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them, that others may seize and di
vide their property, wo do not enter
tain a doubt.
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WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 18. 1821).
CHEKOK1BB PHOENIX AND INlttANS’ ADVOCATE*
Boheign.
• The “documents, 0 to which Col. M’-
.JCenney referred in his communication
published in our last, it appears wers for-
Nvarded to the Itev. Eli Baldwin of New
York, by him to be made public, to prove
that the great body of the Cherokecs and
-C eeks are anxious to remove. These doc
uments we have not seen, and are there-
•fo e not prepared to confront them. But
at the same tiihe, being eye witnesses of
what is passing around us, we venture to
•SA , they are of the same nature with the
do aments that were lodged in the War
JDe >artment, not a year ago, charging a
cer.ain missionary in this nation with in-
• ter ering with, this establishment, and
wr .ing scurrilous communications against
•the officers of the Government. Those
charges originated from 6ome malicious
jperson,who, we apprehend, is still busy in
the inglorious work of injuring the Chero
kee people.
, We wish our readers to bear in mind,
that, so far as we have contradicted the
Statement of Col. M’Kenney, it has been
..no further than the Chcrokees arc con
cerned—thus far we are responsible,
and are willing to be corrected if wc are
mistaken. In regard to the Creeks, Choc-
-taws and Chickasaws, we have not the
same means to ascertain the truth, yet we
fully believe that Col. M’Kcnriey has, in
his address before the Indian Board, done
.•them equal injustice.
If it should be thought that wc arc too
sensitive on this subject, we would remark,
'that in our view, and in the view of the
•Cherokee people, it is of the utmost im
portance that the truth should be known,
•and all misrepresentations should be cor
rected; because it is evident that the Gov 7
eminent, either through mistake or de
signedly, urges the renioval of the Indians
upon premises which cannot be sustained
by facts, viz: the impossibility of civiliz
ing them where they are, and the willing*
ness of a majority to remove. In regard to
/j the latter we have placed before our read
ers, so far as the Cherokecs are concerned,
the true state of th" case, on which the
public may rely with safety. As to the
former, it is premature to urge it. Not
withstanding what Mr. Eatoh sdys, in the
■Communication we publish to-day, it is
Well known to those who are better quali-
fied to judge, that the Cherokees have been
in a state of progressive improvement these
4J0 years, and that the question, “Whether
"they are capable of self-government, by
■any of those rules of right which civiliza
tion teaches,” ha9 long since been settled.
We are frequently referred to past history,
4o enable us to ascertain the truth of the
^assertion, “that the near association of the
white and red man is destructive to the
latter’*—But does not the situation of the
Cherokecs refute it? What would be
•thought of a man who would reason that,
Because the republican governments of
the old world failed, therefore it amounts
*to a certainty that this great republic will
fail also, and that it is necessary to clidnge
4t into a monarchical Government. Such
Reasoning would be premature—it is well
known that the United States arc prosper*
-bus and happy.
We never contended that in our* present
situation wc were free from difficulties.—
£ut tlic question is, will these difficulties
cease by a removal? We answer, No.—
feesides, who is the author of the difficul
ties and troubles with which we are sur-
Jromded? Have they been brought upon
iis by our folly and indiscretion ? Have
wc intruded upon our white brothers, so
ihit wc must step back to avoid the conse
quences? Arc we in this instance for-
warned of destruction and utter annihila
tion, by those whose sacred rights we have
invaded? If so, let us retire—let us goto
thi west oflhe Missisisppi, there to indulge
ourselves in habits more congenial to us—
wc will pursue the game—we will follow a
savage warfare, and resume what wc have
already yielded, "the barbarous practice
of burning prisoners at the stake”—we
Will, what we have not done these forty
years, make "women and children fit sub
ject for the Tomahawk fii, scalping knife.*’
But is it so—are we suffering for our folly?
On this soil, our forefathers lived and died,
long before the face of the white man was
seen. This land is ours by right of inherit
ance, Si peacaeble possession. If our white
fvothers lia vc seen fit to surround us on
jidesy and moire dijficiltigi for ps—if
they have intruded upon our rights, prop
erty fit persons, fit then require us to retire
before them, lest they annihilate us, we
see no reason that we should obey them.
We stand upon our own soil-^we enjoy our
own rights, derived from our fathers, and
guarantied by the American people—if
they think proper to wrest these from us,
they can do are innocent of all con
sequences.
The more we think of the question of
removal as urged by the Government, We
are the more convinced that we are not
doing wrong in opposing it. It will never
facilitate the improvement of the Chero-
kees, but in all probability arrest it; And
as to the promises so profusely made, if we
would only emigrate, we v?ould say, there
are other promises existing, which we
should be glad to see fulfilled first—when
that isdone it will be time enough to look
to others. We do hope the Cherokees
will be So united and determined (of which
we have nodbubl) as to put the United
States to the test—let us see whether she
will regard her stipulations. The people
of this nation we believe are aware of the
following facts: 1. The Government of
the United States have made solemn
pledges to them. 2. These pledges, if
observed arc sufficient to secure their
rights. 3. If the Government violate her
promises, they will Have nothing to hope,
ifthey should remove to the western wilds.
“Think before you leap,” is an old pro
verb we think quite applicable m liiij case.
It Would certainly be leaping in the dark to
rely upon the bare promises of the Govern
ment, when it is uncertain whi liter she
will fullil her treaty engagements. We
say therefore, let her be put to the test.
As much as we rejoice to hear that an or
der ha? been forwarded to the Agent for the
removal of the intruders, we do not con
sider this act of the Executive as indicat
ing great justice worthy of being applaud
ed. President Jackson ■ has done what he
was bound to do six months ago.
Mr. Eaton says, speakingofthe Indians:
“Ifthey hafe yielded the baiba ous prac
tice of burning prisoners at the stake, they
have not even after the lapse of many yearn,
and frequent associations of the whites, tsur-
sendcred the no less savage habit of con
sidering women and children ft subjects
for the Tomahawk and scalping knife.”
W e invite the attention of our readers to
the words in italics. If, in the above remark,
Mr. Eaton includes the Cherokecs, (and
that he does is evident) we sh iuld like to
know how he has ascertained the fact,
since it is about sixteen years ago when
they Werfe last engaged in war, and then,
as a nation, no one will say they were
guilty of the savage habit. At that time
they fotight under the eye of General
Jackson. Perhaps the discovery has been
made during the late Indian hostilities
which was a matter of so much talk, first in
the CoiSBibus Enquirer, and then in most
of the papers of the land.
The Officcrsofthe Government are cer
tainly ignorant of the condition of the Cher
okees, or else they are determined to mis
represent them to the public, so thqt they
may the more easily succeed in their ht-
templs to remove them. It appears to be
their design to place them in the most un
favorable attitude—this is wrong. When
truth is not their governing principle, wc
should be induced to doubt their profess
ions of benevolence. The reader will see
in the first part of Mr, Eaton’s letter a
good illustration of these remarks.
Who is there that will not feel the In
dians are distressed after reading the pa
thetic speech of Col. Folsom, the Choctaw
Chief? Wc are distressed, ves, we are dis
tressed, in our f iber's house, in the heart
of'your flourishing & hippy Country»ve in
habitants o f the U. States-We are distress
ed, ye Christians of America; Arc We a-
liens and outcasts?
*:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:
COUNCIL.
Monday Nov. 9
A resolution from the Committee,
authorising the delegation to employ a
counsel, was read and passed.
A resolution from the Committee
providing for an appropriation, to meet
the contingent expenses, was received
and passed.
The Principal Chief returned the
petition of Jos. Vann, with his ob
jections. It was passed with an a-
mendment.
The Principal Chief Returned oth
er hills, which were passed with a-
mendments.
A hill reducing the compensation
of persons employing, arresting and
guarding criminals was passed.
The General Council closed its ses
sion on Tuesday,.evening of last week,
1 tb l meet again the second Monday in
October next. During the last days
of the session the Committee were
principally en<gtfgcd in examining
claims.
From the New York Advertiser.
October 24.
LATEST FROM ENGLAND.
Yesterday the ship Mary Lord,
Captain Wilson, arrived from London,
bringing the London Atlas, of Sep
tember 27th, from which we have
extracted the following interesting in
telligence.
tEACt CONCLUDED BET WEN
tlUSSlA AND TURKEY.
From the London AUat, Sunday,Sept,
14lh.
BY EXPRESS.—By advices from
Berlin, which have just reached us by
a special courier, we have positive
intelligence, that the treaty of pence
between Russia and Turkey is actual
ly concluded and signed. The terms
of the treaty, our account says, will
he an evidence to the whole world of
the moderation of the emperor Nicho
las. They are based on the treaty
of Ackerman, with a provision of
indemnity to Russia for the expenses
of the war. The Turkish plenipoten
tiaries immediately returned to Con
stantinople, hearing the treaty signed
by General Diebitsh, under powers
vested in him by ihe emperor, and
csroiled by 4 000 Cossacks The
Sultan instantly released all the
Russian prisoners of war, who are
now on their march homeward.
A conspiracy had been defected at
Con'stnntinople against the life and
power of (lie Sultan, and live hundred
of the old Janissaries lost their
liVes.
Our correspbndent transmits Ihe
whole of this intelligence as positive
and undoubted.
October 27.
LATEST FROM FRANCE.
Yesterday the packet ship Sully,
Captain Mncy, arrived from Havre,
bringing ns Havre and Paris papers to
the 30th of September, both inclu
sive.
'Pbe intelligence by Ibis ship from
the seat of war, is several days later
than that received by the Mary
Lord. It now appears that the nc-
gociations between the hostile powers
opened at Adnanople on the 1st of
September; but, in consequence of a
wisli on the part of the Turkish com
missioners. to obtain further instruc
tions on some point or points of dis
cussion. they were swspem&d on the
3d with notice on the part of the
Russian Comiilaiuler-iu-Chief, that
he could not extend the suspension be
yond the 14th. In the mean time,
probably for the purpose of prevent
ing any improper advantage from be
ing taken cf the armistice, lie had
moved his forces forward towards
Constantinople, and at the latest ac
count, is staled to have been within
fifteen or twenty leagues of that city.
That the Grand Seignor must yield to
circumstances he cannot resist nor
controul, is rendered so probable as
to amount very nearly to a certainty.
It seems that in addition to the pres
sure from the Russians without, he
is threatened with the insurgent spirit
of the Janissaries within—an evil,
perhaps, more immediately dangerous
to his personal safety than the ap
proach' of the Russian armies.
If the war terminates in this man
ner, the Turkish empire will have
received a shock, from which, in
our opinion, it cart never recover.
Its weakness will not only exist, but
it will be rendered so manifest to the
rest of the world, that it must cease
to be an object of dread to any other
nation. In truth, it would seem, ac
cording to the common course of
things, that it must in a short time
become an object of very little inter
est among the nations of Europe,
when they may he eegnged in adjust
ing what they call the balance of
power. It is now apparent that Rus
sia can crush the Mahometan domin
ion in Europe, whenever she is dis
posed seriously to undertake such an
enterprise. It is true, that other
powers may combine to uphold Tur
key; but it is about as probable that
they will unite and make some dif
ferent arrangement among themselves,
arid place their security on a basis
more satisfactory, if not in the end
more permanent, than to leave it de
pendent upon a government that is
scarcely able to stand alone.
■ In the mean time, it .will he an
object of interest to see what effects
the Russian war may have upon the
remoter provinces of the Ottoman
empire. Egypt, and the Rarbarv
States, which have long acknowledged
|n6t tpufch more than a nominal depen
dence, will ascertain, beyond all
question, that if they should choose
to declare their own independence,
the Sublime Porte coimot prevent
them from establishing it.
A Havre paper of the 30th receiv
ed by the Sully, contains an article
which is credited to the London Cou
rier of September 23th, which tnakes
the editor ol the last mentioned paper
state, that he has good authority for
saying tiiattlie British Miriistry is about
to he changed, that he is ignorant who
will corhpose the now cabinet, but
that neither the Duke of Wellington,
nor Mr. Peel will belong to it. TheMa-
ry Lord brought a London paper of the
27lh of September, in which there
was no mention made of such change,
or any expectation of it. The Cour
ier, if it Spoke Seriously bn ihe sub
ject, would be as good authority as
any paper in London. But wc are
suspicious that this arti le is either
incorrectly quoted, or was intended
to ridicule the reports that might
have been circulated respecting the
Ministry.
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" undersi :d having been appointed
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to the lowest bidder, at my liousc, on Moii
day the 1st of December next, agreeably
to a late resolution ofthe General Councip
I do hereby notify all who may be con
cerned, that those who liave business wit$
the treasurer, are required to attend on tii^
days proscribed by law, that is \Y ednefit-
davs and Thiirrdavs.
JOHN MARTIN Trcas'r.
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