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TWDriTXfirtc cowoKUsa, SECOND HUSSION. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Friday, Jiiniiary 10. GEORGIA CLAIMS. The House having gone into Committee of ■the Whole on the state of the Union, Mr. ('undid in the Chnir, nnd resumeil tho con sideration of the motion of Mr. Thompson, to reverse the report of tho Committee on Indian Affair?, on the subject of the Georgia Claims; Mr. Owen having resinned his sent— Mr. Gilmer arose nml said, that after the ample discussion which the subject before the Committee Imd received, he should con- lent himself with stating one or two facts connected with it, and lidding a few neces sary comments. The lirst question, said Mr. O. which pre sented itself for determination wits, 10 whom the unexpended balance of the 25(1,000 dol lars belonged, after satisfying the Georgia Claimants, lie had no doubt hoi tlnu u be longed to the United States. When, how ever, he admitted this, ho wished u to he mi derstood, that, according to Ins interpreta tion of the contract between the U. Hiuies, Georgia, and the Creeks, all parties sup posed, lliut when that contract was faithful iy executed, there would most piohably he no balance whatever. Mr. U. said, that this matter would Is betlec understood by a knowledge of the circumstances under which that contract was entered into. In 1821 Commissioners on the pail of the United .Slates, proceeded to make n treaty with the Creek Indians, for the extinguishment of their title to lands in Georgia, in pursuance of an appropriation of money specially made by Congress for that purpose: that, according to instructi ons given to those Commissioners by tIn* w ur Depnrttueut,(and here he wished the Chairman of the Committee on Indian Af fairs to correct him if lie were in error,; (hey were not to nxr.ecd It) cents per acre pn price, for what they should acquire of the Creeks. That accordingly, the Coin missiutiers hud contracted with that tribe, that it should cede lo the United States, for the benefit of Georgia, four and u Imlf mil lions of acres, for which they were to re ceivu $450,000. That, after these terms bad been agreed upon, but before, the treaty Jind bean signed, Commissioners on the pan of Georgia presented to the Creek Chiefs, claims of the citizens of that State agtimM their tribe, amounting to the sum of 1480.00(1 dollars ; and required that they should he adjusted. It was then agreed, between the several parties, that the Creeks should re ueive of the United Stales ‘400.000 dollars in money, for their luud, and the remaining £50,000 dollars, which they were to have received, should he paid by the U. States to the Stale of Georgia, for the benefit of her citizens, who lutd received injuries from the Creeks; subject, however, to the investiga tion and determination of the President of the United States. In pursuance of which agreement, Mr. G. observed, that the Coin tnissioners of Georgia gave to the Creek tribe a receipt in full of all claims, debts, da mages, and property, which the citizens of that State bad against that tribe, prior to 1802. And the United States agreed to pay to the citizens of Georgia, these claims, debts, damages and property, provided the name did not exceed $ 250,000 Mr. G. ob served, that each of the parties to this con tract seemed to have Imd equal reason to he satisfied. The Indians Imd sold their land for a larger consideration than usual, and with $250,000 of the price bad paid uu account w hich the Georgians had against them of tliii ty years standing, most of which they hn l frequently acknowledged to he just, and amounting to the sum of $260,000 The Georgians were very much pleased, because, by the construction which the U- nited States Imd put upon the Constitution, their own State Government had not the power of compelling the Creeks to restore their p operty, or otherwise to do them jus tice ; by which, previously, it Imd scented ns if they were lo have been deprived entire-1 feelings of hostility bad «•( (waved te ex ist. Repeated injuries were inflicted upon the frontier iulmhitAnts, which ihc weak ness of the State Government rendered it unable to punish. Attempts were frequent ly made to conciliate the Creeks. Treaty after treaty was made, from 17811 to KUO. They were, however, broken ns often ns made, without the Government having the power to enforce them. The frontiers were very extensive, and the population so scat tered, that the Indians had an ensy access into the country every where, for ihc pur poses of plunder. Tho people were coin- pi lied to protect themselves by furtifica- tions oftlieir own making Block house.* wei e erected by them and maimed by volun tary serv ice, in order to intercept and puundi the predatory parties of the Indians. Tins service was extremely himhensomu to in- habitants just arrived from distant parts ol the United Slates, and with scanty means ol support. Mr. G. continued to say that the lass of Hlnves, horses, and cattle, could not then he repaired by the People, as they could at the present time. The value ol sudi property was fur greater then, than at present. The country was lo be cleared of its forest to fit it for cultivation. Labor was not to bo hired. There was no supplying the place of a lost horse or stolen mule, lie- cause the People, in moving from Virginia and North Carolina, found it difticult m car ry with them a sufficient supply for their own use. The In*s of cattle, .Mr. G. said, was particularly felt, because thereby tin People were deprived of their most usual nml cheapest means of subsistence. One of tho principal inducements to the settle ment of liie country Imd been tlie ndvtniia ges which us extensive range presented, a hounding, im it did, with grass and calm. Tho exuberance of the natural vegetiui it of the coiinii y, instead of proving an advan tage lo the Millers, bail been frequently the occasion of their greatest losses, by exposing ilicir hm-se* and stock lo the thieving habits of the Indians. Hilt the irijniies, Me. G. said, which the frontier iiilialiitaiilssull'ercd, by having their 1 coll, fe prupei ly plundered mid destroyed, were ac- | c.liiinmni •f i6»«e, Ike poiiieipa! ®f wLi A had been allow sil. and upon which internet had been refused. Mr. G. raid, that he hnd already endeavored to show that the most liberal allowance ought to he made in favor of all tho claims before the Committee, lie did not consider the claimants as demanding in terest of the Government, hut ns insisting upon tho equitable lien they Imd upon the fund-.i in its hands, for n full and just com peusation for the injuries they hnd sustain ed. lie did not consider that interest upon the value of llieir losses from the time when their property wastaken or destroyed, would really he ample satisfaction to the claimants ibr the kind of depredations committed up on them, but »« furnishing the only fixed rule by which an uniform estimate could he made. The claim of interest was upon the fund appropriated fur the payment of the claims, oml not upon the public Treasury. The question really was whether the claim ants, whoso demands Imd remained unsatis fied for thirty or forty years, Imd not a more equitable lieu upon the unexpended balance of ibe $250,000, for compensation to them for the lime they Imd lost the use of their properly, ilmu any right to ii on the part ol ihc Government. That compensation to the claimants, had, however, been resisted through the opinion of ihe Attorney Gener al. The claiumn'.H would have been better satisfied lo Imvc had the justice of their de mands decided upon by the sense of equity of the Chief .Magis.rale of their country, by whom, according to compact, they wore .o have been adjudicated, than by the tech uicui rules of the Government's law ofliccr. That high officer hnd determined that in terest did not follow a claim for unliquida ted damages. Nominally lit- was right ; but, sohstuiiiially, w rong. The claims were not for mil q a i da ted damages, lin i for specific property in iin- possession of the Creek In dittos, winch Irvl nipod lo cil,zens of Geor gia, and winch tl.e Creek Irilie, by various treaties, !i,.d promised to restore lo its own ers. It’ '.lie Indians could have been r:ir, 1 in the law, the remedy for ilia Georgia would Imvu been an action d tr< eiioip;mil'll by evils the extant of which ver, in which they would have been en'itlcl could lie only known lo those who hud felt I to recover their property, or its full value, them, lie said it was his fortune to bate ] m lieu lliereuf, together with damages equal been a native of the country which bordi r to the value of tho u*o of the proper i v tin mi ed then on the Creek and Cherokee hunting I the lime at which it Imd been demanded, un- grounds. He could yet recollect the liomd ! id tho teimir.niinn of the suit. That was views of the Indian scalping knife, wine h 1 the law of tho State w it Inn winch both par- ware presented to him in the dreams of bis I tm* resid'd. Ii was a rule of equity, that childhood. From the couinienreineiit of ilm Revolutionary war until 171)4 auj ’5, the Creek Indians continued lo commit oc casional acts of the greatest barbarity upon llio frontier People. The Government hau been either unable, or neglected to furnish ilia necessary protection to its citizens. Af- 11 nr compamtatioti fur injuries should he ful ly equal lo ihc loss sustaine:!. Wr.a there a- n y mi sun why l Im Geergm claimant s should uol hav e that justice done them bv their Go vernment, wlnih one citizen could compel of uiudber by the strict rules of law t — Surely, it was not bemuse the Government tern military force was finally authorized by bad neglected to compel the Creeks to nor ibis Government, nml troops had boon cnlis icd from among the People of Georgia, il was a matter of history, familiar to every member of the Committee, tint', those troops had scarcely yet been pant. For more than thirty years, year after year, they hud pe-I titioned in vain. Mr. (J. said that he had attempted to de scribe the kind and peculiar value of the pro perty of which the Georgia claimants had been plundered by the Creek Indians, their continued apprehension of Indian attack*, and the want of protection on the part of tlie Government, in order to shew, more clearly, the injustice which hud been done them, liy the manner in which their claims had been heretofore adjudicated, and as the best commentary upon the reasoning of the Secretary of War and the Attorney Gcuu- ral. Mr. G. then proceeded briefly to consider the different classes of claims w hicli be sup posed hud been improperly rejected: First, dint lor property destroyed previous lo the treaty of New-Yurk ; secondly, that for in teresr upon claims which had been allowed ; and, thirdly, thut for the value ol the in crease of those female slaves who had been taken by the Creeks, and not restored uc- ording to tho conditions of treaties. As to the class of claims for property dcs- ly of redress for their injuries. And the troyed, which had been rejected, because the Commissioners of tho United State* were gratified,because they hud beeu enabled not bnly to perform the purpose for which they had been originally appointed, by procur iltc a valuable tract of country for the State u! Georgia, but also to render nu essential service to a large class of injured citizens. There whs also a possibility, that, by its- miming the payment of the claims of the citizens of Georgia, with the power given to the President to adjudicate those claims, that tim United States might have it less sum to advance than that which it would other wise have been obliged to have paidjthe In diana. It was to be. remarked, too, Mr. G. laid, that the United States’ Commissioners treaty of New-York did not provide for them Mr. G. said, that the treaty at the Indian Springs specially contracted for the pity merit of properly destroyed prior to 18112 tl/ut it was Mpcdiest to bare further legiala- uon in laTor of me claims of the citizens of Georgia. —oOfe— IN »t.NATE. W'kdneidat, February 4 Agreeably to notice given, Mr. Bentonaikod and obtained leave to introduce “ a hill lo provide tor the gradual increase of the Corps oi Engineer!, and for other purposeswhich vvus read, ami pas. sed to a second rending. The Chair communicated to tho Senate a mca- saye from the President of tho l tilled States, trans mitting, in compliance w ith a resolution of the Se nate ol January 20, n report ol the Secretary of Stale, with copies of a letter of instructions to tbe Minister ol the United States in Mexico, anil of his answer, relating to the recovery of dehls in that country, due to American citizens. Tiie Chair also communicated a letter from the acting Secretary of the Treasury, transmitting a statement of the amount of duties on imports which accrued in etic.li quarter of the year 4827, and the three first quarter!: of the year 1828 ; and also an estimate oi the amount tor the fourth quarter of the year 1828—jtrepared in obedience to u resolu tion of the Scnute of the 2ith ultimo. The Senate then proceeded to I lie consideration of Executive business, and sat with dosed doors for near throe hours ; when they adjourned. TmJiisn.iT, Ke hr nary 5. The following resolution, yesterday submitted by Mr. Hoyne, was taken up for consideration : " H'SolreH, That the President of the U. Slates he requested to cause to he laid before the Senate a detailed statement of the expenses incurred in fit ting out and preparing an expedition lor exploring the Pacific Ocean and Soiilli Seas: together with the ndditinifnl amounts whirl) will he necessary to cover all the expenses of such an expedition. And thut lie also be requested to cait.-i: to be submitted a detailed statement, shewing the several amounts transferred from the dliTereni heads of impropriati on* for ihe support of ihe Niwy to (his object, and the authority by which L.ich transfers lmvc been made.” Monday, February il. .Mr. Tatiwtll, from t!i° Joint ('oninilrtee appoin ted tor the p n pose, reported, in pari, the follow ing rcsoiiil on : /■V.tn/ret/, Thatthetwo Houses shall nxaemhlein file ('hamherof fii • House of Representatives, on Wednesday, the illli day of February, 1829, ut twelve o’clock ; that one person he appointed Teller on fin’ part of the .Senate, and two persons he appointed Ti Hers on too part of tbe House, to miik e a list of tlie votes for President and Vice IVc-ident ol the United States, a* they shall be de- clauni ; that ilie result -hill 1 tie delivered to tiie Prefidsul ol lio; .Senate, who shall announce to the two Houses assembled ns utTresaid the Slate of the vote, and the person or pertains elected, if it shall nojear Unit a choice hath been made agreeably to the Constitution of the United States; which Ootniiiuuieation shall he deemed a sufficient deck ration of the person or persons elected, and toge ther with n list r.l votes, shall be entered w:t the Journals of the two Houses. The report was rend, and agreed to, and Mr. Tnewcll was elected Teller oil the part of the Se nate. HOUKE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Wf.iwksuav. Feb. 4. ORGANIZATION OF TIIE MILITIA. fvlr. Thompson, from the Cni.miuee on the subject of the Militia, tnado u report, ac companied by.u bill to provide more ofl’ec- tually fur tho national defence, by organi zing, arming nnd establishing a uniform mi■ lilia throughout tlie United Suites, and to provide for the discipline thereof; which lull was read the first un i second lime, and committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union. COUNTING ELECTOR\L VOTES. The resolution from the Senate, propos ing the appointment of a Joint Committee lo ascertain nml report a mode of nxamitt mg the votes of President ami Vice-Presi dent of the United States, and of notifying the persons darted of their election.” was iltnti called up, rend, and adopted by tlie House. TONNAGE DUTY. The Hons- proceeded to the, considerati- i on of the bill to repeal ihe tonnage ilmies Shall this bill Ut» e«fr*|ged, it lid road the I and those hardy und gaifen third time? I were Ufiessaiv ibr tin- ; mi-. On this question, the yeas and nay* were) extended neuhourd id the 8 sailors, nib. .i.• l ilm U'f \\ PHI. ’ rise fo thn Mi-smaqipi, iho great outlet to Mr Hamilton said, fte did tn purpose of discussing the tariff' rite w rungs which Ins constituents suffered unfiei it should not betray him into smii ar, , .imt- souabl.t and unavailing discussion, IL ,,so merely for the purpose ut giving the rmsum which should influence Ins vole against iho bill—of the correctness of the principle up on which the bill rested, lie ha i no doubt and harmonizing as it did with the princi ples til free trade, he should have felt di-po- sed to have supported it if lie did rto! thinjt, that the success of this great blessing to tho industry of iu.ni, would be better promoted by tin! House refusing to aci on temporary, partial or sectional ameliorations of tin, ru-i strictive system. He ha I no faun m those, polities in wInch there was no jsdiry, and' still less, however highly he respected their, motives, in those dalesmen who, to be con- . sistent in appearance, are eternally uieta-. physically right, and prueiicaily wrong, lie, was willing himself to postpone a small gooff for u lime to accomplish in the end u great-, or. We all know how the Tariff was passei^ in its fell swoop embracing till interests.—; Do not, therefore, let us begin by partial re medies; if wo commence in one section if • the Union to take off it* burdens, wo shnW end where we begin. Our onlv security fop a coumiou participation of ull.iutlie bene fits ol a repeal of this odious system, is tlie common suffering of the various members of this Union, which is infinitely morn likely than nu aivstruct case of justice to procure relief. It Ls true, that the Tariff was ro ictcd duT ing the strife lor tltj Chief Magistracy of' this Republic, and equally true tlnu we have been justly tebuked by a British minister in hia place id Parliament, for permitting thirj measure to be governed bv the political cal culations of thut eveut. The truth of which, no member of thin House would have the hardihood to deny. If there w as surli n. man present, he challenged Inm to come forward. For tho evils of such legislation- form tho stipulations of tileor treaties, llnd die Government done its duty, the Gocirg.n claimants would linro Imd their property insioi'od to thorn tnoi'o tlinn thirty yaais a go. It could not bo said, that the State of Geo. had neglected tho use of any means in its power to obtain rndn ss for it* citizens.— Mr. 011.mr.n then rend resolutions of the Legislature of that State, directing the man ner in wliirli the claims of its citizens should he proven, and demand made of tho Creek Indians. The Attorney General Imd given, as a reason why intetest should not he al lowed upon the Georgia claims, that the property for which they had been paid, Imd been estimated at double its v.iltto. In this, ha speaks without authority, nnd most dis respectfully of tlte character of tho United States’ commissioners, nnd the witnesses by whoso otitlta that valuation was made.— There xvero many other most obvious ob jections to iho opinions of tin* Attorney Ge j u pnn ships and vessels of the United Stnlps. ncriil. lie had determined, lor reasons pc i and upon certain vessels; and tho question uliar to himself, not to urge that stthjcc: ij Iming on ordering it to be engrossed for u 3d demanded. They were ordered by the House, and, be ing taken, stood us follows : —Yens, 94— Nays, 78. Ho the bill wan ordered tn its third read ing, and thereupon, the House adjourn ed. Tuuusday, February 5. Mr. Drayton, by leave of the House, pre sented a memorial of the Sou'll Carolina Canal and limit Road Company, praying Congress to subscribe for two thousand live hundred shares of the cupitul slock of their Company. Mr. Hamilton, from tlie Commitee on Re. Irenchment, reported a Rill providing for the reduction of the interest on the United States’six per rent, stocks and for tho re demption t hereof. This hill was twice read, nnd committed. Mr. Smytli said, that, ns ho had now al lowed gentlemen sufficient time for reflec tion and decision on the resolution he had some time since offered on the subject of u mending the Constitution of the U. States, he would now move that it be taken up and acted upon ; and oil this motion lie demon (led the yetis and nays : These were ordered liv the House, and, being taken, stood as follows: Yen* 9t>, Nays 87. So tho House agreed to consider the lies-’ olution. Mr. Smyth offered tho following amend ment, and asked the yeas and nays: “ Strike out the whole of the amendment, nnd insert the following : “ No person who shall Imve been elected President of the IJ. Slates, shall be again eligible to that nlli -e.” The Speaker said tlte amendment would lie received ; Iml ns the hour had elapsed, it would lie on the table till to-morrow. TONNAGE DUTIES. The House then proceeded to the consid eration of the lull to repent the tonnage du ty on vessels, which was ordered for u third rending to-day. The question was upon the third mailing — — ... - of the bill. On n division, there appeared i tbe country called loudly fur redflte^ . Will ayes 81; before, however, tho nues were j this House reader this retributive just! counted the suffering ? If they will, let us move on Mr. Moort, of Alabama, asked for the yeas i nnd lift the incubus that is paraliziug the and nays. j best industry of the w hole country. Do nof Several tnombers exclaimed,” no no.” let us stop short on such nu inconsiderable Mr..Ifooiii contended, that tho negative 1 itom as tonnage; let us t aise the weight from, part of that proposition not having been all tlte great staple articles of consumption put, lie was authorized to ask for tho yeus: and let us do our work effectually and nays. f Depend upon it, we at iho South, s-usjteC$. The Speaker said, that u member was en- j nt least how this game is to bo played. The. titled to a*k for the yens and nays upon the j tariff is a very had nff'sir, operating ou some, decision of the House, on any stage of a inletestc, and a very commendable cotitri-. question. It was it consiitufionnl right of vance acting upon ctiters. We are not ec iv hich no representative of the people could I blind ns not to see, that il it) detail its bur- be deprived. dens can be removed from off the ahoitL. The call for the yens nnd nnjs was sup- ders ol' one soction of this Union, the sys- potted, and they were therefore ordered. j tern is fastened upon another by a law, the any further. His colleague [Mr. Wit.nr] had performed that duty in the most satisfac tory mniniPf. The third class of claims rejected, Mr. G. said, was that for tho increase of those !'" male slaves, (vim had been taken by tit" Creek Indians from (tin citizens of Georgia, and not restored according to tho conditions of their treaties with that Slate, and those with tlie United State*. These claims were founded tit that principle of lavx, by whiol This stipulation of that treaty Imd been pres-1 11,8 inane of female property followed the spd upon the House with us full weight by his colleagues nnd other gentlemen. It was not his intention to say tiny tiling more up on that subject, lie was desirous of show ing lo the Committee, that the provisions of the treaty of New York ought not to affect injuriously tlie claims of the citizens of Geor gia. That treaty, lie said, wits perhaps, the first act of the United Slates’ Government, which usurped power which properly be longed to the States. It was so considered toad taken care that this Government should [ at tbe time. The first voice heard in the not, in uuy event, pay more than two hun-1 Congress ol the United States against the died and fifty thousand dollars, and with a I iurtber beneficial proviso, that whatever Rum should he found due, might be paid in live aitttuul instalments, and without inte rest. Mr. G. observed, that if tbe view be bad taken of the contract between all the parties was correct, be thought there could be no difficulty as to the disposition of what should rouiaiti of the two hundred anil fifty thou Baud dollars alter satisfying all Urn Georgia olunnants. Mr G. eiiiJ, that he would preceed to ahnw that the United States’ Government had not done justice tothe Citizens of Geor gia in its adjudication of lltoir demands n gainst tho Creek Indians. They had beeu told thut they should be satisfied, because that adjudication was made by Hit arbiter ncroaching spirit of Federal Dominion, was from a representative of Georgia, in rela tion to tlte treaty of Nevv-York. By that treaty, the Government of tbe United Htate- guaranteed to the Creek tribe of Indians, lands which that tribe had previously con veyed tn Georgia. By it, the United States obtained from the Crueks a stipulation, that they would hold tn treaty with Georgia: And, by tile same treaty, the United States a- greevl that, if any citizens of Georgia should attempt to soldo on lands claimed by the Creeks, such citizens should be placed with out the protection of the United States, and punished as tiie Indians thought proper. Mr G. asked the rtietnhers of the Com- mittoeto examine that treaty, and judge fur themselves, whether tho citizens of Geor gia ought to lose the right to have their in b lK v ^ chosen hy themselves. The proper answer juries tedresseil, because compensation was • 'not provided by it- What right Imd the United States’ Government to place beyond its protection, its citizens, who by virtue oi grants of land made to them by the State of Georgia, within its own limits, niul in pay ntent to ikuse citizens for rev olutionary ser vices, settled on lands which the United States thought proper to consider Indian property ? By that treaty, a citizen of the United Slates might have been burnt ut the Indian stake, without (he right of rescue by his Government. It was made, too, by one Mi'Gtlv ruy, the son of u Tory, and an Indi an, who fell, by inheritance, the deepest ma lignity and most unrelenting revenge to wards tlie people of Georgia. What menus had tlte people of thut State of making known to the United States’ Government, at the treaty of New-York, their claims for property destroyed? And yet, because of iln ir omission to do so, a considerable por tion of the injuries received by the People of Georgia of the Creek Indians, previous to the making of that treaty, were to remain unredressed. Whs it right lor the United Stairs to take advantage of its own wrong? The second class of cluims which bail to which, Mr. G. said, was, that that circum stance aggravated the feelings excited hy the injustice done them, especially as thut arbiter bad gained in proportion to their loss. Sir, said Mr. G. this Government never catt compensate the citizens of Georgia for the injuries they teceived front their suvuze neighbor*. Those injuries could not be es timated in money. Mr. G. said, that tlie most rigid rules had been imposed by the Government upon itself, in allowing the claims of tbe citizens t.f Georgia. Ifedjd not intend lo my thut the Government intended thereby to do in justice to those citizen*. He thought that the peculiar circumstance under which those claims had originated had never been considered by tha Government. Had that been done, he believed it would have been convinced that the $250,000 wa* a very in adequate satisfaction of those claims. Mr. O then proceeded to say, that, dn ring the Revoltuionary war, the inhabitants of Georgia were,.at one time, almost entire, ly driven beyond its limits, by the Creek Jndiuos and their allies, At iw conclusion. state of its mother. The right of the Georgia rlnimnnts to re cover the identical slaves they hnd lost, vvns acknowledged hy all the treaties having re- ferrenre to that kind of property. The sti pulation* of u!l thetrealies was, that ihette- grous taken from tho citizens of Georgia should bo restored, mill tint that they should ho pniff for in money. If the Indiana who were in possession of the issue of the feninle slaves could have been sued in the Courts of Georgia, by the original owners of such female slaves, the Georgia fluinuints would, no doubt, have recover) The claimants contend for no right but what wns sanctioned by the law. The dif ficulty had proceeded from the iinpossibilitv of compelling that branch of the Govern ment which alone had the poix cr of redress its hands to enforce that right. It was well known to all the Southern gentlemen, that female slave property which was own ed thirty years ago, had yielded a much lar ger profit than any otlierequal ninnunt of on pita I whatever. And hence it was, Mr. G said, that the Georgia claimants, who had lost such property hy the nets of the Creek Indians, were entitled to the redress sought for them. In conclusion, Mr. G. repeated, that bv the treaty tit the Indian Springs, the Creek Chiefs Imd contracted to relinquish a cer tain quantity of land to the L'. States, o» condition that it would pay to them9Ci0,000 dollars in money, and satisfy ike claims of Ceoigia against ttmir u ibu", astimaierlby the parlies at $260,000, That ti,n value oi’ the ling Mr. G Inter took the floor in opposition to the hill, and went inio >t spoerli of consi derable length, in which lie contended that the present duty on touting-' was light, was collected ut a small t xp-tise to the G worn ntent, and had I, ss chum to lie remitted, than aim ist any other, tinder which die peo ple were laboring. He compared tin: a- inount of the duty v. i-li the largo sums appro printed for the benafitof navigation, in tin' improvement of harbors, erection of fliers, ligltt-honses, &c. and expressed bis unwil hngness to remit any of the existing duties until the public debt should be paid, when all the burdens of tun country ought to be light nned. 51 r. Sprague rose in reply, and defended the hill with much zeal, denying that either the light it ess oil lie duty, or its being collect ed at a small expense, was any valid reason why it should not he repealed, if onorott* and'lijurous in its operation. He stated the present condition of the navigation interest, and the severity wiiti which tlte duty o perated ; especially on that portion of it, encaged in the coasting und West India trade. He deuied the principle that a pm tiruhir branch of industry was not to he re lieved, unless its returns to government ex c.-edecl the sums laid nut for its benefit ; d> - nying, .' the same time, that the sums ex pended mi hai hors, piers, and light-houses, were chargeable on the navigation interest. They were for the benefit ol commerce, aim ul'imiitely for that of agriculture and inatiu- file'urns. When other duties Imd been re mitted, that on .shipping had been continued. He went into n particular statement on the -object of the public del)', with a view to shew that the remission of these duties would not prevent iluvi debt from being paid ns soon as the stock should he redeemable. After an unaticeessful attempt by Mr Long, to Iny the lull upon the table, Mr. Gilmer rejoined with considerabl warmth, insisting upon tlte ground he Imd Mr. Williams moved that the lull he recom milled to the Committee of Ways ii Mean*, w uh instructions to consider tlie expediency of including within its provisions, a clause to repeal the duty ou salt imported tutu the IJ. 8. Mr. Williams concluded, by asking for the yeas and nays upon his motion. Mr. BartliU culled for the previous ques tion. On n division of tbe House, as to tbe se conding of the cull for the previous ques tion, the numbers were, ayes 78, ttues 84. Tlie bouse therefore rejected the call. Mr. Martin asked if the rejection of the call for the previous question did not, uceor ding to the rules of thu House, Imve the ef fect of postponing the main question before the House. The Speaker said, that it certaiuly would have such effect, if the rejection was upon the call itself in the first ittstnuca ; but the present rejection was tipou the question of seconding the call. •Mr. Dong proposed that the (.’ouitni’.toe of Ways and Means should include also, in die bill they were instructed lo report, a clause providing for the abolition of thu du ties nit molasses imported. Mr. It'illiains accepted tlte proposition as a modification of his moiiou. Mr. Marlin said that the question a3 to the propriety of reductug tha duii»s ousalt, had nipre than once been brought bofi.ua tho House. There was no single question of taxation in which the people of tho United ) object. It States were more deeply and sensibly tutor i ftl| d Moar. : law of necessity as fixed and eternal ns fate. A hundred thousand dollars taken oti" ut tonnage this year, half a million ott'of lens the next, three millions the year after front hemp, iron and molasses, and n t-erninble Ibr tint surplus in the Treasury would dor the Tariff on the interests of the HouV niimitigated aad perpetual, for its operation to meet even the tardy exigencies of the pub« lie dobt wonld ho thrown ou those great sta ple urticlos of British manufacture, cotton, ivolllen and hardware, which form the very means and resounzes for thu purchase of the products of our industry. No, let us go- baud and hand in the groat work of retribu tion, i.ncl extend tin equal nad exact justiofc. tn all. He was willing now to commoRi:**! hut ho was not prepared to start u siagfe- shuat until all tho down baulj were ready.. ati.J still leo* wa* ho prepared to permit' others to escape out of a snare izomowhat of their own laying, whilst tho people hi represented were ninnarlejj nnd opprussev- iit almoot hopeless injustice There was ut least sumo consolation iu smuggling in cofu- mou suffering*, if by cczmor, efforts evil's- ware to ba removed. I'ya would theretoru Yltiry cheerfully voto I'/,- tho hill, if, in addi tion to the ntnaad’/touts, an amendme.'il which ho had prepared vvus adopted. ['Yh* Sp»nk<*r informed Mr. LI. that bis auietidnient wo'/ld not uo.v be in order.] Mr. II. thru seat, he would reed hio ft'* aiandiuont fovtlie purpose of indicating his ms, that the Committee of Ways I.mild ho instructed to report u sli d There was no impost more huavilv reduction of tho duties also on all cotton nnd oppressive, nr whose effects were more itu-1 Woodezi goods, on all arlii les lUunutac- inedmtely felt, than upon that urliclo, v> hich luvod, trout iron. To which he wns willing' w a*an absolute aud iudmpousible uocc.vtary | lo i ,dd nuy or all other articles which gentle*, of life. Tho subject of us roduotioa oy 'jn,*u might suggest, on which a single con- abolition had been several times subutUrjdSuuiur paid ati unjust tax. to that House duriug tho hist sesaiou ; hut I Mr. Sergsimi loilovved in vindication rtf it hnd been invariably evaded ho belt sved I thu bill, audio opposition to iho various n- by certain gentlemen on that floor, \v'oaup-| uieudmeots which had been proposed toil peared ns if they were uot disused to. tueot lie question. Perhaps it was runviucl.ari table on his part lo infer, that nouzo ,8tato* were anxious lo keep up the high t /yiro of salt,on account ot being extensively con- erned in the manufacture of that commo dity. lie repeated t-ltut that tax bore more heavily upon the community generally than any other ; a very large proportion, he was not estimating too highly, when he sunt nineteen-twentieths of the 'people xvtts af toil hy it. It whs not ho xvover, bw inten tion to discuss the subject then; lie wished j A groat evil of tho taiitf, of which so much had been said, was, that too many things- were heaped together in a utasa, on which duties were imposed hy the provisions of that bill; and uovv the sauna error vvu* ** he repeated, by repealing those digt-es i„ a similar mass. The uaieudineuta to in/bill before the House, went U> in'; c jy t q e 1U1 . posts on salt, tea, u»;. V< cottOD and woollen guo< c, hard-ware—a sweeping tue.uiut'u q’jje avowed object of the SS 0 '. ju.'.uti front South Carolina, (Mr. Ham- Ltoi'^jwns to incorporate the whole of the the debate upon it postponed until thu*>| tvffj'j,, the bill for the repeal of tbe tonnage gentlemen who lolt inclined to suucliop tl> „ i duties, for tho purpose of getting rid of those onttnuance of the d'zty might prepare '.neir I provisions of il, which were the most oh- lands relinquished hy the Lillians, was rou- Ins views. arguments in stip|«>rt of ihoir ii„ (Mr. Martin ) sh wild he l.app-; Uj heni / t |, oaB arguments adviced; for Vuey would, if con- ' ,n,-ln «' 1 ": I'wfertU :,ov /.] to him. For the purpose winch l»- 8 Ua.,, then expressed, lie fri ivea u* t', 4 Q consideration of tlie pro posiiK.n ot gentleman from North Caro- ht’b, (Mr. tVilliatns,) and the lull until Mou- formerly tak' i', nnd pressing v arious const t day derations in illustration and coidirituiic;n ol 111r. Kremtr asked his friend from South sidered by them as worth 450.000 dollar tberuLiy making the consideration teceived by the United States for its contract to pay the einzt'iis of Georgia equal to the sum of 250 000 dollars. That the United States having the power to adjudicate tlte claims of those citizens, hud circumscribed them within such narrow bounds, that the larger portiou of the fund appropriated by the In dians for tlteir payment, had, instead of he mg applied to that purpose, gone into the Treasury of the United States. That it was inconsistent with her character as an nrhi ter, and still morn with her national charac ter for justice, to deprive Iter own citizens of a fund which hud been appropriated ft the payment of losses sustained by them, under circumstances of peculiar hardship, and occasioned partly, too, by tho neglect or want of power in the Government to protect them. He, therefore, confidently trusted thut the Committee would support besn rented by th«j lioyerijuteijt^ coo^jst^d I th'J ration ojf hia colleague, and fftKcnniua Carolina, to withdraw his motion fora m»- ment, to enable him to offer another amend ment to the hill. Mr. Martin consented. Mr. Kenner then prososed that tbe Com mittee of Ways and Means, Ik? instructed to iueludB in the bill, a provision, to abolish the duties on sugar, tea and t offee, Mr. Williams could hot aweept that modi fication. Me. Kremer then rnovbd hie proposition as an amendment. Mr. Marlin hIro renewed his motion to postpone the subject until Monday. Mr. Gorham supported tho bill und appo sed tlte ninen .'tmeiit to repeal the duly upon salt. II" entered into a long detail of the advantages which the measure would afford to the rlevigating interests of the Union.— He aljuded, also, to the various operations ol Vhe late tarifl’hill; and argued that New England in particular, and the North in ge- Mr. G. having com luded, M.i . S.pricere moved to lay llm bill upot) the table, *n which motion Mr. Reed demanded tho y us and imj«, and they were ordered by the House. The Chnir then proclaimed the result of the vote, on laying the tonnage toll upou the table, by veas <Si mtvs, us follows : Yens. 82 — Nays. 92. So the House refused to lay thebillupon the table. Mr. Reed (lien took the floor in Hiqqtort of the bill, aud delivered a short speech, con sisting, for the most part, of statements of fact, intended to show tlte burdensome im lure of the tax,& the advantage of repealing it. Tbe further debate was arrested by a motion fur tho previous question, which was made by Mr, Long, and sustained by the House. .Shall the main question now lie put ? which being carried, tbe lUaip question wan, literal, were the cradle nnd nursery of the pub ae follows: f U. Suites Navy, ami furnished those vessels, noxious to him and bis constituents. II&, Mr. Sergeant, called upon all those goutlc- muii upou that floor, who xvere I'lieuUW to the protection of domestic industry, to prevent the passage of such a uiorvsure-— The honorable gentlctuun concluded, by tnaiutainitig in u luotig argument, in tbe c.ourst; of which, he introduced a variety uf statistical details, that the repeal of the tonnage duties would ho attended with be nefit to the Southern Status, ns well as tv the other sections of the Uttkm, aud tbe community in general. Mr. P. P. Barbour said, that lie did not rise for the purpose of prolonging the dis- cussiott, which liad been o|^*ned aud gone into at length, in reference to tlte tariff o might be, that the relief of the navigating interest alone xvas proposed In the bill be fore the House, but he could not helj> re marking, vn reference to the great streoi which bad been laid on tbe circumstance that tho advantages contemplated would tto* he derived bv the shipping* interest, but by the owners oi - the articles which were traits ported. A long argument had he«tt goo» into, that the public treasury could span more than one hundred thousand dollars revenue, upou the calculation that, alter tb 1 ' expiration of the two ensuing years, no P or ’ lion of the public debt, then redeems!) e , would remain unpaid. The gentlemen observed, had only proved part of tbe pff* ntisee, by w hich they arrived at their cnncTfl