Southern recorder. (Milledgeville, Ga.) 1820-1872, January 22, 1822, Image 2
tftt. *m:u * 'in is fUnctus officio io regard to
t>ii otlve, i* .is u iicli bevoml the power of
impeachment ns if he were physically dnnd.
C, n we i peach it min for murder ? No —
but if he imr committed «n aflimcp that ju«ti-
(i /s an impeachment «'id deprivation of of-
liee. he may, alter bis eonvielinn, lie further
tonir 1 over to the civil courts to answer for
the violated laws of his country. How then
coul.l Ibis Motor impeach Gov. Jackson ?—
Hr. holds on office, lie is not, therefore, a-
Ui ne''!e to the impeaching power. We
cannot turn him out of office, for ho is out al
ready. How, then, stands the case of Judge
VYmnenlin ? His appointment is not con
firmed hv the Senate, lie. cannot he said to
hold iin office under tin* United States. His
appointment is subject t* the. will of the l*re-
j'Jent. It was therefore indelicate to inter
fere with that confirmation. Mr. W. allud
ed to the ease of Judge Easton, in which
these principles had been settled. Gentle
man were therefore travelling out of the re-
curd. They were giving a n rdict befurr
the evidence was heard. The President of
the United States had told us that each of
those officers had dune what he believed they
thought to be their duty. The case was
now with the President, where it ought to
rest. The office of Judge Fromentin is in
fieri, nr not t.i fieri, as the President pleas
es. In our anxiety to gi t ahead of the Pre
sident and Senate, we should he careful nut
to go out of our sphere, and engage in an in-
ikliente interference, from the apprehension
of being nut of business. Mr. YV. would on -
gage that we should have business enough
<’. ,mr bends far six months to come, with
out meddling with this controversy. There
w.i. .in evidence before the house—nothing
that could inculpate the Judge, nr prove
that he had acted unworthy an American
heart. Mr. VV. knew both the individuals
implicated, and entertained a high respect
for both. He believed the inquiry unneces
sary—that it would lead to no valuable re
sult, and hoped thu resolution would not
prevail.
Mr. Edwards, of N. C’. remarked that this
was the first case in which he had known a
mere call for information encountered by so
warm an opposition. It bad been an usual,
if not an uniform practice, from courtesy, to
permit such inquiries to he made. They
were useful and salutary, and he could per
ceive no good reason why this inquiry should
be so pertinaciously resisted, lie hoped we
had not arrived at the period when informa
tion was to be bid from the eyes of the peo
ple. It was not now the question whether
articles of impeachment should he drawn—it
was a simple proposition for inquiry. If
gentlemen wished to screen these individu
als from imputation, they had selected a
most unfortunate method to attain thu ob
ject To smother information is not the
way to clear the obscurities of character.—
That reputation is the brightest which can
.best bear the light, Mr. E. did not prete d
to know the merits of the case, but lie would
vote against tin call fur information that was
lint either palpably useless, or flagrantly im
proper. He hoped, therefore, the mover
would withdraw his motiun, out of charity
to his friend.
M r. Sawyer could see no reason for sur
prise that this resolution had been warmly
resisted, especially when the mover came
boldly out with an avowal that it was to lay
the foundation of an impeachment. Mr. S.
believed it was only calculated to excite the,
feelings of the House, without being produc
tive of any benefit to the public. He did
not wish for the revival of the Seminolie con
troversy, and thought Gen. Jackson had
been persecuted enough already. He there
fore moved, that the resolution be indefi
nitely postponed.
Mr. Archer disclaimed having given Eny
opinion upon the merits of the case, and cal
led upon the gentleman last up, for an expla
nation of his remarks relative to the persecu
tion of Gen. Jackson.
Mr. Sawyer replied that the remark he had
made, was occasioned by the observations
of the mover of the resolution (Mr. IVhit-
man) that it was to lay the foundation for an
impeachment of Geo. Jackson.
Mr. Montgomery denied that lie had any
wish to persecute gen. Jackson, and believ
ed He should vote against a mere motion for
censure. If it stopped short of impeach
ment, his present sentiments would he op
posed to it—but lie wished to know whether
the Governor of the Floridas was clothed
with judicial powers, and whether the writ
*f habeas corpus would not lie in that terri
tory. If such were not the case, it proved
that there were defects in the system, which
it -would be proper to remedy.
The motion for an indefinite postpone
ment having been then seconded, the ques
tion was taken thereon, and lust.
Mr. Rankin was opposed to an inquiry
which iu its effects could only extend to a
censure of one of the parties. Such an ob
ject was loo small to engage the time of the
house in an elaborate investigation. It ap
peared evident that an impeachment against
gen. Jackson could not be sustained. A
non descript government Intel been organiz
ed f‘*r YVest-Florida. It was, to all intents
m d purposes, a Spanish government, and
depended upon priiiciplas neither suited to,
nor adopted in the U. States. The only re
suit likely In accrue fioni this inquiry was,
a laborious noil protracted investigation, of
which tilt only result ;> mild lie, that one
might he shewn to he right and the other
wrong, without the power of inflicting any
pnni-ihment upon either, except, perhaps, an
expression nf ceiiMii'r.
Mr. Randolph believed that this was not
th»‘ first instance in this House, though b<
hoped it would be the last, in which a pro
po-ution was in greater danger from its
f iends than its foes. It illustrated the force
■n! the oUS Spanish proverb, “Save me from
friWHia, ami I will giinul against enemies,’ 1 —
Mr. it. felt him.-t II hound to say that h
could no! assent to all the piinciplcs avowed
by I be mover. The President ofthe United
States b id call) d our attention to this sub
jerl and yet, for one he had been left as
much in tile dark at Ihe end of the paragraph
as he w as at the commencement. He wish
cd lot information on the suhj-ct in some
way nr other. It had been aid that the
patties were not impeachable because they
were not in office, lie was sorry to hear
such a construction of the constitution sup-
Itnrlet,—that hv resignation of his office an
"Tender might stay off an impeachment.—
constitution provides that upon ronvic-
V“ n Jimpcachme.it, not only a removal
hut a
I* * r nwi «»uiy u re
",® ce »*y l>'' the consequence,
disqualification to hold any office in I
Iv. was not rVnuiLii..;^i. ",i i
duct tvns looked at with a different rye by
the different parties. Before he sit down,
he should disclaim the doctrine which had
been advanced, that the people of a territo
ry had all the rights of American citizens.—
Tim fact was otherwise. None oT our terri
torial subjects (fur such he must call them)
could possess I hose rights. Titty’ were not
comtnunicahle to territorial governments.—
For himself, lie detested pro-consulates.—
They were tin: governments of Bashaws—
am! "he had not contributed to form or ex
tend them. YTt, though they did not pos
sess all the rights of the people of the states,
this did not prove, that they had no rights, or
that the lights which they undoubtedly had,
Bhouldnot lie protected. A proper exami
nation would contribute to Ihe healthy ope
rations of the government, and ought to be
allow) d.
Mr. Whitman replied—but his observati
ons were not distinctly heard by the report
er. He was understood, however, to say,
that his object did not contemplate an im
peachment, nor even to censure, unless,
when the facts should be developed, such
measures should evidently become the duty
of the house. Ilis propositions were altoge
ther hypothetical, and he should reserve, his
opinion of thu facts until an investigajiou
had disclosed their tendency and character.
The question was then put on Mr. Can
non’s motion, and negatived.
Mr. McTjeun thought, if an inquiry was to
he made, it should he broad enough to ena
ble the house to avail itself of all the informa
tion of which the ease was susceptible. He
wished the house to lie put in possession of
the sentiments and views of the Executiv
in relation to this subject. The conduct of
his subordinate, agents was called in questi
on. The opinion which the President
tertnined had not been disclosed. It might
perhaps, if obtained, relieve the house from
any further trouble. He therefore moved to
add to tiie resolution a further request, that
the President of tile U. States would cimi-
munieate to the house such parts of the cor
respondence of the late Governor of Florida
with the Executive as have nut been hereto
fore, communicated, and which may bo con
sistent with the public interest to disclose,
touching the proceedings of the said Gover
nor during the. period of his government of
Florida. y
The amendment was agreed to—when the
question on the resolution, as amended, was
taken, and earned.
MILITARY APPROPRIATIONS.
Thursday, January 3
Mr. Smith, of Md. then moved that
the House do resolve itself into a com
mittee of the whole, to lake into consi
deration the hill for making partial ap
propriations for the support of the Mili
tary Establishment for the year 1822.—
[This motion, being not in regular order
of business, required an unanimous vote
to carry it ]
Mr. Cocke, of Tennessee said that he
would not agree, for one, to go into com
mittee on this subject, unless the gen
tleman from Maryland would shew good
reasons for dispensing with the regular
orders of the day to get at this bill. Per
haps it wns not proper for him now to
stale his objections ; but it might not be
amiss to observe, that so far as he had
been conversant in ihe business of this
House, it appeared to him that members
were scarcely warm in their seats, be
fore appropriations of money w ere ask
ed for, although at the preceding session
all that had been asked for had been
granted. He had hoped, lie said, after
what had passed about the appropriation
bills at the last session, the year would
have been permitted to roll round before
another application was made for appro
priations. The course heretofore pur
sued on this subject, he said, had been
such as to put it almost out of the power
of the members of either hause to as
certain what was the extent to which ap
propriations had heretofore been made,
or to which they were now necessary.
He could not, therefore, yield his con
sent to take up this bill out of its order,
unless be was satisfied that the iuterest
ol the government required it. He pre
umed, he said, that this bill was not
brought forward to make up any defici
ency in the appropriations of Inst year,
or, in other words, to provide for any
excess of expenditures. The bill, he
said, proposed to appropriate money for
three objects, one of which was for the
service of the Quarter master’s Depart
ment. Look, said he, at the appropria
tions for tlip last year—
Mr. Speaker here called the attention
of Mr. Cocke to the rule which prohi
bits debate on a question of priority of
business.
That being the rule, Mr. C. said he
would suspend his remarks.
Mr. Speaker. Does the Chair under
stand the gentleman as objecting to going
into committee of the whole as propos
ed ?
Mr. Cocke. Most positively, sir.
So the necessary unanimous consent
not being given, Mr. Smith got at his ob
ject another way, by moving to postpone
all the orders of the day which precede
that to which .lie had referred ; which
motion was agreed to, 08 to 44 ; and
The House accordingly resolved itself
into a committee of the whole ou the
subject, Mr. Baldwin io the chair.
Mr. Smith, of Maryland, handed to the
chair two letters from the Secretary of
YVar to the committee of YVays it Means ;
which were read.
[The letters,dated Deo. (7 and 22, which
Mr. S. bauded in, state that the appropria
tions tor tlie Quarter-master General’s De
partment, and I lie. Indian Department, are
exhausted, and that the appropriations for
the pay and subsistence of officers of the ar
my will be so at the close of the year; and
that a partial appropriation, for 1822, of
St 50,000 fur the Quartermaster’s Depart
ment. $100,000 for the Indian Department,
and of $300,000 for the pay of the Army, is
future. I necessary. There is also a deficit in the
hedWr..^’^!? l> y jappropriation fur Revolutionary Pensions,
U * >°" M -'t be lor HUH, of 5451,860, and that sum is no-
Monthlrrtn t r,t -buweier transcendent,| vessary to complete the pavmeni* t., n..„.
Yin* the w° »". llh l,lK question, Man- j sinners for the year 1821.1
tatrd frJL 1 £L°' ,h '‘C-pM. was pre,tipi - - J
. ™a aw «i; a., i •
ly to complete the payments to pen
is lor the year 1821.] - ^
Mr. S. remarked, that the appropria-
aotshi H V '"; 1,1 ot,r government ,K ‘ n ^ lhe 'uH J’eaT had reference
stl ktiv,« t, fl0n:, inquiry—and it is V" > to the expenditures of that year.—
l >*t •vWaXwT.V on *;f a,ed ’".'»**«* eon-1 "*"* not prospective in id operation,
hi* . 1 e ’. that taunt'd* the, ^ e had now entered tinon n
^ *SSio^"b d r H J'’* n °" e " tered • new year,
cc,aJ cen ‘i^r the necessary cUebutseiaeiitu oftvhichl tureB of ^ie War Department, and each
no provision lind been made. Unless,
therefore, an anticipation was provided
for, to cover the expenditures that should
accrue before they could be met by the
annual general appropriation lull, usual
ly passed towards the close of the ses
sion, the wheels of government musl
stop their motion. The first appropria
tion regarded the quarter-master’s de
partment. In this instance it was indis
pensably necessary to look forward.—
Expenses were weekly and daily accru
ing, which most be paid, or the opera
tions of that department must cease.—
Nor could this be attended with injury ;
for the amount that should be now appro
priated would be deducted from the sutn
total of the estimate to lie presented,
when the general appropriation Lill
should he brought forward, embracing
the total amount of expenditure in that
dcpaitment for that year. Of the same
character was the item in relation to the
pay of the army and subsistence of the
officers. There had been an effort to
limit and control the disbursements in
this particular, but the means resorted
to had failed of complete success. But
this also would be subject to examination,
and deduction from the total estimate
when the general appropriation bill shall
be finally acted on. Air. S. presented
to tho consideration of the House a
statement of the various expenditures
that had occurred in relation to the Indi
an Department, shewing the disburse
ments that had been made from the year
1014 to the year 1821, in which the mi
nimum expenditure was [5200,000. A
greater sum for the current year was not
contemplated by the Secretary. It was
necessary, however, as well for the pur
poses of wholesome economy, as the pre
servation of national faith, that there
should be no chasm or stoppage in the
fulfilment of our contracts, or such dis
bursements as tvere authorized or direct
ed by our laws. The Indian Agents re
sided at a great distance from this go
vernment, and a continuity of supplies
was essential to the harmony of the par
ties and the good faith of the country.—
It would also be recollected that this item
also would be taken into the account
when the general appropriation should
be under consideration. With respect
to the amount intended to be appropriat
ed for the revolutionary pensioners, he
would observe that the Secretary of YY'ar
had expected to be enabled to pay their
claims from the surplus moneys of the
preceding year. But it now appears
that there is a deficit of 461,000 dollars,
that should have been granted to meet
the necessary disbursements. The con
sequence has therefore followed, that,
from the 3J of Sept, they have been re
fused payment. The general appropria
tion bill cannot be expected to be passed
in time to meet their just expectations
in all the various sections of this coun
try, on the next semi-annual day of pay
ment, viz ; on the 3d of March next.—
Unless this anticipation, therefore, is
made, they will be compelled to subsist
for the next half-year also on private or
public charity. The winter had now
set in, and he could not but hope that the
war-worn soldier would be enabled to
sustain the winter’s cold by the warm
and cheering influence of bis country’s
gratitude. As it was not in his power
to foresee any reasonable objection to
the appropriations asked for, he hoped
the committee would fiud no difficulty in
giving them their cordial support.
Mr. Tracy thought that when bills pas
sed the house, their titles should corres
pond with the object they profess to have
in view. The correct title of this bill,
as he understood it, should have been
“ a bill to supply the deficiencies of ap
propriations for 182!.” This bill pre
sented by the committee of YVays anil
Means was reported some days ago—be
fore the year 1822 had commenced. It
was evidently of a retrospective charac
ter. He would be glad to be informed
how much had been previously granted,
& how it had been expended, in relation
to the Indian Department, g 100,000 was
called for to meet “ current expenses.”
But of this sum we are informed, that
$ 70,000 have been already expended,
or are now due, owing to the deficient
.appropriation of the last year. Mr. T.
then adverted to the statement made by
the Chairman of the Committee of YVays
and Means, and endeavored to shew that
the amount now asked for in this item
related to a previous expenditure and
not to a prospective disbursement. His
particular objection to this part of the
bill was, that it did not carry upon its
face its true name and character. He
had, however, a general objection to ap
propriations of this sort, which extend
ed not only to the Indian Department,
but to the military service, that the dis
bursements were not sufficiently limited
and distinrt. The appropriations for
different years should be clearly mark
ed. They should not run into each o-
llier. If they were permitted to be
come thus intermixed and confused, it
was impossible to limit, define, or re
strain the public expenditure. Air. T.
contended, in respect to the deficit pro
posed to be supplied for the revolutiona
ry pensioners, that the passage of the
bill would uot conduce to their relief or
comfort, as no payment would be made
to them prior to the 3d of March. He
thought the information given was not
sufficiently explicit and there was reason
to apprehend that a loan would be cal
led for before the session should have
expired. Should such a result be likely
to ensue, it was desirable to know the
worst of it at an early period of the ses
sion.
Mr. Floyd remarked, that, for several
years past, we have heard it said over and
over again, that a greater economy was
j about being introduced into the expendi-
yenr was to produce some improvement
in that respect, the last being the most
economical. Now, Air. F. said, if I lie
YY’ar Department had been managed for
the past year with more economy than
it had been previously, he appealed to
the judgment of every member of the
(louse, whether its affairs could have
been rightly administered heretofore,
seeing that .even in this year of economy,
the expenditures had exceeded tho ap-
propi ialions. Every year, the House
was presented with such a bill as this, for
making partial appropriations ; and e-
very year the annual appropriation bill
was put off to the latest hour. Last year,
it was almost 12 o’clock ou the last night
of the session, if not past, before it final
ly passed. Mr. F. adverted to the ap
propriation proposed for the Indian De
partment for which he intimated, that be
hud no great partiality. Last year, it
appeared that upwards of 300,000 dol
lars had been appropriated for this De
partment, and now another hundred
thousand was asked for. He wished to
know how this deficiency arose, when
the objects of expenditure were specific
and designated by Congress. Unless
some good reason was given why the biil
should immediately pass, he was opposed
to acting at least on this item of it, for
the present. Iu proper time, he be
lieved he should be able to shew that
great part of the exnmces of this brunch
of the service might be wholly saved to
the United States.
Mr. Smith, of .Maryland, in replv, ob
served that a great part of the infortna
tion asked for by the gentleman from
New-York, (Mr. Tracy,) would be more
propet ly inquired into, when the general
appropriation bill should bo under dis
cussion. That gentleman had inquired
whether the advances now asked for
were included in the general estimate of
expenses for the current year. Air. S,
said, he did not know that the estimate
had been completely made out—at any
rate it was not before the House. He
could only state his opinion that they
were, and this for the alone reason that
such had been the usual course of pro
ceeding. It was sufficient for him to
say. that these sums had been asked by
the Secretary at YVar, for the purposes
to which they relate. The goner,d ob
jection to appropriations has hitherto
been, that they have been too late—that
they had been introduced at a period
when it was difficult to convass and act
upon them advisedly. The objection,
now, is that it is brought forward too ear
ly. To the objection, that the title of
the biil did not disclose its true ohject,
and that, instead of being intended for the
purpose of meeting the expenditures of
the present year, its object was to sup
ply the deficit of the last, Mr. S. would
only reply on this point, that the Codi
tnittee of YVays aud Aleans had taken for
granted all that the Secretary at War
had officially communicated to that com
mittee as true ; and that his letters do
not ask for an appropriation to cover
a previous deficit, but to meet future
disbursements. In reply to the gen
tleman from Va. (Mr. Floyd,) he would
remark that the gentleman was mistaken
in supposing that the appropriation ask
ed for in relation to the Indian Depart
ment had respect to the Indian trade—
that was a matter by itself, and was,a sub
ject for separate and specific appropria
tion. This, which was now asked for,
had referrencc to the provisions necessa
ry for the fulfilment of trade with the
Indians—to rations, articles to be sup
plied under existing laws, as ploughs, har
rows, and other implements of husband
ry. It was not a definite expenditure,
nor subject to definite limitation. The
Secretary of War had endeavored to de
fine it, but had hitherto found it imprac
ticable. He had asked one hundred and
seventy thousand dollars the last year
for the purpose, and only one hundred
thousand was granted ; and hence, it
was not extraordinary if a deficit should
he found.
rise, report progress, and ask leave, to sil a• coaled rnysi’f in a place where there w ; ,s
tunrl) fn Hi rot around me- so soon
wns quiet, (U3 il seems to he, particularly
cesxury to he still some time, before i|„.y
move about) I observed $n one pud, two
gam.
A few explanatory remarks were made by
Ale ini's. Smith and Buchanan, which, upon
the, motion before. Ihe house, were intimated
to be out of order. YV lien the question up
on rising and reporting was put and mg alin
ed.
Mr. Iloss had expected that, w hen this bill
was taken up, it would be examined and dis
cussed by sections, and (lie blanks tilled in
rotation. But the general merits of the bill
had been gone into. He did not rise to ex
press any doubts or objections to the gene
ral features of the bill. In respect to the ap
propriations for the Quarter-muster’s De
partment, and the pay of the officers aud
subsistenre of the army, he was disposed to
yield to the reasons that had been already
advanced in favor of their adoption. In res
pect, however, to the Indian Department,
he thought it his duty to observe, that the.
house was not sufficiently acquainted either
with the extent or manner of its disburse
ments. So far as it related to the item ofra-
tions, lie thought it would he found that ve
ry unwarranted expenditures had been made.
The difficulty was, that the amounts were
made up in gross, and not in detail—and, if
sirict inquiry should ho made, it would be
found that, whenever an Indian treaty of a-
ny importance was to be made, all the inha
bitants nf the country round about flocked
to the place, and rations were indiscriminate
ly bestowed, as well upon the whites as up
on our red brethren nf the forest. Tables
were spread at which four hundred of our
people would partake at once—and this too,
under the guise of conciliating the friendship
of the Indians. What physical nr moral
connection there was between a dinner by
the whites upon the bounty of the Treasu
ry, and the conciliation of Indian friendship,
it might be difficult to comprehend, but this
he could s iy, that it resulted in a very seri
ous addition to tile expenditures of the, Indi
an Department. Great complaint had been
made, and lie was inclined to believe that
these, rations were, riioro expensive to the go
vernment than the item of ploughs aud liar-
rows. Nor was this the only complaint that
had been made. It had been said that tin-
drafts for these hospitalities were made up
on the Treasury in available funds—that the
agents pocketed the premium or difference
between the standard, medium of Philadel
phia and the depreciated currency of tin-
west, and that the public suffered no incon
sidcrahle lo^s Rt both ends of Ihe expendi
ture. At all events he thought it a matter
deserving of examination, for it was very
apparent that it was a department suscepti
ble of great abuse.
Mr. Smith concurred fully in the sentim
ents generally advanced by the gentleman
who had just sat down. It would not be
lost sight of, however, that the appropiaiiou
asked for was not to cover a deficit, but to
meet impending demands. Mr. S. referred
to tile Idler of the Secretary of YVar on the
table, and remarked that whatever deficit
had ocurred, or from whatever cause it might
have arisen, was not now a proper object of
enquiry. It would become u suitablo topic
of discussion when the general appropria
tion hill should pass in review. Air. S. then
adverted to a misapprehension of his re
marks which the gentleman from Tennes
see, (Mr. Cocke) had made in relation to the
Paymaster’s Department, and contended
that, so far as related to the subject of re
volutionary pensions, he was fully borne nut
by the letter from the Secretary of War.
If he could foresee any possible injury that
could accrue from the passage of the hill lie
would not insist upon it—hut believing as
he did that both the interest and the credit
of the country required its adoption, hv hop
ed it would be passed without needless de
lay.
Mr. Floyd, submitted a few remarks in re
ply, which were not distinctly heard—when
the. question was taken on filling the blank,
in relation to the Quarter Master’s depart
ment, with the sum of 150,090 dollars, and
carried.—[Debate Io be continued.)
t red their pro-
d litem, arid Were
fii the port. Assouti
•Hi\VU \ \/VY IVA Vi.
Mr. Tracy would not, by any ir^ans, he
understood to imply the remotest doubt of
the veracity-of the Secretary of War. He
had not distinctly heard the communication
from that Department when it was read from
the table—but he had supposed, from the
whole tenor of the application, that it was
calculated rather to supply deficiencies of
the past than to provide for the contingen
cies of the future. And if any thing were
wanting to lead him to such a conclusion, it
was fully supplied by the remark of the
Chairman of the committee of YVays and
Means, who observed, before he sat down,
that $ 100,000 were appropriated by the
last Congress to supply a contingency that
required i? 170,000, and that hence a deficit
of $ 70,000 was necessarily created. Mr,
T. wished for all the information on the suh-
jeet which it seemed to he in the power of
the Chairman of that Committee to impart.
He was apprehensive, from the light that
had been shed upon the subject, that a deficit
would he found of a million and a half, and
that the appropriations for the current year
of the YVar Department would not fall short
of six millions. It did not appear that re
trenchments could be made, and he was de
sirous that no information should be with
held, and that, if a loan should become ne
cessary, it might be immediately made
known.
Mr. Cocke made some remarks on vvhat
had fallen from the Chairman of the Com
mittee of YVays and Means in respect to the
proposed appropriations for the Quarter
Master General’s Department and the Revo
lutionary Pensioners—and expressed his o-
piuion that there must he some mistake a-
bout both these items. With regard to the
proposed appropriation for the Indian Trade,
he asked whether any gentleman it) the
House was sufficiently acquainted with the
details ot this subject, to say, from his own
knowledge, whether the money asked for
ought to be appropriated. Committees on
the subject of Indian Trade and Affairs hud
indeed been appointed, but they had not re
ported—aud lie thought it premature to be
appropriating the public money until the
house had satisfactory information that it
was necessary to appro.k iate it. With this
view, Mr. C. moved that the committee now
FKOM TIIE CriAKLESTON COURIER
CLERMONT AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY.
The following extracts, are taken from a
communication made hy Dr. Bracey to
the Hon. W. D. James, Chairman of the
committee on Hot ia Cotton.
[ tVinyaw Intelligencer.
“On a spot of luxuriant cotton, which I
had observed to rot rather worse than th«
rest of tho field, 1 was induced to try various
experiments, such as taking away tile bed,
twisting the branches, wounding the stalkl
breaking the limbs, &te. I found when vege
tation was by any mpans interrupted, the rot
was uniformly checked, and the wounded
pod either healed up, or spread no farther.
I had marked several pods, by binding a
thread around them, to observe minutely,the
changes, in the various stages of rot, as well
as the effects, of lessening the circulation of
the juices. Tiie rot becomes manifest first,
by a spot of deeper green, about one twelfth
of an inch in diameter which ultimately mor
tifies, and destroys tho whole, or a gfeat part
of the pod; I found tho rot to vary in its
destructive tendency, depending on the state
of luxuriance, its situation, and the neather,
as in wet weather the plant was tender, and
abounded with redundant juices,consequent
ly mure easily punctured, and more disposed
to mortification. In dry weather the exte
rior of the pod is tough, and very little ofthe
fluid of the plant in circulation. These cir
cumstances combined, evince the great dif
ference, which may have been remarked by
every planter, in the progress, and cessation
so often manifested, during the season of rot.
In attentively watching the changes, which
r» “lilted from my experiments, in the modes
ol interruption of vegetation, tiie least likelv
to injure the plant, and at the same time ar
rest the progress of rot, I observed on onp
of tiie. marked pods, a small insect, busily en
gaged in puncturing it, in which it succeeded:
it remained with its proboscis in the pod a-
hout two minutes, apparently, extracting the
juices, increasing during that time greatly in
size, from the quantity of fluid taken in, I
suppose, as nourishment—it then withdrew
its proboscis, laying it up along the breast, k.
quickly hiding itself, among the leaves ofthe
plant. As I had long discarded the belief
that the rot waB owing to an insect, and so
different Was this from the insect said here
tofore to depredate the fields in the night, I
was about to turn my attention to some
thing else, and think no more of it—when
shortly after I saw another, emerge from its
hiding place, on an adjoining plant, and with
great readiness, reached a pod, which it soon
penetrated, and remained neurly the same
length of time the first did, and retired iu a
similar manner. My attention was now a-
wakened, and I began diligently to search for
them—success soon gave me an opportunity
of properly identifying them by close exa
mination. I left this spot, and went to a
part of the field, where no impression had
these insects, lioili
boseis’h, fare 1 diji
extracting the iui(d _ , „„ uu
.is they retired, I tied a thread mound the
pod, mid examined it attentively, hut observ
ed no change as yet—1 soon had another &
a third opportunity of marking pods, which
I saw the insect puncture. About two hours
after, I visited those pods again, and observ
ed the perforations had changed to a deep
green, exactly on the part ofthe pod, I hail
seen the insect before. The day after I vi
sited them again, and discovered two of tlm
lour, had turned dark and beginning to en
large, the others seemed less, and healing.—.
I suppose I hail by this time seen about IT#
insects in all. I caught two or three, carried
them home, and the day after, having kept
them about fifteen hours without food, I
placed them under a tumbler, with u fresh
pod of cotton, and it was indeed remarkable*
to see. the quickness they manifested in pierc
ing it. No injurious or destructive cliaugv*
takes place in punctured pods, which havu
been detached from the plant, or where ve
getation is oven properly cheeked. In mr
acceding visits to the pods marked in Ilia
ful.l, most of them rotted exactly, as I hail
observed the rot to progress before 1 knew
any tiling ofthe insects—some of them heal
ed tip, as 1 have remarked many to do, which
I did nut see punctured, both buford anfl
since thediscovery of the insects. I therefore
discard the erroneous doctrine of the dise.asw
existing in the plant itself, finding that I had
mistaken efleet for cause, and had been here
tofore, obliged to reconcile diseased plants
looking vigorous, producing healthy pods,
and sound cotton, and many other contradic
tory circumstances, which have all become
consistent and natural, so soon as the insects
were discovered.
It is a well known fact, that every plant
lias some insect, which feeds, almost exclu
sively on it. Cotton affords many insects
nourishment us the cut worm, various cater
pillars, and two branches of the family of tho
Hemnptera tribe, class Ciincx, one kind large,,
resembling the Blond Sucker, and nearly an
largo as ihe Artichoke Bug, of these them
arc very few in number, but their puncture,
which is generally about the foot stalk, is
very desti ictive. Tiie other is very small
and numerous, and would scarcely attract
notice from its harmless appearance, but in
truth is the great and formidable enemy, in
the destruction of onr cotton crops. This
small insret makes a puncture in a pod of'
cotton, which resembles exactly the punc
ture made with a small needle, yet the punc
ture made with a needle never deranges the
contents of the pod, because it takes out
nothing—hut a plethoric state ofthe plant,,
which is a predisposing and not a primary
cause, (as is alledged hy some,) becomes in
strumental in its destructive tendency, only
when a portion of the fluid of the pod lum
been taken out, though ever so small in
quantity. This fact 1 proved, among many
other experiments, in the following manner »
I constructed an instrument, with an ex
tremely small and delicate end, which I in
troduced with a puncture first made with a
needle) and drew out, by the action of a pis
ton, a small portion ofthe fluid of the pod ?
rot uniformly followed every Instance in
which I used this instrument on a plant, in a
state of repletion—yet it never occurred from
a puncture made with a needle alone.
Therefore it seems that the nutriment ex
tracted by the insect, deranges the circulati
on of tiie fluid in the pod, and mortification
ensues, hy such an abundant supply from the
plant, restoring the loss, that the powers of
the pod are unable to assimilate it.
Ilathcr more than half the punctured pods.
rot in vret weather, or on moist situations
but in dry weather, whan the plant does not
abound in juices, not mors than one in twen
ty is destroyed, the rest sustaining very lit
tle injury. This insect seems to extract nou
rishment from no other substance, as I have
kept them until they were nearly starred,
and could never get them to punctureanv o -
ther substance than pods of cotton, though
they were repeatedly offered many kinds of
fruit and vegetables.
It may, perhaps,be asked, why the greet*
seed cotton should rot, and the black seed,
when fresh from the islands, be exempt from
it ? I can only recommend to such ns find
a difficulty on that head, to taste a pod of
each, and the evidence will be such as re-
quires no great power.’ of cpicurianism, ei
ther in man or insect 9 to select the sweet a»
greoable taste of the one, from the disagree
able bitter of the other.
Naturalists assert, that immense number*
of various insects perish every year, in the
midst ol vegetation, merely because they itro
unable to find the exact food to suit their
taste. Il is on this ground that Louisiana has
been freed from the rot. As soon as the
planters ceased getting supplies ofgi eeo seed
from abroad, and their own stuck of seed
become changed to black seed, as it soon
does, hy successive planting, and the influ
ence of climate and soil, the insects perished
tur want of their proper food, consequent!*
the rot ceased.
The eggs of the insect are deposited on
different parts of the plant in October; we
bed in the undecayud leaves, and parts of tho
stalk, in spring; consequently, we literally
plant the insect in the egg state, which be
comes a worm, by the influence ofthe sum
mer’s sun, which worms, in due lime be
comes this insect, having its proper food
within its reach. These changes take placo
in the latter part of July and beginning of
August. At first they are very small and
green, and would at this time attract no no
tice, on account of its harmless appearance;
They are at this age to he seen in very great
numbers, and, notwithstanding their appar
ent insignificance, we begin to see punctures
and rot.. Soon they change to a inickdust
color, being, at this age, much less than the
Lady Bug, of an oval form, flat, without
wings, six legs, runs very fast, with a pnir
of horns or feelers, and carries its proboscis*
drawn close under, along the chest ; they re
main but a few days in this state before the
body lengthens, and they acquire wings ;j
having attained, when fully matured, the size
and something of the appearance of tile fire
fly, possessing great activity and vigilance,
they fly oft’ut the approach of any thing, and
arc not now to he seen in such numbers, but
are rather difficult to find Ht this age. 'They
feed very often in the course nf the day,
which accounts for the great destruction of
cotton from this heretofore invisible enemy.
They emigrate eastwardly, at the rate of
from ton to twenty miles annually, and ap
pear in that respect alone analogous to tin*
hessian fly.
I cannot omit this opportunity nf suggest
ing a low hints dri the important point of
prevention, and remedies. I have often heard
that Ihe burning of brimstonuin cotton fields
lias entirely stopped, and prevented further
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been made gn vegetation, and quietly eon- 1 louses from rut. As ye.t I have had no expe-