. said, if it was desir able that the sentiments contained in this document should come before this House, the gentlemen who advocated it could express them there without referring them | to the Committee. He said the weakest member fiom New York could enforce jth- se segments as strongly as they iwere seUorth tu the document in question, j | Mr. F. here referred to.the condition t* ; which other States stood unon thU s,, “ jeet; and said, if this sort of i was proper in relatiou to one state, ?( u , equally applicable to others li.j’t said he, would be thought of the ciiiv>ei I of Georgia, should ihey call Uj , o n V , York to make restitution to ih<- | n ,]j \ tribes who once resided within her torri! ry. The doctrine would be cons'iUm*. 7 as monstrous—but now. said Mr. F. t;,. - the memorialists reside in th.? givat oou 4 mercial emporium, they are entitled , all deferential consideration* and r, matter of surprise that their right to iJ terfere in the matter is questumed. \f‘ F concluded by repeating his from opinion-* expressed 111 that H..use U u. the subject of the-itieinorial. Mr. Cambrelliog and Mr. Archer mad a few remarks, when Mr. McDuffie said, that il he discus sion upon the matter weie further p.u longed, he should feel it his duty to unw. that the presentation of petitions on u,. : part of the States which had not yelbcc. called over by the Speaker, be defer,v,j until Monday next He saw no pr spo,., of utility from a continuation of the Uie. bate in the present stage of the atfi . (i ,- and he should therefore move the prev.- ou- question. I be motion wa? carried and th-> rnhi question recurred, as to referring tuj memorial to the Committee on iirdia j Affairs. Upon this, Mr. Reed asked fur the yeas and nays; but the call was not <.• tamed, and the question was, upon a di vision carried in the affirmative. So the memorial was ordered to be refeired to the committee on I.idiaj- Affairs. v-a b i,M-rr.~ IVJiU&RjrruJY. 30. IB3tf. CONGRESS. Accounts from \\ ashing on ii.dicafa a prospect of a stormy and pruuvu .... ed session of Congress. L U s prciiv Apparent that Hie opposition to u.> „o hjinistration will make ihetr grand „•> tack on the Indian questi n, is already some plo-tiug nd plotting for the Presidency, after G.-m Jackson siinil retire from it. Tim Banner of tho Constitution, tho Ilaguet paper, is said to he C.d.ina-. and some of the kn avmg ones a:.y mo Nat. Intelligoncci’ is o„ing round nv Van Boren. Th; frii sf the B of the U. Sta-es are < u tlrrstnu u .t the denunciation ot that nisi iruii u .„ The Tariff and Indianq iesHons a;} those most deeply affecting L .J vital interest of ‘Georgia. As the repeal of the Tariff of IS2B, el even its modification, by the snb.'mi,, tion of that of 1824, no favorabie cal* dilation can reasonably be madt * o,i the Indian question, G-or.-n cause of gratulatiun that tim admin -s* tration will he her ally, and that be/ own moderation has been such as io draw from th* Pi esid’ ut expcession * of great satisfaction—and though V.i* battle will be hot, her cause will ~j. uinph over the craft, cant and si;*:.- politic! jugglers and misguided en thusiasts. A faint idea may be f on;i . ed of the excitement this question ifiJ calculated to produce, from r ( debate on the question „f ing the N. York memorial to the Com mittee on Indian Affairs, whic h we insert, to the exclusion of other rn,./ ter prepared for this paper. Our wh.de representation ii Congress were found at their post, in the faithful and zealous discharge of their duty to their Constituents,* and those who may not have taken so active a part in U 4os debate, were, beyond a doubt, actuat ed from a sincere desire (hat'the ex citement, on that occasion, should h„r be heightened to the injury of thj cause of Georgia, o t * the debate unne . cessarily protracted. y On the subject of amendment of tho Constitution, in rrgnrd to aJtciin - the mode of electing the PicsiiU,i" am f Vice President, and -interiirl 1,,,- provement, ai.d distribution of li o surplus revenue, it is said the Com * raitteo will report as the Imsis of tic former that earl, Suto he divid e into as many distrii tg as it has S,*,. 4 tors • aud pnsentatives, and .