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Virginia and Georgia May Meet at Football
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Plan Two Games, One in Virginia, Other Here
By Percy H. Whiting.
FROM Virginia comes the report
that the University of Vir
ginia and the University of
Georgia are on the edge of signing
a contract for two games of foot
ball, the first to be played either at
Richmond or Charlottesville next
fall and the next one to be played
in Georgia and presumably nt At
lanta.
m.'i at Charlottesville they »eem
to Clink til'd Hie thing i. all ar
-1 ant' d and maybe it is, though
Georgia hasn't had much to say
ibo 11 it.
Virginia wanted two games In
v,. . , Richmond papers refer to as
’lll. Siuidi." ill order that two
might be played on the trip that
brings Viiginiu into tills section of
the country. Next year It is Van
derbilts turn to go to Virginia, so if
Georgia signs, it will have to do
likewise This will mean that the
following year the Virginia team
will do the traveling, and it is only
reasonable to suppose that the game
will be played in Atlanta.
• ♦ •
1’ HE Tech teams naturally have
first call on Atlanta. The Yellow
Jackets are entitled to preference
in dates. But it is hoped by local
fans that Georgia or some other
college will take advantage of the
open dates In Atlanta, in order
that there may be football In At
lant every Saturday of the next
football season. In the season Just
passed, there were several pen
dates, when the Tech team was on
the road. It Is a shame that this
•bould happen. Atlanta is a cork
tag football town, and should have
plenty of games. Also it is a. city
which turns out strong for a good
football game, and any first-class
contest here Is a sure money maker.
• • •
ONE of the Interesting features of
the football season which so re
cently closed was the timing by Dr.
C. P. Hutchins, director of physical
training at Indiana university, of
the actual play in a football game.
His figures showed that there was
actual play In progress In but 13
minutes and 16 seconds of a game
that went four full 15-minuto quar
ters.
It has been so often charged
against football that it was a game
too exhausting on Its participants.
The fact that the men play only a
bit over three minutes of each 15-
minute quarter makes it unlikely
that any man In good physical con-
CHARLOTTE Y. M. C. A.
WILL PLAY CLUB FIVE
Atlanta Athletic ■ 'uh and
I the Charlotte Y. M. C. \.
teams will stack up against
each other tonight on the A. A. C.
floor.
The local team had its final hi
ntructlons at Friday night's practice
ami is only waiting tor the refer< ■ ’s
wnlMle to start the festivities.
The Charlotte players have al
ways shown up Well in Atlanta am!
made the local quintet take their
medicine two years ago by handing
them a defeat pill. It was a bitter
one. too. and the local players will
go into the battle as earnestly as
though the fate of the univers. de -
pended upon the outcome.
.Tim Harrison will be missing
from the A. A. C. team at guard
on account of a bad knee. "Pi. "
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the exercise.
V • •
'T’HB Carlisle Indians are planning
next year to make a conflidera
hie study of Canadian football, and
expect to play at least one game in
Canada next year, under the Cana
dian rules. It will be remembered
that the season Just passed Carlisle
played a picked team in Canada,
half the game at American college
football and half at Canadian Rug
by. The Carlisle players won at
both styles of game. But both teams
are determined to go more care
fully into the new style of play,
and to try conclusions next fall.
Coach Glenn Warner, of the In
dians, made a careful study of the
game in Canada and arrived at the
following conclusions about it:
In the Canadian game the diffi
cult > Os gaining ground consis
tently Is so great that possession
I's the ball is not at all impor
tant. and, consequently, the
Canadian players can take all
sorts of chances to pull off a long
run, since they are sure that If
they lose the ball it will be only
a matter of a few plays until they
again have possession of it,
whereas in the American inter
collegiate game, possession of the
ball is so Important that the
tendency is to adopt only such
methods In advancing the ball us
are reasonably sure not to lose
any ground and on which there is
little danger of fumbling
The game between Carlisle and
the Canadians proved conclusively
that tackling and defensive tactics
have been more highly developed
in the states than in Canada,
since the Canadians were unable
to gain ground consistently
against the American defense. It
Is true that occasionally they
pullet! off runs of from 15 to 30
yards by means of their long side
passes, but it Is also true that
these tactics resulted in a loss of
ground to the Canadians more of
ten than they succeeded, and,
therefore, It was proved to my sat
isfaction that such plays, al
though played by masters of the
art of passing and handling the
ball, are too uncertain and danger
ous to be of any advantage to our
own college teams.
In the Canadian rugby game any
kicked hall which goes over the
opponents’ goal line and Is downed
there, and which would be called
a touohback in our game, is
called a "rouge," and counts one
point.
"This method of scoring." says
Warner, "might have been adopt
ed with advantage to our game
last year, when there was such a
complaint against the difficulty of
gaining ground and consequently
so many scoreless games, instead
of increasing the number of
Weaver, who played such a bear
cat <iim. last Saturuaj night, will
team with Carter as the other
guard. I.'ubard will be oil the job
at .-. nte 1 and I'o. bes and Willing
ham Smith will star at shooting
the baskets.
The probable line-up:
Atlanta A. C. Charlotte.
E. Smith. )f Crowell. If.
T. Forbi s. rs E. Stewart, rs.
i'ub.ird. C tvci’ett. C.
Carter leapt.l, rg. Page (enpt.l.'lg.
W ■ nx , v. ig
Andrews, W Stewart rg.
Y. M. C’ A. OF COLUMBUS
TOYS WITH CHARLOTTE
< "l.l'Mßl S. GA.. l>. . 14.—The Co
lumbus V M. A. basket ball team
|<l. tented the Charlotte Y. M. C. A. team
last night b-. the semi of 82 to 14. The
gam. was the fastest seen here.
Although the game appears to be a
walk-over, the Charlotte team revealed
111 .i'lilty at the game that should have
r< suite.' In a better score.
I 11 can.' was u demonstration of
freak gc.. shooting by the Columbus
} Al V Till local players frequent
1> threw goals with opposing players
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IHE ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NEWS. SATURDAY, DECEMBER 14. 1912.
downs to four in order to obviate
this difficulty. Such a change
would have added to the scoring
ability of our teams without in
creasing the number of downs In
which to gain ten yards and it
also would have tended to keep
the game more open than It is
proving to be this year under
the four-down rule."
How the Famous American and National League Shortstops Compare
BONUS W AfiNER HASSLICHT EDGE ON HEINE WAGNER
By Sam Crane.
HONUS and Heine, the first
names, but Wagner the last,
are familiar when ver base
ball Is discussed. And Honus and
Heine are teaming together as two
of the greatest stars of the game,
past, present and maybe future.
Honus shortstops in the National
league for the Pittsburg Pirates,
and Heine shortstops In the Amer
ican league for the Boston Red
Sox. each in such a fashion that
he has no superiors.
In the winter time the ball fan
must be supplied with something
for cqnversatlon, and the figures of
Honus and Heine in their past form
an interesting dope yarn.
But who is the star between Ho
nus and Heine? Any major league
manager would offer a fortune for
either.
Honus Wagner a Veteran.
If the point of service were con
sidered. Hans would be picked at
the tirst moment, but when one
considers who will be playing the
longer it is almost certain that
Heine would be picked, although
the aged veteran of the Pirates
seems to be one ball player who can
go on forever without losing any
of his agility.
He is, year in and year out. the
same old demon with the bat and
also in the field.
When Hans Wagner quits play
ing. the pastime will lose one of its
brightest lights, and one pl iver who
has been connected with the game
for over sixteen years. Hans start
ed his career with a major league
club in 1897. with Louisville. Three
years later ho went to the I’irales,
and has boon there ever since.
Heine first became connected with
the Red Sox in 1907, and has been
starring annually.
Honus Has Great Average.
Hans has been a terrific slug
ger from Ids very lit.st day, and his
first year with tai- Pirates —19'10 —
be led the National league win, a
i .380 average, which was compiled
[ in 134 contest-. Ami for thirteen
I years he has hit better than .300.
with a complete grand average of
.359 for 1,820 game-.
Heine has not been so harsh with
the stick. The best mark lie has
compiled since becoming a mem
ber of the Red Sox was .374. which
he owned during tbe season Just
closed
While Han« has a grand aver
age of .359 for 13 years of service
in the National league, Heine has
compiled an average of only 255.
so it can be seen that Hans has
over 100 points on his opponent in
this respect and that after being in
the big league ranks seven years
longer.
So now if can not he doubted
that Hans has the better of the ar
gument when batting is considered.
In base stealing the bold Pirate
also has a long lead. In 13 years
he has pilfered 555 sacks, an av
erage of motv than 42 for each sea
son. w hile his namesake h is swiped
only 120, or 20 per season. The
two an- about even up on sacrifice
hitting.
Heine Second in Fielding.
Having the lead in these two
brnnchei is not nil that Hans owns.
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• BRESNAHAN TO PLAY J
•VAUDEVILLE ’TIL THE;
• BALL SQUABBLE ENDS;
• NEW YORK, Dec. 14.—Roger •
• Bresnahan, .deposed manager of •
• tin- St. Louis Cardinals, says he •
• will accept a nice offer and go on •
• the stage during the winter •
• months. Ho announced today that •
• he would not accept any of the •
• several baseball jobs offered him •
• until his claim against the St. •
• Louis club was straightened out. •
• •
HOW THE WAGNERS
LOOK IN FIGURES
Hans Wagner.
BATTING.
Year. G. AB. R. 11. SH. SB. Ave.
1900 ...134 528 107 201 9 36 .380
1901.. 55(1 100 196 10 48 .352
1902 ...137 538 105 177 8 43 .329
1903 ...129 512 97 182 8 46 .355
1904 ...132 490 97 171 5 53 .349
1905 ...1-17 548 114 199 7 57 .363
1906.. 516 103 175 6 53 .339
1907 ...142 515 98 180 14 61 .350
1908 ...151 568 100 201 14 53 .354
1909 ...137 495 92 168 27 35 .339
1910 ...150 556 90 178 20 24 .320
1911 ...130 473 87 158 12 20 .334
1912 ...145 558 91 181 11 26 .324
Tot’l .1,820 6,853 1,381 2,467 151 555 .359
Heine Wagner.
Year. G. AB. R. H. SH. SB. Ave.
1907 .. .111 385 29 82 11 20 .212
1908 ...153 526 62 130 21 20 .247
1909.. 130 51 110 9 18 .256
1910 ...142 491 61 134 20 26 .273
1911 ... 80 261 34 67 6 15 .257
1912 ...111 504 75 138 14 21 .274
Total .754 2,597 312 661 81 120 .256
FIELDING.
Hans Wagner.
Chances
Per
Year. G. PO. A. E. P.C. G.
1900, R. I-’. .117 117 13 6 .969 1.7
1901. s. S. . 61 177 226 35 .920 7.2
1901, R. F. . 54 S 3 2 2 .977 1.6
1902, S. S. . 4.. 89 116 29 .890 5.9
1902. Ist. B. 31 316 41 4 .988 11.6
1902, R. F. . 59 121 IT 1 .992 2.3
1903. S. S. .11l 303 397 50 .933 6.9
1’904. S. S. .121 274 367 49 .920 5.7
1905, S. S. .145 353 517 60’ .935 6.4
1906, S. S. .137 334 473 51 .941 6.3
1907. S. S. .138 314 428 49 .938 5.7
1908. S. S. .151 354 469 50 .943 5.8
19119, S S. 136 344 430 49 .940 6.1
1910. S. S. .137 337 413 52 .935 5.8
1911 . . . .101 221 312 39 .932 5.7
1912 ... .143 341 462 32 .965 5.8
Totals. .1.687 4.138 4,807 558 .942 5.7
Heinie Wagner.
Chances
Per
Year. G. Pi). A. E. P.C. G
1907 . . . .!<>:♦ .’S3 357 50 .931 6.6
19118 . . . .153 373 569 61 .932 5.9
1909 . . . .123 282 413 50 .933 6.1
1910 . . . .140 303 424 57 .927 5.6
1911 - - .32 75 91 26 .867 6.2
1911. 2d 8... 4(i 106 106 12 .946 5.6
1912 . . . .144 332 391 61 .922 5.4
Totals . .741 1.754 2.384 317 .929 6.0
lb i- the star fielder of the two,
although no one will deny that
Heine is also there when it conies
to picking up the mean bounders.
They both are stars when it comes
to t igglng a runner; blocking ’em
off second base, but figures show
that Hans owns the better grand
average.
In 13 years of service the "Fry
ing Dutchman" has bandied almost
10.000 > bancos. and owns an aver
age of .942. which really is remark
abb'. considering that he has play
ed short, second and the outfield.
Heine lais compil'd a grand aver
age of .929 in the six years he has
been with the Red Sox.
Hans played 61 games at short
You will find that druggists every
where speak well of Chamberlain’s
Cough Remedy. They know from long
experience in the sale of it that in
• ase< of coughs ami colds it can always
b>- depended upon, and that It Is pleas
ant and safe to take. I'or sail by all
dealers tAdvt 1
Chattanooga Newspaper Men Stood for Bunk Fight
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Refused to Expose the Morris-Williams Fiasco
By W. S. Farnsworth.
APTER having thoroughly in
vestigated the fight be
tween Carl Morris and
Jack Keating. the Oklahoma
giant’s sparring partner, in
Chattanooga the first of the week,
I have found out that the situation
in 1901 and handled 7.2 chances per
game, while in 1903, in 111 contests,
he averaged 6.9. For the 13 years
he has averaged 5.7 chances for
each game. Heine in six years has
averaged six chances per game,
with his best year, 1907, when he
tackled an average of 6.6 in each
of 109 games.
derrioTatshort,
M’MILLAN AT 2D FOR
YANKS NEXT YEAR
NEW YORK, Dec. 14.—Now that John
McGraw has waived on Frank Chance
there seems nothing to stand in his way
and he will soon become a member of the
Highland team, and its manager. And
already the dopesters are beginning to
figure on the Yankee team for 1913.
Tommy McMillan, who came out of the
International league during the latter
part of last season, is believed by a num
ber of the Highland players to be a bet
ter second baseman than he is a short
stop. Now, what do you think of that?
The same players also think that when
the new manager gets a look at Derrick
playing short, they will never get him out
of that position.
Connie Mack has said that short seems
to be the best place for Derrick. "He
has that long reach and can go either way
after the ball, and I think he would be
better there than any other place in the
infield, although he has played all the
positions," said Connie. “I am under the
impression that when the New York club
is at work and they learn how Derrick
can take care of that job he will be named
for that position in the line-up for the
opening game.”
Although McMillan did great work at
short, the Yankees right now are kind of
lost for a second baseman. Tommy
might be good at that corner. He has
played short most of the time, but has
had to work out at second base several
times, and there is no doubt that he can
take care of that Job. But the dope seems
to be that Derrick is the man for short,
; and that the Yankees will have no trou
ble filling that position.
jordan~wantedl : o’play
FIRST BASE FOR BRAVES
BALTIMORE, Dec. 14.—President
: Gaffney and Manager Stallings are hot
i on the trail of Tim Jordan, whom they
hope to secure to play first for the
; Braves.
! Jordan is now In Toronto. He would
; have been back in the big league last
‘ season if it had not been for the re
fusal of the Brooklyn club to allow the
’ Pilates to get him. Jordan Is not a
brilliant fielder, but he is one of the
best hitting first bajemen in the coun
try, and it will boom the Braves stock
a whole lot if Gaffney can land him.
Jordan is not anxious to go to Boston,
as he prefers Pittsburg, but a player’s
objections are easily removed.
Manager Stallings is anxiously await
ing word from Campbell, to whom he
wrote several days ago. It is said on
pretty good authority that the St. Louis
man Is in earnest In his determination
to quit baseball and Stallings is eager
tn hear from him before he goes
through with some of the deals he has
In mind.
EPPA RIXEY GETS $5,000
OR JOINS HOLDOUT CREW
CHARLOTTESVILLE. YA.. Dec. 14
Eppa Rlxey. who made good with the Phil
lies last season, may be among the hold
outs ere long. Rlxey does not propose to
report to the Phillies next spring unless
the club makes good a promise made him
■ when he joined the team Rlxey. it Is
said, claims that he was given to under
stand that if he made good with the team
; he would be tendered a $5,000 contract for
; next season. He claims that the club has
i balked on this figure, and that he pro
, poses to remain at home unless it is car
ried out. Rlxey undoubtedly made good
with the Phillies. He pitched ten winning
games, lost ten ano did th s rescue act in
three immrs
was as follows:
Morris may or may not’ have
known before leaving Atlanta that
he was going to fight his sparring
partner. On the morning of the
fight he did know that he was go
ing to meet Keating. He and his
manager both told Chattanooga
fight fans that Keating had been
his sparring partner. Morris want
ed it announced from the ring that
Williams was no other than Keat
ing. But the club refused to do so.
Then Morris and his manager went
i to the newspaper men and told
them who Williams really was. But
the newspaper men, at any rate
one of them, said he would not
make the announcement, as besides
being sporting editor he was one of
the owners of the club. And he
had rather bunk his readers than
to knock the show and thereby lose
a few dollars that would come
through the gate.
A fine situation! No wonder the
light fans of the South have been
forced to put up with fakes, bunks
and fiascos. When a sporting editor
refuses to tell his readers the truth
to gain for himself a few extra dol
lars, it’s time that he resigned his
position.
• * •
HILE this may not give Mor
* ’ ' ris an entirely clean bill, it
really shouldn’t bar him from fight
ing. I had a long talk with Mor
ris yesterday and he seems to feel
very badly about the suspicion that
has been cast on him.
“As soon as 1 found out that I
was to fight Keating I asked the
club promoters to call off the
match,” said Carl. “They refused
to do it. I couldn’t sidestep, or
Chattanooga fans would have said
I was afraid of Williams. So I
went on and gave him a terrible
beating. When I got through with
him his face was cut to ribbons,
and I don’t believe he will be able
to fight again for many weeks.”
1\ I ORRIS was willing to call off
xvl his fight with Al Kubiak here
Tuesday night. But after having
investigated the Chattanooga case
I advised him to go through with
Kubiak and vindicate himself.
Kubiak and Morris will cut Tues
day night's gate 75 and 25. There
doesn’t seem to be a chance in the
world that the men have an “un
derstanding." Morris will be a dead
one forever if there is any fake
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connected with the show. He knows
that, and I look for him to tight at
his best.
Kubiak has always contended
that Morris was made for him. hi
fact, Al claims that twice Morri; '
ran out on him, and he would had
fought winner-take-all had not tli
promoters thought it best to c/t
the purse 75 and 25.
“A winner-take-all basis souui
suspicious,” said Promoter Norths
this morning. “The fans alwaj
think that a fake is coming
when it. is announced that the mo
ey will all go to the winner, sol
induced the men to split 75 per ce t
to the winner and 25 to the loser
BROOKLYN TURNS MILLB
OVER TO NASHVILLE CUB
I NASHVILLE, TENN.; Dec. I-
I Through the working agreement hat
exists betweeh Nashville and the
Brooklyn clubs, Otto Miller will be
turned over to the Volunteers next ba
son. Miller is one of the first sting
catchers for the Dodgers, but ich
great backstoppers as Erwin Itlii
Phelps will just about crowd Ottoloff
Ebbetts’ pay roll.
Miller will fill the shoes of one Ropy
Elliott and It goes without saying 1,
he will not have any great big task u
ing it. Otto ought to perform wonrrs
for Nashville, as he is possessed o a
great amount of gray matter and ■ n
teach the young pitchers many a tr k
of inside baseball.
Otto is rather a handy man with is
hickory, pasting the pellet last seai:
in close to a hundred games for b
average of .278, which will, no dour
make him an object of respect to tr
Southern league slabmen.
Otto isn't very enthusiastic over tl
pay check Hirsig has offered him an
has entered a vigorous protest, but t
difference will no doubt be adjusted 1
time for the spring training.
WESLEY MEMORIAL AND
A. A. C. TEAMS WINNERS)
The referees’ whistles at the Armor?
and Y. M. C. A. courts last night sen'
four teams on their way in the thin
season of the Atlanta Basket Ba!
league. The visiting teams were vic
tors in both instances. The Wesley
Memorial lads took the Fifth Regiment
into camp. 34 to 30, while the Atlanta
Athletic club won a hard fought gams
from the plucky Y. M. C. A. quintet,
CARPENTER COMES BACK,
Umpire "Billy” Carpenter, who lef
the Southern league last season to g
to the International, will be seen on
the Southern diamonds again next sea
son.