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Lazaris on AIDS
Lazaris has been channeled by Jach
Pursel since 1974. Southern Voice is
pleased to be able to present his words.
This four-part AIDS interview will con
clude in issue 8. Other topics of interest to
lesbians and gay men will follow.
Louise Hay asked Lazaris if he would
make an audio tape about AIDS. His
response was to do more. Lazaris record -
ed a 90-minute tape that includes a pow
erfully moving meditation. He donated the
time and the tape to the Hay Foundation
which is the sole distributor of the tape
and retains all the proceeds.
The response to this tape has been
remarkable. One of the many wonderful
things about this discussion is that Lazaris
talks of AIDS not as a Gay disease and
thus a Gay problem, but as a Human dis
ease and a Human problem that require s
all of us to work together. Following is a
transcription of AIDS: A Compassionate
Exploration.
A Message: Clinging to the Past
The third message is a desperate cling
ing to the past. You see, some of you are
very angry in your childhood. The little
boy or the little girl inside of you feels that
you were not treated fairly, that you were
not loved properly, that somebod-
y—whether it's mother or father or some
body in the family, somebody in the
"blood"—didn't love you "good enough."
didn't take care of your properly. Perhaps
more aggressively, more actively, they hurt
you. They reached out and damaged you in
some way, and you're angry, and you are
going to remain angry.
You are desperately clinging to that past
because you don't want that anger to go
away. You don't want that anger to be for
gotten. You don't want that anger to be let
go of, and therefore you hold very desper
ately to what we call the blood anger of the
past, anger toward mother, father, siblings,
or the childhood circumstance, or the con
stellation of family.
Whatever it is, you must decide. You
must look to the part of you that clings to
that past, that keeps it alive because you
want to continue to blame or to point a fin
ger or because you want to keep hold of
that anger. We call it a "blood anger,"
because what does AIDS do? It affects the
blood, and it is transmitted through blood,
as well as other very precious fluids of the
body most definitely, but through blood.
Therefore, it speaks to the blood anger
or the family anger, the parental family
anger, the blood family anger. Therefore,
those who hang on—those who insist that
"they did it to me"—make themselves sus
ceptible. You make yourself open to the
possibility of AIDS, which will be a mes
sage to you to try to tell you that this is the
consequence of that clinging, that this is
the consequence of holding onto that
anger, that this is the result of it—a mes
sage to try to encourage you to let go, to
release, to be done with it.
A Message: Desiring to Know
who Loves You
The fourth message of this dreadful con
dition is a desperate desire to know who
loves you. One thing—and we've talked to
many, many people who've contracted this
disease—all of them say is, "Well, one
good thing has come out of this: At least I
know who loves me and who does not."
Other messages: "It's heartening, at least,
despite all the pain and the despair, to find
out that so many people care."
We would suggest the message of AIDS
is just that: Some of you are in a position
ting go of it. They're trying to speak to
themselves in terms of "learn, learn who
loves you," but don't be so desperately
desirous and so desperately curious that
you're willing to die for it. Those are the
messages.
And what are the meanings? The mean
ings overlap. The fourth message is indeed
the first meaning, and there are three in
addition to that.
A Meaning: Learning Who Loves You
First of all, the meaning of AIDS is that
it is time in your world for all of you, each
of you, closely or not so closely involved in
this thing called AIDS, to learn who loves
you. You need to develop criteria, you need
to develop methods of learning who loves
you.
A Meaning: Learning New Levels
of Love
Secondly, the meaning is that it is time
where you don't think people love you, or
you don't know if they do, or you're not
sure if they do, and your curiosity gets so
strong that it turns to desperation: "I must
know who loves me! I must know who
cares! And that desire is so strong that I'm
willing to die to find out." If you are so
desperate to find out who loves you that
you're willing to die just to find the answer,
indeed you will attract this energy that
could manifest itself as AIDS.
The messages are quite simple there
fore: Those who attract this to them, either
directly or indirectly, are trying to speak to
themselves of their own defenselessness or
their own defensiveness. They're trying to
speak to themselves about the importance
of the blood anger of their past and of let
in your world now to learn new levels of
love, to add to the existing levels, to
expand from the existing levels, but to
learn new levels of love. You see, this par
ticular disease has affected the male homo
sexual community initially quite extensive
ly because in that community, more than in
any other, the expression of love was limit
ed to the Second Chakra—not that all
homosexuals only loved from the Second
Chakra, from their genitals—no, no, no!
Please do not misunderstand us here.
However, there is a predominance of that
orientation in that community
Even those of you who are members of
that community must admit that in your
groupings and in your politic, the message
was expressed very clearly: Express your
love genitally. The message of AIDS is: To
love only from the Second Chakra, to love
only from your genitals, won't work
Look at it more closely. Even as AIDS
has spread from that community to the het
erosexual community, it has spread through
the sexual energy—not through the promis
cuity, but through the sexual energy.
Therefore, in that sensing, men who sought
prostitutes or who sought illicit sex of some
sort and women who sought illicit sex of
some sort as a way, desperately, to be clan
destinely loving, have carried this disease
from one group to another.
In those parts of Africa where this
began, indeed, it is culturally powerful for
men to be promiscuous, but more than that,
it is politically powerful for men to use
their genitals as a way of expressing their
love. Therefore, the disease spread rapidly.
Indeed it is now at such levels in Africa
that most of you don't even want to begin
to look at the devastating impact of their
"sexual prowess."
You need to learn new levels of love,
not to give those up. We're not suggesting
some sort of celibacy. We're not suggesting
some sort of piety where you cannot be
sexual. No, please understand: What we're
saying is make love something more than
just sex, that you don't prove you love
someone by the movements of your geni
tals, that you don't prove your love by
activities in bed, sexually, genitally. Rather,
you prove your love by that plus additional
aspects, additional methods and means of
loving.
Open yourself to that particular capaci
ty, to realizing: "Yes, I can express love
genitally, but that's not the limit of my love.
There are other means. I can express it ver
bally. I can express it emotionally. I can
express it through all levels of actions and
all forms of activity." Therefore, learn and
begin to stretch into new regions. This is
the second meaning of what AIDS is all
about.
A tape of this complete interview (with
meditation) is available from Hay House,
Inc., 501 Santa Monica Boulevard, Room
602, Santa Monica, CA 90401. An addi
tional tape on AIDS, "Lazaris Talks about
AIDS with Louise L. Hay's Group" is
available from Concept:Synergy at the
address below.
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