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“From the (London) Gentleman’s Magazine, 1791.
INTERESTING DIALOGUE
Between Dr. Samuel Johnson and Mrs. Mary
Knowles.
Mrs. K. Thy friend Jane Harry desires
her kind respects to thee, Doctor.
Dr. J. To me! —tell me not of her—l
hate the odious wench for her apostacy ;
and it is you, madam, who have seduced
her from the Christian Religion.
Mrs. K. This is a heavy charge indeed.
I must beg leave to be heard in my own
defence ; and I intreat the attention of the
present learned and candid company, desir
ing they will judge how far lam able to
clear myself of so cruel an accusation.
Dr. J. ( much disturbed at this unexpected
challenge said,) You are a woman, and I
give you quarter.
Mrs. K. I will not take quarter. There
Is no sex in souls ; and in the present cause
I fear not even Dr. Johnson himself.
(“ Bravo !” was repeated by the company ,
and silence ensued )
Dr. J. Well, then, madam, I persist in
ray charge that you have seduced Miss H.
from the Christian Religion.
Mrs. K. If thou really knewest what
were the principles of the Friends, thou
wouldst not say she had departed from
Christianity. But, waving that discussion
for the present, I will take the liberty to
observe that she had an undoubted right to
examine and to change her educational te
nets whenever she supposed she had found
them erroneous ; as an accountable crea
ture it was her duty so to do.
Dr. J. Pshaw ! and accountable crea
ture ! Girls accountable creatures ! It was
V her duty to have remained with the Church
Kvherrin she was educated ; she had no bu
siness to leave it.
Mrs. K. What, not for that which she ap
prehended to he better ? According to this
rule, Doctor, hadst thou been born in Tur
key, it had been thy duty to have remain
ed a Mahometan, notwithstanding Christian
evidence might have wrought in thy mind
the clearest conviction ; and, if so, then
let me ask how would thy conscience have
answered for such obstinacy at the great
and last tribunal ?
Dr. J. My conscience would not have
been answerable.
Mrs. K. Whose then would.
Dr. J. Why, the State , to be sure. In
adhering to the Religion of the State as by
law established, our implicit obedience
therein becomes onr duty.
Airs. K. A Nation or State having a con
science, is a doctrine entirely new to me,
and, indeed, a very curious piece of intelli
gence ; for l have always understood that
a government or state is a creature of time
only ; beyond which it dissolves, and be
comes a non-entity. Now, gentlemen, can
your imaginations body forth this monstrous
individual, or being, called a State, com
posed of millions of people ; can you be-
THE MISSIONARY.
hold it stalking'forth into the next world,
loaded with its mighty conscience, there to
be rewarded, or punished, for the faith,
opinions, and conduct of its constituent ma
chines called men ? Surely the teeming
brain of Poetry never held up to the fancy
so wondrous a personage !
( When the laugh occasioned by this person
ification was subsided, the Doctor very angri
ly replied ,) I regard not what you say us to
that matter. I bate the arrogance of the
weneb, in supposing herself a more com
petent judge of religion than those who
educated her. She imitated you, no doubt,
but she ought not to have presumed to
determine for herself in so important an
affair.
Mrs. K. True, Doctor, I grant it, as if
thou seemest to imply, a wench of 20 years
be not a moral agent.
Dr.J. I doubt it would be difficult to
prove those deserve that character who
turn Quakers.
Mrs. K. This severe retort, Doctor, in
duces me charitably to hope, that thou
must be totally unacquainted with the prin
ciples of the people against whom thou art
so exceedingly prejudiced, and that thou
supposest us a set of Infidels or Deists.
Dr. J. Certainly I do think you little
belter than Deists.
Mrs. K. This is indeed strange ; ’tis pas
sing strange that a man of such universal
reading and research has not thought it at
least expedient to look into the cause of
dissent of a society so long established, and
so conspicuously singular.
Dr J. Not I, indeed! I have not read
your Barclay’s Apology ; and for this plain
reason—l never thought it worth my while.
You are upstart sectaries, perhaps the best
subdued by a silent contempt.
Mrs. K. This reminds me of the Rabbies
of old, when their Hierarchy was alarmed
by the increasing influence, force and sim
plicity, of dawning Truth in their day of
worldly dominion. We meekly trust our
principles stand on the same solid founda
tion of simple truth, and we invite the ac
utest investigation. The reason thou giv
est for not having read Barclay’s Apology i9
surely a very improper one for a man whom
the world looks up to a9 a moral Philoso
pher of the first rank, a Teacher from
whom they have a right to expect much in
formation. To this expecting, inquiring
world, how can Dr. Johnson acquit himself
for remniningr vvitlr c Ijuuß
translated into five or six different langua
ges, and which has been admitted info the
libraries of almost every Court and Univer
sity in Christendom ?
[Here the Doctor grew very angry', still
more so at the space of time the Gentlemen
insisted on allowing his antagonist wherein
to make her defence, and his impatience
excited one of the company in a whisper,
to say “ I never saw that mighty lion so chaf
ed before /”]
The Doctor again repeated, that he did
not think the Quakers deserved the name
of Christians.
Mrs. K. Give me leave then to endeavour
to convince thee of thy error, which 1 will
do, by making before thee, and this respec
table company, a confession of our faith.
Creeds, or confessions of faith, are admitted
by all to be the standard whereby we judge
of every denomination of professors.
[To this, every one present agreed ; and
even the Doctor grumbled his assent.]
Mrs. K. Well then, I take upon me to
declare, that the people called Quakers do
verily believe in the Holy Scriptures, and
rejoice, with the most full anti reverential
acceptance of the divine history of facts a9
recorded in the New Testament. That
we consequently, fully believe those histor
ical articles summed up in what is called
the Apostles’ creed, with these two excep
tions only,to wit, our Saviour’s descent into,
Hell, and the resurrection of the body.—
These mysteries we humbly leave just as
they stand in the holy text, there being,
from that ground, no authority for such as
sertion as is drawn up in the creed. And
now Doctor, canst thou still deny to us the
honourable title of christian9?
Dr. J. Well!—I must own I did not at all
suppose you had so much to 9ay for your
selves. However, I cannot forgive the lit
tle slut, for presuming to take upon herself
as she has done.
Mrs. K. I hope Doctor, thou wilt not re
main unforgiving; and, that you will renew
your friendship, and joyfully meet at last in
those bright regions where Pride and Pre
judice can never enter!
Dr. J. Meet her! 1 never desire to meet
fools any where.
[This sarcastick turn of wit was so pleas
antly received that the Doctor joined iD the
laugh; his spleen was dissipated; he took
his coffee, and became, for the remainder
of the evening, very cheerful and enter
taining.]
The Western Spy states, that at a late
sitting of the Grand Jury of the city court
of Cincinnati, upwards of four score persons
embracing lawyers, sheriffs , merchants, bro
kers, bankers, dandies and gentlemen , were
indicted for gambling, contrary to the stat
ute in such case made and provided, and
against the peace and dignity of the state
of Oh io,
GO YE INTO ALE THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE.- Jebus Christ.
MOUNT ZION, (HANCOCK CO. GA.) MONDAY, DECEMBER 3, 1821.
Late Missionary Intelligence.
CHEROKEE MISSION.
From the Christian Watchman.
By extracts from the journal of this mis
sion, kept at Brainerd, and which appear in
the Missionary Herald for November, it
appears that the various operations of the
establishment are in successful progress.—
Some idle and false rumours, prejudicial to
the labours of the mission, had been circu
lated ; but their effects had not been last
ingly injurious, except to the evil propaga
tors. The preaching to the Cherokees is
carried on by means of an interpreter, a
Christian brother whose name is John (
Arch. The Cherokee 9 have lately built a
court house, about 11 miles from Brainerd,
“ which makes a very convenient place for
publick worship, particularly it the warm
season.” Two sisters, who were formerly
members of the church at Brainerd, but
who had been dismissed to a Moravian
church at Oogh-ge-10-gy, visited Brainerd
in June last. The journal represents them
as “ growing in knowledge and in grace.”
They brought a pleasisg account of the
church of United Brethren to which they
belonged, and which numbers 12, besides
the Missionaries. Several others, who had
not been received into communioD, were
considered as hopeful converts. A dona
tion of SIOO to the Mission at Brainerd was
received in June, sent by Gen. M. D. Har
din, a member of a congregation in Frank
fort, Kentucky. This is mentioned as an
event, “ calling not only for gratitude to the
donor, but to the God of all grace, who had
given him a heart to feel for tbe poor per
ishing heathen.” Mention is made of the
fine soil on the margin of the Chickamaug
hah creek, from which good meadows
might be formed; but there was a great
scarcity of persons who understood the cul
tivation of the land, and who could labour
thereon. Two assistant missionaries are
on their way to Brainerd. Mr. Butrick &
Mr. Reece, July 14, went out to the Court
house to preach. The principal chief of
that district observed, that some ofhis peo
ple were criminally negligent in attending
meeting, from their love to whiskey; but
most of them were present, and gave good
attention. Mr. Hicks, a laborious friend to
this Mission, was rapidly declining in
health. He is, however, in a happy state
uT 9Utiuilaatuu itie Ulvtuu will, icjoibiug
in the perfection and wisdom of the govern
ment of God. The following, extracted
from the journal, gives a brief view of tlpe
Mission and School at Brainerd.
“ We have 57 Cherokee boys, and three
boys belonging to the mission family, in the
boys’ school. Eight Cherokee boys be
longing to the school are absent, not having
returned since the vacation. Os girls we
have 30 Cherokees, and three belonging
to the mission, now in the school, and sev
en absent since vacation ; making in the
whole 87 Cherokee children now in school,
and 102 belonging to it. Among the ab
sent scholars, are Samuel Spring , Ann Por
ter, Mary Mason , and Betsy Pa.rk.er, who are
supported by benefactors in our country,
and have received English names. The
parents of these children, having no perma
nent residence, it was sometime before we
could hear from any of them. We have
lately heard, that the parents of the three
girls have gone with them back to the
mountains, about 100 miles from us. We
know no caase for this, as both parents and
children appeared always well pleased with
the arrangement made. We hope to get
them again, as they are very fine children,
and as their patrons must feel a particular
interest in them.
The scholars have in general bees heal
thy, and no disease has extensively prevail
ed in the mission family. Yet our efficient
strength, on which the various labours de
pend, has been greatly weakened by sick
ness and constitutional debility, particularly
among the females at the station; so that,
of the six sisters residing at the mission
house, we have seldom had more than
three, and often not more than two, that
have been able to attend to the school, or
the labours of the family, excepting where
the work was very light. This has render
ed it very difficult, and at times utterly im
possible, to do justice to the female school
and the domestick concerns of the family.
The boys, also, have suffered very materi
ally, for want of suitable persons to direct
them during their working hours. We find
it impossible to hire help in this part of the
country to make up these deficiencies. In
other respects, the prospects of the mission
were perhaps never more flattering than at
the present time. Several of our oldest
boys appear to be under very serious reli
gious impressions: and more of the natives
attend to religious instruction than former
ly. We have hope lor at least two of them,
that they have recently been born of the
Spirit.
A Cherokee Inquirer.
Aug. 4. A Cherokee man, one of the na
tives mentioned in the last sentence, came
to spend a few days with us, in order to be
further instructed in the things of religion.
He has two boys in the school, one of them
named after a friend at the north. Having
no English name, the man himself is known
by us as father of this boy, and ns such
has been mentioned several times in our
journal. As it is probable, from his ap-j
pearance, that we may have occasion to
speak more frequently of him, we shall for
the present call him the Inquirer. He
brought his wife and mother with him.
Sabbath, 8. Mr. M’Farland preached, and
the sacrament of the Lord’s supper was ad
ministered. A number of the communi
cants, both in the mission family and out,
were absent from ill health. Those, who
are able to attend, we trust found it a sea
son of refreshing from the presence of the
Lord. Our small house was not sufficient
to contain the congregation; numbers stood
about the doors and windows. The after
noon service, which is now in Cherokee,
excepting the prayers, wa9 attended by a
number who cannot understand our lan
guage. After the usual discourse, by broth
er John Arch, as interpreter, brother
Reece made a short address, and the con
gregation was dismissed in the usual form;
when the Inquirer, whose countenance bad
indicated the most 9erious and solemn atten
tion through the whole exercise, immedi
ately addressed his people, and spoke at
considerable length with great apparent
ease and animation. All who could under
stand his language, appeared to pay very
serious and solemn attention.
The Inquirer expressed a great desire
to receive further instruction, and intends
to stay with us, and with Christians in this
neighbourhood, till after the next Sabbath.
Experience of the Inquirer.
After the publick exercises, the members
of the church remained for conversation
with the Inquirer, and to decide on the ex
pediency of admitting him as a candidate
for baptism. Most of the members bad be
come well satisfied with him from former
conversation, particularly during the week
past. In relating his experience at this
time, he observed, that what wa9 told him
here some time since, (supposed to be
about 18 months,) sunk down into his heart
—he carried it always with him, and it had
appeared to be growing ever since ; that
he had from that time found himselfto be a
great sinner, and been determined to seek
further instruction concerniog the things
which had been told him ; that he had
found he could do nothing to make himself
any better, but Je9us would take away his
sins, and give him a heart to do right; that
he believed all he had heard from the good
DltxjU nbuut tl*e onJ felt thnt tbe
Saviour was able to keep him in the right
way, and bring him to heaven at last; that
it was his desire to obey all the command
ments of Christ, and to live with the people
of God ; that he felt a great love for Chris
tians, was happy in their company and con
versation, and that it gave him great plea
sure to hear such things as were told him
by us. Brother Reece observed, that judg
ing from conversations during the week
past, he believed the Inquirer had got be
fore him in religion, for he found him able
to answer in every thing correctly, as far
as himself knew. Tbe Inquirer was, by
unanimous vote, admitted as a candidate for
baptism, as was also brother M’Pherson’s
wife, who is the mother of brother Reece.
The wife and mother of the Inquirer,
who have been with him during the pres
ent visit, appear to possess none ofhis feel
ings ; yet they pay decent attention to in
struction when spoken to, and manifest no
disposition to ridicule or oppose.
14. The Inquirer expressed an earnest
desire to remain longer with the Christians
here, but said he had much work to do at
home, and must return. After receiving
some further instruction, and leading in
prayer in his own language, he took a most
affectionate leave of us and departed.
Visit from other Inquirers.
15. A grey headed mao and his wife who
had one son in the school, arrived last eve
ning from a distance of about 60 miles.—
They had never been here before, and we
thought they might have come for the
sole purpose of seeing their son. As nei
ther of them understand English, we in
structed brother John to tell them we would
have a talk with them this morning if they
desired it. They said that was what they
came for; they had not come to see their
son, but to get religious instruction. Some
of their relatives* they said hRd become pi
ous, and were always talking to them about
these things. They believed they were
very good things, and wanted to learn more
about them. The man is an uncle of the
Inquirer who left us yesterday, and the wo
man has a sister belonging to the church at
Spring-place. They appear to have re
ceived considerable instruction from their
pious relatives, and to be somewhat alarm
ed about their situation. As is common
for persons in an unrenewed state, they ap
pear inclined to place some dependence on
their own works, and to think they have
not been so bad as some others; hut from
the great change which is apparent in their
relatives who have professed religion, they
appear convinced of the absolute necessi
ty of a change in themselves beyond what
is in their own power to effect. They
tened with solemn attention to what was
said to them, and the moistened eye mani
fested they were not without some feeling
on the subject. They expressed a deter
mination to make religion the great object
of their inquiry and care.
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I We feel it an unspeakable blessing to
[have a pious interpreter to assist in teach
ing this people, and especially to have one
who is able of himself to teach them many
things ; and we consider it no small tokeu
of good designed for this people, that God
is graciously and wonderfully raising up
teachers from among themselves, not only
here, but in many other parts of the na
tion.
20. The man and woman mentioned on
the 15th, left us this morning to return
home. The five days past they have*
spent either with us, or in visiting Chris
tians of the neighbourhood. Religion
seems to be almost the sole object of their
attention. Seriousness and solemnity are
visible in all their deportment; and, before
they departed, they expressed great satis
faction in things which they had heard, and
declared their determination to walk in the
light which now shone upon them, and to
seek for further instruction by all the
means in their power.
CHOCTAW MISSION.
JOURNAL OF MR. HOOPF.R.
[The falie of the Ohio, which are tlifc only seri'-’
oils impediment to navigation between Pittsburgh
and New Orleans, are thqs described by Mr.
Hooper.]
The rapids are somewhat dangerous to
descend ; especially when the water is low,
as the channel is scarcely wide enough for
one boat. The water falls 22 feet, in a
mile and three quarters. The bottom is
one complete ledge, aud boats are some
times dashed in pieces, and the boatmen
drowned. This would more frequently
happen, had not the courts of Louisville
and Jeffersonville (a large village opposite
L.) appointed skilful pilots, by whom the
boats are conducted over tbe falls for $3
each. The danger might be avoided by
cutting a canal round the rapids. This has
been contemplated, and will probably soon
be executed. The Ohio will then be one
of the most safe and pleasant rivers in (lie
United States. So many disasters have ta
ken place in passing these rapids, that some
of our family felt apprehensive we -might
sustain harm. The ark however passed in
safety. It fell to my lot to aid the pilot Si
boy in getting our small boat over. Just
as we came to the most difficult place, the
steering apparatus gave way. However
the lad and myself succeeded in keeping it
in the channel, till tbe pilot fixed a tempo
rary helm. This he could not have done,
had not a (runnel been providentiajly left.
We tarried two days at Shipping-Port, a
9tna]! town at tbe foot of the falls. Thir
teen steam boats wpre lying here at the
time. They sometimes ascend the fails ;
but generally do not. There are, howev
er, four or five constantly passing to the dif
ferent places between Pittsburg and Louis
ville. About 100 boats, propelled by
steam, are employed in carrying goods and
passengers to and from tbe various places
situated on the Ohio, Mississippi, and their
tributary streams. Previous to the exis
tence of these on the western waters, all
the imported goods, were brought from
the Atlantick States over the mountains.
Now, the mercantile houses are supplied,
to a very considerable extent, from New
Orleans. But the produce of (be country
is still carried to market in arks and keel
boats. During the autumn and winter,,
perhaps not less than 200 or 300 a month,
enter the Mississippi loaded with all kinds
of produce. The arks will carry on an
average, 50 tons, or 500 barrels of flour.
Keel-boats carry about the same. Arks
cost SIOO each, and being unmanageable
against the current, are sold for a mere tri
fle at New Orleans, and (he men return in
steam boats, or by land. Keel-boals, or
barges, are forced against the current by
means of poles, being kept near tbe shore.
In this way hundreds are made to pass the
distance of 2100 miles, from New Orleans
to Pittsburgh. They descend in six weeks,
but retrace the distance in not less (hap
five months.
[The writer communicate* reveral other geo
graphical notices, which we have not room to in
sert, and mentions several instances of liberality
to the mission from individuals in different place*
l on each side of the river. The company entered
the Mississippi on the 4tb of January.]
We bad many precious and interesting
seasons, while floaling down the Mississippi.
Some events occurred peculiarly so. One
Saturday afternoon, several arks were de
tained by adverse winds, one of whose pi
lots came on board. I inquired es him if
his meD were accustomed to use profane
language. He replied, this was universal
ly the case with boatmen. I then interro
gated him as to the probability ofhismen , i*
reading a tract. He supposed they would
not. I however gave him several, among
which was the Swearer’s Prayer;” say
ing to him, I hoped the perusal might be
everlastingly beneficial to him and his com
panions. The next day being the Sabbatb,
we remained; the other boats proceeded.
We however overlook them in 3 or 4 days,
and again landed in company. The same
pilot observed to our pilot, that his men had
agreed & resolved to quit profane swearing,
and that he had not heard any thing of the
kind among them since; and added, that it
was the request of his men to atlend meet
ing in our ark that evening. This request
wa* joyfully complied with > and the crew#
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