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A set of guidelines standardizing proce
dures for open house among University
dormitories is one proposal expected to
come soon from the new Residence Hall
Association
Such questions as academic credit in
ROTC and polling procedures in student
government elections also will get atten
tion from the RHA. meetings this week
and last week have indicated
The open house guidelines, members
have said, will impose minimum restric
tions that nevertheless will be more liber
al than the rules under wliich most dorms
now operate. They emphasize that each
dormitory council will be able to choose
whether to abide bv RHA's rules
ONE PROBLEM that is expected to be
considered is the difference in the closing
hour of open house as compared to the
curfew for freshman women. While dorms
cannot, under present rules, have open
house after midnight, freshman women
without curfew exemption are not re
quired to come in on weekends until 1 a m.
The association plans to seek endorse
ment of its guidelines by the Student Gov
ernment Association before asking for
approval by the University Council.
RHA took a long look at campus polling
procedures at this week's meeting.
It was said there that the polling places
have not been centrally located, and many
students votes have been lost because it
was inconvenient to vote.
A committee was appointed to investi
gate the possibilities of having the polls
more centrally located in large dorms
such as Russell Hall and dormitory com
plexes such as the Boggs-Church-Hill
complex.
THE STUDENT SENATE should with
hold action of the question of removal of
ROTC credit until students can be polled
on the issue, the association said in a reso
lution Tuesday night.
"RHA is not concerned with petty prob
lems. such as shower nozzles, but with
large problems such as taking polls in
cooperation with student government to
help give the administration a better idea
of how the students think.” co-chairman
Hugh Ruppersburg said after the meeting
Tuesday
Ruppersburg president of Russell
Hall, and Susan Rowe, president of Cre-
swell Hall, were named co-chairmen of
the group last week, when a constitution
was adopted
The association is intended to provide
a cohesive voice for on-campus nousing
residents, to cooordinate and encourage
inter-residence hall activities and cooper
ation. to serve as a forum for discussion of
mutual problems, and to provide a means
of helping to improve the cultural, social
and scholastic opportunities of this insti
tution (the University)." the constitution
says - RUTH PENNERACKER.
VOLUME LXXVI, NUMBER 31
"America's Pre-Eminent College Newspaper"
UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA ATHENS, GEORGIA 30601
Thursday, January 29, 1970
Give ROTC Courses Credit, Senate Says
Bv DANA HOWARD ' *
By DANA HOWARD
Staff Writer
A recommendation that credit hours
continue to be given for ROTC courses
was the result of a 54-13 Student Senate
vote last night
After a lengthy and heated discussion,
the Senate recommended that the mini
mum academic hours required for gradu
ation be 180, with no credit given to basic
physical education courses.
The clause advocating the removal of
credit from ROTC courses was simply
dropped from the proposal, originally in
troduced into the Senate at the end of fall
quarter by Tim Mundv (Arts and Sci
ences).
MIKE Wll.I.OUGHBY (ARTS ANI)
SCIENCES) a key advocate of ROTC
credit removal, maintained 180 hours of aca
demic credit must be earned by a student
for his degree, and if credit for ROTC is
retained, then the minimum number of
hours for a degree will have to be raised
an appropriate number of hours for
everyone, whether he is to be an ROTC
cadet or not.
Willoughby said he felt this “would be
unnecessary and unjust."
Betty Johnson (Journalism) raised
several objections to the motion, based on
the assumption that college students have
“enough common sense" to decide for
themselves if they want ROTC or not."
“1 would take issue with anybody who
would try to tell me what to take for elec
tives." she said “By definition, we are a
liberal university, so if we have the right
to give degrees in a field, then we have the
right to prepare a person for a profession
Photo* by ROBNOVIT
SENATORS SWAP OPPOSING VIEWS ON ROTC CREDIT WHILE SDS MEMBER CONTEMPLATES THE ISSUE
Terry Sullivan (L) Favored Keeping Credit; Art* and Sciences Delegation Chairman Tim Mundy (R) Wa* Against It
in the military sciences "
She mentioned that some courses taken
for credit hours toward a degree do not
pertain directly to that degree, and if
credit is taken away from ROTC. then
investigations would have to be made in a
number of other fields.
TERRY SI'LLIVAN (Arts and Sci
ences) said that removal of credit from
ROTC would cause the destruction of the
program because students ‘ are not going
to take a course if credit is not given for
it.”
It was noted that at Harvard University
and Dartmouth College, where credit has
been removed from the ROTC programs,
the military departments had to leave
because they did not have enough students
enrolled to support their existence.
He noted that at least 100 schools are
begging” for Air Force ROTC. and 63
schools are ‘begging” for Army ROTC
courses.
“I feel that the number of officers
turned out here wouldn't be sufficient to
warrant a program, and so they would
have to withdraw." Sullivan said
Sulli’nn savino ft W)ivps are the
choices of the students, maintained that
they could not weaken the degree.
What is the purpose of having elective
courses if you tell a student what he can
and cannot take'* "he asked
A REITERATION of preceding argu
ments and a discussion of "academic re
levance" was brought up by Sieve Parthe-
mos i Arts and Sciences)
He said as far as he could see. the only
reason for taking away credit was that
under the new 18D hours, it was believed
by some people that ROTC credit would
AROUND THE WORLD
House Attempt To Override Veto Fails
Congressmen in the House tried, but sary two-thitus majority. The vote was a npw hill now will have to he written Johnson said his hill is intended tn st
failed, to override President Nixon's veto
of the $19.7-billion health-education money
bill Wednesday
Fifty-two more votes would have been
needed to override the veto by the neces-
i majority. The vote was
226 to 191
Nixon, who vetoed the bill Monday, said
the $1 26 billion which Congress added to
it for health and education programs was
inflationary
COMMITTEE A 'FIRST STEP 1
Marsh Protection Debated
By G. WILLIAM HILL
Staff Writer
Last night the "Save Our Marshes"
Committee presented a three-way presen
tation and debate concerning the preser
vation of Georgia's coastal marshlands.
The discussion was in the north Psy
chology-Journalism auditorium
Dr Eugene Odum, director of the Uni
versity's Institute of Ecology, said that
"the establishment of a committee to
regulate the use of the Georgia coastal
marshes could be the first step in estab
lishing an eventual committee, with state
wide power, to regulate the uses of Geor
gia's natural resources '
Dr Odum went on to say that "up until
now. no large-scale attempt has been
made to plan for the future concerning our
state's natural resources '
THE MARSHES were described as a
river-like band which is eight to 10 miles
wide This band runs the length of the
Georgia coast and is made up of a nu
trient-filled grass
"The salt marshes." stated Dr Dirk
Frankenberg. temporary chairman of the
department of zoology, "are the basis
which provide the fish for the commercial
fisheries and for the sportsmen ."
He also said that "the marshes provide
recreational facilities for nearly 300,000
saltwater sport fishermen and 15.000
coastal hunters in Georgia. "
Dr Frankenberg used two major argu
ments to support the regulation of the salt
marshes.
First, he stated that the marshes prov
ide the basic food clement for much ol the
coastal sea life. He also said the marshes
provide protection for the early develop
ment stages of the young sea life such as
the shrimp.
SECOND, HE SAID the marshes prov
ide an area of deposit for the sediments
which come from the Georgia rivers exit
ing into the sea The marshlands prevent
these sediments from escaping into the
open sea and affecting the recreational
islands along the Georgia coastline
State Rep Robert W. Harrison, who
opposed a bill presented in the General
Assembly last year to set up a committee
to oversee protection of the state's marsh
lands. said. "1 cannot disagree with any
thing that has been said previously, be
cause 1 myself have seen and enjoyed
these marshes
Rep Harrison's main gripe with the
bill, however, was that the proposed
marshes committee would infringe on the
rights of local governments and possibly
affect the status of an individual's private
property in the marsh areas.
He said. "The bill does not specify the
marshlands as to a definite area, but only
by description of a type of grass which can
be found in other areas of the state other
than the seacoast"
I)R. ODUM, HOWEVER, clarified that
since the bill has been in a Senate commit
tee recently, it has been amended by de
fining the marshland area by altitude
rather than the type of grass
Dr. Odum also said that "the proposed
seven-man commission would work hand-
in-hand with the local governments The
committee would review requests on pro
posed marshland development which
would be brought to its attention by the
local authorities, in particular the game
and fish commissions in the areas."
The "Save Our Marshes Committee
sums up its position through the following
statement in a petition it is circulating
"We support legislation which will
insure balanced long-range planning
for the use of Georgia coastal marshes
with special consideration for the protec
tion of the natural features of these
marshes
A new bill now will have to be written,
and observers said it is likely that the
Democrat-controlled Congress will try
again to put in more money than Nixon
has budgeted — though probably not as
much as was in the vetoed bill
The overall bill finances the depart
ments of Labor and Health, Education
and Welfare, and includes various anti
poverty programs Inflation-fighting cuts
should be made on programs other than
those intended to meet the nation s educa
tion and health problems, said the Demo
crats who tried to override the veto
• • •
THE "ABOLISH ATLANTA" bill was
tabled Wednesday by the Georgia Senate,
thus postponing any action on the bill until
a majority of the Senate votes to bring it
back off (tie table
The vote was 34 to 22, but supporters of
the bill said they were confident they
could muster the simple majority needed
to get it back on the floor. To pass, it will
need the approval of two-thirds, or 38. of
the 56 senators
Meanwhile. Sen Leroy Johnson of At
lanta introduced legislation to abolish
Forsyth in Monroe County His action was
interpreted as a slap at the chief House
sponsor of the "Abolish Atlanta" legisla
tion, Harold Clarke of Forsyth.
Johnson's resolution calls for consoli
dation of Bibb and Monroe counties into
one county. Bibb, and abolition of all ci
ties in the new county except Macon
Johnson said his bill is intended to show
the "absurdity and facetiousness" of re
quiring a statewide vote to determine
whether Atlanta and Fulton County gov
ernments should be consolidated
• • •
THE 1954 Supreme Court decision on
school integration is established law,
Judge G. Harrold Carswell told the U.S.
Senate Judiciary committee Wednesday
But he said the nation is “under great
change" and some areas of the law must
change accordingly.
If his nomination to the Supreme Court
is confirmed, however, he will “not over
turn all precedent and rewrite all deci
sions," the Georgia native said
He denied several times that he is prej
udiced against Negroes or had any signifi
cant part in the purchase of a Tallahassee.
Fla , golf club to keep it from being inte
grated in 1958
• • •
THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE govern
ment announced Wednesday that all of its
soldiers' leaves will be camelled for two
weeks, beginning Friday, as a precaution
against stepped-up enemy activity during
the Tet season in early February
Tet, the festival of the lunar new year,
was the occasion for the enemy's biggest
offensive of the war in 1968 At that time,
50 per cent of the South Vietnamese forces
were on leave
Curfews in some cities were lengthened
this week as an added safeguard
Some Back to Coliseum
To Complete Schedules
Photo b. ROBNOVIT
SAVE OUR MARSHES SPEAKERS CHAT WITH STUDENTS, DEAN TATE PRIOR TO MEETING
Prom Left, Facing Camera, Dr. Eugene Odum, Robert W. Harrison. Dean William Tate, Dr. Dirk Frankenberg
If you don't get a complete spring-
quarter schedule through pre registration
this quarter, you'll be going to the Colise
um on March 23 to finish the job
The decision was made to send students
to the Coliseum to complete their schedul
ing after unwieldy drop-add lines created
congestion in academic buildings this
quarter, the registrar s office said
Wednesday
POINTING OUT that 2119 of the 15,100
students who went through early registra
tion for winter quarter were unable to
complete their schedules until the first of
the new quarter, assistant registrar Wil
liam W Parker said the latest change
should make things simpler for such stu
dents
They will be able to pick up all of their
additional class cards at the Coliseum
rather than trekking across campus with
drop-add cards, he said
Otherwise, registration for spring
quarter will follow the same general pat
tern established for winter quarter, the
first one in which it was possible to regis
ter without coming to the Coliseum
Students who have not already done so
should make appointments with their
academic advisors immediately Parker
said The advisors will assist in complet
ing class schedules and forward proposed
schedules to the registrar's office
THE CENTRAL BANK of class cards
will be opened to graduate students and
undergraduates on Feb 16 he said, and it
is important that students see their advis
ors before then
Class cards and fee cards will be
mailed to students who register early, and
they in turn may pay their fees through
the mail However, fee cards will be
flagged this quarter for debts owed the
University, said Parker
Standard procedure in the past has
been to flag fee cards for such reasons,
but Parker said none were flagged last
quarter because they would have added to
the difficulty of adjustment to the new
system
He urged that students clear all debts,
such as traffic fines and overdue library
book fines, before submitting schedules to
be processed Flagged cards have to be
redeemed in person in the Academic
Building after clearing debts with the
University offices concerned
CLASS SCHEDULES obtained during
early registration should not be consi
dered tentative, said Parker
"Apparently there are a few advisors
and not a few students who consider this
pre-registration business a trial run," he
explained We d like for them to consi
der this as early registration."
Changes in the courses obtained in pre
registration will have to be made through
the regular drop-add orocedure after Coli
seum registration next quarter, he em
phasized Only incomplete schedules are
to be processed in the Coliseum
be unfair to students not taking ROTC He
said people who think ROTC courses are
easy credit are misled
Partheinos also said he felt that if
ROTC were not considered academic in
nature, then a lot of other courses with
credit would have to be reviewed
However. Mundy said he felt it was
"not the place of the Student Senate to
argue the academic relevance of the
ROTC program ." since its relevance had
nothing to do with the adoption or defeat
of the proposal
Another motion by Willoughby, calling
for a pass-fail option on courses not in the
major field of study of a student, was ta
bled until the following Senate meeting in
order to give the Senators time to study
the proposal
THE NEXT University body to consi
der ROTC credit apparently will be the
University Council, the policymaking
body of the faculty
A proposal from the College of Arts and
Sciences' faculty, on which Mundv's origi
nal motion in the Senate was based, calls
for elimination of ROTC credit as well as
credit in basic physical education courses
The faculty adopted the proposal last
quarter in the first of three meetings so
far dealing with curriculum revision
Tied in with the lifting of ROTC and bas
ic P E. credit is reduction of minimum
graduation hours to 180
The Senate's action is expected to hurt
the proposal's chances for passage in the
University Council, since the Senate is
held to represent student opinion
No action of the Senate, however, is in
any way binding on the Council.
Dean's List
3.6 Minimum
Is Proposed
The new minimum quarter grade aver
age for DeaiYs List, adjusted because of
the conversion from a 4.5 to a 4.0 grading
system effective last fall, should be 3 60.
the faculty executive committee has rec
ommended.
The new proposed average compares to
a minimum of 40 for the Dean's List under
the old system, which allowed 5 points for
a “plus" attached toa letter grade
Under the recommended requirements,
a student also would have to carry a
course load of at least 12 hours and re
ceive no grade lower than a B or an in
complete to make the Dean's List for a
given quarter.
The committee's recommendations,
made available to the Red and and Black
this week, will go to the University Coun
cil this quarter.
To be eligible for graduation with hon
ors or the valedictorian award under the
recommendations, a student would have
to have earned at least 100 quarter hours
at the University The old requirements
say no more than 45 hours taken at other
institutions may be used to determine eli
gibility. Under the new system, then,
more transfer students would meet this
requirement
The valedictorian, as before, would be
the graduating senior with the highest
academic average
Honors graduabon requirements will
be slightly different for each of the class
es of 1970. 1972, 1972 and succeeding
years respectively, since students in these
classes will have varying percentages of
the grades assigned them based on the old
4.5 system
The requirements are:
• For summa cum laude. 4 05 or all A s
for 1970 graduates; 4 0 for 1971 graduates;
3 96 for 1972 graduates; and 3,9 for those
graduating after 1972
• For magna cum laude, 3 9 for 70
graduates, 3.8 for 71 graduates; 3.7 for
'72 graduates; and 3 6 for graduates after
"72
• For cum laude, 3 6 for '70 graduates,
3 5 for 71 graduates, 3 4 for '72 graduates;
and 3 3 for graduates after '72
Orientation
Applications
Due Monday
Students wishing to apply for positions
as 1970 freshman summer orientation
leaders should do so on or before next
Monday Feb 2. David Fletcher, assistant
director of student activiues. said today
Application forms are available at the
student activities office. 229 Memorial
Hall the placement and student aid off
ice. White Avenue Building; the place
ment and student aid office. White Avenue
Building the associate dean of students'
office, second floor of the Academic
Building and the rain desks of Russell
and Brumbv halls