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12 MS COW® f W ] - I Hundreds of Atlantans Going To Athens for Georgia-Auburn Contest on Thanksgiving Day By Perc\ IL Whiting. HALF of Atlanta, apparently. is going down to Athens for the Auburn - Georgia game on Thanksgiving day. Not in years have as extensive plans been made by as many people sot .1 trip to see a football game. Os course, a lot of people will go to Birmingham Saturday to see Vanderbilt and Au burn battle for the championship of the South. But they will not stack up as anything bigger than 1 hand ful compared with the mob that will move over on the fair and elas si. city of Athene; on Thanksgiv ing day An excursion train will be run, it is reported, and it will carry hundreds of peoj !■. Os course, there will be plenty left to fill the Ponce DeLeon stands to the limit. A goodly bunch of people prefer to eat their Thanks giving dinners at home, and these will be satisfied with the Clemson- Tech offering -a tidy g. me. by the wav. from all present indications. I> » ♦ -p HE wagering on tie- >rgia- * Auburn game is urprlslngl; live ly—and the odds thus far all s.em about even. It's a tough game t< dope. Auburn and Georgia starteu on about even Vims. Both had slathers of material, much ol it first-class. Both, have played some grand gam. tlii - year and sum* very disappointing games. They are tolerably **iua' in weight tied strength. Bota tr< <x. cllently coached The Georgia team bm been brought to top-noth condition twice- once early in the season foi Vanderbilt, and again last Saturday for Tech. It isn't reasonable to suppose that the Athenians can be kept on edge until Thanksgiving day. But Auburn Is in no better fix. The Alabama Polys have had but one aim in life this year, ami that was to beat Vanderbilt. They will be put to the supreme test Saturday at Birmingham. It is only human nature for the men to go to pieces after the Vanderbilt game. For the last couple of seasons the Georgia-Auburn game lias been an uncertain affair, for the very rea son that it hasn't meant much. This year it is different. The gam.' means everything It will doubtles settle the question of second place rank ing in the South. For that reason, both teams will go into it to do their best —something that they surely didn’t do when they’ met in a most depressing game last fall at Savannah. 1 T is with regret th it football men * note an attempt at a revival In the South of football games be tween teams made up of graduates. This all-star brand of football, this athletic club stuff, has been tried and found wanting so often that we- wonder that even Chatta nooga stands for it. There are two excellen reasons why men woh have left collego shouldn't play football. In the first place, as an exhibi tion of football it is a join An all-star team might be made up of Coys, Eckersalls. McGugins and the like. Each man would know whole books full of football. But they wouldn't take the trouble to learn team play Have you ever seen one of these all-star football teams in action? The men antic around like a lot of trained bears. • They usually know at least three plays, but they can't pull these off. They fall over one another's feet. Half the team starts one way and half the other on every play . Nobody knows the sig nals. There isn't any team play. • There isn’t any snap. There isn’t any science. It's Just a case <jf a lot of huskies rolling around the field for an afternoon. They are never in condition. They tire out after ten minutes of play and stall the rest of tin time. Then there's the other side of it -and the more serious side, for the public is used to being bunked. Athletic club football is dangerous almost criminally dangerous. College men skin through all right because they are hardened up. first by light training, then by hard training, then by steady scrimmaging until they can stand knocks and bumps which would kill an ordinary man, even if he had been a football player one* . Put a lot of men, softened by months or years of inactive life, into a football game, and their lives MARTIN MAY X* ' 19% PEACHTREE STREET UPSTAIRS STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL UNREDEEMED PLEDGES > FOR SALE X are in danger. They ait in no con dition to play golf or tennis—and vastly less, therefore, to play foot- | ball. Football among untrained and unconditioned men is suicide and murder combined. They tried out this athjptic club football in the East and discarded it—as foolish and dangerous. They tried it in the middle West, under the guise of all-star football, with all the celebrities in the games, paid fabulous salaries for their serv ices. It lasted a eouj I'- of y ears. Then the promoter.' ><>und out the public wouldn't stand for it, and that the players wouldn’t go Into It. Then they passed it. up. And now. when all tin world Is wise t<> the bunk of it. it isn’t sur prising that < 'hattanooga should become wildly enthusiastic over it. But it is to be hoped that Atlanta z will b, spared. Atlanta a little too wise lot that bunk. Tin Gate City lias put tile kibosh oti shell games, green goods propositions, wrestling, ami similar swindles. It is hardly likely it will fall for all star football. ' * * i m 1 VW*** f\ aJi ’ tsMKk ’ pww I \ ) W. 1 Here is Gilbert Cheeves, the best distance runner around these parts. The camera snapped just as I‘heeves took a turn at full speed. Coach Bean is confident he has the winner of the big event in this boy. Young Cheeves is expected by his friends to develop into the world's greatest distance runner within a few years. Stein Stone and Bob Blake Help Commodores Train for Auburn Game OLD-TIME GRIDIRON STAgS RUSH TO VANDY’S AID TENN., Nov. 20. Alive to the danger that confronts Vanderbilt, sev eral old-time stars came out to render assistance in developing the men for the Auburn game. Stein Stone imparted his valu able knowledge to the linesmen, especially to Shipp, who. while a terror at breaking through the line, often fails to land his man. Ender Stone’s training this fault should be corrected, for Shipp is quick to learn. Bob Blake took personal charge of Peek’ Turner and Yunk Chester and put them through a hard drill in end plays. Dr. Manjer, who is impressed with the wonderful Im portance of blocking tacklers, gave I the team a lecture which. If carried out by the linesmen, should furnish some brilliant -interference Satur day- fur the dashing Commodore backs. Same Situation in 1909. It is a singular coincidence that Vanderbilt faces now a situation identical with that of 1909 when they- ridiculed the fear of a defeat by Sewanee and traveled to St. Louis for a battle with Washing ton university, only- four day’s be fore the Tiger came down from his mountain lair. True they easily disposed of Washington and came home with only minor injuries. But when Thanksgiving day arrived the team had gone stale. Some folks cal! this thing of go ing stal” a myth. They say it is 99 per cent pure "bunk.” According to them, the best team wins, which PIRATES. DODGERS AND REDS WANT BRESNAHAN ST 1.0 l IS, Nov 20. -Roger Bresna han is dickering with three clubs in the National league tor u job for next season. The Pittsburg Pirates, the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Cincinnati Reds are the I teams with which he has been flirting. Bresnahan will not go to Cincinnati If I Tinker Is to be manager. In fact if he • goes, he will ask the berth for himself. | The former buss of the Cardinals says i he has had offers from the three, but has hot decided on any of them as yet. CATARRH!' > ; BLADDER <; Relieved in ; ' ’ xl7lllwF 24 H ours' > F-ivh Cap- x—x ’ • ,i> >l'* (MI DY) < “*“'***“ v_> , I > Beira’* o/counlerMta i THE ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NEWS. WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1912. ■ Two of Joe Bean’s Crack Maristßoad Race Boys I "W .A Mr fW •’WRsSHHr > i i nw- is not always the case, ('all It whatever you please, Vanderbilt might just as well have had eleven uniforms stuffed with hay in 1909 on Turkey day. They simply had not had time to “come back" and the Jungletown team took advan tage of their opportunity. There is a fear, and that fear has a strong heart action and steady pulse, that the same sort of thing is going to happen this year. Not only are the men likely to be off color, but the fierceness of the Au burn attack Is apt to put many back in the hospital squad and four days is entirely too short a time for even old Doc Manter to apply his healing salves in. Manier Watched Biq Game. Manier wrote copious notes while in the grandstand at the Sewanee- Alabama game and came home with the discouraging news that Sewanee looks to be just rounding into form. Coupled with that, the Tiger always, for some reason or other, puts up a game against the Commodore that is about 900 per eent better than any other rival sees. In a word, the situation is desperate, and requires desperate means, which is exactly the sort of treatment that McGugin will apply. It goes without saying that every one of Donahue’s men will be lay ing tor the brilliant Hardage. There rankles in Lewie’s heart a fester ing sore over his expulsion from Auburn. There is a bitter hatred tn his breast and that bitterness is returned by Auburn and to excess. It is his fondest dream to fairly McGUGIN SENDS FOR YOST TO HELP COACH NASHVILLE. TENN., Nov. 20. -So uneasy has Coach Pan McGugin be come over the Auburn-Vanderbilt game, followed as it is so closely by an anticipated hard struggle with Se wanee, that he has summoned his brother-in-law, Hurryup Fielding Yost, the Michigan coach, to come to Nash ville and help put the final touches on the Commodore team. Yost has replied that he will arrive in Nashville tomorrow and his assis tance should prove of great value to the eleven. Seldom In Vanderbilt's history has a {situation presented itself which the I coaches considered so desperate. To i night McGugin in a statement said that ' lie was not very confident that Vander ! bilt would win from Auburn. MEMPHIS BOXERS LOSE IN BOUTS AT ST. LOUIS i ST. LOVIS, Mo.. Nov. 20 Harry Tren dall. of this city, and Joe Sherman, of . Memphis, Tenn . boxed eight rounds at the St. Louis Athletic club last night, the former winning the decision on points. Benny McGovern, of St. Louis. and Bob by Robideau, of Memphis, also boxed eight rounds, the former getting the decision. run over nil of the eleven men that shall oppose him. It would be sweet revenge could he single handed administer defeat to his former coach’s team. < .sex, \ / » •*- — : < 1 /,:< JF .1 — ■■ ■ I . / Hr -a / • Every years as ‘‘Turkey Day” rolls around the eyes oi me Prep School athletes turn to ward the big road race held under the auspices of the Prep School athletic committee. This lon<* distance run is about three and a quarter miles, and is usually run from the junction of Ivy and Peachtree streets out Peachtree road and back. For the past three years Marist College has won this affair hands down, but the other schools say that this time the cadets will have to uo some to win the laurels. s 8 Ty Cobb Has Chance to Beat ,f Hying Dutchman’s" Great Batting Record HANS WAGNER HAS HIT OVER JO# FOR 16 YEARS By Hairy Glaser. rpYRUS COBB, who this year ! leads the American league . batsmen for the sixth year in succession, has an excellent chance of at ’.east equalling the great record made by Hans Wag ner. who has led the National league batters eight times since he joined the Louisville club, in 1897. In 1911 Wagner finished behind Klrke and Jackson, of Boston, who took part in 20 and 39 games, re spectively, but was given the credit of being the real batting champion. But Wagner has established an other record that many baseball men think will stand forever. He has just finished his sixteenth con secutive season as a .300 per cent batter in the major leagues. Un official averages for 1912 give Wag ner ,J 26 per cent. The official fig ures will not vary many points. Pop Anson, of the old Chicago White Sox, batted .300 per cent for Dreyfuss Would Land Both Chance and Bresnahan Too Many Stars Often a Detriment to Ball Team By W. J. Mcßeth. Barney dreyfuss is not going to let that world’s se ries bundle of coin get past him in hustling for a winning team, and the free and liberal expenditure of money will secure him the big prize and the players he has made up his mind to get. Barney wants Roger Bresnahan, and ?t looks now’ as If he will out bid any other club owner’for the services of the peppery- Irishman. Barm y- had in view at one time. This photo shows Frank Harrison practising a leap over a fallen runner. Harrison is one of Bean's best men. - - JlWVollk > ■ Z In \ ok v jb ' cnA ' W'' >; ■ : al/ I 5 /fl Ib* ■ ■ f \ 1 \ \ W -.9 / Y \ \ < W jhh[ / \ I \ \ \ ' a i X. / /X •••••••••••••••••••••••••a • HANS WAGNER'S : J BATTING RECORD : : for 16 seasons: • Year. G. AB. R. H. SB. Ave. • • 1897. 61 241 38 83 22 .244 • • 1898.. 148 591 89 180 25 .305 • • 1899.. 144 549 102 197 36 .385 • • 1900.. 134 528 107 201 36 .380 • • 1901.. 141 556 100 196 4s 352 • • 1902.. 137 538 105 177 43 .329 • • 1903.. 120 512 97 182 46 .355 • • 1904.. 132 490 97 171 55 .349 • • 1905.. 147 548 114 199 57 .363 • • 1906.. 140 516 103 175 53 .339 • • 1907.. 142 515 98 180 61 .350 • • 1908.. 151 568 100 201 53 .354 • • 1909.. 137 495 92 16S 35 .339 • • 1910.. 150 556 90 178 24 320 • • 1911. . 130 473 87 158 20 .334 e • 1912.. 146 562 92 183 26 .326 • • T0t’15.2169 8238 1502 2849 638 .342 • • ee years at * • Louisville ami thirteen at Pitts- • • burg. « fifteen consecutive years, and held the record Wagner has just smashed. Only seven piayeis besides Wag- too. to corral Frank Chance, but the li .tter’s reported demand for a s2o,©O') salary, with a possible bo nus os’ like proportions, puts an al most prohibitive price on the “Peer less L -ider,” and that doubtless has tend’d to dampen Barney’s ardor for the ex-Cub manager. It is a question whether an all star aggregation, such as the Pi rates’ owner has in mind, would prove to be the winner that he an ticipates. Baseball history has demonstrated that the all-star teams of the past often proved to ner have batted .300 or better for ten or more years in succession in the last 30 years. Hundreds have played the game in that time. An son batted .300 fifteen consecutive years; Dan Brouthers. fourteen; Willie Keeler, thirteen; Ed Dele hanty and Joe Kelly, eleven each: Hugh Duffy, Jesse Burkett and Nal poleon Lajole, ten years each. Before Wagner entered the Na tional league he led the Atlantic league, batting .379 with the Pat erson (N. J.) club in 1896. Count-' Ing his first season, played outside the majors, he has batted over .300 seventeen consecutive years. • Wagner’s smallest average was .305. in 1898, with Louisville. His best average was .380 In 1900, the first year he played at Pittsburg. Wagner has played In 2.169 ma jor league games. He has been at bat 8.23 S times, made 2,849 hits, scored 1,502 runs and stolen 638 bases. The Elying Dutchman has aver aged .342 for each of his sixteen years in the majors. Ty Cobb has batted over .300 each of Seven years he has been in the big leagues. be horrible misfits and woefully failed to come up to expectations There is such a thing now as ing too many headliners on „ ne team. It would be a difficult mat. ter to mold them into a concert’d whole —a machine unit. Might Create Jealousy With two successful managers as players, such as Chance and Bres nahan, and led. too, by just a j successful a leader as either j n Fred Clarke, the chances would ba grave that the class of team work so necessary for a winner in this period of scientific baseball would be sadly disarranged by the jeal ousy of the top-notchers. Any man who has .been a mana ger and reduced to the ranks, even If the shift was accompanied by a big salary, would naturally occa sion a certain feeling of depression and grouchiness that would cause a. resentment at being ordered to do this and that, particularly when such orders might conflict with the ex-manager's ideas. The experi ment would be a dangerous one eS pecially with a fiery and excitable player such as Bresnahan who has tasted the sweets of exclusive au thority and enjoyed the privilege-, i of supreme command. But still such a team as Dreyfus, has in view would surely be a big drawing card and would always be a dangerous competitor, and con sidering all the emoluments that now accrue to a winner of a league championship and the additional perquisites of money, glory and honor that follow a world's series victor, it might be worth while to try the experiment that Dreyfuss is so hot-foot to see carried through. Much Depends on Manager. With managers of the class of Bresnahan and Chance In such big demand, it would seem to be a. Pity If both those great leaders should be tied up on one team. And why are managers of the caliber of Bresnahan and Chance in such demand? It is simply be cause John J. McGraw has proved it to be possible that a manager, by his own personality and individ ual efforts, can mold a mediocre team Into champions. McGraw has shown that a manager is more than half a team. It is conceded by the Giants themselves that they would be lucky to finish in the first di vision If they did not have At. • Graw to lead them. Club owners have the idea in con sequence of McGraw's reputation and record that there are mor. McGraws. and the present scram ble to secure a possible one Is the result. But the club owners must take into account that McGraw has been entirely unhampered by hi' employer, and without the absolute authority to conduct his team as he sees fit the chances are that he would not have been as uniformly successful as he has. McGraw’ has lasted, and so have the Giants, just because President Brush has had sense enough to ap preciate that his manager knows more about baseball and how to run a team than he does himself, | and has kept his hands off Brush Butted in Only Once. The only time that Mr. Brush even made a suggestion to McGraw about running his team was when Rube Marquand was purchased from the Indianapolis club and had reported to McGraw at the tail end of the season. The reputation given Rube by the SII,OOO paid for him and his big- record with the Hoosier club had aroused the interest of New York fans to a high pitch, and they made an urgent request that the new’ wonder should “show’” at the Polo Grounds. It was McGraw’s intention to have Marquard sit on the bench the balance of the season and get an Idea of big league baseball by look ing at the games. But President Brush became insistent that the public’s demand should be granted, and McGraw, with many misgiv ing's and predictions of danger, finally consented to put the Rube in. The consequence was that the SII,OOO beauty’ was knocked out of the box and degenerated into the notorious “lemon” that he was fo F more than a year after his unfortu nate debut. The Giants lost the use of his services virtually until the season of 1911, and the sll,oo' paid for him looked like thirty cents as far as the New York club was concerned. But that was not the worst dam* age done. The Giants, by losing that one game, also lost the cham pionship, tor they were beaten out that year by a single game by th' 1 Cubs. DUNDEE WHIPS CONLEY: MAY MEET KILBANE NEXT LOS ANGELES. Nov. 20.—Johnn.i Pun dee, the New York featherweight, i.- considered as tin opponent for I !nn J Kilbane in a championship fight Year’s day follow ing his victory lasi sn over Frankie Conley. The New York lad led all the w;.j stopped t'onley in the nineteenth ' "m i with a blow to the jaw that d'"? 1 ? .. opponent. When Conley got t" he was so dazed he could not ! ' arms to protect himself. Referee r.yiv. stopped the go.