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i ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NEWS, SATURDAY. MARCH 38,1907. i ww ; wm.wvmn* *m w HARRY’S NAPS WIN FIRST GAME IN CANTER SPORTING PAGE EDITED BY PERCY H. WHITING B7 PERCY B. WHITING. Well, it *u an awful drubbing the Cracker* took Friday bnt don't you care. Friday i» an unlucky day anyhow. And then we don’t have to tackle a collection of batting phenomenon* like the Larripura after the eeaaonopena. Ante-season games don’t mean anything anyway, and that one Friday wasn’t intended to be taken seriously. Even Hilly Smith laughed at it and when Hilly smiles over a losing game you can take it from us that it’s all right. gai joie and Terry Turner made errors. Things like that do not hap pen 6ften. Sweeny did not make but one hit, but it waa an awful welt he hit the leather. The ball went to the fence and if Ed hadn ‘t fall en down in his haste to reach second he might have sneaked home on it. f It’s something awful to contemplate—the way those Naps tear off hits—bits for—bases is enough to put any team on the blink. Are the Naps stronger than the Yanksf Or are the Yanks—f Bnt what’s the usef No good discussing that until both ag gregations have passed up to the still frozen north. They are all our friends and we wish them well. Undoubtedly, though, on present form Cleveland has it over the Highlanders. But that doesn’t prove anything. Griffith’s infield is all shot to pieces while Lajoie has the all-star cast which is the wonder of modern baseball." Larry him self, Turner and Bradley are hard to beat and Stovall is pretty On the infield proposition there is no doubting that the Clevelanders have the best of it. In hitting also they are stronger. The outfield is another matter, though; and so is the pitching staff. And anyway it is a matter of luck. At the first of the sea son the Cleveland club usually looks the best in the league but misfortune has camped on ita trail year after year and all at tempts to win a pennant have failed. 7 t Here’s luck to Cleveland this year—and to New York, too. And may the beat team win. Liebhardt had hard luck in having the first base on balls scored against him Friday. Ehman had pitched three balls when Lajoie yanked him out of the box. It was up to Glen, therefore, to slug the first one over, or have a base on balls chalked against him. He failed and O’Leary walked. Ehman, by the way, is not a Cleveland player at all. He be longs to Akron, Ohio. He is just traveling with the Larry’s to get the experience and the spring training. Doubtless if he ripens well he will get a trial with the Cleveland team next year. FINE DEBUT FOR LARRYS Cleveland Showed Mid-Som mer Form and Slaugh tered Atlanta. Thr dr but of the Cleveland team of the American league In Atlanta yes terday wna brilliant—for Cleveland. The erore was II to 0. Help! The Nape played In marveloua form for this lime of the year and look like aure pennant winner*. Thlelman. the twlrler, who hue been with the St. Lou la Cardinal*, Indianapolis and aome few other team*, opened for Cleveland and let Atlanta down with two hite In five Inning*. Then Ehman. the Akron player, tried It In the box, but hie arm waa anre and Liebhardt re lieved him. The ex-Meinphl* pitcher eucceeded In continuing the blanking proce**. The score: Cleveland. Bay, cf. . . . . Birmingham. If. Stovall, lb.. . . Lajoie, 2b. . . Congalton, rf. . Bradley, lb. . , Turner, aa.. . . Clarke, r. . . . Thlelman, p. . Ehman, p. . . . Liebhardt, p.. . •Perrlng .... ab. po. a. e. I 1 Totals .36 11 13, 27 12 Atlanta. Becker, cf. . Wallace, rf. . O'Leary, lb. Paskert, If. . Castro, 3b. . . Ball. sa. . . Bweeney. c. . Hoffman, '3b. Bpade, p. . . Bchopp, p. . Totala Score by tnnlnga: Cleveland .... Atlanta Summary—Two-baae hits. Lajoie 2, Turner, Congalton; three-base hit, Sweeney; home run. Stovall: stolen bales. Stovall. Perrlng, Turner; sacri fice hits, Bradley, Congalton; double >laya, Hoffman to Ball to O'Leary, La- ole to Turner to Stovall: tint bane on balls Spade 1, Bchopp 1. Ehman 1. Liebhardt 2; hit by pitched balls Spade I (Lajoie, Thlelman, Bay), Ehman 1 (Bchopp); struck out, by Spade 1, Bchopp &. Thlelman 11, Liebhardt 1; wild pitch. Ehman. Tima, 1:46. Um- pln, Lafltte. JUST BALLOONING. Going Oownl No. Larry Hoffman has not Just fall en nut of an- air ship. He has merely gone up after a high throw. It looks aamewhat aa though he had been try ing to Jump over the grand aland. But not *o. MAY CATCH TODAY. THE GEORGIA TEAM ROUNDING INTO FORM Owing to “Exams” Team Has Been Tak ing it Easy. Special to The Georgian. ualraralty of Georgia, Athens (la., March fe—During tka waak of examinations tke keeaball squad baa been taking things rath er easy. The men kav* been reporting In the afternoon* aa aoon aa thav bar* So- laked their examlaiHons aid by I o'clock tbs whole squad la usually on th* Said. Tb* team baa greatly Implored elnre the fc tua» with the Vaakeee Met week. L'nleae dap* la a long 'war off, Ueorxla la golnx hare about the harden hitting leant In itbern IntermlleaUte ranks. Captain Brown, at catcher, played a good steady game last year, and Ibla year be given promise of putting It over every other -—*6«~“ catcher In Southern colleges. He known how to steady a young pitcher, aad this Is what the team la gotng to need moot. Nearly atrary one of the pitchers bat been on the sick Hat for soma ran** or an. other, bnt now all are la good condition. Clark Griffith axpresaed htmaelf aa balag very mack pleased at Redfara'a pitching In tka game against th* Yankses Baaldea Hedfern, there are Harman, -«.* Grave*. Herman and Kolev are , — Baaldea being . good pitcher. Graves also perform* lu the outfield, nnd can swat the bell some. At drat, I we scrota in bare It over an other candidates. He Is conalrtcr.il to lo ons of the beet fielding drat basemen that Georgia baa ever hail. At ereonrt, Herrick la playing a much faat- er game than he played nt toe same pnel- tlon laat year, lie waa not cnualderrd n apactaUy_ good bitter laat^ear, but thle year he le clouting the At abort, Georgia ban a player whom El- berfeld. of the New York Americans, said shortstop* he hart ever eeeti. Merlin , base on the 1M teem, but stayed out of cn|. lego last year. Thle aeaann. Slouch ehlft.il him to abort. Hr la stinging the ball. too. Morton Hodgson scctne to he n fixture at third, aa ho la putting up n great arti cle of bell. Plays Rome Saturday and Augusta Team March 27. GUESE SCORES SHUT-OUT ON WORLD’S CHAMPIONS Special to The Georgia*. New Orleans, La.. March 33.—Old Whiter Oueso and the New Orleans team performed the star feat here Fri day of ahuttlng'out the Chicago White Sox baseball champions of the world. Both teem* played errorless ball and It was a fancy article. But Charter Prank’s big twlrler. who has fust mlaaed going Into the discard several times, Itt the champs down with Just Thor many and won the gamo with the anl> tan re of the on# run scored In the first Inning. The score by Innlnffk: R R E New Orleans .. ..100 000 000—1 ( Chicago 000 000 000—0 I Batteries: Ouese and Matthewa, Walsh. Smith and. Hart NAPS’ REGULAR LINE-UP DOPED OUT BY ED BANG By E. F. BANG, of Cleveland News. Manager Lajoie. of Cleveland, has practically decided upon hie line-up for the opening game In Detroit. April 11. It was known right along that If El mer Flick signed a Cleveland contract he would be one of the regulars In the outfleld. Harry Bay waa also slated to be a regular, If the Injury to his knee mended. The Nap chieftain has decid ed that Joe Birmingham will be the guardian of the left patch. This leaves Congalton and Hlnchman aa substi tuted. Should Bay tall to round to, Congalton will be used In right and Flick shifted to center. The Cleveland owner* want the American League pennant thl* year and will carry the live outflelder* all aea- at third, Turner, short. Lajoie, aecom and Stovall, first, together with one utility Intleldcr, either O'Brien or Por ting will be carried. Experience favors the former, although Perrlng U show- daily. Ing hotter form The Nape will also carry three catch, era. Nig Clarke, formerly of Atlanta, Harry Beml* and Howard Wakefield, and eight pitchers. Joss, Bernhardt. Rhoades, Hess. Moore, the five regu lars of last season, and Glen Liebhardt, Helnle Berger and Jakle Thlelman until June l. and probably longer. No pruning will be done untjl almost two month* after the opening of the season and then It Is likely that only one pitcher will be farmed. "Buff" Ehman. the other pitcher with the Nape, will be returned to Akron. HERE IS REVISED SCHEDULE OF GORDON BASEBALL TEAM Rprrlat to The Georgian. ItArnofvllle, Ga., March 3,-Gonlon la pot ting In aome good licks prepatfctory to bar game with Tech Saturday. The team will be at a disadvantage In account of herarif sud 'wlil'do ao "n'lhlagaat. Big Jna" Mercer will do the box work that day. anil his lieoder* will lie han dle,! by either VVIIIInma or Captain Hall. Mnipaoo. Griffin nnd Smith will plar the Indehl positions, while. Oliver or Faulk. Griffith and Hurhnui, will compose the out field. Schedule of games follows: March 23—'Tech In Atlanta. March »-Geor*tt to Athens. April t and t-nihlonega In ItnroexTlIle. April a and P-locuat Orov* InBaraoarille. April if-Georgia Military Collet* la Baratarille. April 20—Boy*' High school In Barneavllle. April 21—Auburn In BaraeariUa. April 24—Georgia Derail* In Barncavilla. April 27-Oeorgla Military collegt la HllleOgevllle. . . . _ May 4—Boya' High achool In Baraetvlll*. May U-Cotambtas High achool to Barnet- vllle. . May 13-Loeuat Orov* In Locust Grove. Stone Mountain Ball Team . Is a Speedy Aggregation Yank Dope By BID MERCER af Th* Now York Macon, (fc, March 13.—New Tork ora who are getting tired of the beau tlful snow and anxlou* for root base ball weather to set In would onjoy thl weather' down here, but the Yankee do not fancy so much of It at thl York in mid* h ° l h * r ® tod4y ■» No* rorK in midsummer, nod the hen iUdSn I?*"* 1 arttr ® athlete. Judging from the game of,h*]| the. Played yesterday. 1 for^tnGntngh**" ‘tlTI&th* none of them haa loot a oount of bad weather : any time , bad effect on the Yankee. ita. , * that played her* ye.t?rdar IrL'.J™ gregatkm that would never hltve 3E standing on Washington Uriah,, •L l “i two Pl*r*r»—Keeler and” Hog occupying their reguloi positions. There wag no tain ; and at no time did the team look good axcopt In the batting, which woe fairly . n '* h * ‘ho Macon “fane" Jolcod. They have something to SSibt.Po°„ w £*•'» Ml S^S&2sytf , i. b rSe2 demonstration after Macon's nlntfln nlng victory, could not be restrained You could not convince some of them ‘h»‘ wo* defeated he/S la the same that came so near winni*. .. *•”* **’?* cam0 s° ne »r winning th S,^ m,rtc,n pennant lost fa* Thl* gome was only another proof of the worthlessness of “dope" In figuring h*a*hall winner*. The Cleveland team has been beating Macon right along. Last week the Macon team played two gome* In Atlanta and lost both to the Atlanta team, which haa been to*. Ing regularly to the Yankees. I don t like to lose an exhibition f*7®',°v. “S™®'. ®* ld Cl ® rk Griffith last night, but In our prexent condi- tlon w* can not attempt much team wor — Ah’* of people are comparing ua with Cleveland to our disadvantage becani* Cleveland ho* beaten Macon and boat Atlanta so badly In the fir.t a m* there. You must remember that Jole has his regular crowd of Infleld- ere, five good men In the outfield and hla pitchers working well. I am play. Ing pitcher* and Infleldera In the out- Id and my Infleid !■ a Jumbled me*, of talent that haa been trained along — "— I dbn'f care about these books for min*. We beat Cleveland out laat fall and. I think, ws will do |p-agaln.“ If you see it in the Green it r s so. CATCHER BEMIS. This star will probably ba ba th# Napa in to- hind tha bat for day's game. McWhorter, Watson, Cobh nn<l Grave* «r»* fighting It out for t^e oiitAclil |Mti.|llun». On account «»f bla groat hitting nnd th-lt! Ing. McWhorter I* a ccrtnlnt.v Then* an* some plnyer* on the arruli tmtiu who an* going to nmko mmhc of the *vni- •Itv turn humic to keejt their Jolm. THE HITTING PITCHEk The ten in lenven Frltlny afternoon .... Home, whore they will tie up Kntunlnv afternoon with the tenui oiti.tnliiuil hr Ar thur Hulllrnn. the ex (tenrgln atar. From aU neeimnu. they have n «trong team, no It •hmilil Ih* a clone fought game. Nutunhiv I will lie n holltl.iv In the unlvernltr. so n large rrnwtl of ntudoutft will go with the teitni. t»n MnMi 27. tieorgln piny* the Auguntn Hnllle l.cngue tenui In Athemt. Georgia Tech Team Plays Opening Game Saturday The Georgia School of Technology ■ baseball team plays th* first game of tb* season at Tech Park Saturday aft ernoon. Tech's opponents will be the Oordon Institute team, from Barneavllle. Oa. The prep school tram Is a rustler this year, and will doubtless keep the college men going aome. The Tech, team still line-up a* fol- lowa: » Brook* and Davenport, pltchere: Ruchanan, catcher; Knight, first base; Wright, second base; Lafltte, short stop: Parker, third bale; Chip Robert, left field; Brooks and Davenport, ren ter field; Stewart or Derrick, right field. University of Georgia Team Passes Through Atlanta The 1'nlvereHy of Georgia baseball team spent Friday night In Atlanta at the Majestic Hotel and left early Sat urday morning over the Western and Atlantic for Rome, where they lltu> up against the atrong Rome team, captain ed by Arthur 8ulllvan, the Inst year Georgia star.- Besides the players, Physical Director Sandford. Coach Slouch and Manager Carmichael made the trip. Tonight the team will he given a stag supper by the Romr alumni of the university. SUGGESTS POPULAR SUBSCRIPTION TO BUY NIG CLARKE’S RELEASE By E. F. BANG, of The Cleveland Newa. Atlanta fans want Nig Clarke, the little catcher of the Cleveland Napa, bach at hla old position behind the bat for the Crackers, for they feel confident that with Clarke they would be able to win the Southern League pennant. On* of the wealthiest rltlsen* of this “most nourishing city In the South" met the Naps at Macon Friday and accompanied them to Atlanta. He put the proportion of buying Claike's release up to Manager Lajolr. “Well, what would you pay for little Nig?" asked Larry. “1 won't moke you an offer for him. but you set your own price and wn will raise the amount by popular subscription among Atlanta fan*. That Is Just What w* think of Nig In our town. We were glad to see him advance, but we felt hla toes keenly and would welcome him back." . J**ry Intimated to tha gentlemen that he expected Clarke to help the Napa win th* IK? pennant. CORNELL OFF ON LONG TRIP New Tork, March 23—Cornell was the Aral of the big Eastern rolleqc baseball teams to start for the South. Yesterday morning a aqua,I of It from the Ithnea Institution of learning set *«ll for Washington, where today thoy piny George Washington 1'nlvorslty. This gnOic wn* Inserted In the original sehedule mainly for the purpose of breaking the strain of a long trip down Into the South. The trip Includes games with North Carolina Agricultural and Mechanical College, Trinity College, University of North Carolina. University of Virginia and Annapolis. Y.M.C.A. MEN TO PLAY GOLF The golf tournament of the Young Men's Christian Association, which was postponed, from last Saturday, will be pulled off today. A good vised entry list has been se cured and the contest promises to be u good one. Bob 8pads- Here I* the man who can hit. field and pitch. Ills name Is SpOde and be was Macon's star performer last year. He la regarded ns a sure thing for the Atlanta team this year. Take a Green £xtra home to your wife. NAT KAISER * CO. CONFIDENTIAL LOANS ON VALUABLES. IS Dec-lur St Kimball Heu^- Baronina in Unredeemed Diamonds. C. FRITZ SOLD TO C. FRANK. Shreveport. La.. March 23.—Charles Frltt. southpaw pitcher, ha* been sold by Shreveport to New Orleans. MUENCHA BEIERSDORFER THE PEACHTREE JEWELERS Diamonds, Watches, Jewelry. Fine Watch, Clock tnd Jewelry Repair ing. M Peachtree Street Atlanta, Go. Bel; Phone 1311. Special to The Georgian. Stone Mountain, Oa.. March 23.—For the past two Weeks the boy* of U. B. B. with baseball proclivities have been hard at work trying to ''make'' the team and while the practice has been confined for the most part to batting, there la an occasional awlah around the diamond and followed by an echo or sound of cracking glaaa. Thl* year's team can hardly hope to make the record of laat year after losing Cobb. Ornvqs. and Richard*, a" heavy hitters, but when the season closes they hope to be near the top. The line-up of the team for Satur day's game at Decatur wilp.be: about as follows: Goldsmith. Arrington. Crews. W„ pitchers: Smith, catcher for thrde years: Kelly, firat base, last year'* second base: Hawes, aecond base, laat season with G. M. t\; Glbbe, short atop, laat season outflelder; Brad shaw, third ba*e. last aeaaon outflelder; Baiter, left field: Crews, J., center field; Hampton, right field. lule follows: Decatur, A partial achedu! March 23. at Decatur; Tech Varsity, March 36, at Tech fiats; Decatur, March 30, at Stono Mountain; Peacock, April 6, at Stone Mountain; Tech Sophs, April 13, at Stone Mountain; High School, April 30 (asked), at Stone Mountain: Georgia Berube, April (, In Athens; O. M. A.. May 4 (asked). In Stone Mountain; G. M. C., May, date not fixed. There are to be other practice games played with near-by teams, but an ef fort Is being made to get up another league as arranged laat year and which proved such a success from every point of view. The league Included Peacock. Stone Mountain, and two games were played with each team respective ly. A formation of the league might break Into the schedule of some schools, but this could be easily adjusted. Adairsville Won Special |p The Georgian, revllle, , AdaltVvUle. Go.. March 23— Adairs ville defeated Calhoun Friday after noon In the first game of the season. The score was a tie. 2 to 2, until the steady Job. Pitcher Ford Here ritrher Ford has arrived. After a course of boiling at Hot Springs, he haa come bark tn Atlanta and Is ready to get busy with the other Atlanta pitchers In the fight for a eighth Inning, when Adalrevllle fell onto Richards and five bits and two er rors let In six run*. Batteries—For Adalrevllle. Broad water. Marlin and Searach; for Cal- a Ortanh Umpire, houn, Richards and Roach. Whitehead. All the news in the Green Extra. L. G. I. TEAM DOING WELL. Bpeclnl to The lleorglnn. Locust Grove, G#.. March 23.—A« the «prlng day* come on, l*. G. I.'« ba*e- ball team le rounding Into shape. Sev eral member* of laat year's team are back. Among the new ones, Culberson, the Trimble brother* and Lawrence, are showing great form. Th* school recently defeated a picked team repre senting the town. The pitching < f Gray for the school was the feature* of the game. When in doubt, buy the Green Extra—and you’ll be satisfied. As to the Plans Of Lamar Ham CONTRACTORS AND BUILDERS, Wo want orders for TIMBERS AND HEAVY FRAMING in oar lots or less. We ean furnish orders of any size, also everything in mill work and dressed stock. “ ‘ WILLINGHAM Si SONS., M? Whitehall Street. E. G. Special to Tha Oeorglan. Milledgevtlle, Ga., Mara. 33.—Lamar Ham. who waa a member of Waycro#*' record-breaking ball team last aeaaon. haa been spending the winter here. Lately Ham has-been out regularly for practice with Otto Jordan and the ca det players, and he la fast getting Into shape. When asked as to hla Inten tion, for the coming season. Ham would not say definitely where he would play. He has had several offer*, chance* favor his returning to It’s all in the Green Extra —wait for itl JU8T WRESTLING. Special to The Georgian. Nashville, Tenn., March 23.—"Demon” Rartl, the Canadian middleweight vnee tost night by staying on the mat with Demetral. the Greek'heavyweight m'plon, for a period of 14S minutes. champion, for a period Only one fall was scored, and It took the Oreek one hour and ten minutes to get that one. Bartl went on the mat weighing 166 pound, and the Greek 112. At the conclusion of the match Deme tral exclaimed: “Bartl la the beat 166- pound man In the world.” NA8HVILLE BEAT VANDY. Nashville. Tenn.,' March 23.—Both Nashville and Vanderbilt ahowed up well In the game here yesterday. Nash, vllle won 4 to 1, Score by Innings: Nashville #20 002 00x—4*1?^ Vanderbilt 010 000 MO—1 4 2 BMjfHea: Sorrell. Mills and Hardy and Well,; Love. Theatt and Futger. CUBS WIN AGAIN. Special to The Georgian. Birmingham, Ala- March 23.—Th* Chicago Nationals defeated Birming ham here Friday by a score of 6 tol. Birmingham made 4 hits and 6 errors Chicago made to hits and 1 error. K»g*n and Clark. Oarvln avl Mills. .■Brown and Fraeer, Hen bold •nj Kuhoo. MACON BEAT HIGHLANDERS Special to Th* Georgian. Macon, Go., March 13.—In a context marked by plenty of good heavy hit ting, Perry Llpa'a Macon brigade yes terday wrenched their Initial victory of the seagon over major league talent and the good old Central City Is atlll talking about the stellar happening. Really It waa good to as* for Macon hod been used oa a stepping stone by Cleveland. When yesterday she threw a defeat Into the haughty New York Americans to the tune of 9 to ? club stock began rising and today the base ball stock exchange tn Macon has no neats on sole. The score: MACON. Chandler. If... Llpe, 3b Murdock, cf. Rhoton, 3b... . Harris, lb Stinson, rf... . Patience, as... Robinson, c... Clarke, p... .. Fox, p •Shumnnn.. .. Harnlah, c AB RIB PO A E 4 115 6 1 I 2 6 « 3 0 0 1 1 " 1 0 0 0 0 a Totals NEW YORK. Hoffman, cf, Keeler, rf. Conroy, ss Moriarlty, lb. Kiel now, ib. Laporie, 3b. Clarkson, If. and p.. Thoms*, c Doyle, p. Griffith, 3b. .37 9 II 2? 14 3 ABR 111 POA K .6 1 3 o 0 4 1 0 « I I ' Totala.. ..33 7 10 2? 12 1 •Batted for Clarke In elxth Inning. Summary: Two-baae hits. U*™* Rhoton. Thomas and Laporie; three base hits. Harnlah. Stlnaon ami £rk' oon; double play*. Patience to Kb; ton to Harris; left on base*. Moron. ■>■ New York, 4. Time, 1:88. Davis. „ Moron* by . ....002 002 104-1 New York ,100 003 030 Read it—the Green Extra HIGH SCHOOL WINS. Speelat to Tbw Georgian. Albany. Oa.. March 33—The Ath.in High School defeated the Albany H"»> nera Men In a one-alded S" 1 ' Tuesday. The feature was the to inmi of Rnwilna and Fleetwood's ping for the High School boys. n« llns fanned 14 men. Score by Inning*: ||t „_i 5 £ " ;* ;;ooo out THE DOPE ON BOB SPADE Ey e Reformed Sporting Editor. To the Sporting Editor Atlanta Georgian: * Wh#r# you. In terent rlnns an#a r niianiB viv’jiiian; * * .h g- . , ^ where you. In ipeent dope, uneak of th# po##lblllty 8p«de# developing Into an outflelder. Spade waa signed by JacKeonvH^ aa an nvtflelder In 1108. but *ma relea.-v<1 Juat aa the »t##on openH- 4 that Violates.[a Cuban, who waa hi# opponent *• f attlon Had madk ai...h - kit wllk tha ffina hv nil* ftll 1 '* cause of the fact I _ _____ °£*n muAeld poet tlon. had'modF such a hTtwlih the fans'by his arm thniwing. a la JoexRlrkart. Billy Smhh. than In charge nt M“\ ■ .ruckJackaonriii. . nay or two later, and being short a man. bec»u- typho(d. took on Spade tn play left field. He made good from the Ju" i and hit ffne. In two week* or eo some young pitcher of Smith 1 * »*" ' , Gnp walloped herd, the game we* laet. end Spade volunteered to t’ 1 " h . nut He did greet work tbpn and afterward*. He wo* th* P*nw"> Bmllli by getting 31 victories out at 42 game*. Aa a pitcher, he hit »•»' .360, and aa an outflelder ought to go .330 In tho Southern.