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COLUMBUS, GEORGIA. FRIDAY MORNING, APRIL 23, 1SS6
PRICE FITE CENTS
JAY GOULD
He Af pears Re fore the nvest'gatlon
Committee for ; semination
Hbe' lift* to Kay > b oltba Hlrlk r*
-!*•« dciIj InJortalGKi oo JlncA-tlv
U lu F*va» of Arbltrutlob tout Ni ts
Kuttlvv to Arbitrate, Etc
Bpcr’a' in Enqaim»fltin.
Washington, April 22-Mr Jiv
Gould appeared before the comiui
tee in ts’figatiDg the lai i r trouble in
the southwest. The doors of *he room
of the bouse cenunittee or. elections
were kept closed Ihu morning until
the special crmoiittec to invest (gate
'he causes anti extent of the labor
troubles in the west were prepared to
proceed with the xsmination of Jay
Gould. Across the ha): ou'sldo of
the room was a etur.id barrier be
yond which were allowed to pass
only mt rnbera of the committee, rep
reser tatives of the knights of lubor.
several gentlemen accompany! g
Gould, inclndi^e I: s counsel, Ge:
Swalue, and Vice President Hop
kins, newspaper men and several
members of cr' gress who were uni
mated with curb “Uy to hear the tee-
limory of 1 tie grea 1 financier. As
that gentleman arose to take the
oath aii eyes were fixed upon him,
and his response, 'T do,” v ; s giver,
in a low tune.
Chairman—"It 's the desire of the
ccmmi ee, Mr Gould, that you give
testimony in reepect to the investi
gation iu which we arc engaged, and
for 'lie time I leave the examination
to M r Burr's
Witness wished to know the scope
of the resolution under which the
committee was aoting.
But -e? stated that the select com
miitee had been authorized by the
house of representatives to investi
gate the causes and extent of the dis»
turbed conditions now existing be
tween railroad corporations . e* gaged
In carrying interstate commerce and
tfceir emplryes in Illinois, Missouri,
Kansas Atkanaas and Texas.
Gould—“I- : s true that the Missou
ri Pacific runs through some of these
gtates, hut at this time we have in.
difference with our men and are not
strictly speaking within the line of
that resolution, but I will be very
glad to spend any time iu talking to
the committee, though I hardly
think they want to spend their valua
ble time in talking to me.”
Being requested, however, to pro
ceed, Gould went on to give hie tes
timony in a low voioe, which was
generally calm, but which now ami
then t.’i tabled slightly, kb though tt
were shaken with excitement or emo
tion At times he removed his gold-
rimmed spectacles and paused iu his
speech as he carefully wip' d them
with his handkerchief. Bihiudhim
sat General Swayne, who relieved
him of the work of reading printed
matter, and whom he now and then
consulted in an undertone.
"On th* 15‘h of April,” he began,
"we had in the transportation de
partment 8307, in the machinsry d‘
partment 997, in the engineer and
fireman department 1132, in the
car department 503, in the
road department 3556, in the bridge
departure;: (915, anu at onr terminal
facilities 397 men—a total of 10 737
men, not including our general c fii
cers. The operations of our road, an-i
I speak from thirty years experience,
are carried on In a perfectly regular
and orderly way The trains are a l
run, and the business we were chat
tered to do, is being transacted regu
larly. Here is a dispatch I received
since I left New York. This repre
sents the business that was done up
to 12:35 p. m. of this day :
"April 21st. Two hundred and
ninety freight trains moved yester
day, containing -1647 1 ale, an in
crease of 94 trains and 1537 loads
compared with the same day of ias-.
year Quiet at all points on the lines
Trains doing well.”
"I submit to the committe whethi r
we come wuhiu the ruin g of the
committee,”
Burnes—"I ! eiif.ve that this ques
tion has been substantially pa-sen
upon t.y the comm,dee, and it is the
intention of the committee that we
investigate ali rhe circumstances ami
iacis ri iaung to the troubles, and,
therefore, we propose :o examine
you wi ll regard to the proceedings
antecedent to the resumption of bu-u-
ness."
Witness—^‘‘Well, I thought it was
only proper that I should state that
lact tc the committee. At the date of
U-.e resolution we were operating the
roau in the regular and formal man
ner and performing all the duties
our charter called for.”
Burnea—"PlesBB state your reel**
denoe, age and occupation.”
Witness—"I reside in New York
citj. I am forty*nine years old. I
am president of the Missouri Pao'fic
and have been sinoe 1879.”
Burnes-"We would like for you
now to inform us If there has been
any interruption to commerce passing
over the lines of the road you repre
sent in M s-ouri Illinois, Kansas,
Arkansas and Texas, and if so what
interruption, and so far as you know
the cause of that Interruption.”
Witness—"Do you want me to sta'e
simply what I know, or facts that
came to my knowledge as president
of the corporation, beoaus. I ougnt to
state to the committee that I lefi
New York on the 5 h of
January with my family
on a yacht fpr a oruise in the Weei
Indies. I returned to New York 'he
231 of March. The strike occurred
while1 was away, and my knowledge
of it oomes from such i fflolal info!
mation as I received as president of
the company since my return "
Burne —‘ We understand that nec
essarily you will be compel'ei to give
many things from -. fllcial Inf filia
tion. You will of curse in testify
ing discriminate that which y oi
know from tuat which you have
from - fHoial information. We would
like you to go over the whole ground
and divulge not only what you know,
but what you have reason to believe ”
"The first recognition,” proceeded
the withers, "which our company
made, as far as I know of the knighfs
of labor, csme out of the strike In
April of last year. I was away at the
Mtpe and until Aiicm-t In August
Powderly came t- Nev York with a
committee. That was ■’ e first time
1 f ad anything to do with biin. He
sta: <1 their views, which was that r,
part of the road that was in ibe hands
of the receivers, should reinstate a
large number and men who were
kr gilts of labor who had left the
employ of the company, and whose
places had been largely filled. The
impression seemed to lie that I prac
tically controlled all the roads in
the United (States and that
the suit did not rise
or the moou s -t without porno sanc
tion of mine. I had nothing to do
with the road. I explained that to
them, While ttiis interview was going
on my time came to leave. I turned
to the committee aud said: ‘Now,
gentlemen, lias the Missouri Pacific
lived up to her agreement witli yon?
I want to know the 1 ?’ They said:
Y -s, you have ’ ‘Well, then,’ I
sc:d, 'I want it now understood that
if you have any grievano s hereafter
again st the Missouri Pacific you shall
not strike, but you will come to me,
man fashion, and we will talk it over
and settle it.’ They agreed to that
and I said ‘Good-bye’ and left. I bad
no further communication with
:hem I went i ff on a yacht
ing cruise in J-tnuary, relying on
-he good faith of that arrangement
being carried out. Tnis strike came
on while I was away. The T c xa<
and Pacific was in the hands
of the United States court, arid
uot under my oociro! at all In the
course of business the receivers dis
charged a man named Hall. I don’t
know who he was I had never beard
of him. But that act was taken as a
pretext,the sole prete xt, for the strike
on our road Ojr men told Hoxie
that they had no grievance-; they
were ordered to strike and this was
(be only thing they could do. When
the Btriks occurred, Hopkins, oui
vice-president, who was present at
that agreement In August, naturally
took it up with Powderly. Tnere
was a strike on one road contrary to
the agreement, and he penned a dis
patch to Powderly Just as coolly as a
. u-dness man w u'd.”
Witness then read the dispatch
sent by Hopkina to Powderly on the
Gh of March, in which he tnf rtn-
Powderty of tbe strike, Btates that
th : men have do grievances aDd ex
pressing the wish to talk the matter
over with him, Two days afterward
Pt wderly telegraphs that he saw
from ihe public pres i that the strike
was caused by the discharge ol Hull,
and ashing if he could its re) a see. ted.
Hopkins replied that Hall was em
ployed by the Texas Pat- fin, and no;
by thi Missouri Pacific, and (hat ibe
latter road had no control over the
receivers.
"Tothts message," continued wit
ness, "no unswer was vouchsafed
The eastern - fflees of the great rail
roads are their financial depositories.
They hnv« nothing to do with the
labor. Uc.'X,e had control of that any
way, but ch- board in order to rn.-.ke
it doubly sure, ; u: it it; ins hands,
and he managed it from that lime on
uadi after my r- u-a, Let me ex*
plain to the committee what the
strike was that took place in March
and wti«u the > ft -ct would have beer,
if it had bee s.mply a strik". We
had at the date of thee’rik 14 315 em
ployes. The kmgh ts of labor sinkers
numbered. 3117, but (bey were no:
men who were neoiusary to the op
oration of ‘.he ; ad. They were men
in the machine shops, men along the
track, switchmen, men who pets
formed the lower cu-io" ors the rail
road, so that it them 3717 men had
struck and le't the premises we wcul i.
not have mts-ed a train. Our busi
ness would have gone along regularly
as cl ck work; but following the
b.avit g of our employment what did
'hey d--?”
As he a-iked this question for the
flret time durir g the course of his
statement, Mr G uld raised his voice
ami showed symptoms of excitement,
and 11 was with energy that he pro
ceeded to answer his ow’ querry.
“They exercised more than the
right of government domain. They
took S: Louie, tiedalia, Atchison,
Kansas City, Parsons, Fort Worth,
L'ttle Rook and Texarkana, They
took forcible possession of them and
said, ‘no man shall run a train over
that road.’ That is what they eaid.
What did Hoxle do? He said: 'They
have taken possession of our road:
we have got no earniDgs now,’ and
he was forced to write an address to
all the naan suspending payments,
aud thus 10,000 men whu were loyal
to the company, who could run out
trains every day, were deprived of
their work, of their power to earn
their wages. That was what follow
ed the strike seizure. You can call
it by no other word—foroible seizure
—something that tt-e czar of Russia
would hesitate to do with his millions
of soldiers behind him.
Mr H -x.e’a address to the men was
then read by Swayne. As he was
reading i; Powderly entered the room
and secured a position oppoeite
G.-ukl.
Chairman—“What was Hall
•hatj’-d whb? What crime had be
jiltted? What was the reason
of the discharg--?' 1
In response to this question,
Swayne, at the r quest tifG'ii ifr-rrl
a statement Issued by R .-culver
Brown declaring tha Hai wa au in
competent man, ami was discharged
for absenting himself without h ave
Ho also rend n circular issued by the
Missouri Pi.’.flu on the B.h of March
notifying all persons who had qu t
the employ of the company a nos
Mirch rbt fifth thn r their names
were no long! r on the rollR, and that
they must leave the premises of the
centra i y; also a no'ice of More’ 10:h
advertising for mechanics and lauor-
- a U fill the places of the striker:.,
and . tu ing tout nil good and com pc
tent men would he employed regard
less of their t s nt or pest connec
tion with the knights of labor
The reading being ended, Gould
proceeded. He ta f: “This brings
the status of the -.-trike down to the
10.h of Match. At that time the
s-rikers had tekea possession of the
line. When we uade.rUk.k to rue
trains they would ‘kbt’ he engine-
Ii that were not, rufli.-ieui they
v u ii uncouple ti e cars, or wou.d
assault the train The m n wh ■ uu
ii( rtor.k to get trains ou'dav after day
were met bv that opposition, fneu
’lie two governors of Missouri and
Kansas who had been arbitrators of
the agreement of March 18 h, 1835
(under which we had been actii y),
were culled ou to mee: tv Kansas
City. Thera they heard everything
which the strikers had to say. Afti-i
hearing both sides they prepared a
formal report, which was pub
lished. The report was read by
Swayne. It declares that the strike
of Match, 1886, was not 1.. sad ou a
violation by the company of the
tetni3 of the agreement of March.
1885. H aj ne also read in the tame
connection the reply of H- xie to th?
two governors, stating that good and
competent men would he employed
by the company without regard to
their post or present reta'ious to the
company or to’.lie knights of labm ;
also, the reply of the knights of labor
to the two governors
Goutd (hen resumed his statemen'.
He said : “That correspondence
shows pretty conclusively rite truth
of the proverb that you may lead a
hi:rse to :.ht- watering trough, but
can’t make him drink Our shots'
were pen for the- men to go lo work,
and t( they did not go it was not our
fault I returned to New York ou
the 23 1 of March. Shot y after uiy
return correspondence . was oponeo
between Powderly and myself. L will
not a’op to read them now, When
MeD. well brought t ie last (letter to
m. I o-id him I would meet. Pow-
leriy, I as an individual aud he as
an itulividua., and that I would
have a frank ttrk with him on the
whole subject. He brought P< wderly
to my house ou Bu day, the 28.it of
March. At (he time of (hat inter
view the road was in full operation
at all the points excep' Fort Worth.
Texas, and Parsons, Kansas, I me
Powderly and McDowell at my
house on Sunday, and had a frank
talk with them. Puwderl. ’s mere,
circuit- (so-called) had been s-med,
and my motive in s elug him v. s to
brace him up, btoaut-e tile sentiments
expressed in that circular were so
different from the acts of the strikers
tha . 1 thought ho needed bracing up.
They brought up ‘ho qc.siion
arbitration, which had beun covered
by tbe correspondence, and which 1
had very fi any declined. I neve,
was more po.-itive In my life than I
was when I made that declination.
We talked up to 2 -’clock (my dinner
hour) and I told P w leriy and Mo-
D well to come buck !ha r night
Thoy comet back at night and wo
resumed our talk. Powdariy said to
me these men out ther (I want to
talk with you frankly) re in rebel
iio- to cur order. Tkeyetnk» without
c.use, and I have it. in contemplation
tc- morrow to vindicate- n.. s f by is-
sui-.g an order taking away theit
char;*. ? I said: ‘Mr Powderly.
yon hav-. teen so stank wn.h me the .
I will lie tqually frank with yon
Now I will read you a dispatch which
1 hsv prepared ;o send o H x.--. I
go down,town to-morrow morning a.
9;30ind 1 will s-nd it, then ’ I
look out of my pocket and read 'o
him rnj dMpaccn to H xie, dlrtc
ing | reference iu cmpltyment,
he given the late employe-
whether they be knights
of lubor or not. Now I uu no-
know how that can be
twisted so tta to make i< mean some
thing u.f! rent from what It says. I
read it over to Powderly just as dis
tinctly a; I havi n ad it to the. com
mittee. Powderly Bifid: ‘I approve of
that, and it will help me if you will
give me a copy of it.’ I sahl: Cer
tainly, I will do that.’ That brought
our interview to a close. I went up
stairs and oopied the diepatch in a
note addressed to Powderly and gave
it to McDowell to deliver to him.
There was no right on the
purt of McDowell or Powderly
to give the dispatch to
the public until I had put it into
Hoxie’s hands. They went out of
town and changed the whole pros
gramme. N‘-xt morning the news
papers came out publishing this and
saying on the part o' Powderly ‘Mr
Gould tins consented to our pien of
arbitration.’ That was pub’isaed
broadcast. It was utterly untru. 1
Utterly untru I As for the question
of arbitration, I have aiwaj s been in
favor of arbitration. It has been
rather a kind of hobby of mine, and,
therefore I said In my diepatch to
Hoxie ‘We see no objection lo arbi
tration.' ”
Gould here read stenographic notes
of the Interview between him and
Powderly, and continued : “I be
lieve that iu the Investigation yester
day, there was reference h-a le te' o?
instruction There was no letter -eat
exoept the Powderly letter. Want
Hoxte recant by tetter of instruc
tions v: s my letter, and addressed to
P 'Wderly. What he said iu the news
papers that morning, of oour^e, re
ferred lo that. I want to say very
distinctly, that there have been l.o
Instruct) s Usu ; d, oilier titan those
embodied In that le'ter, They hnvt
been lived ut> to by the company "
Crain—"You say dislie'ly ihet?
were no secret Instruction*?'’
G uld—‘‘There were no secret in
structions Oi the cotitr- ry wehav
lived right up to my letter t . Powder
ly, pot withstanding all the provocti
lion w? ! ay re eivetl ”
G mid here rend various telegrams
aud corresp": deuce which have nee::
already m .di public, t; eluding the
procPmaiio , ol Match 29 issued by
the executive board of tno district
assemblies at 8t L >uts, c.-n-
gratuiatir-g the knights of labor
on tueir victory and on theif man-
Food and the fortitude shown b:,
them, He -aid thai was an address
which was siued ou the 29 o of
March, when every thing seemed to
be lovely Tne tuxt address that was
Issued by them was o e issued ou tln-
6.h of April, ad ins-- d to the work
lug men of the world, Gould res ’
the address in « tone of Barca- in, but
wot with.iui viBible emotion. It in Him
one in which he is sp ken of as the
giant of incorporated wesith, every
d illar of which w as built on the
blood of i juslioe and outrage.
He said : "That s the response
which the knights of labor made to
cur continuing tne hand of f.'lh.w-
ship which we had held out to them
We commenced operating our road.
Ab I said, when I met Powderly ou
Sunday the whole system was it,
operation, cxc pt a! Parsons and
Fort W'rth Our earnings for tbe
firs? week of April were equal to
those of the same week last year, and
the earnings jt the second week in
April were $36,090 more thun the
corresponding weeic last year, so that,
-is I said at the beginning of my
remarks, it seemed to me that the
resolution under which the com
mittee is acting, does not really
apply to the Missouri Pacific rail
road.”
Burne —"Have you any other doc
uments that you wish to Bubiui.?’’
Gould—"I have receivtd several <-f
this sort I only read this one be
cause it Jls au order emanating from
three lodges that govern the Missouri
Pacific system.”
Chairman— 1 "We will accept that as
a specimen of the workingmen’s ii a
erarute.”
G tuld—"I have Just received a tel
egram from Hoxie stating -.hat trie
S: Louis papers t " day published this
dispatch, sent from here yesterday:
‘ ‘Push the strike. Wahave plenty
of money to carry it through.
‘John Haves ’
"Hayes is, I believe, one of \b- tx-
ecu-ive committee of the knights of
labor. He is the same man who ad
dressed tii© dispatch to rue holding
me responsible for the murdetH in
East 8. Louis ”
Burner—"It la hardly proper to
put that in evidence now 1:1-- mete
hereby. The matter will be Inves
tigated when we got to t L mis-”
G mid—"Then I withdraw U."
Burnes—"You e{ ;ke of the resolu
tion of the board of directors of U e
Missouri Pacific with reference lo
the duties and pow s -r Hoxie. Did
you unii s.and that r.s iution as
limiting or ion trolling you, powers
b president of the corporation ?”
Gould-—"That happened while I
was away. When I left, on January
5th, an acting president was ap
pointed and I surrendered f.,r the
time being my p shorn as preside) t
of the hoard. I didn’t consider th:
i'esoiutlon a« having any.,ring to t,
with the question of the du ieg and
powers ol the president,."
Burnes—"W-et: you prepared your
disptheh to H -xte u.t, y ,u tu..end a
that time to la vs bim enhrely fr* <
to act according ,uhis ..wo judgme. ?
Did you intend it us a peremptory
erdrror rely as i-dvistny? ’
G -uld—"Not even ns auvieory. I
la vended it as a matter of prec-u'.ioi
I meant to put the wtc-ic matter i-
Ult isanits, tt give t:im entire omit- ‘
anti to hold him rerpe- s hie for u:<
results,”
Burnes—"Did you send t< H x:e,
or did you c-u-e to be s ■■•t to him
either on Monday or on Sunday, or
tbe Saturday preceding, any other
tekgram or any other udvie ?’’
Gould—‘No, sir. My telegram to
Hoxie mean; just wtiat it B»ys ami
we huvt not changed from that day
to this by the crossing of a T or the
dotting of an I,”
Burnes—"In your testimony as to
this dispatch to Hoxie, you stem to
favor the principle of arbitration for
a settlement of contention between
employ s and employere. Give us
tbe results and experience of your
observations, as to how that principle
can be carried out pruotically ?”
Gould—"Arbitration is getting to
be a very easy and popular way of
settling dlfiicul.ies between Individ
uals and corporations, and between
corporations and their lnviilual em
ployes, I have always been
In favor of arbitration. I
regard the employes of a railroad
o-mpany a*, upon u d.flerent footing
from the employes of manufacturing
or other private corporations. A rail
way corporation acts in two senses—
first, as a private orga. z tiou, and
second, as a public corporation, hav
ing a contract with a'state by which
It has certain duties bo perform.
Those duties are to be performed, not
by rai; a-id engines alone, bul by i.he
entire organ zuion, ami they ciothe
themselves with public duties from
the president to the lowest employe.
They clothe themselves with public
duties which appertain to the opera
tion of that railroad . s an entile y."
Burnet)—"Have you considered the
question as to whether there is any
mode by which the whole wo.king
force of a railroad oen tie put under
control of tile people ?”
G- uld— ‘Y sir Tite laws do that
now The difficulty is only in nu»
forcing them. You see that on tbe
roads operated by receivers strikes
are rapidly ovptcome, beoause there
Is respect forth: United States coll" s
The public has t- r:gnl to have the
railroads op ruted. Any law which
defines that right, and couples with
it provisions for arbitration, would be
a practical solution of th ' question,but
arbitration should not fit) after the
men had struck and seized the prop
erty of the tallrot'.d company. It
should tie the du:y of the men to
keep on at work, A railroad is not
merely the rails, ties, gradings, loco
motives and oare-, but il is the whole
thing II is the duty of somebody to
ma tage il.”
Burn s -"Might not the general
government lit-.-usu at.d thereby gov-
* ru and couttol tie - llielals of a rail
road from the superintendent down?”
Gould-'I think the i Hi rials as
sume that to be fhtir duty now. I
might be made more distinct by somn
enactment, and if any l-'jusllcc he
done there should be a mode of arbi
tral ion. I have always been in favor
of that.”
The chairman reminded G mid
that during the civil war the public
du'.ksof railroad i fflclait wore rec
og. zsd by 'aw I ) fac*’, they were
. x.-rupt fiotu conscription; ami
Burnes mentioned the analogous
case of the l.c-nalng of pilots.
G> uld—"I think that Powderly is
uuderhsking to do too much. All
that I can do is to
sour- Pacific, and
trouble wi.h tout, but Pow.leriy is
running the shoemakers—the men
s' ho make pegs aud ioathor—all other
trades, aud not only the emp! :yan of
the Missouri Pacific railroad, but all
of the employes ou 13,000 miles of
railroad I do not wonder that bo
has broken down under the loud. I
think the government should have
such right to g-.vern and control the
railroads as to have troubles arbi
trated even without cossulting the
company or Us employes."
Burnes—“Y u mean compulsory
arbitration ?”
G uld—“Public opinion on these
questions is all-powerful. Perhaps
voluntary arbitration would Lav-o u
greater effect than compulsory arbi
tration.”
Burnes—"And yet, forsonie reason
you and Powderly aud MeD .we.I
were in consultation, endeavoring to
:rlog!;b:ut» settlement of alleged
grievances, and it was uot brought
■ibot: ?”
G uld—‘‘Oh, no F I was rot on*
det.voring to do that.”
Burn* o—‘ Y -u were not endeavor**
lug to arbttrnt..-?”
G -uld—"No, sir. Wo met as Indi
viduate to bave a talk over the sltua
tion. The matter wan in fci' xte’s
ha dt and never changed in any
shape or form I said v. Aral that. I
vv-.u!d not. I so staled in my lott'-r
and have never changed. It’s one of
ihe matters wfilch 1 do not tuk up ”
"Biiriifcs —" Why are your views
that uve friendly to arbl ration not
carried out a', S L m ? ’
Goold — "Htxlo has hoen k!w-.ys
rosdy to carry ’ hern out That has beet:
always our policy. Wr are ready to
arbitrate any grlovsnc.-jR between he
oompuey aud lta employes, but the
luterprstaUun which Powderly put
upon it was tha’ the knights of labor
wore to st"p Id and oversee this arbl
.ration T..eri art 10,000 men employed
by the Mlsiourl Pacific who ars no:
members of that order, bu! arc ati w
bora of other orga: izalle-n** wnleh dca:
aitti us (itrec.iy, Aiier the striiri
lo 1895 wo terminated our r rid-
dona with ih.; kr.ighti- -,1 .sib ;
they bad taken poBsea .it.n of our rose,
TU*,12 there w as oo et-.-al We put them
an s d flore-1 footing Wo took them
had. I*ul v<. s-v-k ‘hoir: ‘ r.ost s h, 1 :-
viduals, Ws didn’t ask thorn if they
xero knlgh's of labor or Mnthodmts :
Baptists, or ar-y‘h’-:g else, Wi uij
1 !oi propose tc deal with the knights ol
.abor a; an urge zi'.ion. Powder!;
undorstoo l ;li,i disti: otly, because I
-,.u:ed It cMstlnc.ly in that interview.'’
Marne-: oatled attention lo the order
referred to iu .be testimony ye-.toruay
diieotlog that ao kmgljle of labor
snould be employed r.a foremen.
(iuuid denied «uy ko w . d,.i of ' a
order, but Jus i tied It on ‘hr. \ rlnclpie
f uot putting on guaui a.i" except
lo too much. All ostno out m tne papo.-M rr
manage the Mis ttisre was an enllrely fi
I have no end of dona, It was of tha I not
oause I didn’t agree t
f by Oatf-walto -j« tostook srecn'atton
growing iu 1 of the strike, ar-.cl he said
that he knew nothing ol tbo kind, aud
that so for u* ho wna concerned he had
cot mafic a tranmetton it; s'cck,
either long or short, iduoo the- first of
July, and hod no speculative interest
In the Dcsrkt-t He was t-nro Ilia* none
of the directors rf ;bo Missouri Pac fl-j
had any dea'ings in the stock of roads
ou Ihe days following his lute:view
with Powiieriy
Outliwatte — "Wherein would the
public interost.s or the la,crests of the
company have suffered by represents**
tives of the company accepting the
proposition of the knights ol labor.”
Gould—"To arbitrate win ? That
was the question "
Oathwauo— Y u certain'y knew
wl.at you d-U'ired aboo
Gould — "I do no*, la ow that we dif
fered at all I read my proposition over
i - Powderly, and he s’dd he cgteed ‘to
every word o* H ”
OatLwallo—"I Imve reference to the
dtfilcaity which seemed to arise, if It
did not srise, On that Monday:, firat
the tnsr; wore ordered to resume *v„ih,
and were aboat to do bo, sod thou the
next luforuiRtlor the country had w-:s
'hat the rae.fi had no', resuuod w. -Sc,
ard that trouble was still ' xiatlng.”
G :uld — "T'hey did uc-t pay any atten-
tlou to the order. Oa Ihe contrary
Martin Irons te egraphod to ttuim to
hold ihe fort. They did not ohi:v tha
order and did not propose to, I did
not uodarstaod that there was auy
agreement with Powderly. I hare wss
no' whon he le’t my house, I did uot
know wtiat he wan going to do. After
he went ou I had a Uacuasion with
Konkins, who remained, as to what
Powderly would do I sai l be would do
oo.hlng, that tie hod uot the courage.
What ho sold ho would do, was to insole
au order declaring ihat iho strike ww
without cause, and that Hie men were
la rebellion, ana taking away tnoii
charter. It was oa that state a.act that
I g .vs him a copy of my dlspiuoi: to
Hoxie The ni x', morning when K
csme out iu ihe paper a from him, that
If rent thing
eon:plained, be-
agree to It iu that
shape.”
OJlhwalto— "But svhst injury oouid
hnve coma to the company it U uad ao«
enpted end acted on Powderly’s view
of tbo oa, f <
Gould-"Ido not know what sn'j ,ot
their arbitration would cover, ll It
covered the question, whether we
Hhoul:! discharge men whom he had
employed after ihe strlk-', we vrouul
co( sdwlt that to be a subj iot of arbi-
trstlon ”
Outhwalte—"Toet: you, did not in*
tend or waut to have any uruitrutiuu
or ,fieri to aet.le any dlfii uitles with
the knights of lubor wh" had struok or
were out of your employment at ths
t in:-—wa% teat the uud(*.etaudl.> f .? ’ w
Gould - ‘Y j that is U dlntluotly."
Burnea 1. qulred au to tbn relations of
the Mlssout. P olflo wl:b other rati*
roa s iu w ltioorp -at.ed in the syatem,
as to’ he limouiA ofstooke nod bo-:ds
Issued, and as to other matters c--u.
neoted. with tho c. ia; auy, wulohinfor
mation Gould pr luIsmI tu furnish
heroefter,
A 5.30 tbo cimmlttse sdjnurnod nu
ll' 11 o’clock to-morrow,
A tVr»», ••«'**■) .v»u, I Worfc.
Brcolul to K< jatror-Fnn.
Atuanta, April 22—A wrecker
pieced a cross,ie oo lb K'St Tennohese
truck, near S :\ t r or::ek, Tuesday nlght|
*.hoc,alopplback iu tie dark, watched
an approaching freight train strike tt
ntid uni down e ten foot-‘tnoankmaat.
O e man whs Instantly killed auu a x-
oilier fetHlIy t-Jur«J T!ie man who
w«s kilted was Th.rnas Nhenan, wi.-o
was firing for Ids transportation float
Gh.-Aai.ooga to Awantu. No was
crushed and cut to pieces 1,’Ucrit oa
his pars in show tha, ho was a ol zen of
Kngiftud Juufe Wright, tne ongiuoer,
was so badly Jure! that he vrttl U;o.
Mike Wnnkl6, the regui.ii firaraai,
was as loop In tuo tender. He was not
bOitt.ohod. Tht, OngUKwr saw Ihoob-
atruotloi: Jus-, before he struck i , bat
was not aoie to stop the tram Toe
wrecker heA not been c-wi'.ureu,
«»U 'iliiBUKO.
S/i&ria! '6 ffatniypr-ttun.
Sew Yu..ii, April 22 -The Btcok
mafKoi ugat.i reached a pulhi, of X-
tfimtiu t.ooAi tu-nuy. XnoeXi.nu.-gtf
w - t-;, oiosed I '-.-ii .rrsw, P*:oos were
about steidy during the furenoon,
yielded siigudy w.-.i m.u-ty oud a
-iit.'e u.,.louse in buolners, bu g<lu
Le.- * .t kic-bdy late in ilm day u .-J
clot
\ «r j
. w fi
afternoon. IN'
ctiiisfilcuoue fur
•ioirtnoro Pae.Ue
...ro also fracilons
shares,
:,;tlr«-ri
a ri
The- city ' f “
aamn p< pulatl m
390.000 rrr to q
tkir’n the Amorio:
. - . . - , comprehensive
■hose who could he trusted He adds i j able system* a..
"ThoifaSt words that f h i.d It P/wdor- '
ly were ‘Powderly, if you have any
grlevauoea you may oomo to my house
or at my cllloa, but do not
bring McDowell, oomo youraeif.’ I
was overrun with poorrlo who said to
me: ’Book out for McD .well; you will
have him presenting you with a hill
to-morrow ot $20,009 tor settling this
strike, and ho will put it In the hands
of a lawyer and sue you.’ ”
The oommlttee took a recess for a
quarter of an hour and re-asHembled
a 3 pm, when the examination of
Gould was resumed.
He was inquired of by Crain as to the
ways of construction companies In
issuing stook to themselves ont of
proportion to the work done, but
Gould denied any knowledge of such
dark and questionable transactions.
Ho v/as askod his opinion as to the
cause of he strike, and tho only reason j
(hat occurred to him was a desire of;
Home of the loaders to obtain noto- I
risty, and tho ooceequencos he
had never heard of and did not I
fie.ieve in such causes of com-1
p’alnt as Powderly alluded to ;
In the, firat day’s testimony, such as 1
unit -Cady
l-.r
li a urcu
m m.-ii
a v-iry
Paul,
Pai .fia
119 OW
rip:, with -ib u; the
re Now Yirk, hai
ire yatds .-! stretiiU
. ruetr-qiuiiH, It hn»
ttc. t’loca' and chart'.*
mat/iuliia .weu.y-
.hreo circulating .ibrarles. Its annual
m unloipat '.-xpei.-fitures art: under $10,»
OlOOCO The annua! upandUuros of
Now York are nearly $86.ottu.uuo, over
$I0,(XHJ,0'XI being required lor salane--
ofofficetioidei s alooe.
Icsllrond Oimrniloa,
It hSB been oaloulated that when f.
railway fare la pal:' 15 cents of It goes
to tho stockholders, 20 cents to the
bondholders, and 65 oeutd t wards pay
ing tho cost of operating tho road,
being chiefly distributed among work
ing men. This Is a genera, oomputa-i
tton wbloh does not apply to ovary
road, but is the average lor aii th*
roads in the country,
If Irishmen lathe British army
would lay down their arms and leave
England without au army, that aof.
would be cal'.tfd ar: I;lsh rebellion,
Mr Powderly thinks there wii! nev
er be another extensive rai road strlka
In this country, If the present strike
is to ,'Kst another will uot bo t ecossary.
The race horse is a noble uci.nal, aud
cheating ol employes in the matter of it la a pity that he should be used sola-
hospital taxation, homestead and stores iy fur gambling pt.rposas,
belonging to superintendents and fore-1
men. Such statements were rldica- Tire average o ongressiocT statssat m
.ous, and ho felt positive there wets no in looking for s taxid policy thsl wild
instances of tbe kind, He was it qulred return him tc congress.