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3IILL12DGI2VIIjIjK, IJEC. 4.
Yesterday the Electors on the pnrt of this
state, ffu\c thrir \ otes lor President and Vice
President of the U. S. for four years, from
and after the 4tl» March next, as follows :
Per President—Andrew Jackson 1) votes
V.Pres’t—Hw. Smith, of 8. C. 7 do.
J. C\ Calhoun, do, ‘2 do.
The proceedings were solemn and impres
sive, beyond any thing of the kind ne have
seen. livery arrangement as to the ceremo
nials of the occasion, was carried into exe
cution in the most admirable manner.
it is worthy of remark, tlmt two ol the El
ectors, who gave tln ir votes on this occasion,
were electors when Mr. Jefferson was ducted
over Mr. Adams the elder. r I hey arc John
Rutherford and Solomon (Braves, 1'or pro
ceedings in detail see another column.
The Augusta Chronicle, in n short article
published outlie 2Dth ultimo, does Mr. John
Moore very great injustice, in nssertin
that he “has come out openly for Adams,
since he was elected. 1 * If the Chronicle
will refer to Mr. M's letter of resignation,
which wc publish to-du /, it will he fully sen
sible of the injustice of its allegation. Tlmt
letter, of itself, is quite sufficient ; hut if any
thing more were wanting, we could mid, tlmt
from the most free and unreserved communi
cations that have taken place between Mr.
M. and ourselves, we are fully warranted in
saying, that he has not conic out in favor of
Adams.
Mr. Monrt 's letter of resignation cxpluins,
very satisfactorily, the causes of the course
lie has pursued—and the Chronicle, il wo
err not m our estimation of it, will take phm-
Miro in correcting promptly, the error into
winch it lias fallen.
The Hoard of Physicians of this State,
convened in this place on Monday last, the
day appointed by law. Present—Drs. An-
tony, Hamilton, Boykin, Harlow, Weems
Gorman, Graham, and Joins.
The officers who served the last year,
were le-eleetcd. Dr. Thomas Hotey in Eu-
toiitou, was elected to till the vacancy occa
sioned by the death of Dr. Watkins of Au
gusta. Three or four other vacancies are to
ho tilled, having been vacated by an operation
of a bye-law of the Board.
There is said to be about thirty appli
cants or more, in attendance for license.
Dr. Antony delivered the Anniversary \d-
tlrcss beforo the Board, in the Methodist
Church on Monday afternoon lust. Dr.
Jones delivered an Anniversary Oration be
fore the Central Medical society of (leor^m,
in the same place on Tuesday evening last
at 7 o'clock. This Society convenes cm e.ve-
during the*, session of the Board, and is
composed of respectable physicians in vari
ous parts of tin; State,
e are authorised to say, that the Board
hud no hgeney in the introduction of a bill
into the House of Representatives to rime the
applicant's fees. Beli - ing tlmt most of the
young men whonpply for license are indigent,
they consider the fees already established,
sufficient. If their expenses are to he paid,
they had rather it would ho done without a
further exaction from the young men.
They likewise, we understand,, arc free
trout the charge of having sought their own
establishment. Such an Institution was re
commend**' 1 u y , tU * • Juries ot Ogle-
uiorpc, Columbia, Jones, and other count!
mid was anxiously desired by the people
at large, who were annually inundated by the
rejected of the adjoining Stales, where Modi
mil Boards had been established with jigid
provisions.
been guilty of the set, of making a report lliat tend
ed to fit infamy upon himself hit county, and the
petitioner. Search tho rooordaot this House and see,
if a similar report couched in such.indecorous, and dis
graceful term*, can bn found. I.vary member of this
House bad n right to lay the petition of any norson,
poor m rich, or unfortunate on die taLlo ; and it was
the bounder) duty of the Senate to pay rcspecl to
tlioao individuals ; to regard evt.ry man, poor or rirh,
who came hero to make a just nud reasonable request
Why could not lb* •■ominittee have made the report
in tbeiisuHl Mild ordinary way r What was the uaewa-
mty «,f indulging in such bitter negligent feeling to
wards himself, or any other person ■ Ho would say,
tlmt if gnntlemon took that liberty to sport with his
feelings, ho would make them f«el tlio consequences
if he had talent to onahlu him. The report, no said,
ought to be thrown under tho table, or recornm.Uod
tnl it could be pio|ietly received llad any individu
al, before been went* d with such disrespect as he bad
hi on ? Was the Scnnto of Georgia ever treated in
this shameful manner beforo i Every man ho con-
rreived, poor or rich, honorable or dishonorable, had a
right to present their petitions before the House, and
it was the imperious doty of the House to rcspci.l it
If tho puti iun was deemed unreasonable, and not
ptoper to ho planted, tho comruiltoo ought simply to
stnte ihat it whs unreasonable, and not indulge in that
gross and malignant wit. Tho respect which they
owed the House and themselves, should have preven
ted it. Ilo conceived it wasthe duty of the House,
to pass some tonsure upon them, lie could not see
how the House could omit it. Evei#* man be
said, who introduced a bill or a petition, was entitled
to bo treated at least with decency. But this report,
be conceived, was infamous, and ought to bo scou
ted out of tbe House, n n disgrnro to the Semite, or
stuffed back into the pocket of ilio individual who
drew it
Mr. C. then moved that tho report and documents
be recommitted to tho Paine committeo with orders
Hiid instructions to make a decent report.
Mr. SELLERS observed that he hoped ho would
1)0 indulged to make a few remarks. If tho Senato
believed that the report of the committee was drawn
with the intention to cast a blight or reflection upon
tho honorublu member or upon his county, they wore
under a in.stake. The committee disclaimed all
such intention, and he thought that upon reflection
and by reading the report again, tho Somite would
be convinced that no mull design was intended. lie
bel oved that the committee were under tho impres
sion that such a course would give efficiency to the
claims of the petitioner. They thought that his case
was a peculiar one, and th.it iiu was entitled to a pen
sion ; and that it would strengthen tho claims of the
petitioner,by its coining wall fire stinUion of tho
Legislature So far from its being lire intention of
the committee to cast a stigma or reflection on the
Senate, or on the Senator from Columbia, or tho
county, the committee thought the claims of the pe
titioner were just, and that ha was entitled to a pen
sion. They thought it hii oxiieute case, and had sta
led so to the Senate, lie behoved the committee bad
no such intention, and if they bad, ho was not ap
prised of it.
Mr. URAWFORD of Columbia in reply, obser
ved that the remarks lm made, were under the in
fluence of considerable fueling. He still believed
j that tho report was di*rn*pfrtful, and out of the usual
ir-c. lie wouhl apk if the committee had a right
lay any injunctions upon him, or impose servicer
of that kmd, out of tho llotrm. When tho reperl
was read, ho observed, that it was prubahlo some
harsh expressions escaped, loading to impugn the
commit!*’* generally. But ho would assure tho mem
bers of that enmmilleo, that such was nut his mien
His rurnurks were intended solely for the mem
ber of that committeo who draw tho report. He re
spected tho members of tlmt conimiUue, and was con
fident they would not have sanctioned such a report,
had their attention been particularly directed to it
If his remarks wore understood to allude to tho coin
nii t.’e gene u’ly, ho sincerely regretted it. They were
lely intended to reuch tho individual member ot
that committee, whoso galling, bitter malignity In
wards him, hud drawn furih such n report- lie would
renew hss motion to have it referred to tho same cum
in the report-- to apply to lbs pour school fund, Ac.
Why should lift, the Senator elect, be called upon to
interest himself with the friends of the poor school
fund, and induce them to provide, to cherish, and sup
port an oh! man, and bis lunatic daughter -a man
who had been a soldier of Ids country ; who was worn
out by time, and service in the cause of his country—
who has sustained a character so respectable, sod who
had been driven by misfortune to ask relief? Why
apply to «<e county ? Ho would ask if such n report
had ever been heard of? lie hoped he Would bo
permitted to record the report.
Mr. President STOCKS from tho clieir, observed
that tho subject matter was not before the Senate
The question then was shall the committee be dis
charged from tho further consideration of tho petition
Mr. CRAWFORD of Columbia rose agnin and
•aid, that he was under the influence of some fueling,
hen he made the remarks on yesterday, aod.il was
.ore than probable lliat general expressions Escaped
him, that might have been charging the committee
generally. But lie had stated distinctly, that lie was
acquainted with many of those members, and enter
tained a high respect for them; that they wore too
high minded and honorable inert, ever to have sanc
tioned she report, had they seen it, or reflected up m
it -and he hoped that tho committeo would consider,
that no iLj.arks be made, woic iulonded to apply to
them , that tho wbolo of them, however personal,
were intended for tho person whodrow tho report.
Mr SELLERS. rose and said, that he hoped me
Senate would indulge him in a few remarks, ;n reply
to the gentleman from Columbia, lie knew ho said,
that the moinbersof the standing committee woim in
their scata Tho committee was numerous, and they
had agreed to the report. It was deliberately done,
be said without a dissenting voice. He (Mr. Scllcr>)
was u plain man, aud in using tho term elect, lie
had no intention of casting reflections, and that il
objected to, the Senule, was at liberty to -tf'.ho it out.
The committee lamented the deplorable situation of
tho petitioner, and thought he was entitled to a pen
sion j aud that if such a course ns was pointed out,
and payment over of monies coming into their hands,
was made the order of the day tor Thursday next
Mr WOOLFOLK reported a Gill instanter. to
authorise the Governor, to issue grants to the Metho
dist Church, to a lot in the town of Columbus, for
religious purposes.
Mr SPANN presented a Icttor from Thomas 11
Kuiian, Esq one of the ln»p< clur* of the Penitent)
ary, inclosing a letter of Col. Julio Bozeman, to the
Penitentiary committee, which were read, and order
ed to lie on the table
Mr TAIT presented the report of the Trustees of
Philornethea Academy—that whs read and referred to
lh« Joint committee, on public Education and Free
ze boo la
Mr. EZZARD presented the report of James M.
C. Montgomery and Jacob R Brookes, Commission
ers of tho navigation of the Chntlahoochee river abovu
the Coweta Falls, that whs together with the accom
panying documents, referred to the committee of
Agriculture and Internal Improvements
The Senate adjourned ’till lo morrow morning at
10 o’clock.
was pursued, that he the petitioner would receive alien
lion from the Gerieial Government. Them were some
strong circumstances he said, in his case, thal er
cod the committee, lie was placed in a situation that
rendered him unable, without relief, to procure a
support for himself and daughter. And the commit
ted thought if tho influence of the gentleman was
used, ami ibis correspondence took place, that his
claims would meet with success.
Mr. (j AMBLE obmrved, that lie regretted exceed
ingly, that this matter should he again brought b«
lore ilio (louse. Ilo thought that il sported with tin
dignity and gravity of the Henulu. lie had neve
heard of orsM.-u a similar report , and lie imped that
no attempt would ho made to journalize it. The
committee he said, lud disclaimed any intention t
sport with tho feelings of the Honorable Senator, o
his constituents,nud he (Mr. G) would he the lust
one to impute to them any such design Under tli
circumstances, lie thought the icspect the House
owed to itself, would prompt it to pretoct its own dig
nity. Ho believed the parties engaged, were inder
the influence of momentary (eeliug That both the
committee and tho member were under strong ex
cilcrnont, and he would move a reference to a select
committee.
Alter some discussion, Mr. (J’s motion was carried
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
Thursday, November 28.
ADMISSION OF ATTORNEYS.
The House took upthe hill tomlinit certain
persons to plead and practice in the courts of
this State, mid to make them liable for their
contracts.
Mr. IVERSON was opposed to the pas
sage of the lull. He said the Legislature
had passed a law giving to the Judges lit
power in convention to udopt rules of prac
tice. The rule requiring applicants to be 21
years of age, was one of the rules adopted
under the discretion allowed them. But by
this hill, you turn round and take away from
id||ptlmt power.
A singular misapprehension picvnils us to
the charactci ofn hill introduced in the Se
mite some time ago to incorporate the Medi
cal Academy of Georgia. ’Flic impression is
that the hill contemplates the appropriation
of $100,000 of the public funds to the use of
the Acndenty—whereas the only object of
the hill, in that particular, is to empower tho
Academy to hold pioperty to the amount ol
$ 100,01)11. There is nothing ut all in il, pro
viding for the appropriation of the public
funds to the use of the Acmloliiv.
GEORGIA LEGISLATURE.
IN SENATE.
Tuesday, November '-~i.
Mi SI.LLEH3 from the Comininetmn petitions,
node die fallowing to,.oil wliieli was read.
The Crtinmitleo to whom was referred tho petition
ol John Nadi of t'ulumbia countv, (a lluvnloiiotior)
have liu.i the satin) nnj.tr cuMiJeration, end Itnvo
been fully Convinced of the truth of ilia i'.icIs llatr. in
sailed. And your coiiiniitten further belie ve ilint am
ple provision is made by tho pension laws of tho
fienaral Government fur Indigent Kev.ilutiniinrv enl-
diore of the description oflltn petitioner. Yet the at
tention ol (lie etiminitlee hath been itresisltiltly drawn
to ilm deplorable situation of a fomnle llm ilaicditiT
of tho petitioner, and behoving ft, m .miemctits lioto-
tofure made by lito Suttalor elo, t from t!iu so,I mun-
Iv of Columbia, that Ilio county fundi ibernol
would justify county expenses and ettsnre apart for
J Arad,'inter. Your (onimitlue would res
ile
And
(hi
it" onlotUi.ist.
is by pencu
to request ll.i
pccS'ully recommend tho adoption of the f, !!ow
loinliitinns •
rtewiwd, Thai Ilm petitioner John Nash ho per
milled to withdraw ins petition and dorumonta, and
that *" ni'ieh (hereof nsr.lste, a, l!evolut,.,narv sir-
' iff., Ilia pctittoVer be rcqiii.sled p. lay beforo the
proper olUcers ol too Gonerol Govirnincnt in t rtler
t . | roc tiro a pens':.n, end that tlm Senator elect r,-„ m
f « county of Columbia, be respectfully -I
i " operate with tlio peuiieo r, and to too b „ b, «i C n-
d.'.vouff and influence to provutc inch oilier and ad-
d,t onal testimony (provided 4 l-e ,c„„, j, ercmu ,
he.eseary) ns may , IVeriuufly ,*„t.:„oo pension Jur-
tnit life to tint pettltonor
UtMuUi J t'uittu r, That ilia S, i,alt>. eb niftem tht
enunty of Columbia be lerpcctfully te,pirate,1 p,
mol wi.li the overseer, of the poor cud Jiistii-
« I t.in lulftmr court of p;ii,l counts, ami t
iluntourslo |»rovidu such idict' I .t ii,.
frm.ilc t dxugl.icr «<f t!»u poti
l»»v provided in such cases,
k.iid uvciseuiH uiid Justices t
stances i I ilio petitioner, an
shall i»rst Fomp. it with I,
Fir iimnances m t'ie tih-uu;
ul Goveinmeitt
A tier the Report ua» real -
Mr rUAWlORJ) . f IV.Iumhi, r
e l, that l.e e,mid 1.1,1 pnc.iui llm
Uiitteu in pouring ubusotipon LirnH. ii
uents He could see no mtsuti why th,
such a report at hi« rxpRu«Q~ p, J,.«i d
In^sand llio«eor ids con--;; •. i. >- to
floeliona upon Itimself and Ipsrt'u’nn H 0 |, ,.V t’
honor of B aeat in this Il.nise, n. t:.‘ Kvoietont.Ci
it that county, and lie had a ri..),t to , tl , ■,
• f hisoomtituto:.- < n tlio table. II. w, . :j i‘
fcnv «cnilf > tunn on tho i; »,, r> \%!. t .tt» r r a
hftii ever b«(>ii made, or he ud *.l* b.-i«
.•i-tonislicd tiiHt gr.nc and d.*:iiiti,«d u
ft'employed in deliberating uc the sub
wl «i*div tlualx. should indulge in that k
v if. He would sav that no individual t
r-T^sidf r»,:ir.rr-.V, or j;.r tl
Mr. {SELLERS observed that tho committee hod
laid no injunctio n upon ilm Honntor of Oolumhin.
That he wus ul liberty to perform those services, or
nut, at Itis option. Ilo thought the remarks of the
gentleman from Columbia, would go to stigtnaliNC
tho whole committee. Hu thought no individual Lad
iniluom o enough with the committed, to diroct their
proceedings. Ilo thought it improper to suppose tho
committee could So governed by him, or any othe
member in the same i ituution, so as to direct ilium to
in (j Lu a report coniiary to their wishes, lie said
th.it was not ilm fact that tho committee acted iode
pcndernlv, rnoly,freely nod dispassionately ; without
the influence of any individual—ho Ihr the remarkaof
tho geniloiriun could not apply to him individually
Mr PRESIDENT STOCKS from the chair,oh-
served (but it tvns painful to the chair to witness dis-
cteenon of this kind. It was tho second time that
irnptoper reruniks had been used by tho members in
deiiuie That it was indecorous for tho chair to per
mit it without suppressing them. For the future «
tlemcn must not indulge in expressions, unbecoming
them as member*, ni that reflected upon tho dignity ol
the House. Ilo ohscrvi d in that similar cases, the chair
would take upon itself the responsibility of check
A tier some other discussion, the report was order*
ed to he referred to the committee, from which it was
reported.
Wednesday, Kov. liC.
Mr. FELLERS laid on tho table tho following re
solution.
I ir, sol ml, Tlmt the coimnitfen on petitions be dis
charged from the further consideration of the petition
of John Nash, a revolutionary soldier.
Mr. KELLERS observed, that since tho delarmi
nation ol tho Semite to recommit, he had couvmscd
with flu* member* of the committeo generally, and
they bi licvcd they had freely and fairly invcfetigatod
the suhjut t, and hud reported us well as they worn a-
bin to do. lie said that tlio committee, if the terms
in whir h that report was couched was considered dis-
r« sportful or indocorous, aud tending to cast icfloc
lion on the honorable senator from Columbia, the
county he represented, or tho petitioner- -disclaimed
uuy intention of that kind—Under these circumslan
• • s, ihey had deliberately come to tho conclusion to
i*sU to tm discharged from the further consideration of
ths petition.
Mr BL-'IR rose ar*.i made a few rumarks—lle
was unch-rstiiod to s iv, that it was a strango report
and hu thought that it the committee had personated
any individual, were lie, Mr. R, in his place, ho would
speak out hohily and freely, his sentiments, whether
it was in older or not to he admitted—He would claim
it ns a eonstiiution.il pri\ilcge, to which ho wus enti
tled—lit* said, he would answer him at the risk ol
expulsion. Hu thought, in doing so, he should net
prudently and honestly, lie thought tho committee
had not the privilege to impugn tho proceeding
any men under those cin umsiuncos. They were act
ing under a solemn mtiii, and ho thought that every
member should take upon himself tho privilege four-
h»!y and candidly t»* exprass hi* sentiments, if lie
was under the impression tlmt an dibit had been nude
to sport with his IV dings or cast a stigniu upon him
self and his county nr spert with this body. It was
unfortunate, hu sml, that Mich a report had been
made, to touch tho feelings of any member—lie had
never lionid of a similar report-und lie liopod lie ne
ver should Id ar one again, of tlint description, lend
ing to ca'-f r. flection on any member, or the county lie
represent* d. Ilo thought it u singulot way uf legi®.
Thursday, Aer. ti7.
Mr CRAWFORD reported a bill to survey and
hspoHcot the unsold islands iu the Ocmulgeo River
Mr. TAIT msdo u fuvnriiblu report on llie report
of the commissioners of the Chullahooclioe River be
low the falls
ThuKenntH adopted a resolution authmising the
binding of 50 copies of the Journals of the Senate.
The hill for the relief of the purchasers of fractions
after a few remarks by Mr. Crawford of Colum
bia, was made the order of tho day for to-morrow.
The bill to establish election disdricts in Talbot
county was taken up, and after some discussion be
tween Mr Crawford of Columbia, and the Senator
of Tulhot, was passed.
The hill respecting bastardy and other immoralities
w as taken up. A discussion arose between Messrs
Crawford of Columbia, Swain liianham and .inder
son, on the propriety of punishing the woman, as well
tho man Tim bill was rejected fl-1 to 25.
The hill to secure to Mr Blown the right of run
ning a lino of stages from Milledgovillo to Augusta
for 10 )cnrs was passed.
Tha hill to lay off the Statu into Congressional dis
tricts was rejected V?4 to 24
Tho bill to compensate petit jurors in Columbia
countv, was after somo remarks by Mr. Crawford
und Mr tllair was passed neni eon.
The bill to extend the jurisdiction of justices of tho
peace in civil eusas, to enerruso their fees and to com
pel them to give bond and security, was made the or
dcr of tho day for Monday next.
Friday JVov 28.
A motion was made to reconsider tho injection, yss
terdav, of the bill relating to bastardy and other im
moralities, which was rejected yeas 2d, nays 2H
A motion was also made to reconsider the rejection,
yesterday of the bill to lay oirtlio State into Congres
sional districts.
Mr. BLAIR spoke ut length, in favor of tho mo
tion to reconsider.
Mr. CRAWFORD of Columbia opposed it.
Mr. SELLERS followed in favor of tlio motion.
The question whr then taken, and doe.ded again*!
reconsideration, yoas 2d, nays 30.
The debate will he published hereafter.
Mr. 8WAIN leported a hill to authorize the jus'i-
ces ot* the Inferior court throughout the State to iomit
fines und forfeituics where judgment is had thereon
Mr. WOOLFOLK repotted a hill to vest m St«
phen M. lngersol •& Co. tluvrlieirsand assignstherigh
to erect a bridge across the Chattahoochee River, alsc
a hill for the relief of Edward II. 1 lull.
Mr GAMI1LE reported instanter a bill to amend
tho uddiliouul oath required by law to he taken by all
officers civil and military, to prevent the olfuucu ot
duelling
Mr. WOOLFOLK reported a hill instanter to re
tnovo intruders on lands returned us fraudulent-- and n
bill to allow indulgence to renters of fractions in the
late acquired territory.
Mr. SPANN reported a hill to dispose of the Stan
interest in lot No. 438 in 2Blh di»t. of Early county
The Senate then took up the report on the hill to
appoint Commissioners to select u site for the public
buildings lho county of Meirivvclhci and to make per
munent tho same.
Mr CRAWFORD of Columbia, moved to lay it
on the table for the balance uf the session and tlio
yeas and nays being called for it was detntmined in
tliQ negative, the yeas 27 and nays 27. Tli Prcsid
dent giving the casting vote.
Several Futnimmicalious were then received from
the Governor and read
The Senate adjourned till to-morrow 10 o'clock,
> grant Iiiiu such i
**l ind
i of am in
Hii Ins
Mr- eLLI.I RS rose and said that ho hoped tho
explanation which he bad given was a clear und ex
plicit rne. lie said there wns no intention on the
|*:at »*» tlm committee to oast a reflection on sny in
dividual, or the county. He Hiu not intend any want
ot icspect- - lie vt usn.tt skilled iu parliamentary usage,
un, l , h , s phraseology uf the report might appeal to be
imhvcoioils, but Imus the representative of that com-
ll,l ' l0|, » disclaimed any such iiitonlion ms that imputed
t j hun
•Mi. t.RAWlORD of Columbia rose and wax un-
dersiiMiJ to s.) . that I;.- spoke timiei tho mfluciue of
vxatc.l louling, from the inmncrin which that report
,n ‘du. lie might have used some harsh expros
tending in imptign t!io committee pmurully,
* *“*■“ ‘ niltnu. He il.tended Ins ro
be individual who drew the
decided ihM the report wus
Hul toward* this body, and
.Ieei.tr.i lie understood, that in vvliateveV situ-
i a rnan w n. placed, whether poor or rich, if he
'* a P U 'H. ’*i respectful tu tl :> house, he was
l.tl ... G.t lioai.l iiiul treat. 1 .! .villi r..]it;.t. No
vna entitled
Saturday, November 29,
’l’l.e Senators from Morgan and Jones, had leavo of
absence for a few days.
Mr. GAMBLE, from tho committee on tho Statu
of the Republic, reported u hill to repeal an act to
cede the Jurisdiction over lands acquired by tho Uni
ted States,for the purpose of erecting Fortifications
in this Sute, passed tho 22d of December 1808
Mr. GAM RLE, from the same committee, to whom
was referred so much of the Governors Message, as
relates to tho Map of \ irginia, lately transmitted by
his Excellency Governor Giles of Virginia, reported,
A c Tho report wus load and ugreed to.
Mr. GAMBLE) from tho same committee, on the
part of tha Governors Message, respecting the agiee-
ment bolween this Suite and 8ou*h Carol na, relative
to tho navigation of tho Savannah and Tugnlo rivets,
reported, *Vo. Report lengthy.
Mr GAMBLE, ft*.m tlm same committeo to whom
wus referred the petition of the free persons of color
of tho city of Savannah, reported that they
have had tlio name under cousideiuii-m, nud are of
opini'.Tt that the nruyer of the petitioners is unieu
k liable ami otiijit nut to he granted Read and
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i tliiI, aud
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agrei
Mr. GAMBLE,from the co.r■n.i'tee on t!ie Jud
ciary, lejiorfcd a hill to iacrense the punishment i
all cases of Penitentiary confinement, aiul to alter Ih
punishm* iH inflicted on tree persons of color, r Hi
inveigling ol (dates.
Mr GAMBLE , Iruni tin. committeo t'I V.Iiurn ..n
rufliriuil tliu ic.ultili.tn If.tin lint Snimto, in r. I ttiiMi to
| tlio i’X,ieii8«i iHUiirru.t tiv Col. J,.ttl It ii»:\ . ti tin 511;
fur guarding l.udwi-ll VVatt., when in enuliiiHment
the ('t.'inimin J til of Dull, .-..nitty, ;„r .It, murdur ul’
Uuitloii Dituit'l. niu.it) b tO|nirl
Mr. OWliNVs, rc,iorti:d infctant.'r u bill, to nullinr.
i/.» tint appuintinont nl* Cduiiniitnunar*, to tul,o a*:-
knowldtlgniiiPi't .if ilwib, &o. it. uiliur^tutt-s.
Mr 3WAI.N . dlloil tip tli* bill, rt-Ulivu to tlio
»rhn.'l tuud nt' r.m.iniK'l cuunty.
Aft* r .liki utwinn botwaon Slussni Cnneford ofi'.t-
lumliia, Humble, Sellers and Puller, it.o flat
pnsued- Yew ^J —Nays !-'■
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Tlio lionorulflo THOMAS BIRi), Seintor elec!
. as muni rot
l»e Id llek lelitT.lt
rse. Wi.ei
tinni came to tliu
from ilio dainty of llnll, produced hiu credentials
8t 1 ")|l>- | ||
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) ou^ill lo 1*
board. Ti-. to t>i>
ar.d was sworn by tlio Frosident.
V course to IU
rsue in ihd.;
respect. Why then
tnuoiluco ties novel
Tho bill to extend the Jurisdiutiun of tho Justices
r
slit*, «! it!'! tl'»
commute.*
of tlm l’cuco in civil cusc*, ami to increase the foes
5* * Wit U im
ti li«\C <J,
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Why iualx
■ tt report cvl .tig on
and compel them to pivc bond and sot uiiiv, lor tlio
Self It f-t
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1. is It.'ipietclv ttset
faithful |>t!rrurrr<aru*i uf their U t o* ,n ;i;e \ *>1!rcv>n
r. GORDON tliouglittlmt the law itself,
ami not the rule adopted by the Judges ruii-
ed the diaability. lie did not recollect pre
cisely ; but if it were not so, the Judges
Itatl no authority to iiiuke the rule. They
are not appointed to m ike laws, but to ex
pound them. And if they have gone farther
than tilts, the Legislature should express its
disapprobation of the proceeding. Mr. G.
referred to the law, and found tlint it did not
occasion the disability. Hence lie contend
ed the Judges had 110 right to adopt the rule.
The only objection Mr. G. said, to their ad
mission, is that they tire minors and therefore
not liable for their contracts. The lull is in
tended to cure that defect. The objection
founded 011 tile rule of court is groundless.
The sole object of the hill is to make them
responsible for their contracts : anti we have
no right to exclude them, for if they are
found to he qualified for the practice they
have the same rights to he admitted ns others.
If they are qualified, they will get business
Let them coine,forward then: let the public
have an opportunity of judging of their qual
ifications—suppose a young man qualified,
at the age of I!). You exclude him because
lie is not 21. lie must then remain idle for
2 years. The consequences will probably
that, having nothing to do, lie will get in
to liuhits of dissipation uml he ruined forever.
Mr. WALKER was extremely relm-tnnt
to trouble the House. But lit: fell 'line in
terest in the bill, as he had the name of one
of the individuals inserted iu it—Under tin
law of 1800 every person could he admitted
who was found to he qualified. That law
does not exclude from the practice of the
profession those who are under 21 years of
age. They nre excluded by custom founded
on the rules of court, which have been ad
opted by the Judges, and have been i,n op
eratiou in the country. The objection to
the pnssnge of the bill, founded on the as
sumption that the Judges Imven righttn make
these rules, nnd have them executed and
obeyed, he thought, was not n strong one.
These rules arc not superior to the laws of
the land, enacted by the Legislature. I11
practice it is often found to he necessary tt
dispense with these rules, if they be incon
venient in their operation. They are not ob
ligatory on the Judges. The existence of the
rule, therefore on this subject, is no objection
to the passage sf the bill. The like hills
have been passed heretofore. The prece
dent lias been cshddislicd. And no reasons
that he Imtl heard urged against the hill, lie
said, ought to have licen urged against it, be
cause they might have hern urged against
the passage of former bills of this character
They probably were urged, nnd we have as
surance, from the fact that the lulls were pass
ed, that they were urged without success.—
Mr. W. said he would object to the passage
of this bill tlid it not make the applicants li
able for their contracts, so that their clients
might have as complete remedy against them
as against others. The objections against
the hill, then not appearing to him to be val
id, lie was iu favor of its pnssnge.
Mr. JOURDAN said that the objection ur
ged against the hill by his colleague (Mr Iver
son) wns entitled ta serious reflection. Even
if it was untenable, yrt it was entitled at
least to much consideration. Setting that
objection, however, entirely aside, if it he
necessary to pass such 11 law, why not pass
a general law at once, to make all motors
liable for their contracts, in all other pursuits
as well us the practice of the law 1 It is suid if
we refuse to admit young men before they art
21, there is danger of their fulling into idle
ami dissipated habits. Sir, they mav lie em
ployed, and well employed too in reading—
examining authorities—investigating princi
ples—collecting information—und preparing
themselves to enter on their profession, with
n prospect of becoming ornaments to it and
to the country'—of becoming useful to tliem-
clvos nud to society. After all that i ns been
mid, there are not so vert many eases in
which young men under 21 years are so fully
prepared for 1 ltc-.r profession. From what
little he knew of it, Mr. J. said, lie believed,
that men might lie engaged iu the study of
it oO or (it) yenrs, and still have ample room
to improve. He never saw tiny good reason
\\ by this privilege should he given to one
particular class of the community ; and lie
thought stupid policy would not sustain the
practice of giving it. You nmke these young
tni'ii liable for their contracts ns far as their
professional business is concerned, and vet
they are not liable for their other contracts.
It was an anomaly in our legislation that lie
had never been able to reconcile. To he well
qualified to enter on that profession required
extensive reading-—the most arduou
—the most patient investigation, und the for
mation of habits of industry and persever
ance, and mental discipline, that could not
he acquired liut after yeiirsofstutlv—Win then
pass such laws as this ! But if tho bill must
pass, he felt disposed to amend it by adding
n few more names. II
make a sweeping clause,
done with it.
Mr. GORDON, said, gentlemen contend
that it is had policy to pass laws conflictin'
with the rules adoptedA>y the Judges. If tli
Judges, said Mr. G. have not passed tliesi
' rs'e> in utiison w.'.!i the |jw« of the land.
they should be restrained. Here is u gener
al law 011 this subject imposing no prohibi
tion ns to age: yet the Judges adopt a rule
which imposes a prohibition in tlmt partic
ular. .Shall we permit the Judges to impose
that prohibition, when the law does not 1 He
could not assent to such a doctrine. But
gentlemen usk, why not puss a general law
to bind the minors to their contracts! The
answer is easy. Because this case these
persons apply to us for 11 certain privilege,
mid m consideration of obtaining it, agree to
yield their right ns minors not to be bound
for their contracts. If other minors come
forward and make a like application, and
agree, iu like manner to give up their right,
lie would pass a law to bind them. Mr. G.
thought it was no argument against the bill,
that young men under 21 cannot be well
qualified; and therefore should be compelled
to retitl longer. Tlmt argument, he snid,
might do very well for rich men, who have
plenty of money to spend, but it would not
answer for poor men, who want to get into
the profession, to get business and support
themselves. By admitting such young men,
you can do no possible injury to the column-
nitv, for at first they will get only plain busi
ness. Many of them nre orphans, depen
dant altogether on themselves, 11ml they arc
not able to continue long at the study, and
pay the expenses of board, clothing, &c.
amounting to 2 or 3 hundred dellars u year.
He would say let them he admitted, and get
stteli plain business us they could attend to,
and make, at least enough to pay their ex
penses.
Mr. HOLT of Clark remarked that under
the law of the land any individual could ap
ply for admission, and under the law of the
laud many individuals hud applied, nnd had
been admitted. But the Judges Imtl said
that no one should be admitted until he was
21 years of age. In this, Mr. II. thought
the Judges lutd gone farther than they iiatl
authority to go, and had attempted to legis-
Is the Legislature ready to say that
the Judges can exercise this power? Or will
the Legislature puss n law to do away the
rule? He thought the Legislature never in
tended to grunt such a power. The only
power given them, wus to establish rules of
practice. But they have deviated from tlint
grant, in tins and many other instances. He
thought it wns time to tell them that they
had gone too far. He was willing to permit
them to establish such rules us were strictly
rules of practice. But farther than this he
would not permit them to go. Suppose the
Judges bad said that >50years should bo the lim
it. Who would say that they had that power ?
Suppose they had said lid)—would we not
have been bound to interfere. Ifthey have not
the riidit to require 50 or 100, they have not
the right to requtn 21 ? Would we submit
for a moment, to the doctrine that we could
not interfere ? Would we let them g > on ?
If they were suffered to go on, where will
they stop? His opinion wns, Mr. 11. said,
that the Judges, in adopting this rule, had
transcended their authority, and infringed
the Inn s of the land; and that the object of
the bill was merely to get around the rule.
In yenrs past similar laws had been pass
ed. Why then object to the passage of this?
But say gentlemen, why not pass a law
to make all minors liable for their con
tracts ? For this plain reason, that they have
by law certain rights of which it would be
improper to deprive them. Yet when any of
them come forward nnd voluntarily propose,
to relinquish these rights, then there could he
110 difficulty 111 making them liable for their
contracts. From every view of the case, he
said, lie was desirous tlmt the bill should be
passed.
Mr. IVERSON said he did not rise to go
into a constitutional argument. Neither the
time nor the circumstances of the ease de
manded it. Indeed it .would be improper
Our Judges have been selected on account ot
their wisdom nud their integrity and their
standing in the profession. They have made
a rule to exclude young men under 21 years
of age. Now these Judges, iu convention,
Mr. I. thought were much better Judges ol
what was legal, aud what was illegal—ot
wliat was constitutional, mid what was un
constitutional, titan fitlicrthe gentleman front
Clark (Mr. Holt) or the gentleman from Put
■min (Mr. Gordon) or himself (Mr. I.) o
even the House itself. If the Judges had
believed the rule to be illegal or unconstitu
tional, they would not have adopted it. lie
had sufficient confidence in them to believe
tlmt they were actuated by the best of mo
lives, and by a due consideration of w
was their duty. The only question, then, i
whether it be politic or not to pass this bill
And in advocating it under this view, it had
been contended, said Mr. I., that if these
young men are not admitted they mav fall
into lialiits of idleness and dissipation. Now
if the gentleman from Putnnui, who urged
ibis consideration will look back on bis past
experience, it will be found that directly the
contrary of this has been the result. We ad
mit young men before they are qualified, mid
they cannot get business—they are out of
employment as students—nnd they remain
nt the bar idle. For this very want of oc
cupation they are driven to the faro bank, or
tn the card table. It has been frequently and
olton, (almost Universally) the case that they
make that resort to gain a liv ing, or toaniust
themselves Ami the poor nre more apt to
do so than the rich, tor their necessities are
greater. Mr. I. said be recollected the time
when gambling round the circuit was almost
universal. But these times have in some
measure worn away Our morals have be
come better, because this guard lias been
thrown itround us. But if you crowd the but
with young men, who nre unqualified for the
profession, sueli times as we have hat
thought it was a good provision to prohibit I
their admission till they were 21. Sir, you 1
caw t compel them to read too much law—they
can l be too well prepared. But under this!
system, as soon ns you <dnut them, they are!
too npt to throw aside their books and givtj -
“I? , ,l l,atl been the case with himselfl
with humiliation he wus compelled to cou^
less it—nevertheless it was the truth—that
since he liud been admitted he had not rend
half as much as he had before. And he be
lieved it was too generally the cuse with oth
ers. As soon as they are admitted, they are
too apt to consider that their reputation is es
tablished—they arc lawyers, nud further In-
hor is unnecessary. It would he tv salutary
regulation, lie thought not only to exclude
them till they were 21: hut even then com
pel them to pursue a certain course of rend
ing after they were admitted. This would be
a sulutary regulation, us it would raise the
character of the profession. But go on to
admit persons of 18 nr 19, and you will break
down the dignity nnd the character of the
bar—you will open the door to the pctitnpis
ol persons who arc utterly unqualified, and
you will in the end degrade the profession,
and involve clients in difficulties, who taking
it lor granted, from the fact that these young
men nre admitted, that they are qualified to
intend to important business, put important
business iu their hands, and tire perhaps ru
ined bv it. The regulation, it is true, might
operate hardly now and then. But wc ca'ii’t
legislate for every particular case. He
wtis, he said, opposed to particular and par
tial legislation. IV liy not pass a general luw
at once, if persons arc to he admitted under
21, making it obligatory outlie Judges to ad
mit them, instead of pussing all these par
ticular laws ?
Mr. WALKER observed that ns so much
had been said against the bill, he felt himself
bound to say something for it, particularly
ns he hod some interest in it. And the rea
sons ho would urge were, first, that the pre
cedent hail been established ; nnd the argu
ments which Were now urged against it, were
must probably urgetl against it then, nnd
without success. Mr. W. suit! lie did not ob
ject to the propriety of the rule tlmt had been
established by the Judges. He thought it
was proper I lint they should establish it. He
ditl not consider it to be either illegal or un-
cot stitutionnl. Nevertheless the Judges in
adopting that rule did transcend their legilim •
ate nutlioiity, and did begin to legislate—so
far lie was perfectly clear. But in adopting
this rule lie thought they bad acted on tlio
common law principle that infants lire not Ii-
able lor their contracts, nnd tlmt therefore it
was inexpedient to admit them to the enjoy
ment of professiomd privileges, without u
luw rendering them so liable. If this was
the reason, aud he thought it was, on which
•he Judges acted, the law we now propose to
' ass is not at all objectionable.
Mr. IV. said lie too would oppose the bill,
if any of the arguments urged by the gentle
man from Jones, (Mr. Iverson) against it
were strong ones, even on the grounds that
gentleman had assumed. Much indeed may
be said, both against the bill and for it. But
he never would oppose it on the grounds oc
cupied by the gentleman from Jones. For if
there be an error in bringing forward our
young men to the practice too soon, that er
ror lies further hack. Ithesinour system of
education, nud we must so legislate as that
young men shall not finish their education
so soon as they now do—As to the regulation
of this matter iu N. York, snid Mr. W. ho
happened to know something. He knew
something of the mode of study there. He
had known young men of that State while
engaged in the study ; and their time wns
just ns idly spent, us is that of any young
men in Georgia. The very fact that the
time for the completion of their studies is fix-
Knovving tlint nothing they cun do will
put them forward in their profession before
tlint time, and that examinations nre usually
slight, they do not go forward in their studies
ns has hern supposed. The very fact that
• he term is fixed more usually products idle
ness and dissipation than otherwise. As to
the argument that they are idle after they nre
admitted, nud bad therefore better remain at
their studies, Mr. VV. said he had examined,
cursorily, that objection. And the principle
on which it rests is this: Thnt the errors
nod indiscretions of particular young men,
having no high object of ambition before
them, shall defeat the wishes nnd expecta
tions of others who are ambitious of success
anil distinction. If the general law, snid
Mr. W . prohibited their admission, lie wouhl
be opposed to any particular law. Blit ns
there is no such prohibition 111 the law, he
would admit these applicants even ngainst
the rules of court. For these rules were es
tablished by delegated authority, which is al
ways inferior to thnt sovereign authority resi
ding in the legislature.
The question was then taken on the pas
sage of the bill, anti it was lost.
will
i
4 •
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was dispo:
ut once, am
probably lie seen again. They must resort
to some means or otiier to amuse themselve:
or to gain 11 subsistence. Prevent them from
engaging in the practice until their minds are
somewhat matured—until they shall lytve ac
quired some stability of character, ami these
results will be avoided. If they nre poor,
aud cannot continue the study, they can get
some business to support them, if they are
arch'honest, sober, and discreet. For no man iu
this country is so poor that lie cannot get
some employment. \
In all the other Stales, of which he had
any know ledge, said Mr. L, applicants for
admission nre required to he21 yenrs old ;
and besides this lliev are required to study 11
specific time. In N. York if they are grad
uates they must study 3 years : if they art
not graduates, they must study five Ami
even then, when they are first admitted they
arc permitted to practice only in the lower
courts. From these they rise gradual!;
tin- higher courts. The consequence is that
their courts are more re q'cetahlc. Mr. I.
*4
Monday, December 1.
O11 motion of Mr. JOURDAN, the house
took upthe reconsidered report in I he case of
F, F. Adrian—(published in the last Jour-
"«’*.)
Mr. NESBIT moved, thnt the substitute
[declaring that Mr. Adrian was not entitled
to a scat in the house] he adopted in place
of the original report.
It was ngrectl that the question should lie
taken without debate.
On the question of receiving the substi
tute, the yeas were 59, nays 50.
On the question to agree to the substitute,
the yens were 59, nays 55
80 the house declared that F. F. Adrian
was not entitled to a sent in the House of Re
presentatives.
The house then took up 1 lie special order
f the day, which was, the hill to abolish pc-
uitentiury confinement.
Mr. WOFFORD opened the debate, in
support of the hill.
Mr. HOLMES then spoke in opposition
to the nbolition of pemtentinry confinement.
Mr. STURGES followed Sir. Ilolines at
length in favor of the bill.
Mr. HOLT of Clarke, was opposed to the
passage of the hill—Before lie had conclud
ed his remarks, u message was received from
the Governor, which wasreud ns follows: —
Execi'tivb Department, (
Diccmbcr I, 1S29. (
1 lay before the General Assembly a letter
from John Moore, Esq. declining his ap
pointment as an elector of President and
Vice President of the United States. All tin
other persons chosen, viz : John Rutherford,
Robert R. Retd, David BInckshenr, Augut-
tin 8. Clnyton, Solomon Graves John J.
Maxwell, Oliver Porter, and William Ter
vc accepted the tipi,,,:..,
i.pm-t
reli.