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THE BAPTIST BANKER. J. M. WOOD, Editor. CORRESPONDING EDITORS: W. M. HOWELL. S. IT. CATE. W. C. WILKES. J. C BLACKSTOCK, BUSINESS MANAGER. CUMMING, Wednesday, October 20, 1880. General Missionary Associa tion of North Georgia- EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. Eld. W. C. Wilkes, Chm'n, Gainesville, Ga. “ 1). S. McCurry, Sec., Flow’y Br’ch, Ga 13. 11. Brown, Treas., Brown’s Bridge. Eld. J. M. Wood, Cumming, Ga. “ A. B. Nuckolls, “ Ga. Eld. T. G. Underwood, Eastanallee. Eld. J. E. Rives, Wooley’s Ford, Ga. C. C. Bell, Gainesville, Ga, J. D. Bagwell, “ Ga, RaT We take no responsibility for views expressed by our correspond' onts, unless we endorse them. A SPECIAL OFFER.-Wo will send tho Banner free to any Bap tist minister who will send us live subscribers and five dollars. HOW TO SEND MONEY.—SmaII amounts can be enclosed in letters written to us. Larger amounts —say four or five dollars, or more—send in registered letters. Fractions of a dollar send in three cent stamps. JOB WORK.—We are prepared to do Job Work with neatness and dispatch. Our Job Printer is one of the best. Try him. ADVERTISING—Our rates are reasonable, our circulation large, covering a large territory, R. M. "West, of Clarksville, Ga., is authorized to act as agent for the Banner in his section. [tf. TAKE SPECIAL NOTICE. When friends write us to change a name from one Post Office to another be sure to give the name of both Of-* fices. [tf] FAIR NOTICE. As we cannot afford to buy paper, pay postage and printers to furnish the Banner to parties, who seem un willing to pay back dues, we propose to strike from our list the names of all persons, who are much behind in payments, on the 15th of November next and to send their accounts to their respective neighborhoods, for collect lion. After the close of the present volume in’ January next, we will res quire payment in advance. We can not furnish a paper without means, [tf —■ Bld. J. S. Dickson of Clayton, Ras bun county, Ga., is authorized to receive and receipt for money for back dues, renewals and for new sub scribers. [tf ' A splendid second-hand Winship 40 saw Gin for sale. Just put in order and as good as new- Apply to J. C. BLACKSTOCK, ts Cumming, Ga. SUPPORT OF PASTORS. Not long since a brother handed us a written request to give, through the Banner, our views upon the above named subject. So much has been written and said about it that we cannot hope to say any thing especi ally new, or more convincing than others have said and written. W’e can but give “lino upon lino and pre cept upon precept, here a little and there a little.” God works through human instrumentalities, though he is able to accomplish whatever he pleases by his own direct power. He could clothe and feed us without man’s agency. But ho does not choose to do this. He could remove the forest trees, build our houses, cause the land to produce abundant ly the things which man needs, ready cooked and palatable without man’s or woman’s agency. But he does net choose to do this for man. Minis ters are not exceptions. What true Christians wish to know and need to know is, how are pastors to be sus tained according to God’s will. Let us sit down and talk this over. The Old Testament dispensation was pres paratory to in the old were typical of the new. This is true regarding Christ, the ap pliances of religion, and tho persons to teach and to officiate in their ob> servance. In the introductory stage God selected men of a designated tribe, gave specific directions regard ing what they should do and how they should do. They were required to bo consecrated and devoted to their work. This arrangement, under God, was for the good of tho people and his glory. The priests in an important sense held a place in the old dispensation which ministers hold in the new, both under God's own regulations. But since these men (tho Priests) were to bo consecrated to their work and taken away from worldly avocations and even denied possessions in com mon with others, and since they could not live upon nothing, God sent Ravens and performed miracles to feed and clothe them in order that the people, .for whom they labored might not call them hirelings, and in order to keep them from being puffed up with pride and arrogance. No I Stop 1 God made ample arrangements (without miracles) that the people, who were the beneficiaries of their labors should provide for them. The history of the Jews shows that, from the time of the establishment of the Priesthood to the coming of Christ, whenever they faithfully brought their tithes and offerings, a part of which the Priests were to share, they were prospered and blessed, and that they were cursed when they withheld them. In Malachi God says : “Will a man rob God ? Yet ye have robbed me, but ye say wherein have we robbed thee ?” “In tithes and offerings, ye are cursed with a curse ; for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store house, that there may be meat in mine bouse, and prove me now, here with, saith • the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the destroyer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit, before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.”—Malachi iii: 8-11. But under Christ, in the new dispen sation, the Priesthood as of old was done away as well as all ceremonials which simply pointed to Christ. Men were chosen, called and ordain ed of God to preach Christ, crucified, risen and ascended, having fulfilled all types and prophecies. Os their qualifications, work and manner of support we are not left in ignorance. Panl’s letters to Timothy and Titus fully inform us of their qualifications and teach consecration as to their life work. In them also and in other Scrip tures instructed as to their support. “They that preach the gospel shall live of the gospel.” “No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life. * * The husband man, that laboretb, must be first partaker of the fruits.” Paul says; “Have we not power to eat and to dring ? * * Or I only and Barnabas, have we not power to fore bear working ? Who goeth a war fare any time at .his own charges ? Who planteth a vineyard and eateth not of the fruit thereof? Or who feedeth a flock and eateth not the milk of the flock ? * * For it is writ ten in the law of Moses, Thou sbalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for the oxen ? Or saith ho it altogether for our sakes ? For our sakes, no doubt this is written; that he that plougheth should plough in hope and that he that threshesh in hope, should be partaker of his hope. If wo have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing (bug bear) if we reap your carnal things!’’ 1 cor. 2:4 to 11. Again he says : “Do you not know that they who minister about holy things, live of the things of the temple ? and they who wait at the altar are partakers with the altar ? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they, who preach the gospel, shall live of the gospel.’’ cor. 9:13:14. The conclusion is enevitable that pastors should be supported This is sustained Ist by reason, 2d by Justice and 3d by God’s word. It is granted that the context and other passages • show that Paul for special reasons waived his right in this matter. But that ho teaches that ministers should bo supported no reasonable man can doubt. Paul also tells certain brethren that ho had taken wages of others to do them service. As it is true that God blessed the Jews when they obeyed him in pay-, ing their tithes,so it is true that God blesses the churches who recognize the Bible teaching upon tho subject and properly support their pastor. As to tho manner of support and how much a pastor should have; we will (DV) say something next week. THINK* OF IT. We have some subscribers who are due the Banner running back one, two and three years. Have they ever thought how paper and ink are pro cured and how hands are paid in or-, der to furnish them a paper ? Have you thought how much work we do to fold up and mail your paper fifty times a year ? And do you not think you ought now to pay up and renew, while money is in circulation ? We need the money in order to keep up our business and to give you a better paper. Many have said they wish to know how much they owe. In a short time we will enclose slips with a statement of dues, which will give the information desired. Please re spond promptly. QUERIES. A brother, who is teaching singing classes, and in order to train the voice correctly, uses an organ, asks three questions : Ist. “Is it right or wrong for a Baptist to teach sacred music with the use of an organ ?” Ans, We think he may do so with out doing wrong. Organs and other instruments were used by David and God’s people in the olden time. No instrument in itself is harmful. All depends upon the use which is made of it. The sound of the human voice in the praise of God is a good thing, but may also be used wrongly and profanely, So with musical instru ments. 2d. “Is it right or wrong for Bap tist churches to permit a vocal music school taught in their house of wor ship, when the teacher uses an or gan ?” We can see no wrong in it, having the views expressed in answer to first query. But all such propositions must be settled by each church where the question springs. If a church decides not to allow their house used for such a purpose, all parties should respect their wishes. 3d. “If a Baptist church decides that it is wrong for a member to use an organ in their house of worship, can they fellowship a member when he is using an organ, for such a pur pose, in other Baptist churches ?” Ans If such a church should con sider the use of an organ such an of fense as to subject the member to ex clusion, that church could not con sistently fellowship him. As we know nothing personally of the causes which have suggested these ques tions, the brethren interested will allow your brother editor to make a suggestion or two. Let all parties throw off all prejudice and look at the subject calmly and in the spirit of Christianity. The organ simply gives forth the notes of sound in music which it is the wish of the teacher that the pupils may sound with their voice. The sound is harm less, and if it aids young people to sing correctly, it will do good. Sing ing is a pleasing and important part of God’s worship and whatever im-> proves singing is a good thing. Still, if brethren from their standpoint and the abuse in the use of organs object to their use in their meeting house, we think teachers should res spent the wishes of such brethren and either teach without the organ or go somewhere else to teach. QUERY SECOND. What course should a church pur sue with one who has been baptized and in church fellowsip—got in dis order and now comes back and says that the church did right in his ex clusion ; that he was not fit to be a member—that he had not been con verted, but lately has sought the Lord and realized the free pardon of sin. He is willing to be baptized again, or is willing to be restored, just as the church thinks best, but wants to live in the church as an humble follower of Jesus ? Z. K. Lmiir. This suggests a grave question about which good and distinguished brethren differ in opinion. We have not time before going to press to give our views in full. We hold the theo ry that it requires three things to constitute valid baptism (scriptural baptism.) Ist. A proper subject, a regenera*- ted believer in Christ 2d. A properly authorized admin istrator. 3d. Immersion in water, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It appears, in the case presented, that the brother was not a scriptural subject —he was not a regenerated believer. It could not, therefore, have been the answer of a good con science to him. In a clear case of this sort we would not hesitate to advise the baptism of such a one and would not regard it as re-baptism, but as his first scriptural baptism. But we advise great caution and spe cial scrutiny in such cases. MEDLEY. News from J. A. McMurr.y— We glean from a letter sent us, by the above named brother, that he has not been idle. He had a most gracious two weeks meeting with Canton church and baptized 13. As evidence of its being a good meeting, the merchants and me chanics closed business one hour of mornings and attended prayer meet ings. And as evidence of growth (the church now numbering 95) contributtd the past year $246 for benevolent objects. He also held a meeting at a Railroad shanty, two miles from Marietta, organized a church with 10 members, protracted and baptized 22—and with other additions the church now numbers 47. This was a destitute neighbor hood, such as our State Board might well look out and occupy. We learn also that, brother McMurry has been preaching to five churches this year, and has already been called to three, for next year, the Canton, Noonday and one other church. Thus be works and thus God blesses. Many of our good brethren, in different sections, at Associations and other places, have been mak ing little talks for the Banner lately, and sending us handsome results. Thank them, one and all. Who loves Christ more than father, mother, brother, sister, lands, houses, or gold? Take care pro fessor I The day of accounts will soon come. How about spreading tho gospel? Do you feel any interest in the mat ter ? Read carefully and kindly the little article headed “Think of i'.” Preparatory to coming strictly to the cash system and to give infor mation to those who wish it we commence, this week to put in slips showing how our subscribers stand upon the Banner Books. This will continue until we get through the books. If there should occur any mistakes parties will do us a favor by pointing them out. Some agents have reported names but have not sent’ the money yet, but we cannot give credits correctly until the money is sent. In all this we are dealing with brethren and friends and no harm is meant. — Please help us to straighten the books. “it is a notie. able fact, that those who do the least work, are foremost to complain at those who do most, and that those who give nothing are most loud-mouthed against ap peals for money.” So says J. E. Hutson in Religious Herald. John Rush, in the Herald, has an article about “dog whippers,” as church officers, in England, in the olden time, whose business was to keep dogs out of church and to keep people awake. Our sugges tion is, for each church to appoint a dog killer, and as it regards sleep ers, tie the heads of sleepers two and two together. In the process of nodding they may manage to keep owakc most of the time. How Paid.—Pastors are some times paid with “chips and whet stones,’’ snap beans, roasting cars and other things which they the least need. .The letter from brother C. W. Pruitt, our prospective missionary, will be read with much interest. Send on your back dues, renewals and the money for new subscribers. We need the money. The ball, started by the Biblical Recorder, labeled “Dollar papers neither pay the publisher nor the reader,” has nearly gone the rounds of the $2.50 papers. They seem very much exercised upon the sub ject. As the Dollar papers are con j fessedly too cheap, but are neverthe ' less doing good, may be our good , brethren will let us have a part of | their excess of price. “The truth is found between extremes.” Several communications on hand which will appear in B. B. soon. Several of our exe.hang s are advertising for name-, and post | offices, of such persons as do not take their paper. This is with the view of sending specimens. May be it will do good for friends to send us names and for us to sftnd specimens. Try it. | A Good Thing.—A dozen or two good Baptist pipers come to our office, each claiming to be the best in all the land, and prove it by I letters from their subscribers. This iis a good thing. Every .church j ought, if possible, to love her own pastor better than any other, just as a wife should love her husband. Yes, Uncle Cate: Send on the short sermon for the children and tell Elder Z. Rose to send his artic les upon subjects of his own selec tion. Men, who are always complain ing at others, generally have the fewest virtues and deserve to be complained of. LETTER FROM LOUISVILLE D<ar Banner News from home! That is wbat the Banner is to me once a week. The Baptists of North Georgia are a family ; and I 'belong to that family. To hear from that family while separated from them by several hundred miles affords me much pleasure—a foretaste of the pleasure it will afford when I am separated by as many thousands of miles. OUR MISSIONARY MEETING. It may not be known to all your readers that the Professors and stu dents of the Seminary bold a meet ing of Missionary Inquiry on the first day of each month. At our first meeting of this session, October Ist, the subject was China missions. A paper containing much useful infor mation on the subj- ct was read by Bro. Houcbens of Missouri. During the meetings some very interesting facts were brought out. China has above 300 millions inhabitants, or more than six times the population of the United States, and yet. in all that vast empire of human beings there are only about 312 Protestant churches with ame in ben-hip of about 50,000. Million upon million, aye, hundreds of millions have never heard the name of Jesus. At that meeting we were cheered by the presence of DR. R. 11. GRAVES, of Canton, China. Dr. G. spent several days with us the last week in September; visited us at our rooms, and talked with us about bis work among the heathen. I asked him about Miss Lula Whilden, who lives in his family and teaches Chinese girls, some of whom are kept in school by tho offerings of the N. G 81. B. Association. He told me he bad never seen any one more devoted than she is to her work. He read extracts from several of her letters which were very touching. Dr, G, in his addresses to us brought out the idea that the Chinese depend on self-help. They think that by their own efforts they can bring themselves into a state of hap. piness after the present life. Some of them think they can do this by one means and some by another. The adherents of Confucius propose to do it by cultivating a public spirit, the Buddhists by seeking after the good, the Tahists by seeking after the pure. There is nothing of ; the free gift of salvation by Jesus nothing of help from Him who is able to help. Such facts ought to arouse us to a sense of our responsis bility, Jesus, who said, “the field is the world,” expects us to preach tho gospel in China. C. W. Pruitt.. Louisville, Ky., Oct. 16 e 1850. ITEMS OF INTEREST. Zach Chandler's estate pays the city of Detroit $4,425 tax. There were four inches of snow in Wy oming Saturday, 2d Oct. A $27,000 iron bridge is to be constructed across the Warrior river, Alabama, between Tuscaloosa and Northport Mr. Spurgeon’s sermons are being trans j lated into Japanese. I Southern Methodists number 830,126 ■ with 3 547 travelling preachers and nearly double that number of local preachers. A dispatch from Denison, Texas, says that the Cheyenne Indians in the Indian territory are manifesting great discontent and becoming disorderly. A few days ago a band of about three hundred with war i paint on and well mounted, visited the agency near Fort Reno. The Gully brothers, who were implicated in the Chisolm masacree in Missisippi, some time since, were acquitted of tho murder of Gilmer. The crop in the section around Cedar town has become affected with the black rust, and it will cut the crop considerably i short, C. A. Sullivan, of Starkesville, Mississipi claims to have invented a flying machine that will carry four persons across the At% lantic ocean or anywhere else. On Saturday 2d six white and font colored convicts were publicly whipped at New Castle, Deleware. The Cartersville free press.says the cotton crop of that section, it is feared, will be ent off fully one third by the rust. The one hundreth anniversary of the capture of Maj. Andre, was celebrated at Tarrytown, N. Y. on the 23d inst. A lexington, Ky., man offers a premium of $50,00 to be awarded to the best bicycle rider at the fair in that city next year. The beet, sugar works at Peoria, Illinois, • are being enlarged, When completed the total capacity will be 3,000 bushels of beets per day. A passenger and freight train collided on a trestle forty feet high in Indiana the other day, The engineer and fireman of the pas senger train were killed and several persons injured. < Priucess Euguene, sister of the Queen of Sweeden, is actively engaged in enlisting the Sweedish women in behalf of the c _>n version of the Laplanders. Mi. Thomas Hughes, of England, is n>w in this country as the representative of the English Board of Aid to Land Ownership,, which .owns about 400,000 acres of land in . Tennessee. He is to make arrangement for the coming of English colonists. Built on a Gold Rock. Considerable excitement has been caused by the discovery that the village of Las Placitas, about thirty miles fron Santa Fe, New Mexico, i-j built on gold reck worth from $3,0( 0 to $6,000 a. ton. A gold watch was recently ploughed up on the battle field of Chicakamauga. Rebecca Rothschild a young Jewess of Indianopolis has sued Tom Dickenson ■' for $20,000 damages for a breach of prom ise. The distemper among the horses reported existing in Boston has made its appearance in New iork city and seems to be influence which is an incipient stage of the epizootic = of 1873. It is announced that Dr. E. C.'jtfitcheTl Is on his way to this country with a view to bring before. American Baptists the claims of the thi ological seminary recently estab lished at Paris in connection with our min siou there. A New Dictionary.—The Philological Society of England has been more than twenty years at work on a new dictionary, which is to contain every word occurring in the literature of the English language. Many eminent scholars are engaged upon the work, which is expected to be ready for publication about IS!*!). Bishop Doggtt of the Southern Metho dist church is still very ill at Richmond and it is thought will not recover. Manchester- England, has found that th® draining and paying of twenty streets dix " minished her mortality more than, one sixth. Texas has a Tom Thumb in the peison of Hiram Blair, of Erath Go., who is 20 years ' •• old, weighs 50 pounds, and is two feet six in height. An artesian well at Little Rock, Ark. has struck salt water which has risen to the height of 700 feet in tho well. Six thousand dollars in bonds have been stolen from a safe in the Second Auditor’s Office of the U. S. Treasury. Mississippi has had 26 governors. Twen ty two of them have been lawyers. The Mexicans at San Antonio celebrated the seventieth anniversary of their inde pendence from spain Wednesday the 16th, and festivi ies continued throughout the week. A San Francisco paper predicts that m three years El Paso will become one of the railway centers of the countrp, and the site of a large city. C’ity and Country Sermons,—Rev. Dr. Woods, of Andover, once said to his class •‘ioung gentlemen, when you go to preach in the city, take your best coat; but when you go to preach in the country, take your beat aennon. Idapel, a town in the. interior o South America, was recently de stroyed by an earthquake shock, and two iiiiiul;cl persons were killed. A 3*lß'l Ol’ MADE IIAPI-Y. I* have been greatly troubled with my kidneys and liver forever twenty years, and during that cutiie time I was nevfr free from pain. My msdical bills were enor mous, and I visitsd both the Hot and White Springs, noted for the curative qualities of the water. lam happy to say lam low a weßman, and entirely as the result of War ners Safe Kidney and Liver Cure. Not only this, but my little daughter has been cured of Bt. S itus’Dance by Warner’s Safe Nervine, which I always keep in my family,’ With such glorious results, I am only to®, -glad to testify regarding the remedies which ’ have made me so happy. Rev. P. F. Marrlee. Coal Run Crossing, Arkansas.—39-2t l