The Western herald. (Auraria, Lumpkin County, Ga.) 1833-1???, November 02, 1833, Image 2

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Lntier consideration. Are lucre any circum stances so imperative in their chara; ter as to justify the neglect of t!ie obligations assumed t v the government in the Creek treaty ■■ In order, sir, that you may have a full view of this matter, i have enclosed’ copies of various instructions and other papers hating relation tc it. These will place you in possession of the principal facts 1 Since the ratification cf this treaty, repeated representations have been made to this De partment, by th * public Agents, by respectable individuals, and by the Indians, that greet: an ! wanton outrages have been committed upon the latter, by person-', who have intruded upon the ceded lands. It has been stated that the hotts - of the Indians have been forcibly taken poss sion of, and sometimes burnt, and the own.; driven into the woods; that their fields and im provements have been wrested from them, am: occupied bv white persons; that aggravated in juries have been committed upon the persons of the Indians ; and that their horses, cattie, hogs, end other property have been forcibly taken from them. The appeals of the Chiefs to the gov ernment to carry the treaty into effect, and to afford their people protection have been repented snd forcible. They represent that their crops have beer, taken from them, and they look for ward to a state of starvation, unless some de cisive step is adopted in their favor. And in addition to all this,the Deputy Marsha! reports, that there are four hundred persons selling whiskey to the Indians upengthc ceded lands. That this state of things requires a change cannot be doubted Surely no one would ex pect the government to sit stiil and witness such aggressions w ithout any effort to prevent them. You suggest, that the law of Alabama, ptoviding for the removal of intruders by actions of forcible entry and detainer, would be found sufficent for the protection of the Indians, and propose, proceedings under it should be adopt ed with that view.—To this suggestion the President sees two objections: Ist. The treaty expressly provides a differ ent mode, and therefore leaves no discretion with the Executive: and, 2d. There is every teasonto fear, that the remedy pointed out, would, if adopted, bo found wholly insufficient. Looking at the condition of the Indians; the intrusions among them; the injuries they have suffered and are exposed to; the difficulty of proof, and the great delay which would attend the prosecution of such a number of lav.- suits, on d in a community which could not but be excited upon the subject, it woud be vain to expect that the protection premised could in tijis way be insured. You do justice to the feelings of the President, ia statin,’ it as your belief, “that he is disposed •‘to cause the treaty to be carried into effect by | such means only as are clearly authorized by i the Constitution and laws.”—There is not the j slightest wish, unnecessarily to injure or op-1 press the settlers upon these lands. lam well n-vare of the hardships and inconveniences to which frontier settlers arc exposed, and every i reasonable allowance should be made for their I position. When their are no other obligations ! intervening, settlements have extended over the i public lands without inconvenience to the coun try, and without the interteience of the Gov ernment. B.ut in this case the rights of others ore concerned, and the executive is called upon to fulfil the obligations of a solemn treaty. I do not however see that the treaty, by obvious, construction, permits settlements upon any of the lands ceded, except reservations, &c. The stipulation is, that intruders shall be re moved from the ceded lands, before the country [3 survsved and the locations made; but that after these avis are done, this provision shah not operate upon that pait cf the country not included in the selections. No permission to settle is here granted. The Government did not indeed stipulate with the Indians that intruders on IjVs unlocated should be re moved, but the ordinary provisions ot the lau still apply to nil persons living upon such land, and the prescribed penalty attaches to them. Ycur excellency suggests that “encouraged fcy the treaty, by the laws of the State, and the express permission t the Government to set tle upon and o • u>v them, population has moved upon them,” &c. There is a misap prehension on this subject, which 1 trust the enclosed do ment will remove. No person has moved upon this land by the permission of the Government. Settlers without that permission have taken possession of the countrv, :nd the Government in this as in all other cases, bejng desirous of fulfilling the obligations with as little inconvenience to the citizens as possible, on the application of the members ofC ongress from Alabama and others, consented in December last, that the settlers upon the land might remain till the locations were made. This was done,as the instructions will show, upon the presumption that the coun try Would he surveyed and the locations made before it would bo time to put in another crop, und also in the belief that no inconvenience or injury would result to the Indians. In both these expectations, there has been a disap pointment. The country has indeed been surveyed, but the locations have not been, and cannot for some time be made, and the com • plaints of the Indians are assuming such a shape 03 imperatively t” call upon the Government for its interference. It becomes therefore necessary to terminate the qualified permission which has been granted to residents. Your Excellency supposes that the Marsha! with an armed force, is marking incursions amor.” the inhabitants with a view of settling disputes between them and the Indians, If the Marshal, or fte military detachment under bis orders, have assumed such an au thority, they are acting without ti.e JUStructioas of the Government, and contrary to its views. They ure stationed upon the public lands for the purpose of removing intruders. There is not an individual settled upon the ceded lands, who has the slightest legal claim to remain thoie. There is not cue who has not by the oct of settlement exposed himself not only to t forcible eviction, but to a specific penalty. There are no disputes which the Marshal is authorized to adjust. Asa matter of favor, and to prevent injury as far as possible, that officer was authorized to peimit such persons tem porarily to remain as had not injured the Indians. I'hc investigation of this fact may be necessary to the action or the Marshal, but it is an inves tigation, not to give the right of interference, but to stay proceedings which otherwise under the law and his instrur tions, mist lo had. 1 connot therefore conceive, what questions,“in their ch ‘racier stiietlv anu properly legal,” can come before the Marshal. Allow n;c to repeat, that the President is sincerely desirous of carrying the Creek treaty !o effect, with every proper attention to the i lies and feelings oi'thc Citizens of Alabama. 1 ut this disposition has been inlly manifested tn all the instructions that have Ticcn issued, and 1 cannot but hope that the piopricty of removing them from the ceded land, will be generally felt and acknowledged. Very respectfully, I am, sir votir obedient servant, ‘ LEWIS CASS. 1 lis Excellency JOHN GAYLE, Gov. of Ala. A PROCLAMATION BY THE GOVERNOR. To the citizens cf the counties the Creek Nation. The Secretary of Mar. by direction of the President fth United States, has instructed the Marshal of the Southern District of Alaba ma, to remove all white people from the ter ritory ceded by the Creek Indians, ky tho treaty of March 1532, which territory is com posed of the counties of Benton, Taladcga, Randolph. Coosa, Talapoosa, Chambers, Rus sell- M nand’’arbour. . hese counties have boon established and organized by the General Assembly, in Confor mity with the views and policy of the Federal Government, and in pursuance of the Constitu tion of this State. The Order, if executed, will result in a de struction of properly belonging to the inhab itants of these counties, to an almost incalcula ble amount, and inflict upon them other great and irreparable injuries, not less calamitous than those which would mark the invasion ofa public enemy. By virtue of this treaty, the government of the United States have assumed the right of remov ing by an armed force, not only all persons who have settled upon the public lands, but those also, who in the opinion of its agents, have com mitted trespasses upon the improvements ol the Indians, which are their private property; there by undeitakrg, without any lawful authority, an<i id violation of our common constitution, to regulate matters which belong exclusively *9 the laws and tribunals of this State. The order for the removal of the settlers, must necessarily be attended with the expul sion of our civil officers, the suppression of cur courts, and, in fact, the destruction of the State Government throughout th :se coun ties. The right of jurisdiction being admitted, the ri"ht to use the means that ire indispensable to its exercise, attaches as a necessary conse quence; and yet a military force is displayed upon our borders, to render inoperative ail the measures- which have been adopted by the state government for the extension and enfoice ment of its laws. The course which the General Government has adopted) and is now pursuing, is a pal pable and indefensible invasion of the rights of this Stale, and its tendency, utterly subversive of our free and happy form of government. There are now thirty thousand of our peo ple, alarmed at the horrors of starvation on one side, and of military execution on the other. In this hour of their afflictions, I recommend and exhort them to look with abiding and un doubting confidence to the majesty of the law. It will cover them with a shield impenetrable to the sword and bayonet. In order therefore, that “the laws may be faithfully executed,” and by virtue of the power and authority in me vested, I hereby require all civil officers in the counties aforesai ,to be attentive to the com pacts of the people, upon whom any crime or crimes may ! ie committed, or upon whom 01 whose property there may exist well founded apprehensions, that dime-, ate intended to be committed, by issuing all such warrants ami other process as may be nccecssary to bring offenders to justice, particularly such as are guilty cf murder, false imprisonment, house burning, robbery, forcible entries, and all such like heinous offences. And all good citizens are required, when duly and legally called upon, to aid and assist in the execution of all such process as may be issued by the competent authorities, and according to the laws of the land. And fur thermore, it is enjoined upon the citizens in the counties aloresaid, to yield a ready obe dience to any precept or process that may issue from the courts of the United States, or of this State; and especially to abstain from all acts of Unlawful violence towards the In dians. who being ignorant of our laws, ‘and of their should be taught to look up to tlu ir more intelligent neighbors for information and protection. Given under my hand and the seal of the Stale, at Tuscaloosa, this 7th day of October, in the year of our Lord 1833, and the 58th year of the Independence of the United States of America JOHN GAYLE By the Covet nor, James I. Thorntoh, Sec. of Slate. Old American Manufacturer 9 may rrot be generally known how long the cultivation of the mulberry tree, and the domestic manufac ture of silk to some extent, has been carried on in Massachusetts: —We find the following in the Boston Gazette for Feb. C, 17G9: “Last week a man from Waston brought to own and sold 5,140 cocaoos. cr silk balls,which the fed from only 3 mulberry trees.” At and about the period When this was writ ten, it will be recolleclad, there was a genera! disposition among the “Sons of Liberty” to cn coutage American manufactures of all sorts, to the absolute exclusion of English especially. Hence the following curiouailetn in the Gazette of October 1,1794 : “It is certain that l Yemen's shoes made of lynn do not exceed those usually imported of the make of 1. Dose of London, in strength and beauty, but not in price.-—Surely then it is ex pected the public spirited ladies of the town and province will turn their immediate attention to this branch of manufacture.” From the Yew- York Evening Star. 1 , 2 Peep in Bridewell. —The l<>ud chirping of a bcauti.h'! Gatiary Bird, so shrill as to be pain fully piercing to :l v ear, compelled me to throw down my pcn.and turn ,7?v eye to the golden wires of the cage on the piet fable, and I in stantly discovered in the sweet waiter tile bril liant twinklers of my fairy Ariel “Thou little elf—thou foolish fluttering thing,” sa id I. “thou comest in such a questionable shape—so en gaging and attractive, that I cannot write a j word while thou a r t near me—where hast thou i been—what hast thou to sav?” I opened the door of the cage, and the bird hopped out on the table, and shaking his plumage, stood bolbr< me in the shape of a cherub w ith golden hair, and eyes of azure blue.—“l’ve been to Bride well,” said he, “do give oe a mouthful of fresh air; such a place—so foul—so dungeon like U tile heart of a fashionable and busy throng—by the living Jingo (he will now and then throw out a vulgar oath,; I wish 1 had some of the fa thers of the city, or rather the step-fathers, as they should bo called, cooped for a few hours in the vaults and dungeons of that old prison, and by my wings they would soon vote for transforming that building into something which will correspond w ith the beautiful Record Office an the east wins; of the Park.” “But what in duced you t<> vU it such a place .” “You shall heai; —ln the shape of a humming bird, I was fluttering through the foliage of the tall trees in the. Park, and in winging my way near the bars of the double casements of Grid well, I heard a full toned and clear voice singing an Italian air beginning thus, “Claudio — Claudio— Jlelorno ,” <yc. The sounds’ were familiar to my car, and I entered into a small square room, where set a iood looking man, with great composure, sing ing with much taste a varity of airs. The mystery was explained. It was one of the old Italian Troupe , who intending to break his en gagement, was thrown into prison by the man ager to keep him safe until the new opera house was finished. An excellent device, thought I; but he should have sung avers of the English song beginning thus, “The bird in yonder cage confined. To arc sings notes of sorrow;” “While I was in the dismal place, I thought a little more curiosity might bo gratified, so I remained until the keeper turned the keys of several h’-avy portals, and opened them on n corridor. A good looking man with mustachoes, and on Italian face, die :sed in a white night cap and apron, passed me with a waiter, con taiuing JVfncaroni Perdrcaux ala Choux.—Gal lelte dMoulon and Pom de le ire frit I knew him at a glance; he was a professor of hmgages, who having incurred a debt of $10;000 for mak ing love to a confectioner’s wife, had while in prison,boen promoted to the offic e of Artise de Cosine, vulgarly called a cook. So, that in stead ol living on kisses, comfilurcs, and bonbons, at an honest man’s expense, he was manufac turing those very articles aux desert for those who in prison could afford to pay for such luxur ies. In another room, a stout, good looking man,with he avy red whiskers, lay on a cot, dic tating sundry letters and documents to two clerks, who were busily engaged in writing and copying. He was rough and uttcortcous, • rude in his manners, and abusive in his language, yet he once held a high office in a foreign land; •ingled with princes and nobility; had honestly earned a iargi fortune; was hmnane and be nevolent; but his nature had been soured by repeated acts of treachery, by which he had lost large sums of m<>ney; he was fleeced by friends and boon companions—driven to madness by treachery—mulcted in heavy damages for libels, and ultimately confined as a lunatic, while perfectly ‘line —a stranger in a lane Which he •nee honored, but which from repeated sufler .■•urc he now abhors. O 7 In an adjoining room sat a countryman of his,and a very different personage. He had been banker, had his town houses and country villas —his horses and hounds—his equipages and footmen —his mistress, his box at the opera— his seat at Crock ford’s—his stall at Tattersalhs his beaf-steak club—his rubber of whist, batch of Burgundy, and pipes of Madeira. His eareer had terminated in bankruptcy, ruin and elopement; and he was now in,prison, far from his home and family, for a debt due to the very man who was it fellow prisoner of his in an ad joining apartment,” “This is the world, my faithful Ariel,” said I. Vanitc.s vanilalum. Keep out of debt—keep out of law- and keep out of prison. Every comfort and happi ness are sacrificed to make appearences; and as Cosey says, “scarce has the upholsterer done knocking up, wherr in comes the auctioneer and knocks down.” The little cherub, shaking the dew from his pinions, mounted in air, and with a bewitching ; smile, wafted an adieu and winged his way to wards the west. We'shallsoon hear from him again. The Virgin JVig, —An awkward affi';',)-, which occurred to one of the Judges or, the Western 1 Circuit, at Taunton, has recen’jy been the subject of much mirth in the Terr.ple Hall. It appears that the Judici.il having finished his labours, had cast off his forer.sic wig at Ins lodgings, and relired into the next room to wait for his brother judge* whorn he was about to accompany to sonic of the local aristocracy to dinner. Ihe lemale servant 01 the house had entered the bed chamber by a side door, and, not knowing the judge was in the next room in a frolic arrayed herself in the Judge’s wig Just at this moment, w hen the fair Mopsey was Admiring herself in the looking glass, tho Judge, unexpectedly entered the apartment, and catching a sight of his stern countenance, looking just over her shoulder, in the glass, was so much alarmed that she fainted, ami would have fallen on the ground it the learned Judge impelled by humanity, had not caught her in his arms. At this critical moment, his brother Judge arrived, and op ening his dressing room door with n view to see ifhe was ready, discovered his learned brother with the fainting maid in his arms. Not wish ing to interrupt what ha thought to be an amour, he quickly attempted to withdraw, when his brother Judge vociferated “For God's sake I, ,stop and hear this matter explained.” “Never mind.” said L; “my dear brother the matter cxplaines itself, and n iett his loured brother to recover the fainting maid as he could. —London Age. The following choice document has been published in the parish of North Creoke Norfolk:— “Vtaj r,c- i)Y-cmdsfi pun tmy marriage.” “Jere iah Southgate of North Creoke,Nor folk, intends t be .itarried at Syder—stone ’hurch, on i’hursd y, before Michealmas day, and to return to North Creoke to dine. Mr. Ceeve gives a goose; Mr. Elliot a hen; Mr. Rowe a pig;and Mr. Ilenry a calf, to be toasted: Mr. Fairdotb Brett, gives one stone of flounce, and in order that the meat sho Id be well basted, Mrs Ludman, Mr Jarriotte, Mrs litte, Mrs. Sharpe, Mr. Brett, Mr Arter, Mr. Sutton, and Mrs. Palfie!d,do each give a pound of But ter: the said Jeremiah S uthgate will provide ,-very thing else suitable to the festive occasion, and hereby gives notice to all yoting women desirous of changing their rendition, that he is at iresent disengaged; and he advises them to consider that in this case delays are dangerous fl.r him, he is determined first come-, first served.” Ts? WES ‘ -5? i;UALD. AURARIA, GEORGIA, NOVEMBER 2, 1533. tap- Persons indebted to this Office, can, avail them selves ofthe payment of any of its dues, in current bills of any denomination under five dollars, or. ary of the Bunks of the State, —: Jt-Zl • ICT* The absence ofthe Editor, and a pres3 of other engagements calling attention, must be our apology for the barrenness of our Editorial columns in this days paper. The following completes, the returns for Governor, Ratification and No Ratification from all the counties. Lumpkin’s majority will be about two thousand, more or loss; perhaps som tbi ig the rise ofthis number. No Ra tification has triumphed by a majority of some six or seven thousand. The majorities for either cannot be correctly ascertained, until the official returns Shall have be on sub mitted to the Legislature—AVc shall then be able to give the result. Countie), Lumpkin Crawford . Rat, .Vo Rat, f'obb, 141 53 61 1‘25 “ccatur, 286 255 290 245 Kmanucl, 132 175 Irwin, Sl3 6 221 201 Murray, 272 253 237 268 Paulding, 58 69 45 81 /?abun, m. 375 ffandolph, 222 144 213 157 (Pare, 164 0 103 04 Alabama Controversy The litter of. the Secretary of V. nr, and the I reclamation ofGov. Gayle,will be found in our columns. “, her. ply ofGov. Gayle to the letter of the Secretary of a:,of he sth ult. is necessarily defered for want of rooiri. this subject, already one of absorb ing intcrestin Alabama—is assuming a character ofgen era! interest—it involves no less than the exercise of the civil and criminal jurisdiction—while it places at the dis cretion of a military force, the lives and interests of a large number ofthe citizens of that state. The proclamation of the Governor, breathes a spirit of moderation —yet is indicative of a high and determined purpose—and while in the hope of peaee, he is preparing for an hour of peril— he “ exhorts them to look with abiding ami undoubting confidence to the majesty of the law.” -••2K2K:— . „ . Legislative Returns. The counties of Rabun arid Paulding, complete the list contain) din pur last: in the; former, Jl/oselcy, Coffee and Kelly, and in the latter. Hub bard and M’Bride, were elected. In a moment of eonli dent expectation of such a result—we expressed the opin ion that there would I>6 a majority in favor of the Troup Paity, on joint ballot, if not in both branches of the Le gislature. This now is considered at least doubtful. The Recorder of the 23d ult. is, like ourselves, iri a state of “ betweenily,” upon this point. The following are its remarks: “We observed in our last, that the iC would be, we thought, a decided Troup legislature. From tho returns at that time received, we considered the matter deterir.jnci, \y e },ad gained so much where we sc, little expected it, and our prospects seemed s0 cheering, we could not doubt the result; bi’ t the accounts from the low country, since received, induce us to qualify our expression, ac lC ] 1 0 substitute for a decided majority, the \jo”,e that it may be so. It is somewhat ‘difficult to tell, at present, which party w l( be : ,n the majority, in the approaching legislature. All doubt, however, will very smartly be removed. - ’ j The Macon Messenger of the 24th, expresses a like uncertainty: j “From the best information we can obtain, ! we are led to believe that there will be a small | majority of submissionists in the Senate, and a small Troup majority in the House. As we are not prepared to say how some members will act, we ure undecided as to (he majority on join ballot.” The 27 Banks in Boston, having an aggre gate capital of $16,300,000, made their semi annual dividends on tho 7th ult. amounting to $496,374. j The following was among the reou!*, , !at the celebration of St. George’* , ! Quebec: 063 “England and the United States of a —may the Atlantic which rolls betwrew”’ always be a Pacifc Ocean.” (| 15,000 Wooden clocks are made in the single town of Plymouth, Conn j supposed 50,000 are made in the whole” sf One individual engaged in the business quired a fortune ols 100,000. JUonticeUo is again lor sale. p,, r ] property in Virginia will be disposed ofapi 1 er rate than the splendid seat ofJlr. J,fl- The extreme beauty of its situation, the and chaste architecture of the dwelling 1 should think, would ensure it a Purchaser” I present proprietor is Dr. Barclay, who o of the executor of Mr. Jefferson. P.-.i Compiler. More Rumors, —We have to-day arum an appointment to the Treasury Depart’ at Washington, and it refers to a distingujil Pennsylvanian, who has once filled that stti and has since acquired lame in th e world. We sp> ak of this as a rumor. We have before us a letter from Washing which is rife with notices of some strai,! misunderstanding in the general post offi. and it refers also to an early change in the ! binet.— l’hil. V. S. Gazelle. c Mr. Clay’s reception in Baltimore.Phiy. phiaand New York,has been enthusiastic. ] was to have left N. York on the TSth for p m donee, in the Steam Boat President, which t!i New Yorkers think ominous of his future de tiny. —Georgia Courier. Rail Road Conference —We learn that t| lately proposed Rail Road Conference Greensborough, assembled on Monday las! the 21st ins't. composed of Delegates front Cto Morgan, Putnam, Greene,Taliaferro and Rich rnond counties, and was organized by cab E. A. Nisbet, Esq. of Morgan county, t the Chair, and appointing a Secretary. Th result of their delibe rations was unanimous! in favor of applying to the next L gislafut! for a charter fora “Union Road,” to comment at Augusta, and extend to some conveniei point in th. country, from which to branch t in three directions, viz. to Athens, to Madiso; and to Latonton—wilh tne privilege of extern ing the Athens road to sdtne point in Tennesse tho Madison road westward!}’, to the Alaban line, and the Eatonton road to Macon and 0 lambus. A full report of the proceedings,* understand, was ordered to be prepaied by th Secretary, and published; we therefore on giving any further details at present. Tt Conference adjourned on Tuesday. Tht i most harmony pi e Vailed; and all or most i the resolutions passed, were adopted unan rnously.— .South. Banner. THE ELECTIONS.—As the returnsofii votes for Governor arc net allowed by law tot opened till the Legislature is in session, shall wait till then, lor the official list, befe we publish the full vote ft-ohi each county, ft future reference. The list of counties too wi then be complete.—For pr< sent infoiiMtit we continue the majorities given in the sever counties as far as we have yet obtained then Seven eounties Emanuel Irwin-, Marion, lit bun, Randolph, Union and JVarc, had not, wilt this paper went to press, been heard from c the Governor’s election. From the same, it also one other, Appling, no returns have teat: ed us as to the vote on Ratification. Governor Lumpkin has a majority thus ft by our calculation, ot 1,562. And No Eatii cation, of 5,739. These elections are ascertained bcvoi doubt; for the Sew remaining counties casu materially diminish, and probably willsotaess increase the majorities in both cases. M . Lumpkin is, therefore, to administer tl government lot- the next two years. The part opposed to him has eve r given him a genera support in every mea sure lie has proposed. at in every position he has assumed that conduct to the well being oV the State as such, andofil rights ol her citizens ; and we doubt not & will do it again ; that preferring the public get to all subordinate considerations, they oppoi him no further nor longer, than thers is a pro; pect of promoting it. We recur with pride I the hearty good will,—we had almost said t unanimity, with which tho republican party,re gardlc? $ >f all miner motives, stood by l* when the first news ot the proceedings of ‘ 1 Suy.rctne Court came upon us ; and we compare that support with the opposition i uung upon the skirts of Troup, on a very ® ilar occasion. But we lcel no disposition j recur to those events now. Let hri E#® leucy start fair in his second term ol office, ft, out prejudice from the past, and have as at a field as possible to serve the State in I™ 1” While we rogret the result of the election j Chief Magistrate, in which the high inte.c* ” the commonwealth are, as we conceive, dew-’ or deferred for a season ; we hokl out the of heartfelt congratulation to our fellow ciliz - that the State is saved from the lasting* that threatened her in the ill omened Convert project. We should indeed be dead to v feeling that becomes us as men and c| *’ viewing it ns we do, if we did not exult a event. We do exult, not with a vindictive temperate spirit, but with a deep, cal in, | joy, at this recent rescue of our d *. , i institutions. The. small share we have _ this good work, we shall always look bar’ ’ with that highest sublunary pleasure, a sc - perfect self approval. The republican P' J the State, and the presses through wine ; spoke, were true to themselves at They grappled the giant and his forces, t ment he set his foot abroad. “ Ricbmo ready with his successive battalions. . win,” himself a host, brought up his “ e ® v med legions. The “ Corn Planter abroad in the panoply of actual „ j, and even father “ Luke” and “Ttu . named) and “ Monroe,” and many 0 , got their case, whenthoir country nec