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SAM I. J. JOHNSTON.
Hon, Benjamin 11. Hill Jnlef
view eel by the A. V. lie raid.
Atlanta (la., June 2.3, ISI I.
Only three slant years ago it would
have liet it impossible to iittd the State
<>(' Geot gi a, or even in Texas (where
it is claimed that tlie fire eater bleed
has readied its li:gl.( st degree ot per
lection) a more
El AT A AT YANK KK HATF.H
than Mr. lieu. Hill. In old limes he
had been a WLig, and was a Union
man when access - o was voted upon
by the Slates; but im courier had the
war begun than he became lite most
extreme paitisian of “lust ditch and
man” theory us continuing the strug
gle. The surrender of Lee and Joint
aton seemed only to fui tlier iutl nnu his
patriotic ire. In the first few elections
after the war he stumped the State
against reconstruction, and made no
secret of his purpose to renew the
tight against the invader at tin; first
convenient season. Some of his tirades
at this period make one shudder by
their blasphemy and inhumanity, and
can only be charitably excused on the
ground of temporary insanity. In
slioit, for seven or eight years Mr.
Hem llill was as dangerous and rapid
a specimen of
A REUEI. MONOS AMC
as could be found in tiro “fierce and
tickle” South.
In the year 18(18, however, Mr. llill
subsided into private life, and after
three years’ retirement seems to have
perfectly recovered his reason. lie
has dining this time been vigoiously
at woik building up his material fors
tunes, lie now employs about a hun
dree and fifty negroes on his planta
tion, and is a railroad director, and
has something to do officially with a
bank or two, and amuses himself gen
.orally with the distracting hopes and
fears cf a capitalist in active business.
And in his case, as in so many others,
a course us money making lias proved
a salutary remedy for political infla
mat ion of the brain.
About iast December, Mr. llill again
came politically to the front, and an
nounced that the war was over and
that it was politic and wise to “accept
the situation.”
A HOWL OK INDIGNATION
was set up by Hob. Toombs and Lin
ton Stephens and the test of the Hour,
bon Democracy, but Hen stood firm,
and to-day is the most sinccic and pro- |
jnimntt defender in the State of the I
“New Departure." And, although lie
is still a young man, of about forty
five, his fine abilities and easy, persua
sive Historic and energy cm
ineiUly' .qualify him L> Yrgarilzc the
young riien of the &#tc into a yN* >\
otis party and crush iimlhe ofd f4gy
politicians, who still breathe
and slaughter, nut.only against “Rad
ieal despots,” but also against “uiibciu
pttlous, time-serving Democrats.” Al
ii adv, combinations to tliis end ate be
jug made, and tlie elements of reason
and order and peace in Georgia will
most probably be united in 18“ i
against extremists and soreheads of
all kinds, whether scalawags ot Hour-
Lons' But as 1 - tliis I had’bctter let
Hen speak fur h .self, by reporting an
interesting conveisatiou I bad with
him yesterday morning in Iris parlor at
the Kimball bouset
“iiow will
THE NEW DEPARTURE
affect tlie Georgia Democracy, Mr.
llill said V *
“Much the same way, I think, that it
will affect political parties all over
the Union. I saw this new platform
coming mouths ago, and stood upon
substantially the same ground last
Decciubi r ”
“You now frankly‘accept the s:!u
atiuti,’ us the phrase goes ?”
“ Yes. Ido not accept it, of course,
because 1 approve Jhe recent legisla
tion of Congress in itself, buAdvccause
1 see that opposition will only lead us
l further away fiorn justice aud free*.
I “What you six Won tbs ago
t to form opiiiiuiY?”
' “ I saw that the masses of the North
ai*jl South were tired of the and
of ai< issfies growing out ofwt, and
gladly lc*Vthem drop forever in
to silence if things\verc
%st u'S-qhey- stead.”
“Don't ybu''tliiukNhat thpse »*\ai
great deal of trptji in the charge now
• so frequently made that this ‘new ds
partaireimakes the t«gi paities exactly
alike iu * \
• Certainly uot. V. e* must lOoIMA-
VOL. 1.1
yond their mere avowed platforms; we
must take aiso into consideration 1 the
SPIRIT THAT ANIMATES
them Now, tlie radical party, from
tlie beginning, has been a revolution
wy party Its leaders have not pro
fessed to regard the constitution as to
the supreme and unalterable law of
tlie land. Study its history and you
will ba startled to notice now constant
ly it lias gone beyond—yes, even di
rectly against—the course it lias pledg
ed itself to the people to follow.—
Look, for instance, at tliis Fifteenth
Amendment. There could lie no more
flagrant instance of political dishones
ty than that measure. Fearful that
negro suffrage would be too heavy a
burden to carry successfully in the
X. rlli, the Republican party in sever
al States made it a seperate issue and
let the people vote upon ;t by itself.—
It was everywhere voted down by
overwhelming majorities—iu Ohio, Il
linois, Indiana, New Ilainpsli re and
elswhere. But I had no faith, even
then, that the Radicals would respect
the verdict thus given, and was not
disappointed when they imposed tliis
same unpopular measure upon the
North and South alike, by an amend
ment to the constitution.”
“If the Radicals win the next elec
tion, then,
HI I.V WILL ADVANCE
still further upon the path of change
and revolution.”
"Precisely. And the real question
to be decided in the coming campaign
is simply this:—Whether the revolu
tion that we are now passing through
lias gone far enough, or whether tlie j
Radical party shall bo allowed to go j
on until they have sueceded in cliang- j
ing the form of the government —as
they most certainly intend to do.”
“What—make an empire ?”
"I don’t suppose they have any clear
idea of what they are doing—most of
them have not, at any rate. But noth
ing is so certain a- that republican
institutions are now in tlie crisis of a
terrible danger. For my part, indeed,
I fear that they are already practical
ly overthrown. The country is in tlie
hands of tlie bondholders and a few
score of politicians. I don’t believe,
even if the Democratic party were to
win the corning election, that a Dem
ocratic President would be allowed to
outer the White House. I rr.ay be
wrong; but I cun sec the
lIA.NInWKUTNIJ ON THE WALL !
and eypry few months my conviction
is streiigthefiffd by some new aggress
ion upon the liberties of tlie people.*'
“Suppose jjJoffman, or Hancock, or
Hendricks* Were elected, Low could
they be kijpQbut ?”
\ would be more simple.—
In tiro first place, however, 1 believe
Hy- next election will take place in
every State where Radical victory is
doubtful under the bayonets of Gener
al Giant’s soldiers.”
“Hut tlie people would never submit
to such an outrage. Only the most
strenuous exertions of tlie Democratic
leaders last November prevented an
outbreak in New York city.”
“I know it, for I was in New York
at the time, and went there for the ex
press purpose of what would
happen. I saw Ihcnuemocratic leaders,
and told them that upon their decision
hung the moss important Issue that
could tie raised—the light of the
United States Government to interfere
in elections. I wnirncd them this
was
BIT A FEINT,
and if ihe Republican leaders found
that the people would submit to so
(.loss and unbeard of a violation of
their freedom, they would embody the
principle in the Constitution by au
amendatory act. There was no whis
per of a Ku Kiux bill then phut I Knew
that this attempt iu New York was in
tended merely to see how much the
people would endure without fighting.
If the people submitted, they would
go further. No wonder that they said
to Governor Hoffman. ‘We don’t want
to cany out this thing in an-offensive
nianuei; so long as yen don’t dispute
our right to be here wc will staydn
quarters and not obtrude our&.vcs be
fore the eyes of the people.’ They
simply wanted to say iu thS future,
vyheli it became necessary .to exercise
same right for a real aneTnot a for
vnal put pate, -‘\Ve arq doingjjotbiag
k that we have not cone before.’ ”
“What
•• . .OUGHTGOVERNOR HOFFMAN . N
toVave dope then V
FAIRIiIJRN, GEORGIA, FRIDAY, *1 ELY 14.1871.
“He ought to .have at once said to
General Grant, ‘You are violating an
immemorial and hitherto undisputed
rigtit of the citizens of the State of
New York—tlie light to hold their
elections without federal interference.
You must not bring your troops for
tliis purpose into tlie State; if you do,
we sl.a’l resist you by force, and upon
your bead lie tlie shame and the guilt
of tne blood that may be shed.’”
“That would have begun another
war.”
“Not at all. If tlie Radicals had
llnis been brought to a full stop the
Federal authorities would have retreat
ed. The masses of the people all over
the country would have sympathised
with Now York; for, of course, there
was never a more open outrage upon
American liberty. There would have
been no fight, and Hoffman would
have become the champion of freedom
and republican institutions. But he
lost the companionship; it ie now con
ceded that Federal bayonets are part
of the machinery of an American elec
tion and tliis fatal concession lias been
engrafted upon our laws by the Ku-
Klux bill.”
“But that hill was not passed avow
edly for any such object.”
“Os course not. But you will find
WHEN THE ELECTION COMES,
that the Radicals will claim openly
that, that bill has changed tlie char
acter of the Government and has made
the Federal authority supreme in every
sense. They will probably make the
tiling acceptable to the people by pas
sing resolutions in the House such as,
‘Whereas the threatening return of the
Rebels to power will endanger tlie
safety of the Union and render fruit
less the sacrifices of a terrible and
bloody war; and whereas self-preserv
ation is the first duty of the State as
of an individual; therefore be it resolv
ed, that the President be requested to
exercise the authority vested in him
by the Ku Klux bill to prevent cop
per liead and rebel frauds, etc., in the
corning, election. ’ ” ,
“That would be ‘loo thin,’ as wc say
in New York."
“These men are desperate enough
to do anything. But supposing the
election goes against them—which, as
1 have said, I think they will adopt
precautions to make iinposrible—even
then tlie Democratic choice for Chief
Magistrate will not take his scat. —
A last appeal to tiie passions and
fears of the people will be made: a
similar preamble and resolution to
those 1 have briefly suggested will be
passed, with an additional one declar
ing
GENERAL GRANT DICTATOR
until it is safe, in the judgement of
Congress, that somebody should suc
ceed him.”
“That is a gloomy view of tlie fu
ture."
“1 hopa it will uot he verified.—
BuLAliese men have no respect for
lilxMy, and are just aa much opposed
to the fundamental principles us free
institutions —which is, of course, that
ma jority should rule—as was Jeff
Davis and the clique of secessionists
who carried the South out of the Un
ion.
But our people would certainly re
sist. any such high-handed tyranny as
tfrat.
Don’t trust to any such illusion as
that. The Northern people will never
ix.fcj.st. Indeed, if lam not mistaken,
R*e powerless to do 6o: '
“But New York State alone could
men that are at the orders
of ilic Federal government, and within
21 hours. You surely forget how very
small a force, comparatively, is the
army of tlie United States.”
((The not resist, because
THEY LEADERS
of Courage and .resolution sufficient to
give them the signal. Ihe Democratic
leaders are rich nffli, and
largely interested In preservation
of order. They shuddered iu Novem
ber when I advised tlutffii to take a stand
against Federal onpressiou. And when
the critical moment rpAu arrives they
will again back down Besides, it
WQJjld be revolution to resist now. Last
November they, could have.resisted
witlrthe sanction of law; now they are
bound baud and foot'by this new bill,
which confirms the Federal authorities
M&military usurpation,add enables them
to do anything they please, with tye
full cover of law and right. No, there
will Lc no resistance. If the Radicals
stand firm as they have done in the
past, and as they will probably also in
tlie future—for a revolutionary party,
is necessarily governed by the most
violent and audacious of it- members—
no Democratic President will ever enter
the YFliile House. The Northern people
rejected negro suffrage, but allowed it
to be forced upon them. And they will
submit to anything, no matter what, so
long as it has the' color of taw, rather
than resist the Federal government by
force.” "
“But to keep out a legally elected
President would he piling on the agony
a little too heavy.”
“Well, wait and see. That is my
opinion. There is some hope still, it is
true. Many Radicals arc beginning to
see what their associates are aiming at,
and are
DRAWING BACK AGHAST.
But then again, there is a strong
party North who are not at heart in
favor of Republican institutions and
who would gladly support a perpetual
President. They are the men of prop
erty and bondholders, who are forever
talking about a strong government,and
the army officers and all men who hold
Government positions would side with
them. Os course, if our Government
is changed, the men who are now in
office and who now lead society will
hope to make their present superior
footing permanent. Large capitalists
find themselves even now threatened
by universal suffrage and free institu
tions. Don’t you think they would
prefer a Government which
RULES BY THE BAYONET
to a government which rules by ballot ?
A strong government will conciliate
property, tlie Church, everything with
which it can form an alliance; and the
masses of the people, without leaders,
will submit, at least for a time.”
“There is but scant hope for us,then? 1 '
“There-is a hope, though not a very
strong one. I hope the next campaign,
as I have told you, will be fought on
that one issue—as to whether tlie revo
lution we have passed through shall
now sn'V sho band wo harU these
Radical exfrer lists,who wish to enslave
ns; on the other, wo Lave the old fire
eaters, w who are equally unwilling to
submit to thfc rule of the majority. Wc
must make a last determined elf ut, it
wc are good American citizens, to unite
all friends of liberty and justice, upon
tlie new platform of ihe National Young
Democracy. That platform is simply
that our institutions shall remain as
they arc now. Perhaps many of us
dislike recent Congressional legislation,
and may at any rate think thatMho
manner of its passage lias not been
according to due form of law. But
what has been done can never be un
done; it is idle to expect it; it is fool
ish to hope ; t. For the sake of escaping
* THE RERRim.E PERIL
that now threatens ns, I say it is true
patriotism to solemnly pledge ourselves
never to disturb the past. If tlut
pledge is given, the masses of the peo
pie, no longer doubtful about the per
manence of the Union oi Nits, honor of
the flag, will open their eyes to what
is now tin true issue of the contest,and
will see that they arc on the eve of los
ing their birthright of self government.
“Do you think the Southern people—
the masses of them—-are likely to ac
cept tin's new programme ?”
“ 1 think they will. Personally, the
course ! have recently taken has ex
posed me in violent abuse from the men
whom the Herald calls the Bourbon
-Democraco. They have attempted to
politically ruin me by calling me Radi
cal, and by saying that IVhatige my
opinions for the sake of getting uji
office. Now, no charge he more
unfounded. There is
A DEM’GO/
between all honest boothorri men and
the Radical party, wfrfch can never he
bridged over.” * •
“A gulf of what character ?”
“ Why, its revolutionary character,
its unscruptdousness as to means, so
long as it gains its end; Its gross in
difference to good gild'llnb’irt, in dis •
franchising nearly all our bust cit zens,
ami in handing ns tb the'pin tear
ing mercies of bad and corrupt mem;
the spirit that animates it.”
“There are whispers of a remodeling
of existing parties in tliis State.”
“ Yes, there are signs of susti ”a'
movement.”
“ Under what name will tlie
■izatiou take place '( It is said that Joe
Brown and Bullock are very moderate
and couseivalive in their licpubkcau-
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ism. Will the aceept-tlie-situation-
Democrats go over to the conservative
Republican party, or how f”
“Certainly, no Democrat, whatever
his views are, can ever in any way join
the Republican party; tlie name is 100
odious. There will he an attempt very
likely by Bob Toombs and Stephens to
drive men of my stripe out of the De
mocracy,hut we shall make a hard fight
over it. 1 am confide!!t Toombs and the
n: ST OF THE T IRE FAT! R:t
have no very great strength among the
people. They belong to the past, and
the new generation that is springing
up, while it respects them as men, has
no confidence iu them as political lead
ers. 1 hope that we shall he success
ful in carrying tlie State in 1812 for
this accept-tlie-situatiiin party—this
peace party- -which, as 1 have told you,
will probably include all the best men
iu the entire country. Such Republi
cans as Trumbull and Shtirz can have
no pus ible objection to joining the
Democratic party, if it relinquishes its
old dogmas and purges itself ol' the
secession element. Then the conserva
tive Republicans will have to join the
young Democratic party.
“ Yes. This is one thing about the
South wliiuli many people North do not 1
sufficiently bear in mind—that is that
secession principles never commanded
the entire vote of the Southern Stales.
The old Whig party, and later on the
Union party, were probably stronger
than the believers iu tlie Calhoun doc
trine of unlimited State sovereignty,
and that same party exists still,though
it lias been forced to keep in the same
organization with the fire-eaters. The
Republican party made its
GRAND ERROR
iii thus uniting all the white men of the
South in a solid and compact opposition
against them. If they hud shown good
political generalship they might at the
close of the war have split up our peo
ple into two camps thrown them back
into the position they occupied before
the war. But now it is too late for
the Republicans to succeed iu any such
aUeuijit. Ti.i fficmocratie party Scut!:/
however, contains elements of division,
and I ti u it iu the coming campaign all
good men and true—all moderate and
law abiding men—will vote for the
platform adopted by the Pennsylvania
ui.d Ohio Democracy, and the fire eaters
be pitched overboard.”
You don’t think, tli-en, that the peo
ple South still cherish any very strong
sentiments in favor of disunion?”
“ There are two things which it ig
conceded on all sides have been settled
by the war—the doctrine of the right
of secession and human slavery. There
are not a thousand men South, in my
judgment,., who tyxtuld attempt to dis
turb those issues.”
“ There J-
NO LURKING FEELING
that they woull go out oj- the Union
they got flic chance
“J dollar think so. The old leaders,
! of course—men like Toombs, whom,Ly
| tlie way, *1 respect and admire very
j highly u-s;r man, apart from his politics
—would like to sgiif Southern indepen
dence an accomplished fact; but if there
could bc4ui unbiassed electiqjg to-mor
row I don’t think secession would carry
the South. There is cue thing, how
ever, which H' is absurd to expect—
that is, that we who fought for the Con
federacy and lust our kinsmen, many
of us, in the struggle, should now come
forward and say that we are very glad
! wo liavo been whipped. That is too
much to ask of human nature.”
“And slavery—”
“ 1 God from the very bottom
that it lias been abolished.
I was a slave owner, and yet I see that
slavery was the terrible curse that
blighted our land and kept it so far
behind in material development. 'lhe
war has brouglij/fq'on us much sufier
iug and misery ajj*4 oppression, bql the
abolition of sh>vmy is worth it all. —
j And when 1 back and sec that
neither North mus South intended the
war to result in.such a social revolu
tion,l recognize—and I say it rcvcieut
vV -
V THE HAND OP PROVIDENCE.
“Y u believe, then, that free labor
| is the best, if not the cheapest ?”
“It is the best and cheapest. Os
| course it is the cheapest. I now cm
-1 hundred and silty negroes,and
j get along with ( In the
! old day v s, when I owned staves, I had
to watch over their' entire life,—
j There was no conscientious slave owner
! who lid nut I'cel it'llia duty to see that
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the negroes lived dueeirfij' iv.id well,
morally as well as physical! ly, audit Li*
was a responsibility that weighed very
heavily upon the minds of gocuMueo.
Now, most of that responsibility in
lifted from our shoulders, and even il
free labor were a loss to us, it-would
be infinitely preferable. Hut It In mat
a loss; it is a very considerable gain.'’
“The negroes work well, then?”
“The negroes are doing splendidly..
1 have teen agreeably disapjiumJud c».
ihem." 1 confess i feared t-lievo would
be trouble. But there is -no difficulty
in managing them if a man exercises
sound discretion and treats them l.iiik'
Perhaps iu the future, however, negro
labor may deteriorate.”
" How is that ?”
“ Well, I am unable to •decide bow
much of the present good v.onJ-0.-t ill
the negroes is due to the
HABITS OF ORDER
and industry and subonlination they
acquired in slavery, ai.d how much
comes of their inately good ami ,cun
tented nature. 1 am afraid tlie tcesat
generation will be more troublesome
than this. Mau is but a bundle of
habits, and we trained the Colored man
under slavery to a certain routine u!
labor and life, and he is now unhappy
when he strays out of it. The rising
colored generation is, 1 fear, lazy at.d
worthless and vicious: it is the young
negroes who steal and lout about and
figure in the police eo-urto.. But s-uili
cient unto the day is the evil thereof.”
“ Education will, perhaps, counteract
the temptations of freedom !”
“ 1 trust so. But that is a groan
question.”
“Is there any truth in the report that
A RAILROAD RING
contemplates politically running ihe
State.”
“ None that I know of. I think rail
roads and polities oegkt to-be kept dis
tinct. fine is business, tlie other sumc
lliing else. 1 don’t believe the railroads
will take any political action unless
they arc politically attacked. 1 lien
they may be forced, lor the sake ol self
preservation, to take a hand, and, ot
course, there are signs now x,ad then ut
an antagonism between tlie twin”
“Looking at Georgia it seems scarce
blc she can escape tlie fate of Jersiy
and other States. \\ here the railroad
interests are so strong and union so
easy and profitable, don’t you look upon
it as probable ? A temptation so great
will probably be yielded to ?’’
“ Hie temptation is great,4 -ut it will
come in the future if it ever come at all.
There is no present scheme of .the kind
to my knowledge.”
Weeding and wailing, hit no crash
ing of teeth! —Terrible times in Wur
rcntoii, Yu., are thus described; “A
few weeks ago, a dentist came to town
and advertised that he would remove
alLof a person’s teeth for $2, and -in
sett q for |1«, besides giving
six moißlis’ crcHjt, The Warrenton
people are ' fond bargains, so
there Whs a rush for the dentist’s office.
He was busy for two weeks pulling
teeth, and at the end of that time, half
the people had empty gums, and a bone
dust factory in lliC neighbui.boofi
doubled its number workmen so as
to grind up the toothy While the peo
ple were waiting dentist to (fit
them with their new sets,the übaiTdorftd
scoundrel eloped with the hotel kyep- '
er’s wife, and now there* arc two, or
three thousand people in town gw<lie.,
cannot cat anything tougher than suuj/
or farina. A*ll the butchers have failed,
and not a cracker lias beep sold for sii:
weeks. One man, il is said, whittled
out a set oT wooden teeth for himself;
but the first drink ol whisky lie took
Warreiitou jvliisky —set them ablaze,
and his funeral came oil Joe next.day.
The dentist will hear of something
greatly to his ad vantage, if he comes
back.”
• r-.-
“Can’t Run it Out.”— ‘Don't wiite
there,’ said a father to his son, who
was writing with a diamond on his
window. ' .
‘Why not?’
‘Because you can’t rui/ii out.’
Did it ever occur to you, my child
that you are daily which
you can't rub out ? You nyade a cru
el speech to your mother .to-day. It
wrote itself her loving huurt, and gave
her great pain. It is there now, and
hurts her every time she thinks of it.
You cau’t rub it cut. /
You wished wicked thought owe
day iu tlie car of
wrote itself on Ids inmtl, and led him
to a wicked act. It i.-rtheic now; you
can’t rub it out. J
All your thoughts, all your words,
and your acts are written iu the Book
of God. He careful. The record is
very lasting. You can’t rub it out.
—Marietta Journal.
Miss Carluttu I’atti will soon return
to life United States.