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SEVEN DAYS I. VI CE FROM FRANCE.
By the packet ri tip Francis Depnu. Capt. llo-
lijnson, wo ii vo Paris and Havre papers to the
evening of Saturday, Jan. 3fat.
Ou the 30:1) of January various documents re
lating to the discussion with the United .States
were laid before the Chambers. Among them
is the note which our Government has suppress
ed and which we publish below.
Inn insty glance over the French papers, we
to apply to the Chambers to place at its disposal] is kuown. neither war, nor outraged dignity, nor ! s i ie should attempt to interrupt the commerce i dent brauch of^ that government, in the same
the 25 millions stimulated by the tieatvof July 4 danger i. out commercial relations, is longer between this country and Great Britain. or to in- mauncr that this’Houseis under our constitution.
In the meantime, 1 Ilis .Majesty has resolved not tut tight of. Attention is entirely directed to- ] terferc with British vessels trading between the I Admit this fact, and what follows: why these
to expose his .Minister to hear such language as wards the lair amount of claims. 1 visited yes- | United States and any part of the world—if she j honorable gentlemen say, that the treaty is not
that which was uttered on December 1. The un
dersigned itas received orders to return to France
and the transmission of these orders have hern
No: on this point he fully concurred
gentleman’s colleague (.Mr. Bouldin,) u 1 lf
the way had, in u masterly manner, exposed’ ■
dissipated many of his arguments. v„ a!l "
u titan,
communicated to Mr, Livingston."
- terriuy direc political patties (trois salons poli-I should venture to trespass *on her neutiality, . complete and binding on the nation until all the j said Mr. A., is presumed to he m> re tenncioi,!*
, j tiquc.i) aud th< gcueral opiuiou appeared to tne I Euglaud would soou he a party in the war. departments of the Government have ratified it and | his individual reputation—his personal houor °'
i to he that this year there would he no subsidy ; We mean, sir, to have no war with France— provided for its final consummation ; and therefore j hut while he was speaking an observer o u |a "
voted f<; i ,1
tv would not
tlo not see much rcl;
fairs. What there is,
kindly than otherwise,
is no middle course for
lion of tin: indemnity e
tire.
iting to the American af-
appears to I o said rather
The National says there
i ’ranee bc(n ecu tlio adop-
itiro aud its-rejection en-
Jlij the /fsi. Gibbons.
Nj-tw Yorz. March 11
LATE FROM FRANCE.
The )>acket sh*j* Rhone, Capt. Rockett, arri
ved yesterday morning, sailed from Ilavreou the
11 lit ultimo, and lias brought us papers to that
date.
Tile report anti resolutions of the .Senate, on
the subject of our relations with Fruee, which;
was unanimously adopted, roaeliod Paris on tie-
Gtji. aud appears to have had a favor hie effect
ou the French public.
It does not appear that there had y
American indemnity ; that the trea- \ W e mean to avoid it—to do so effectually, we must ire hare no cause of complaint against France.— j sily detect the conflict in his bo.-om, betweent*'
m recognised assigned by the King, j meet the crisis fearlesly—and maintain our lia- , Is this true, in regatd either to the French Gov- ! sense of individual and national honor—t|. n ,
because we should then have to pay three uiil-.j tioualrigh's with dignity—adopt that as your rule eminent or our own ? 1 presume not. What felt that he could not himself submit to huiVV'*'*
lions more for interest. The Ministers are Ida- ; 0 f conduct in your relations with foreign nations could he the consequence of such a doctrine 7— [ tint), while he was p-rsuading this House t ,
med for havjug recalled M.-Scrrurier before the j a nd you will command the respect of the world, & The Executive branch of tho Government, to ] as cowards—saying to them, you must not ^
ut's Message together with our isolated position avoid war for , which isintrusted the treaty making power, would j this, for fear of th" - 1 0
the Preside]
opinion ol ( on<;
was known.
’Flie report of the American Senatorial Com
mittee''(say? the\. Y". Gazette) was received iu
Paris, via Euglaud; and had a very powerful
effect. The arrival of the Francis 1. it lew days
afterwards, with inieliigeuco of he unanimous
adoption the report by the S*cnate, also had a
very favorable tendency ; and all the private ad
vices ctiueur in expressing a confident belief that
Tho dates from London are to Jen, 29th. The
elections were about complete. One of the \\ big
papers states the result at -10G Reformers and
250. lurics.
They say however that the precise sentiments
of the tin moors on the questiou of permitting the
pre-cut Ministry to make an experiment, can on
ly be ascertained after thomcoiiog of Parliament. I ferrejl, havo declared themselves in favor of the
The conservative papers speak with exultation ! i/fll, and there van now he hut little doubt of its 111 ln j' i eky. sftvs there is no doubt ol its passage,
ofilfe result of tbe elections. passage. Deujaniin Delessert, who was opposed idthfl
Someucw insurrcctionniy roovemchts had bro- Wc regret to liiui an acrount of tlie lo«s of the
ken out in Spain, tliougli not in the natneofDon ship Lion, on tlic 2d tlay out. from Liverpool for
Carlos. j New Orleans, by which disaster Capt. Burster,
Paris, January 31st. ; tho worthy ■commander, and ten of liis creiv,
Tho remaining documents relative to too Ante- : were drowned,
riean claims, woiq laid ujion the tahlo of the: Our correspondent at .’Marseilles, under date
< h.imher of Deputies yesterday. \Yo select the ; of Febinnrv2d, sav3:—“Tho President's-Mes-
following, v. Iiich are I.it: most important'; they j sage has had some effect on American vcs-els
a century to come. France, sir, will, herself, enter into a solemn treaty with a foreign nation, j Mr. A., the gentleman's sjvcch was periy., t * J
respect us the more for maintaining dug rights ■ but the Chamber of Deputies in France, or this I consistent with the resolution with which""
with spirit and firmhess. Gentlemen w ho enter- ; House here, as the case m*ty be, would refuse to i eluded it. liis honorable colleague (MUgo*
t:tiue<l a different opinion must pardon him for ( make the appropriation necessary to carry it into i ham) had expressed a determination u. vote /
totally dissenting from the policy adopted by the effect, and consequently the treaty would prove j that resolution, at the same time taking oecasiT
Senate. A persuasive tone is not the one which in fact to he no treaty. The parties would stand j to protest against the gentleman’s speech, fa 11
will ever obtain indemnity from any nation.— J precisely whe’re they stood before tho negotiations ; test against bo:h the speech and the resohitvw
The tone of the Message justly responded by tile were commenced, and in this way a nation might | for if it is true that tho French are not bound t
gentleman from Massachusetts, (Mr. Adams) is ( forever avoid the payment of money due for any ! tho treaty, and do Lot owe tho debt, tficn
* ” ’ ’ Sir, this cannot be: j have no right to pass tile resolution. Soiieuiiril
n the documents were as it ought to have done, and tiie applause ot : true. Tiie proposition involves in itself a tnaui- j say to tile gentleman from .Pennsylvania, /w ‘
e pa sago of the bill, I nations. Ffhnhe respects us because we respect j fast, contradiction. If the Executive branch of 1 Biniiey,) whose speech was also perfectly can’
le memne/s to a fr.end | ourselves. For the time the French Chamber is ! the Government has the power to make a treaty, 1 sistent with the resolution. He admitted it.!
imutW-e his recall, and tlic draft of tlia note which
lie wns charged to dcliverto the Government *of
the United States.
- LETTER TO M. SERRPR1KR. , .
• “ Baris, January, 1835.
“ Sir—1 have received the despatches you hat e
done mo the honor to address to me up to De
cember 2, inclusive. Tiie .Message ofPrcsidcut
Jackson !its produced in France, the effect you
it any. . . ■■ _ .. jjppHi I h.
fiual action ou the American Indemnity Bill, but *he ludeuiuity Bill will pass. Eig.ti out ot nine j that which has commanded the respect of France j cause to nuotlicr nation,
it seems that a large majority of tin* Gominittce Gie (committee to whom the documents were
of the Chambers, to whom tlie'spljert-was re- | riserred, areiu favor'ofth
and a letter from one of the uiemners to a friend ! ourselves. For tho time the French Chamber is | tho Government has the power to make a treaty, j sistent with the resolution. He admitted (j^
awukeued to tho true charactor of tiie ques- it follows as a necessary consequence that such i tho (muse should first ssttle the question, nhs
tion. Hitherto it has been frittered away, trifled j treaty must be binding and obligatory on the tia- ther that treaty was truly binding [Air. A. i) t r e
with; aud lost sight of, amidst the struggles for j tion : and therefore if auotlierhranch of the same j read from the French' Constitution the portion
power among the various parties in that body—■ government, holding by tho constitution the relating to the functions of the King, >,|;,, v p
they never looked abroad. Now it has become j purse strings, shall refuse to pay tiie money sti- that the treaty-making |>oi\tt reposed iutiy,;
a great national question, in which the honor aud | puiated by tiie treaty to he paid, such refusal is a j Nor h word, said Mr. A.* is here sni.d abotu i'•
welfare of the nation is iuvolved, and tiie measure j violation of the faith of the nation, and a breach j Chamber of Deputies. Before God and i,. a
will no longer he sacrificed to gratify the spirit i of the treaty. I admit the right of the Chambers [ that treaty was binding. Another article in t? c
f of parly. If it be defeated, it will he because and of this House to refuse the appropriation no- constitution declares Mint “the public debt is
maintain iheir pi ices, and l login to think j both Houses did uot at an early period of tiie I cessary to carry the treaty iuto effect'; hut fhiy ratified—every debt entered into by the coast"
ads fur ihe conriug -•.•asou will go out tts j session, respond to the tone of the message,' not j do it at their peril, and tiie, nation injuied or in- I tilted authorities shall be inviolable.” s 0 X
suited ity the refusal, wil' liavo tile perfect rigiit j (’harnher of I 'eputie-could nut reject this K
treaty of 1831, but whoi-uotvin fiivorxifit, has
been elected President, an i M. Thomas Ducos,
Seer tary, ofthe Commit tee.
M. Dnfaurc appears to be the ouly Member of
the Committee whose opinion has not been gai
ned over beforehand to the measure.
Extract ot a letter Paris. Feb. 7.— Goods at
Lyons
’>>• h tier addressed to M. Serruricr. to an- | here, as thoso waiting for freights" do uoteven got-l j^ at goods tor the coming '•.■ason will go out as [ session, respond to the tone of the message, not j do it at their peril, and tiie nation injuied or i:i- I tilted authorities shall be inviolable.'
an offer. Swedish and other foreign vessels being; °r nearly as high ns hr past season. The j by adopting measures of reprisals at once, but by, stilted by the refusal, will have life perfect rigiit! Chamber of ! leputi,
' J ’nj"’ " ‘ nity without violating national faith—trithoit
the j violating tlieir'own constitution, which they ar .
to support., lie had heard a .mo non j,
preferred under the present aspect of things he- j differtineb betvreep tiie two <;o untried floy hus no j doing what we are now about to do, exhibiting a 1 to demand and take satisfaction,
tween the United States aud France. The pre | jnsporitint iunuenco upoa i.uslaea* operations ; ; firm determination; to sustain the rights and honor | fii s principal ohje'a fii rising to addre
judice Iieie against the American claim, is WryjinJfai, at jhe highest point of exi itement, there “ ' ’ 1 ’ -*■ 1 ’* —... I — *
strong. All tho American vessels that have lefi wa-, a trillingdepre i siou in ilm price of goods,’'
this port for Sicily, have been obliged to.go to I In the sittingof the Chamber of-Deputies, Feb.
Malta to perform quarantine before they can he
admitted.
Tlic report that tiie. Queen of England was
uticipated. The King’s Government cannot, ! enceinte, proves to he true. It causes much
evidently, dispense with repelling, by a marked juicing among the Trries, as holding nut a proa
innnifesiasiou, n measure so offensive. His i\Ia- J j>cct of placing ihe Princess Victoria in the liaek-
jestv lias decided that you should leave the Uni- j ground.
ted States," after having delivered to Mr. Forsyth The Whigs have brought forward Mr. Aber-
the subjoined note, apd accredited M. Pagcot as : c-umhic as their candidale for Speaker, iu place
Charge (1’Affairs. I announced this resolution to ! of Sir Charles Manners Sutton.
IMr. Livingston yesterday evening. Passports • JosepliTlonapartc came to London to sec the
•will ho ready hr him iu case he should conceive j Duke of Lcuelitcuberg. He met him at tiie
that lie ought to take h : s departuiQ. Surb, sir, ; house ofa friend, ami was closeted with him se-
are the mca-urcs that liis .Majesty has thought / verni hours.^
uecctsary to maintain the dignity of France ; \ Tho accounts from, the theatre of war iu Spain,'
hut ho lias not thought that this high interest are to the 1st of February. Charles V arrived
reuders it necessary for us to go hack from a de
termination which is.dictated by good faith and
justice. The bill relating to the Americau claims
will ho presented Id-morrow to the Chamber of
Deputies ; but will contain an additional clause,
authorising tiie employment of all or part of tbo-
millimis for indemnifying the subjects of
at Zuniga on the evening cf the 27th. Field
Marshal Yiturraldc arrived at I.auz on the 31st
of January, with two battalliona the 3d of Gx.i-
puscoa had left lleruaui for Santcstihan ; two
hattallions of Navarre occupied Lesnca. All the
avenues to Elisomlo being thus occupied, and the
Christinas not having auy force in the ucighhor-
i'’ranco for all such losses as they may sustain in j Itood, it is difliciilt to conceive how this fort could
f onsequence of any measures to he adopted by he blockaded as was announced,
tho United States.” j The Journal des Dcbats, alluding to the cou-
na u rui mi: notv. i vnt to m. SEnr.URir.n. i tradictary reports afloat respecting tho intended
“ Flip undersigned,' &c-, has received orders ; mcdificalions in the English Cnbiuct, expresses
to deliver ibo following note to ihe Secretary-of ; an opiuiou tliat nothing will he changed im>i! af
State of-tlic Governmrut of the United Stales:— terthc grand contcst-for tho nomination of the
“ It would !u> .s\i])crflttous to sny that tiie Mcs : Speaker, nor docs the journal consider that event
”iec. addressed ou December I, to the Congress event ns.decisive. The duenssion of the address
<' the United States liy General Jackson, lias will decide the fate of the Ministry, hut it would
1) • i r, reived at Ih.ris with the most painfal stir- not of course he enfeebled by. tho nomination of
prU". The lxing’s Government is far from sup- Mr. Abercrombie to the Chair.
P< “>ng that tho measures which tho message re- , Paris. Fcqrttriry 7.
eumnicuds to tin: attention of tiie Cougrcss will The question of the American indemnity lias
lie adopted by tbat assemiily. But oven consi- ; been examined in the burcaur, orstnndinu Bom-
dvriug ih" document in question ns a simple ma- mittccs of the Chamber of Deputies- The iu-
mftisttuion of tiie opinion wiiicii tiie President; vestigatiou commenced with an inquiry into tiie
wishes to express as to tho maieh pursued by the I motives •which inducod /Ministers to allow the
! ncli (j >v eminent in this afl’air, it is impossible ! President of the United States to suppose that
not lo.c^nMdtr iu publication ns an act of tho (the concurrence of tho French Chambers was
in ?t serious nature. The complaints made by I unneeessaryro tho fulfilment of the treaty. The
the President against the pretended unfal'ilmcnt 1 interval which had elapsed between the >-"xt hnngo-
®f tho Cog igements ontcred into by tho King’s nod ratification of the treaty, and iu nresenta-
Government, in coussqucnco ol the vote of April tion to tho Chamber, was next made the subject
I, 1 -31, are not only strange for the inexactitude , ofsevcic comment, innrmuch lis General Jack-
5i|ioii which they are founded, but also because, son, who, in consequence of the promises made
' k ' •’xjilantitiun . given to Mr. Livingston atParis { *° him. confidently reckoned upon the adoption
thos ' "
theC
left i
2d, the Minuter for Funigtl Affairs said that all
tho documents relative to the American claim
had been iaiii on the table, printed and distribu
ted-, togetln r v\ ith tu extract of the olficial cor-
rosjXMidctrebetween the French Minister Pleni
potentiary to the United States and the Ameri
can Government, in consideration of the political
and commercial interests attached to this ques
tion, now urged the Chamber to lose no time, iu
appointing the committee on the hill relative to
the American treaty.
The Chamber, on' the proposition of M. Gi-
rnud, decided that the hill should be examined
in tlic Committee ou Thursday next.
A letter from .Messrs. Welles & Co-, of Paris,
received by the Rhone, says : “Tiie Indemnity
Bill will probably pass the Chambers in all.the
month (February) by a majority ofahoutoO.
Extract ofa letter from Paris, dated 7th Feb.
1835'.—“We arc- glad to he able to say, that the
members of the Committee, named in the Cham
ber to" report upon the Bill of .Indemnity, are,
with oue single exception, all in favor it, and
that what passed in the Bureaux before the ».o-
m it in l ion, is regarded as confirmatory of the ge
neral hope, that tlte Bill will pass. The mode
ration of your Senate is observed with great’sa
tisfaction.” ' r-
Thc New York Gazette says:—U’o are in
debted to a commercial friend for extracts from
Havre letters to <he 10th Fcbruai'y, which give
very favorable accomus of the Liverpool cottou
market. On- letter of theSth says fhar thesales
at Liverpool ou the 1th amounted to lft.OOO hales,
at an aut tuce of Jd. on American descriptions,
ami ^d. on Bnizils. The demand w ris not so brisk
on (lie Stir, owing tp tho arrival of fourteen ves
sels from the United States, and ouly -1000 bags
were sold. The sales from the 20th of January
to the -ith of Febtuary. inclusive, amounted to
25,000 hags. Another letter of the 10th, says
that ihe advices from Liverpool to the morning
ofthoCth, continu-d to he favoraiilo, as the ac
counts for tiie week, which would he made up
that evening, v . M show. ’
that had spoken. He would therefore proceed at) heard much ot oui ohligatioii to i lie Irene!,
iuiviu, was the main and : ai, d it incontinent!) remindeil linn ot one wlii
once to what, in his opiuiou
only question which ought to be considered, am
he would detain tho House hut a few minutes.—
His honorable colleague (Mr. Gilmer) aud the
lion, gentleman from Virginia who last addressed
the House (Mr. Robertson) had both eniphali
spoke in
“ Words clothed iu reason’s garb.
Courting ignoble ease—not peace.”
He would tell gentlemen what- his object mn
from the eommeurejneut of ibis'question. Tbj
caily asked the question, “whut is the object of i Presidenl-of the United States had la.d ueforo
thi< if It l,n hnr nnim: ! Congress tiie state ot tile nation its relations ivith
oPtlie nation, should the obligations of the treaty j House, was to present to them a view of tiie sub- i sworn to
be not fulfilled. -But? sip. I believe the appropri- j e « t wliich had iiot been taken by anv gentleman , la y th:s sulject otvilte floor—no, the table!
ation will have been, or will be made. <Tb© cotitn •* ' • *•" *' " * : ' ' • *>—• ’
position of the Chamber differs from this body
aud tiie House of Commons. The privilege of
voting in Franco is limited to 130,000 voters,
aud the Deputies represent more fully tiie com
mercial and manufacturing interests of France,
having a deep interest in tiie question—if is
essentially a hody' representing the cities and
towns of Franco. Such representatives will sure
ly not sacrifice tiie great interests of their consti
tuents, to gratify party revenge. and in a'case
where France is clearly in the Wrong. But
whntever France may do, let us do our duty;
and without desiring or anticipating the worst,
let us he prebared for it.
I regret sir, that I have been compelled ,o en
gage in this debate, contrary to my wish or design;
for i auticipato, aud sincerely desire nothing hut
peace between tiie two greatnations. I willjiow,
sir, adopt, in the form of a resolution, a sentiment
which I found this morning in the report of the
minority of the Committee on Foreign Affairs.
Had such a resolution been proposed iu the
Cotnmittceby either of the gentlemen who sign
ed that document, it would have been, with per
haps one exception, unanimously supported:—
ings, and lead to a state of hostilities 7” Sir,
said Mr. S., I will tell the honorable gentleman
what the object is. Every member on ibis floor,
who has read thedebates iu the French Chamber,
at the time when the law to appropriate money
to carry the treaty into full effect, was rejected,
knows that the ground upon which the rejection
was placed, was that the promised indemnity
was too great, and that some twelve or thirteen
millions of francs is all that tlte French people
ought in justice to pay. A pamphlet containing
these debates, and this reasoning, was furnished
by the Executive to every member at the opening
of the present Congress. Wc have been iu ses
sion three months, with a full knowledge of all
these facts, and now, if.we adjourn without opeu-
our mouths on tlte subject, or declaring our
We were always ready to declare tliat “the trea- v ; cw of the matter, will not the conclusion from
ly of the 4th of July, 1331,-should be mniutaiued,
and its execution insisted ou at all hazards.’’ I
unite with them most cordially in the sentiment';
and 1 hope the gentleman from Massachusetts
will accept it ns a substitute for liis. The first
and third resolutions will he then abandoned—
and I trust that this resolution, with the second,
will ho ahopted with unanimity.
Tho resolution .was then road, aud place
amem:-
It is as
hose which tiie undersigned gave direct to ! °f the bill, had conceived himself authorised to
: at \\ a-hiugton, appeared not to have | tlrawupon tho French Government.
In several of the bureaux. Ministers were tnx-
ppearet
my possibility of :i misunderstanding upon
points so delicate. It resulted iu effect, from j"od with having furnished incomplete and rniiti-
'b ' exp.ana lions, that if the session of the
Fr. nrli < ' audit
st, in onlr
rfa-
whieh was opened on July
comply with an express pres-
criptmq of th Charier, was prorogued at tlte cud
<•! fifteen days, before the hill relative to tlte Ame-
i .ean claims announced in tlte Speech from tiie
'1 In otic, could he brought into discussion; this
pr negation arose only front the absolute impos
sibility of commencing at a tioriod so premature
the Irci.l :tivo labors belonging to the year 1835.
It ctpi.ii,') resulted that the motives which pro
's n'— ! Hu farm il presentation of tlic bill in ques
tion during tli-first period .. f tiie fifteen da>>. had
been drawn principally from tho desire of better
ensuring the success of this important affair, by
choosing the most r.p- irtune moment for offering
United States ap'd tiie French Gitvernincht pre
viously to T&31. It was also alleged that the
Intet! documents, and with having kept hack the
I coricsjiomlcncc which took plaec iietwocn tho
Uuitei ~
j viou
i meagre documents which had been presented to
i the Chamber, contained no memoirs or other pa-
j pers from tlic American agents, clearly cstnblish-
■ ing the origin of the claims and'producing evi-
I deuce of their amount. In reply to thes char
ges. Ministers urged tho impossibility of printing
the immense mass of documents tint referred to
the liquidation of '.lie accounts, adding, lint if
required, they should be communicate^! to the
.Members of th* commission. The Ministerial
Deputies insisted on the impolicy of alien: tic.
from France so old and firm an idly as America.
it t i the ronsidtrntion of the new ly elected Dcpu- ■ Almost all the Fonunissioners named in tho bn
ties, wiio (Kissthly might have been prejudiced rf u ,/r pronounced themselves in favor of the grunt
n,gainst it hy the unusual eagerness shown insub-
nmtitig it tu them so long before the period when
they would liavo to take it into discussion. The
undersigni d adds that, moreover, it is difficult
in eotnjir, hcml the advantages which would have
m “an Irani such a measure, since it would evi-
dt ml) not produced the resuhs which President
Jackin declared he had in wicw:jtliat ofniiuoun-
eing to tho Gungrc-iS the final eoncltiriou cf tbesa
long negotiations.
President supposes, it is true, that the
rs might have been re-tt>icmhied before
month of tiie year IS3I, hilt, even ItaJ
■" ! iii been re opened some few weeks' ear-
ivliieii, from several causes was impossible,
us! -•titjilc ealcui itioii will prove that unde
cnmstnoce:
Bite
Cham!
tlte last
though from different motives.
Too Paris Temps, alluding to tho ''-ports n-
float for some days, of an early change in th*
Cpbinet, says :—'-The most curious part of the
affair is that the Chamber is not in the least
thought of. In fact, w hen the firs: impulse does
not cotne from the Representative Body, ii i-
the most rebellions of nil instruments. Remark
in xvhat inaction it is now kept: never was a
parliamentary si srion more slothful than the pre
sent one. Ministers avoid discussions, and sel
dom venture to commit themselves with the new
assembly, to which no guarantee has heeu given,
which has never granted hut with regret tiie po-
litical votes asked of it : a! wavs reserved-aud itr
r ; dopctldenr, hovering between a refusal of eon
roub! the decision of the Ciiam- . enrreitee and a su|>|iort without afterthought. It
it lined and a fortiori known at : is evident that_mailers cdunotlorgremain in tH;-t
CONG HESS.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
Debate on Drench Relations:
j CONTINUED,
Fkb.23.—Mr L’A.MBlv El.ENG said—'
Tile gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Arciicr)
has given us a fallacions argument to alarm our
ft ars of tho consequences to result from ■encoun
tering so formidable a naval power as France is
at this time. Such yiijuioiis froin'so resjieetahle
a source, tire circulated to make an erroneous
impressidb both tit bnme-oml abroad. The gen
tleman has furni'hed us v ith a statistical table
of the number of ships of war of ^ach olass he-
lo;-giug ttr the French navy. The naval power
ofa ntitoii is not, sir. to be measured by the num
ber of its vessels of w nr—it is a fallacious standard.
It must he measured by the foundation on
which uttval power rests, ihe-cxtt ut and tharac-
li i- ot its !,in'.c~rial marine. No ti.iiioo (i-issi-sses
s > powerful and effedUve a comnu-rcial mniinc
ii the United Sjates. animated aud invigorated,
nsirh by tbr spirit offroetiom."
The gent lenlaa rrom Virginia may deeive him
self hut France knows onr naval strength, an J
England too; and if our national rights are main
tained here, ns they ought to lie. iu a spirit cor-
rc-p tiding with the i xlcnt of oijr naval resources,
neither France nor England will ever be willing
to engage ion war witlilis. Bui according totbe j
the order of proceedings, in lieu, of th
ment originally offered hy Mr. Adams
follows :
Resolved, That in the opinion of this House
the treaty of the 4tli of July, 1831, should he
maintained and its execution insisted on, at till
hazards. Marcji.2.
Mr. CAMBRELENG said, he rose not to pro
long the debate, hut to make air attempt to put
ail eud to the only war which he believed would
ever grow out of this question. We had oifmost
great questions—particularly on one which divid
ed the House and the country—adjusted it hy
compromise. Heuow rose to propose a compro
mise which lie hoped would unite- both sides of
) tho House. It was due to tiie gentleman from
Massachusetts, (Mr. Adams.) to explain to him
that he could not accept his first resolution as he
had promised to do, because, on examining its
provisions, he found it referred rather to the rights
such conduct be irresistible that we know we have
obtained by the treaty more than we arc entitled
to ? Will not the French Chamber and people
have a right to say that tve know that the ground
taken by them is true in point of fact, and that,
therefore, we have not denied it 7 Is not this the
fair-and legitimate conclusion from these pre
mises 7 And are gentlemen prepared to do an
act which shall lead to such consequences 7 Will
^lie rest of th*> world, and particularly with that
great, tliat mighty nation, France. He toldibe
tale in unvarnished g rise. Such was the condi
tion between tlic two powers* It was tint entire
ly new. M any'ofthe facts were known through
unofficial channels to members at the lastsessiou
.The President, aud through trim, our nation, had
assumed an attitude before the world. I ask not
whether he was rigiit or wrong. It was enough
that the nation was committed. And wlmt was
this House about to do. He would pot say it was
about to “dodge” the queston. No—d:ut it re
fused to act! In another place, that body ap
pointed a committee on the subject, in deference
to tlie recommendations of the President. That
committee did its duty faithfully. It sustained
in its report, the.'Chief -Magistrate, in all the
facts—but closed by a resolution, declaring it
(inexpedient to take any legislative measures ou
the sutijeet.
W
lie asked, if we stop here,
they he silent, by refusing to pass this resolution,
and by such silence convey to the French nation
and the world, the idea, that we claim more
than in justice and equity wt are entitled to 7
Sir, if there be any gentleman on this floor
who really believes that the treaty gives up inoic
than we are entitled to, let him say so. and let
him .vote against this resolution. But uo man in
this House, or in this nation, holds this opinion.
On tho contrary, every member who lias address
ed the Chair on either side of the question, has
declared his firm conviction, that the indemnity
offered by the treaty is much too small : that in
stead of twenty-five millions of francs, it ought to
be some sixty or seventy millions. Those gen
tlemen who oppose this resolution, have declared,
iu the minority report, and in their speeches,
that our claim under the treaty must not be aban
doned. Why, thou, are they unwilling to say
so, hy adopting the resolution on your table 7—-
of the claimants than of the nation. He thought j j-casou has been assigned, except that the re-
tile house would not adopt a resolution of that) solution contains a menace or a threat. Not so, j
charatter. He, however, proposed to offer the I 5 fr-there is nothing of that character in the re- I
resolution he had presented yesterday, w ithout the |* 0 lutiou—nothing that could insult an individual I
or a magnanimous people. No such thing is in
tended, aud the French people cannot so under
stand it.'
We desire not war. We have done nothing
to lead to such a result. This resolution has no
such hearing, and if the French Government
shall choose to make war on us iu consequence
words “at all hazards'” for he was compelled to
concur in the opinion expressed hy the gentleman
himself, (Mr. Everett,) that they were unparlia
mentary.
Mr. E. EVERETT explained. He consid
ered them not unparliamentary in a report hut in
tho form of a resolution.
Mr. C. continued: That gentleman must par- j °f **s passage, let them do so, and take the
don me, sir, if 1 cannot perceive tile propriety of i ‘bum and tiie consequences. The civilized world
the distinction between a report and a resolution, | "not sanction, hut decidedly condemn such a
which he makes. Both are alike reported for ! course..
adoption or rejection hy the House. The lan- , I Iris is the first opportunity which this House
guage was, lie thought, nQtonly unparliamentary lias had to express its opinion upon the conduct
—but the gentleman must pardon him for saying I of the French Chambers in rejecting the appro-
that ii was undignified and oven gasconading. He j priation,- and upon the justice of Our claims—
therefore, most willingly relinquished them as in- There is, in fact, uo difference of opinion here in
compatible with the dignity of the house. He 1 regard to cither. Let us then say to the French
should offer the resolution witiiout’these words, as I nation, that we know oui cause to be just—that
j argument of the- genth man, w o are to be over | SO on as the present motion was decided, and be indemnity provided for by the treaty, instead
i w helmed with sorii.e thirty or forte -hips of the j hoped in that form it would meet the approba- of being too large, is, in fact, too small, aud that
the
tion of the lions
Mr. SCHLEY said lie did riot rise to
what might he dignified with the title
The King's Go
- sta!c -
Paris, February2.
Tho Tribune was on Friday stopped at ’the
■ Post Office arid seized at th Office of th" join
• pal. The offensive article it appear- was”;,
! biography of Count d’Argout.
Tho Qiio'idicmie was stopped on Saturday at
tiie Post Office, and seized at the t Hi -e of the
journal, in coii£eqt?erf ; Co of its containing ;m ex-
1 tract from the Trioimtf relative to the American
1 claims.
Washington, on Dccembei 1
Vi-rnni -ut could not but believe that consider-'!
bon - so evident must have brought conviction to
the Cabinet cf tho United States, and the more
so ns no communication by that Cabinet to the
imd) rsigned. or transmitted at Paris through Mr.
Livingston, hud offered tho least expectation of
tin- irritation and misunderstanding which the
Message of December 1st lias revealed in a man
ner so deplorable, and w hen even Mr. Livings
ton, coinciding with that judicious spirit which.
disr.n-terises him in that system of temporising j he private correspondence of the Journal do | t< n
and !; hen-ante adopted with a view to the com- t Havre, says: “ The tippoinipient ofa comini-- : W :>
moil interest by tlu) Cabinet of tho Tuilcrics, had j rion altogether Ministerial. mao£ yesterday by , |„. t
require.!, at'tlic moment of the meeting of tho j 'he bureaux of tiie ChafnhoT for the examination c ,|_
1 linkers, tliat the presentation oftlie Bill should j of the American claim, should not indue*?'•**-
“ 1 , ' r ' J anosed low. | ni<;|
from I lie ocean iho wholeatav
Our m riners employed in il
const and on the banks, are al le
con.end mi. <•* s-ftlll) wuh auy naval power exist
ing. The naval resources of France may be
iu ships anil in hergr,l!ai:t officers—whose.daring . uinlor consideration did not require or
bravery no nation will rii-pute — but ships and 1
nfli 'ers arc powerless ■iriilio'it a well disciplined
and extensive commercial marine ; and nations
th-- most eanimerci.il mo t e'er be ih< mo-tpow-
e fill on the ocean In i war with us France
can derive no r.id from her army though it w ere
equal to that form hie loree which crossed ihe
Nii-mcn in ; 12. fh war, if there be oue, will
bp'-ou the * .iji. ' \\ i have the materials rendy
fornn immense nav\—we have a commercial
m«kc
of “a
we will insist upon its execution.
Mr. ADAMS, of Mass., said lie would offer a
few reasons why he could not vote for the resolu
thousand mariners vJioin tvs
have new engaged in the whale trade—that
“dreadful! trade”—are alone sufficient to sweep
\ pow er of 1 ranee, j speech.” lie was restrained from doing so by j tion offered as an amendment, hy the gentleman
fisheries on onr j two considerations ; first, because lie labored uu j from Virginia, (Mr. Archer.) That resolution
f themselves to_i dcr a physical disability to do so, in Consequence, expressed a “just expectation" that France would
Ut- ofi>] health during the greater part of the session, j have made provision for carrying into effect the
fat j and serotidly because in iris opliiiou-.the subject treaty, & e. Mr. A. said lie was not disposed to
dmit of ] handy words on this subject, hut be could not
much speaking. | say that he had a just expectation—or an expec-
Tho course, said Mr. Schley, which gentle- J tat ion at all—that France, would willingly render
men have taken in this debate, forcibly reminded ns justice ; and he would lie to his own conscience
him of a Reverend friend of liis in Georgia, who i if he said so., lie could not, in conscience, vote
is fond of speaking, and who. though he took a this, for Ire did not believe it. Sir, said Mr. A.,
text, always sedulously avoided touching it in his . if, ashas been s;fid, therccau he uo justifiable oe-
discoursc, and directed bn attention to matters : easion for a war of words with the French na-
and things in general- Sir, said Mr. S., what is ; tion. this is neither a place or lime for compli-
the question before the House 7 Is it a question menting them. Whence came the compliments
, of tear ? Is there any thing in the resolution of I to the French 7 Were they elicited bv her vir-
nly to avenge onr wrongs, and j fared, which looks to such a state of things 7 I toes 7 Was it because she had refused the pay.
t iu twelve mouths a naval j humbly apprehend riot. Why, then, do gentle- j ment of.(he annual instalments due to us 7 Was
(1
be still deferred, in order tliat its discussion should 1 -olute belief of the adoption of the pro;
not ho mixed up with debates of another nature, f Many circumstances may arise, licfore the open- j traordinary stateniei
the coincidence with which might alone cotnpro ■ 1 * n c ofibc debate, and even luring its discussion, i giniti has compelled uu- to dissipate th
niLe ihe hill. Tiie last obstacle had just been ! ,r * modify the ideas ol i lie f ham he is ; wff may , apprehensions they were calculated
.•moved, mid the hill was on tho ix.int of hr-iiie i moreover observe, tha t in all the bureaus, many ! w hich might do us an i jury
presented to the Chamber of Deputies, when the ^ members who did not: vote for the rejection of i nothing t
arrival oi the Message, creating an astonishment .*> ’be credit askei^ have nevertheless expressed when it :
; wo coukt
| force with which ;u> nation could successfullyenn-
I do not s-is ihi“ sir,-because I anticipate
w*th I'l-.m-e—heaven fa-ibid that the peace
o'-i: th- two nations should ever he istr.rh-
both nr.tic.us have every motive to cherish it;
I am sue. it never will be sacrificed for five
twe-nt' millions of/raucs. But. sir. the rj-
ts ofth< gentleman from Vir-
uufounded
cxi ile and
which might do us an \ -jurs abroad. "’e have
tt fear from niiv nation, come the contest
it least equal to thejiist iia iiaiion it failed uot to i opinion that the credit is siijceptible of reilur
excite, Inrci-d the Govrrnux nt to delihcrutc 11pon tion.
the part ii .'light t., an. .Strong in its good fnitli
and dignity, it did not think that tho inexplicable
it a.iso-
[transration.]
To the JlditriT of the Courier if Enqui'tr.
The commission formed of nine r-nnraissioners
net of l'roideul .1 neksO’i ouglit to mak
lute!) ii tmiiiicc a resolution founded upon prin- ch-eteri hy the Bureaux ofihe Chamber ofDepu-
‘ iph-s ami s'-iiliiiH-nts of good faith and good will ’ ties for the examination of the law of indemnity
to warns a friendly nation. Although it catinoi j of the Uuited States, nssemhleikDycsterday and
conceal from itseli the extent to whirl) the pro i appointed their President and Secretary. The
vocation from Washington has increased 1 *
-<tiffie|t!tie« which were already grenr, u decided
’ pro | appointed their President nnd Secretary.' The
those 1 fir,t is Mr. Benjamin Dcleeserl, and the second
voided ♦ M' - . Ducos. Now that the rcjtort of the £epate
may.
The gentleman has referred to tho opinions ex
pressed by our officer* as to the great superiority
and discipline of the French navy at tiie present
time. Modeslv. sir, is the characteristic of a brave
mau—our officer* will never underrate those who
are, or those who jnav be their antagonists. But
Ihe opinions of our officers ran never sweep away
our commercial marine, and while we have that,
we shall never concede s'uperi. rity to any naval
power. France, has too another powerful motive
lot not willingly etigngiug in a war with us.
men portray in such vivid colors the horrors and : it because she had violated her pledged faith 7
calamitiei of war? Is it to drive us from the Did gentlemen find, in all this, cause of corn-
support of this resolution 7 to drive us from auy j piiment 7 Was it from the style of the dignified
artion in regard to our present relations with t debates in their Chamber of Deputies, where wc
France. If this lie their object, they will find w ere characterised as a nation of mercenaries
themselves in error. , where the basest nu<) meanest of motives were
Sir. 1 will not undertake to attribute the mo- | attributed to the American people those of sor-
tive of such a course. Perhaps gentlemen would did avarice, speculation, and gain 7 Where it
not he willing to admit as just, the opinion I j was said of us—They worn go to war ! No.
have formed ; hut certainly no adequate motive s If yon owe them ten millions they will take up
can be found in the nature and tendency of the w ith three. Sn h, Mr. A. said, was the language
resolution Itself, and no gentleman who has ad- and style of the French towards tm. lie asked
vocated it ou this floor, has intimated a desire ; if on this was founded the expectations'- of
for war, nor any thing which could lead to such j the gentleman from Virginia. Mr. A. said he did
au not believe in the trnth of the declaration con
how did this matter appear? Why, it would ap
pear that, one branch of the legislature recom
mends that nothing be done, while the oilier re
fuses to express any opinion on the subject.—
The anticipation of such a rc-tilt Ind been the
source of all the-anxieiy which he J:" d felt upon
this subject. He did believe a dec arntiou of
tho views of that House due to oufiseives, toili-.-
world, to the s icred nature of tre-ntie-. it was,
therefore, w ith reference to the effect on France,
oil Europe, mi ihe World,- that ho had felt it
most essentially incumbent on the House to ex
press its feelings; its sentiments. We had heart!
much on that floor against war, and its horrors.
These views were as ancient as the war ofTmv
—in proof of which, Mr. A. quoted from the
Enead. ft was said too. that we should go to
war and deluge the country with blood for a pal
try sum of money, isucii too, whs the cry iu
1775,and ’G. When tve possessed but a tithe of
oar present resources—when wehad not ouly a
foreign, but a civil and an Indian w ar ! and ' ll
for—as was said by the lories of that day—two
peuce on a pound of tea! It was said ii was
cheaper to pay the tax than go to war ! Even
last war, some gentlemen coti-idered the cause a
small matter ; and asked how many American
citizens were impressed hy Great ’hit-tin—deela-'
I ring thei 1 - belief, that it was very few 1 This he
I then thought a most singular argument and the
I present argument was parallel to it. No man.
Mr. A. said, could entertain a greater abhorrence
for war and its calamines tlnn lie had. He would
do any thing hut sacrifice honor and indepen
dence lo avoid it. But w hen lie heard it advan
ced on that floor that there w as no such thing a,
national honor—that it was merch ideal—he
must take leave to say that he did not uhscribe
to such doctrine. After some further remarks,
Mr. A. said such were the reasons w hich inuuced
Iris resolutions. The first was declarative of the
rights of onr citizens to the indemnity claimed,
and the other was declarative of a determination
not to omit any possible means of honorable pa
cification. Mr. A. then referred to t.b<> situation
of the two countries in 170-L when a non-inter;
course was declared between the two ceuntrics,
and quoted documents on that subject, and con
cluded hy expressing a hope that the amendment
of the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Archet)
would he rejected.
The question recurring on the substitute adopt
ed by Mr. J. Q. AD \ M tS, ns given heloiv.
Resolved, That, in the opinion of this House,
the treaty w ith France of the 4 th of July, IS-'fl.
should he maintained, and its execution i :sbte‘l
upon-
Mr. MANX, of New York, called for the yeas
and navs.
The y were ordered and taken, when the reso
lution was adopted unanimously.
Mr. ADAMS then withdrew his other resolu
tion, and Mr. CHAMBERI.ENG also withdrew
the first resolution reported from the Committee
on Foreign Affairs, its place being superseded by
the one first adopteo.
The following resolutions were then also una
nimously adopted :
Resnlvd, That the Committer .oil Foreign Af
fairs be discharged from the further consideration
of so much of tlic President’s Message as relates
to commercial restrictions, or to reprisals oil tho
commerce
if Frai
Resolved, That preparation ought to he tn
to meet any emergency growing out of our
lotions with France.
Jacksonville, East Florida. March 12-
Fires.—We are informed that the City Hotel,
in St. Augustine', kept hy Capt. VV. Lcvingstoti,
was discovered to lie on fire on Thursday evening
last. 11 took from a stove iu one of the chambers,
nnd excited great alarm, but was soon extin
guished.
A house on the plantation of Mr. John Price,
situated on Six Mile Creek, was consumed by
fire on the night of the 2Gth nit. Considerable
I wns somewhat astonished to hon; my hono- , tained in the gentleman’s resolution ; nnd that ' ! 0SS , W! J S ^'stained iu tools *Seclothing, which were
raldo colleague, (Mr. Gilnir-r) and the honorable was one substantial reason why he could not j '“w! ’’’j ’T e "
gentleman from Virginia. (Mr. Archer.) assert the vote for it. Another reason is comprised iu what ! , " ,, . < * ers, . and ,hnt ,he nx,Rr,slv .T . c0 1 V , Ti
doctrine that there was no violation of the treaty , lie had heretofore said—and what the gentleman ~. W . ,n ' U K rlst,nili belonging to Maj. Arehibaiu
otuhe part of Franco by the refusal of the Cham- himself iu the honesty aud sincerity of his heart I Cla,k ’ °" ,lle Sl M'irv’s rivcr ' were totally tim
ber of Deputies to make the appropriation no-! had promptly admitted, that the whole founda- lr “ ye . '.’- v on , ,h( ; 27th uit. Our
cessary to carry it into effoct on their part. Ou tion, both of his speech and his resolution was i ° f °f ) " uon ,hnt ,h<> t,,ss w,n :,nl0 ‘ ,u, ,0 «'P’ yw "
If I h U Rr ° U L ( ru ,h f °P. i,,iou held ? On this, that j fear. Not that the gentleman was capable of en- j These Hues <t*ud here that al! may see “
If > Ihp French Chamber is a «<>pnrate and indgpeii¥ xtertainmg sticlt a feeling iq relation t« himself.— 1 The beauties of short poetry. *