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Wi i* be up Office. a ° d d «hvered at the Polt- Nin NO I ICE. »Pplvtoth? n l t l hsaUerdate 1 shall ... r lPe Honorable the Inl<». count y tor a,ida, * au iam« hi Uniy ol Richmond, u-eorj^;^ 1 the rcal CS ' »ol<] for tlie h^ bl ? art | dcccased » ar,d creditors. " ° ttlc a;,tl UDER > Ad “*’'- n 1809. tn9m .. 5 0 Cents Cash 'W might, forth#l K ' ven l, ie Subscri- S ofd '« sumac 7f' br T h ,• Eurv\ C » delivered at b, gbe»t ' a«*yard.— Also the 'L.i. priCe >n cash for Goat. May 22i M - WILUE & Co. BRITISH PARLIAMENT. House of Lords. February 17. The order of the day being read, Lord Grenville rose and spoke to the following effect : “My Lord h, it will be in your lordships recollection, that towards the close of the last session of Parliament, I gave notice of mv intention of making a motion sim ilar to the one I am about to pro pose for rhe consideration of this House. For this purpose it was,’ the manufactures and merchants affected by the ruinous consequen ces of your orders in council, were summoned and gave evidence at the bar, which completely and ful ly proved the impolicy of those measures. Rut I had reasons to suppose at the time, what was the strongest wish of my heart, that means would then be resorted to, by which the differences bet ween this country and America might be placed in a situation most like ly to produce reconciliation. This consideration induced me to relin quish the motion of which I gave notice oa the occasion ; & when, my lords I retired from this house, it would have been a consolation to my mind, if what had been then already known in respect to the pernicious effect of these orders, and what has since resulted , had led to tiie adoption of more just and wiser counsels. <Jn the con trary, we find the same conduct persevered in ; his majesty’s min isters persist in this blind policy, which renders it necessary for me to bring this subject again under your solemn investigation. It might be found, upon loruier oc casions, that the expediency of this Hue ol conduct towards America was a question of argument ; hut it has now ceased tobe so ; no pre- | text can bc set forth to do away j tnuse facts which irresistibly prove the enervating calamities growing out of the orders in council. li we revert to the end of that disas trous war which raged between the two coumries, and review the pro„ cecdiug* of government in respect to America 111 17814, and Irom that period down to the present admin istration, every endeavor was made that all disputes might cease, all past prejudices obliterated, and complete harmony be established between the two countries. The wisdom of conciliating America naturally presented iiaeit ; that country was ueaily allied to us, aud many events might take place 10 make it one of the most impor tant interests of Great Britain to have America our it lend. jkud when the late war broke out oa the continent, it was not ou fj my own firm conviction, but it was the particular care of Mr. Tilt, to take every *tcp to put au end 10 all differences which ictnaincu un billed, being certain of the pru dence on our part, to u*e every meant of strengthening the bonds ol amity between the two nations. 1 had reason to feel happy, *»ot on ly in btiug so disposed, but iu hav ing the opportunity of being assist ed in this pursuit by the ability of so great a statesman. It was also one ol the first considerations, ou the parts of myself and colleagues, in the late administration, to has ten the completion of what had been so wisely begun ; and, under , the management of a uobic lord near me, it wa» confidently hoped, that ever) prior dispute would tiicn be happily adjusted, and a , treaty, disauvantageoua to neither, 1 Out mutually advantageous to bom was agreed upon between the two couultics. boou after, every en gine was set to work, every means was resorted to by those who ap prove of the present proceeding*, 10 make it believed a treaty had been negotiated, inimical to our “ HOLD THE MIRROR UP TO NATURE.” ShakcSptarC. mercantile interests: But, my ordi, I will venture to say »hat here was not the smallest part of he treaty alluded to disadvanta geous to commerce, but was actu dly more advantageous than what had since been required on the part of hi* majesty’s ministers. Before the terms of that treaty were known they were condemned by those who wish to drive the two coun tries into hostility. In discussing the present question, the first point and most material feature which I shall first mention, is the state, ment which lias been recently made, relative to the proposal of America for rescinding our orders in council, and reversing the de crees of France. How such a statement should be made from such an authority as the noble Se cretary of State, and so contrary to the fact, is to my mind incom prehensible. But, my lords, in the course of this evening, [ pledge myself to clear this part of the A merican conduct from the shadow of a doubt. I will shew you from documents now on your lordship’s table, a satisfactory contradiction to this studied misrepresentation. (Hear! Hear' from the mioiste rial side.) I mean to convey no personal allusion to the noble Se cretary, but it was certainly declar ed that America, in her propssals, exhibited a disposition partial to wards France, and hostile towards this country- Here it become* me , in justice to the character of the person who presides in the United States, to retract a inistatemcnt, for God forbid I should not do so, and particularly when 1 complain of the mistatement of other# ! I did think, from the information I then possessed, his conduct was not unworthy of approbation, in shewing* preference to the cause of France. But it was not so; the speech imputed to hitn was not true, and it was for noble lords op. posite to have corrected all mis. takes on the subject. My lords, it may well he remembered, when the present administration had suc ceeded in their desired and favor ite object ot filling the situations which they now occupy, their first step was to manifest by all possible means, their determination to pur. sue a line of conduct completely con. tradictory to that pursued by their predecessors. Happy, my lords very happy do I feel, that there is no resemblance between their measures and those of their pre decessors. lam far from being happy because they have adopted measures so contradictory ; but I am happy iheir predecessors guid. ed themselves by wisor counsels, hr principles more just and more conducive to] the welfare of these dominions. They have fully e vinced to the world their success in this determination ; no contrast can be more opposite than the measures produced by the two ad ministrations. It was our province to conci liate—-it ha# been theirs to irritate —lt was ours to smooth over difficulties, and produce a good understanding and harmony be tween this country and the Uni ted States—it has been their stu dy to foment dispute, to inflame by injustice & outrage, U to drive by force that country into open war with ourselves. Their pre decessors may feel consolation that the whole of their conduct j was different from that of the pre sent ministers. It was different in respect to Ireland, in respect to the Continent, in respect to neutral nations, in respect to do’ i tnestic policy, in respect to rata ; sures of finance, and must of all, in respect to America. It will be unnecessary to have recourse to what has been on former occasions j so repeatedly urged upon the pre- | sent question, and I shall on that j account conform myself to those observations, which arise out of the effects produced by the orders of council. But at the same time 1 my conviction is the same ; the opinion I before delivered is con firmed by experiene, and is more and more strengthened by the ac cumulation of facts : I am fullv conviced the policy of these me*- j sure 9 betrays more egregious fol | ly, and more confounded ignor ence, than was ever manifested by any set of men, conducting the as : fairs of government. The avowed object of these orders was declar- j icdtobe, to counteract the unjust decrees of the ruler of France ; ; I shall not now discuss the im. j propriety of making such orders, contrary to the laws and statutes of the realm and in open and wan ton violation of the sacred laws | of nations, but shall next call your ! lordship’s attention to the propo ! sals themselves, made by the Uni ted States of America. On the 23d of August last, in consequence I of what had previously been com. municatrd on this subject, be tween the two countries, instre tions were given to Mr. Pinkney, the American minister, resident in thu country to propose to his Majesty’s government, that if the or dcrsin council were rescinded in respect to America, the embargo would be taken off in respect to us ; and if the enemy should not repeal their decrees, the embargo would be continued with regard to them. The documents themselves are on the table , and they fully contradict the statement made, so surprizingly made by these in rsbose possession the documents were at the very time , namely that America, exhibited a favora ble disposition towards the go vernment of France, and in making these proposals had promised more to France, than to Great Britain. But, my Lords, it is by no means the case ; these do cuments will enable me to prove the reverse of that proposition. It was well known to America, if France alonfi had annulled her decrees, still America would not improve her situation as to the embargo ; for it alic were to send her numerous merchant vessels to cover the seas, they woutd even tually fail a sacrifice to the orders in council. Therefore the only prospect of advantage held out to France was to this purpose ; re scind your decrees with regard to America, and if your enemy con tinue their orders we shall even tually be forced into a contest with them. The proposal to G. Britain was this j repeal your or ders in council as they regard America, and we will immediate ly take off tile embargo with re gard to you, & if your enemy con tinue his decrees, we shall eventu- ally be forced into a contest with him, and probably it may lead to an alliance with you, fur the pur> pose ui prosecuting that cause in which you arc now engaged with Praucc. (litre his Lordship read from the pi meed papers, the mes sage of the President to the Con gress, the instructions sent to i*ir. Armstrong, in Pans, and to iVir. Piukuey, London, together with the different communications made at a subsequent period ou toe nature of these proposals, ail which med Uic statement | of his Lordsuip ; that particular** j ly iu respect to the dcclarauou j of hostility, the expressions made | use of were the same in tubttauce and almost the same in words.) 1 1 here cannot be the smallest doubt but there u a studied simi larity in the proposals to both, fur the purpose of preventing any partiality being manifested towards i either, but how it should come ! to pass that such a daclaranon should be made in this House, so i ; inconsistent with the documents upon your Lordship's table, appea-s i to me more unaccuuutablc when i call your attention to a letter writ ten by Mr. Caiiuiug, on me sub* ijoettof tnesa piopostls, wherein I r,„, . a [No. XXXIV.] MONDAY, June 5, 1809. he takes upon him to give his oj pinion to the American minister on this question and to communicate the precise way to which he under stood the proposals to have been made. (“ What page in the printed papers I” From the minis terial side.) —No page mv Lords ; it is not from the printed papers i produce tiiis letter, but from an American newspaper. The no ble Lords opposite after every j communication moved for, after so many declarations of their readi ness to grant the fullest information have not thought proper to product this letter ; why they omitted so doing remains a mystery, and re* quires explanation. This letter proposes, for the sake of satisfy ing the American minister and also for the sake of preventing any misapprehension, to state in what sense these proposals were understood by his majesty 7 * min isters. The letter afterwards proceeds to say, that it was fully understood, that if the proposals wer« agreed to on the part of the kings government, America would eventually arm her merchantmen in the cause of tins country against the government of France. (His Lordship 1 1 e-re read -that parage from Canning’s letter (He a r ! Hear !J 1 hia passage »** '*j rt ~* contradiction of thejatitemenrgone abroad from this House, and l should feel glad, not i„ the com mon acceptation of tuc h e sprits sioas but from the bottom of my heart, il the noble Secretary can so far justify that statement/ by con tradicting the truth 0 f t hi ß produc tion, and shewing it to be au Arne rican forgery. Still it is not only this letter, but the whole of the do cuments fully demonstrate the jus tice, the tairness and equality of these proposals to both the belligerent, powers. His majes. ty’s ministers returned an an swer to these overtures from A merica, which reflects disgrace ou their conduct— It is not an answer consistent with the decor um or the tenor of diplomatic lau guage ; but, for tho first time, de" viaiing from the usage of the past times, it contains that irony and sarcasm, which ought never to be employed on these occasions which is highly ditrespectful to the na don we address, and can produce so eflect but that of wounding the most tender feeling of our *py America above all other nati 0D8 ‘ so lately risen into notice, wi.l f ee | jealous of her independence, and she has the same right to rei ur u the same language she receded from this country. The an swer ot ministers suggested to Am enC | that Uis majesty'* government totally indifferent as to the em „ bargo being continued or taken off , it did not effect tht* country ; but ihey wished to extend th e i r [, c . nevoience beyond the limit* Q f the subject of this realm, an ( | (a^c •ornc thought for the people c f the United State*, and a desire to relieve them fr 0 m the injurious consequence* of ( h e em . bargo. Wnat would nobl e L or( j g opposite have said, if any observa tion of irony and sacra*m had been made towards this country in a similar manner ? If the A merican# had said we have no choice ourselves, whether the or ders in council be repealed or not, we arc anxious only on ac count of your distressed manu factures in Lancashire, no doubt existed of feeling with which auch a declaration would have been received in this kiugdom. When this answer was read to the mem. bers of the Assembly there was a general cry from all that it should be read again ; after which was a great and tumultuous burst of ludigoaiion against the uuwor. thy and disrespectful language of’ the communication, {Hear / hear) The answet returned by raiaistera my Lords has a rsadeftcy to in crease me degree «f crcau which