Atlanta Georgian. (Atlanta, Ga.) 1912-1939, November 20, 1912, EXTRA, Image 6

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Newspaper Page TextGEOKBAN ®OW ©OTW * DMOT LDITLD W. S FARNSWORTH idreds of Atlantans Going Athens for Georgia-Auburn Contest on Thanksgiving Day j*ercy 11. Whiting. S of Atlanta, apparent© i ■'Fing down to Atl ens fm tie ©burn - Georgia gain' >n i Jiving day. N"t in > ■ ’ S WeMensive plans !•••• n &H#Uiy people fol a trip to WyftlJ game. Os emnse. a l"t tjile will go t" Birmingham A.j' { y to see Vanderbilt and Au i, ©tie for the championship of '*th. But they will not stack ' |siything bigger than a l-...nu sr f; \pared with the inch that iylre over on the fair and elas jj of Athens on Tliank-giv- A; An excursion train will B®|' jt is reported, and it will andreds of people. turse, there will be plenty 5 All the Ponce DeLeon stands * tfllmit. A goodly buneii of I. d-brefer to eat their Thanks- fdinners at home, and these -satisfied with the Clemson Hflterlng a tidy game, by the iym all present indications. ‘ wagering on the (leorgia urti game Is urprisingly live ly 1 the odds thus far all seem . jjven. It’s a tough game to ■MjtAnhum and Georgia start'd 11" Jit even terms. Both had rjt of material, much of it *■■‘*BB. Both have played some E igames this year—and some M Sappolnting. games. They are iy equal in weight am'. « h. Both are excellently J. The Georgia team has its ,-ought to top-noth condition i Jonce early in the season for Hbllt, and again last Saturday K|ich It isn’t reasonable to ffjls that the Athenians can be Sfta edge until Thanksgiving 'i’i'jßut Auburn is in no better line Alabama Polys have hud ' ie aim in life this year, and as to beat Vanderbilt They put the supreme test * lay at Birmingham. It is fcßima’i nature for the men to Knpieces after the Vanderbilt |lhe couple of seasons the -? jk-'Auburn game Ims been an MKin affair, for the very ren jjyt it hasn't meant much. Tills tils different. The game means gaping. It will doubtles settle H ‘ jestion of second place rank- Stjpie South. For that reason, tepealns will go into it to do S Ibest —something that they it|t!Hdn’t do when they met in a MBepressing game last fall at r- ’ * * Hwvith regret that football men fW an attempt at a revival in J ! >uth of football games bi ff teams made up of college * all-star brand of football, I hletic club stuff, has been jpnd found wanting so often hffe wonder that even t'hatta stands for it. feff'e are two excellen .reasons fH.nen woh have left college i'ln’t play football. jMhe first place, as an exhibi p’Af football it is a joke. An ■fir team .might be made up of HdEckersalls. McGugins and the KmSach ntan Would know whole ! ■ full of football But they ft. B’t take the trouble to learn. K| « youeVer seen one of these h ,r football teams in action'.' H ten antic around like a lot of ■'id bears. - yThey usually know Ret three plays, but th' > can't H bsse <fff. They fall over one ■jar's feet. Half the team starts nay und half the other on I way. Nobody knows the sig il isThere isn't any team play. ■ I isn't any snap. There isn't K pienee. Lt's Just a case of a huskies rolling around the b- or an afternoon. They ar< ■Flu condition. Th<y tir. out Bten minutes of plat mill >ta'l Mil the whole afternoon ■fn there’s the other side "t .' Bthe more serious side, so: the I’r Is. used to being bunid. gfeic.club football is dangerous l/t Criminally dangerous ■Be*e men skin through all «Aj»beeause they ate hardened fl “st by light training, then by K training, then by steady imaging until they can stand ■J s and bumps which would kill «jtdlnary man, even if he had i football player one.'. .La lot of men, softened by ...its or years of inactive life, game, and thei' lives r MARTIN MAY i 9% PEACHTREE STREET UPSTAIRS ; ’CTLY CONFIDENTIAL REDEEMED PLEDGES y FOR SALE are in danger. They are in no con dition to play golf or tennis —and vastly le-s. therefore, to play foot ball. Football among untrained and unconditioned men is suicide and murder combined. They tried out this athletic club football in the East and discarded it—as foolish and dangerous. They tried it in the middle West, under the guise of all-star football, with all the celebrities in the games, paid fabulous salaries for their serv ices. It lasted a couple of years. Then the promoters found out the public wouldn’t stand for it, and that the players wouldn’t go into it. Then they passed it up. And. now, when all the world is wise to the bunk of it, it isn’t sur prising that Chattanooga should become wildly enthusiastic over it. But it is to be. hoped that Atlanta will be spared. Atlanta is a little too wise for that bunk. The Gate City has put the kibosh on shell games, green goods propositions, wrestling, and similar swindles. It is hardly likely It will fall for all star football. ■ .......... z wk . A\\ • / % r —k ■ A A A F ° Wk ■p V > Here is Gilbert Cheeres, the best distance runner around W these parjs. I'he camera snapped just as Cheeres took turn at lull speed. Coach Bean is confident he has the winner of the big event in this boy. Stein Stone and Bob Blake Help Commodores Train for Auburn Game OLD-TIME (iRIDIRON STARS RUSH TO VANDf’S AID Nashville, tenn., Nov. 20. Alive to the danger that confronts Vanderbilt, sev eral old-time stars came out to render assistance in developing the men for the Auburn game. Stein Stone imparted his valu able knowledge to the linesmen, especially to Shipp, who. while a terror at breaking through the line, often fails to land his man. Under Stone's training this fault should be corrected, for Shipp Is quick to learn. Bob Blake took personal charge of Peck Turner and Yunk Chester and put them through a hard drill in end plays. Dr. Manjer, who is Impressed with the wonderful im portance of blocking tacklers, gave the team a lettuce which, if carried out by the linesmen, should furnish some brilliant interference Satur day for the dashing Commodore backs. Same Situation in 1909. It is a singular coincidence that Vanderbilt faces now a situation identical with that of 1909 when thej ridiculed the fear of a defeat bv Sewanee and traveled to St. Louis for a battle with Washing ton university, only four days be fore the Tiger came down from his mountain lair. True they easily disposed of Washington and came home with only minor injuries. But when Thanksgiving day thrived the team had gone sthle. Some folks call this thing of go ing stale a myth. They say it is 99 per eent pure "bunk." According to them, tile best team wins, which is not always the care. Call it McGUGIN SENDS FOR YOST TO HELP COACH N'ASHVIL!.!■:, TENN., Nov. 20.—50 u»> u-\ has Coach Ihm McGugin be come over the Auburn-Vanderbilt game, followed as it is so closely by ted hard struggle with S"- waiiefh that he hits summoned his la. -j n .i inv Hurryup Fielding Yost, igan* coach, to cotne to N tsh ' ill< and help put the final touches on the Commodore team. ■ Yost has replied that he will arrive I m Nashville tomorrow and his assis tance should prove of great value to the eleven. . S< :d n> in Vanderbilt’s history has a I situation presented itself which the - considered so desperate. To- 1 night McGugin in a statement said that lie was not very confident that Vander bilt would win from Auburn. MEMPHIS BOXERS LOSE IN BOUTS AT ST. LOUIS ST. LOt IS. Alii., Nov 20. Harry Tren da'.i. i this city, and .Joe Sherman, of Memphis. Tenn , boxed eight rxunos at the St. Louis Athletic club last night, the former winning the deeisb n on points Benny McGovern, of St Louis, and Bob by Robldeau, of Memphis ,<ls . b. xed eight 1 rounds, the former gettii g fie ■ ectslon i THE ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND XFWS WEDNESDAY. NOVEMBER 20, 1912. I ’ Two of Joe Bean’s Crack Marist Road Race Boys ' \ C‘ ‘ C \ . / \aLiWr w / \\\ whatever you please, Vanderbilt might just as well have had eleven uniforms stuffed with hay in 1909 on Turkey 'lay. They simply had not had time to “<-ome back’’ ami the Jungletown team took advan tage of their opportunity. There is a fear, and that fear lias a strong heart action and steady pulse, that the same sort of thing is going to Imppen this year. Not only are the men likely to be off color, but tiw fierceness of the Au burn attack is apt to put many back in the hospital squad and four days Is entirely too short a time for even old Doc M.inier to apply his healing salves in. Manier Watched Big Game. Manier wrote copious notes while in the grandstand at the Sewanee- Alabama game ami came home with th'' discouraging news that Sewanee looks to lie just toundlng into form. Coupled with that, the Tiger always, for some reason or | other, puts up a game against the Commodore thtit Is about 900 per cent better than <my other rival sees, in a word, the situation is desperate, ami requires desperate means, which is exactly the sort of treatment that McGugln will apply. It goes without saying that every one of Donahue's men will be lay ing for the brilliant Hardage. There rankles In I.ewie's heart a fester ing sore over his expulsion from Auburn. There is a bitter hatred in his breast and that bitterness is returned by Aului'n and to excess. It is his fondest dream to fairly run over all of the eleven men that shall oppes ' him. It would be PIRATES. DODGERS AND REDS WANT BRESNAHAN si. lad IS. Nov 20. Roger Bresna han is dickering with three chibs in the National league for a Job for next season The Pittsburg Pirates, the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Cincinnati Reds are the teams with which he has been flirting. Bresnahan will not go to Cincinnati if Tinker Is to be manager. In fact If he goes, he will ask the berth for himself. The former boss of tn P Cardinals savs he has had offers from the three, but has > not decided on any of them as yet TRIPLE TIE MAY COME IN BILLIARD TOURNEY NEW YORK. Nov. 20. Willie Hoppe, with five victories and one defeat and Ora Morningstar, with four victor and two defeats, meet tonight in the eon eluding scheduled game of the 18.2 balk line billiard tournament for the cham pionship of the world. Victory for Hoppe will give hint the championship. Il Morningstar wins it will cause a triple tie involving Hoppe. Morningstar and Sloss m. Vam.tda. the Japanese, defeated Taylor I ■-■t nigh t 500 • to 27.". Slesson won over Cline 500 to i 306 and i'emarest by a score of 500 to i 160 defeated Sutton. sweet revenge could he single hamled administer defeat to his former coach's team. < I * y Jr I ■ « >’"• ■ -y/ iflr f ’ 7 Nt w •' x x , hvi ry years as ■‘Turkey Day” rolls around the eyes of the Prep School athletes turn to ward the big road race held under the auspices of the Prep School athletic committee. This long distance run is about three and a quarter miles, and is usually run from the junction of Ivy and Peachtree streets out Peachtree road and back. For the past three years Marist College has won this affair hands down, but the other schools say that this time the cadets will have to go some to win the laurels. Ty Cobb Has Chance to Beat ff Flying Dutchman's” Great Batting Record HANS WAIiNER HAS HIT OVER .3011 FOR 16 YEARS By Harry (Baser. fTNYKI’S COBB, who this year | leads the American league batsmen for the sixth year in succession, lias an excellent chance of nt least equalling the g:eat record made by Hans Wag ner, who has led the National league batters eight times since lie joined the Louisville clul/ in 1897. In 1911 Wagner finished behind Kirke and Jackson, of Bostbn, who took part in 20 and 39 games, re spectively. but was given tfie credit of being the real batting champion. But W agner has established an other record that many baseball men think will stand forever. He has Just finished his sixteenth con secutive season as a .300 per cent batter tn the major leagues. Un official averages for 1912 give Wag ner .326 per cent. The official fig ure’s will not vary many points. Pop Anson, of the old < 'hlcago White Sox. batted .300 per cent for Ufteen consecutive years, and held Dreyfuss Would Land Both Chance and Bresnahan d-«a* Too Many Stars Often a Detrimentto Ball Team By W. J. Mcßeth. Barney dreyfuss is not going to let that world’s se ries bundle of coin get past him in hustling for a winning team, and the free and liberal expenditure of money will secure him the big prize and the players he has made up his mind to get. Ba -ney wants Roger Bresnahan, and 't looks now as if he will out bid sny other dub owner for the servi ’es of the peppery Irishman. Barm y had in view "at one time, This photo shows Frank Harrison practising a leap over a fallen runner. Harrison is one of Bean's best men. /;; 'A ’MP : ' "St 4 ?'A k ... B ' SHF* \\ / ML • W» K ZP<, > / 9t' wSf MCVt) W / WK ' ij-, «K>- Z yf w / -< ? V JMUk /. K •m- i ''JI ® z>W \ JJ- S / ‘ \ W I c-UYzl •' \ 9 f f \ «S 3 - \f \ \ ss J \\ 9 JHMI / \'' I '\ \ '* z -J * ✓ *> ® ( XL. MR. 7 <O\ ’ _ » ' \ jATsIS : HANS WAGNER’S : : BATTING RECORD J for 16 seasons: s Year. G. AB. R. H. SB. Ave. • • 1897.. 61 -41 38 S 3 22 .244 • • 1898.. 148 591 89 180 25 .305 • • 1899.. 144 549 102 197 36 .385 • • 1900.. 134 528 107 201 36 .380 • • 1901.. 141 556 100 196 48 .352 • • 1902.. 137 538 105 177 43 .329 • • 1903.. 120 512 97 182 46 .355 • • 1904.. 132 490 97 171 55 .349 • • 1905.. 147 548 114 199 57 .363 • • 1906. 40 16 103 175 53 .339 • • 1907.. 142 515 98 180 61 .350 • • 1908.. 151 568 100 201 53 .354 • . • 1909.. 137 495 92 168 35 .339 • » 1910.. 150 556 90 178 24 .320 • • 1911. . 180 173 87 158 20 334 • I • 1912. 146 562 95 26 .326 • • Tot’lß'2l69 8238 1502 2849 638 .342 • ; • Wagner played three years at • ; • Louisville and thirteen at Pitts- • | • burg. • •••••••••••••••••••••••••a the record Wagner has just smashed. Only seven players besides Wag- too, *o corral Frank Chance, but the 1: tter’s reported demand for a s2Q,oo'> salary, with a possible bo nus of like proportions, puts an al most prohibitive price on the “Peer less I. ’ader,” and that doubtless has tend’d to dampen Barney’s ardor for the ex-Cub manager. It is a question whether an all star aggregation, such as the Pi rates’ owner has in mind, would prove to be the winner that lie an ticipates. Baseball history has demonstrated that the all-star teams of the past often proved to ner have batted .300 or better for ten or more years in succession in the last 30 years. Hundreds have played the game in that time. An son batted .300 fifteen consecutive years; Dan Brouthers. fourteen; Willie Keeler, thirteen; Ed Dele hanty- and Joe Kelly, eleven each; Hugh Duffy, Jesse Burkett and Na poleon Lajoie, ten years each. Before Wagner entered the Na tional league he led the Atlantic league, batting .379 with the Pat erson (N. J.) club in 1896. Count ing his first season, played outside the majors, he has batted over .300 seventeen consecutive years. Wagner's smallest average was .305, in 1898. with Louisville. His best average was .380 in 1900, the fii st year he played at Pittsburg. Wagner has played in 2.169 ma jor league games. He has been at bat 8.238 times, made 2,849 hits, scored 1,502 runs and stolen 638 bases. The Flying Dutchman has aver aged .342 for each of his sixteen years in the majors. Ty Cobb has batted over .300 each of seven years he has been in the big leagues. be horrible misfits and woefully failed to come up to expectations. There is such a thing now as hav ing too many headliners on one team. It would be a difficult mat ter to mold them into a concerted whole —a machine unit. Might Create Jealousy. ' With two successful managers as players, subh as Chance and Bres nahan, and led, too, by just as successful a leader as either, in Fred Clarke, the chances would be grave that the class of team work so necessary for a winner in this period of scientific baseball would be sadly disarranged by the jeal ousy of the top-notchers. Any man who has been a mana ger and reduced to the ranks, even if the shift was accompanied by a big salary, would naturally occa sion a certain feeling of depression and grouchiness that would cause a resentment at being ordered to do this and that, particularly when such orders might conflict with the ex-manager’s ideas. The experi ment would be a dangerous one, es pecially with a fiery and excitable player such as Bresnahan, who has tasted the sweets of .exclusive au thority and enjoyed the privileges of supreme command. But still such a team as Dreyfuss has in view would surely be a big drawing card and would always be a dangerous competitor, and con sidering all the emoluments that* now accrue to a winner of a league championship and the additional perquisites of money, glory and honor that follow a world’s series victor, it might be worth while to try the experiment that Dreyfuss is so hot-foot to see carried through. Much Depends on Manager. With managers of the class of Bresnahan and Chance in such big demand, it would seem to be a pity if both those great leaders should be tied up on one team. And why are managers of the caliber of Bresnahan and Chance in such demand? It is simply be cause John J. McGraw has proved it to be possible that a manager by his own personality and individ ual efforts, can mold a mediocre team into champions, McGraw has shown that a manager is more than half a team. It is conceded by the Giants themselves that they would be lucky to finish in the first di vision If they did not have Me- Graw to lead them. Ciub owners have the idea in con sequence of McGraw's reputation and record that there are more McGraws, and the present scram ble to secure a possible one is the result But the club owners mwst take into account that McGraw h as been entirely unhampered by his employer, and without the absolute authority to conduct his team as he sees fit the chances are that he would not have been as uniformly successful as he has. McGraw has lasted, and so have the Giants, just because President Brush has had sense enough to ap preciate that his manager know* more about baseball and how to run a team than he does himself, and has kept his hands off. Brush Butted in Only Once. The only time that Mr. Brush even made a suggestion to McGraw’ about running his team was when Rube Marquard was purchased from the Indianapolis club and had reported to McGraw at the tail end of the season. The reputation given Rube by the SII,OOO paid for him and his big record with the Hoosier club had aroused the interest of New York fans to a high pitch, and they made an urgent request that the new wonder should "show” at the Polo Grounds. It was McGraw’s intention to have Marquard sit on the bench the • balance of the season and get an idea of big league baseball by look ing at the games. But President Brush became insistent that the public's demand should be granted, and McGraw, with many misgiv ings and predictions of danger, finally consented to put the Rube In. The consequence was that the SII,OOO beauty was knocked out of the box and degenerated into the notorious "lemon” that he was for more than a year after his unfortu nate debut. The Giants lost the use of his services virtually until the season of 1911, and the SII,OOO paid for him looked like thirty cents as far as the New York clulr was concerned. But that was not the worst dam age done. The Giants, by losing that one game, also lost the cham pionship, for they were beaten out that year by a single game by the Cubs. . DUNDEE WHIPS CONLEY: MAY MEET KILBANE NEXT LOS ANGELES. Nov. 20.—Johnny Dun dee, the New York featherweight, is being considered as an opponent for Johnny Kilbane irt a championship fight New Year’s day following his victory last nigh over b rankle Conley, The New York lad led all the way an< stopped Conley in the nineteenth ronr< I with a blow to the jaw that floored hi $ opponent. When Conley got t<> his fe» i he was so dazed he could not raise hi • arms to protect himself. Referee E>to stopped the go.