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THE ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NEWS, SATURDAY, MAY 24, 1913. DICTOGRAPH TALKS IN if (Continued from Page One.) « he may be busy. 1 will bring him if he can possibly get here. (In a few minutes Miles returned.) Miles—He was up to the City Hall. He will be over in a f*w min utes, he said. Colyar—Where is your residence, Mr. Miles? Miles—In Decatur. I used to live in Smyrna. i (Conversation here became inaudible for a short time on account of scraping of feet upon the door, chairs, etc., which drowned the sounds through the instrument.) Miles—If you will excuse me, I will take off my coat. It is very warm. Colyar and February—Certainly. Colyar—Step downstairs and get the pitcher and bring it up here full of ice water. (Mr. February was evidently the one addressed, as some one went out. find the conversation continued between Mr. Miles and Mr. Colyar.) Miles—We will have that fixed. If we have got the goods on these detectives their sphere of work will be over. It will take three or four days — Colyar—Well, what do you think of this Phagan murder? Miles—I think it is the most damnable They telephoned Craig, The Constitution man to come and go with them. Colyar—Do you believe Frank murdered that girl? Miles—I never have believed it. It looks a great deal more like he did than it did before from the affidavits. Also there is going to be pretty strong evidence that the girl was not raped. (Conversation became very indistinct for a few minutes.) Miles—1 think the whole thing was handled badly. In my mind I am satisfied. They had an extra on the street at 6:30. They should never have allowed all the persons they did on the premises. Just rafter dhe murder there were only a few scents and tracks, and the man who did the murder could have easily been tracked, as no one else had been there hut the negro and his tracks could have been very easily eliminated. Colyar—Yes; that is right. It looks to me like they would have known better. Miles—They should have looked for foot prints and finger prints. Instead of that they had over 500 finger prints v Conversation inter rupted by knock at door.) A moment or so later Mayor Woodward entered the room. Miles, Colyar and February (almost simultaneously)—Well, how are you Mr. Mayor. (After the general conversation of all had subsided I was able to distinguish Mr. Miles’ voice.) Miles—I really don’t know' it well enough—this is the first conference I have had. Colyar—Well, Tom Felder told me that the Mayor wanted some evi dence on these fellows down here at the city hall, Decatur Street, and the station house, and here’s a man that works down there. He got disgusted doing three men's work. He can get the evidence for you, but he wants no one to know it. There are some terrible framers down there. Miles—He is afraid they will throw' him in jail, after they find it out. Woodward—How can they throw him in jail? ’ Colyar—They can get a charge against anybody and throw him in jail. You don’t know them like some other people do. Woodward—What is the nature of the evidence, he. can get? Colyar—Well, if he was to get the evidence that Mr. Felder wants, It would do the work, which I understand is what you want. Woodward—All I want to—(voice too low and indistinct). Colyar—They would throw him out of his* job and put him in jail. Woodward—I don’t see how they could do it. Miles—I don’t—unless there are. no sane people in the city any more. Colyar—Well, you know they said they were going to close up the red light—(voice too low.) Woodward—Well, they have got nothing to fear Colyar—I went up to your office to see you, and I found It was harder work to get In your office than when I was a newspaper reporter. Woodward-Well, my secretary came in and I told him to tell them I would see you just as soon as I possibly could. Colyar—But’ he said you couldn’t see me until to-morrow. Woodward—The reason I said that was because he said you said you were in a hurry, and I said tell him to come back to-morrow. If you could have waited there a few minutes you would have had no trouble. You said you were in a hurry and had some business to at tend to, but I could not tell the other people to get out of the office. Colyar—Thfere wasn’t anybody else in the office. Woodward—Well, the secretary or somebody w’as. Oh, I had to sign up a lot .of checks that had to go in before the bank closed. Colyar—I have always heard you were a plain old politician. Woodward—It is just my natural way. Colyar—Well, this is the man that can give the evidence down at headquarters that you want, but he is afraid to. , Woodward—There is nothing to be afraid of. Colyar—You don’t know what police persecution is. They can prove that black is white and water will run up stream, and they can get a jury that will—* Miles—I lake this view of it. It will only be—with the police force to be—until they won’t be in position to get anyone into trouble. Colyar—They tell me they got a majority in the force. Miles—No, sir; I don’t— Woodward—Dozier. I— Colyar—How many votes will it take to remove him? Woodward—A majority. Colyar—How many are on the board? Woodward—Twelve, Colyar—You have a vote in case of a tie? Woodward—I have a vote anyhow. ; Miles—He is a member ex-officio. Woodward—I vote all the time. Miles—February wants to know if we can promise him protection. I think we can safely do it in a matter of right, like tht*. Woodward—Yes. Miles—He has the graft list and knows who’s on the list, w’ho Is to be protected and who is not to be protected. It looks to me like we have the same thing down there that they had in New York, only on a smaller scale, because Atlanta is a smaller town. Colyar—Did you tell Tom Felder that you authorized Felder that if •he got the proof for you you would see that he got paid for It? Woodward—I told Felder that on matters of this kind (voice here indistinct) and he has a good deal to say, and 1 told him that I am satisfied that certain parties w'ould be willing to pay the money for him. and if he got the evidence that would convict those people it w’ould be paid, and it will be. There is no question about that. Colyar—He said he w’ould give him a thousand dollars for the evi dence. f • Miles—Felder said to me that February said that was the price. February—Felder said that he would pay it to us, but he would have to se.e the papers. He said he would give me one thousai -i dollars. Miles—He didn’t say that anybody had authorized him to do It. He just said he would get-it up. W pod ward—I don’t know whether he had reference (voice too low). As to whether he could raise the money or not; but if he did, he knows that I have not authorized him to do anything of that kind. Miles—What would be the nature of those documents? Colyar—It is an affidavit from two people—both signed it—acknowl edging threats, etc., graft and general corruption. Like you said a jyhile ago- . Miles—There is no trouble to show the graft? „... February—(Reply inaudible). - Miles—(Voice too low at first) a place like the Walton Inn has never been closed. February—I don’t know just about that one. 'Miles—Now, my information is that the woman who runs it is a sia- ter-in-law of an official In the Police Department. A w oman gave me that information and said that she was operating under protection, and there certainly is a half dozen hacks around there at 1 o’clock at night, i couples going in and out. Woodward—There will be no trouble about getting the money. AUTes^-Yes, but * * * They might get the Council in their favor at M AYOR JAMES G. WOODWARD, of Atlanta, who has been trapped by the dictograph in his hunt for police graft evidence. His conversation with others was taken in A ,S. Colyar’s room at the Williams House on the afternoon of May 21. some later date. * * * Of course, somebody w r ould have to advance it now. Woodward—Yes, I know' it. Miles—Isn’t there another stenographer that works down there? February—Yes; there is a man down there in Chief of Police’s of fice. He works at night. He goes on about 4. Miles—If they want anything after you go off, they get him to do it? February—(Reply indistinct.) Miles—You keep all the records of that department? February—Yes; for Lanford. (Traffic noise interfered with sound.) Colyar—Only two men can get the evidence, February and Chief Lan ford. * * * They have got him doing three men’s work. They make him do the work of the judge down there. * * * Miles—Well, Mr. Woodward, suppose we leave! Woodward—I would like to have some kind of an idea or statement of what * * * so as to know what * * *. Miles—Yes; that is, something specific. Woodward—I don’t know what to do. February'—Well, I will have to go through tlie.se papers and see what I can get. Woodward—Get anything that looks like graft. I don’t care who it hits, and especially Beavers. February—Well, I will have to go through these papers and see what I can get. Woodward—We are going to get up the money to pay for it. They’ll ' want to know what you have got and what you can prove. Then I can give him an answer. Are you a stenographer? Woodward—What do they pay you? February—One hundred dollars. I am clerk of the detective office, and I spend a great deal of my time in working for Judge Broyles, which makes one man working in two different departments. Miles—Are you married? February—Yes, sir. Miles—(Excessive noise rendered conversation inaudible.) Woodward—I won’t do anything until it is substantiated. Miles—Yes; just forget it. You know you have never broken your w’ord yet. Woodward—I heard they charged me with some meanness. Miles—I think that is a great compliment. Woodward—I heard they said something of that kind down there. Miles—That would tickle me to death if some woman would say that to me. Woodward—The woman, I und the stand and swear to it. erstand, said she would not get on Colyar—Well, I understood that the woman said she did not know you. (Noise interfered with sound over dictograph.) Woodward—I have a lot of fellows to come up to me and say: “Is this Mayor Woodward? I have seen your picture—” . . Oh, I don’t know that it is true about me. Miles—Personally (on account of Mr. Miles talking so low, was un able to understand him). Woodward—Well, they have pretty good evidence on him. Colyar—On w’ho? Wood ward—Beavers. Colyar—I know one of the vice commission leaders was put out of a hotel in Birmingham three years ago with a prominent man’s wife. Woodward I tell you what to do. You get this stenographer up there and see what he can do. You needn't let me know about It; just tell Miles. Colyar—How about Lanford? Woodward--We want Beavers first, then Lanford. Miles—1 agree with you. it is best fhqt after we go into this and /aise th' mone. t<> pav for it. we go out of the county, and it will be turned over to be examined, to see that they are the papers, aitd then Jones Attacks Beavers and Charges Police Crookedness (Continued from Page One.) Well, as 1 haven’t slept much lately I think I will go Well. 1 will see you to-morrow. Miles—Well, 1 am much obliged to you for coming in. Jones—I will try and ge there between 10 and 11. Will that suit you? I am glad to have met you. Good-night. Colyar—Have you seen Felder since you saw me? Miles—Yes Colyar—What did he say about going out of town? Miles—He will go. Colyar—Well, we will get the papers. Miles—I told him that was reasonable. Colyar—Then I will get the papers at 2 30 to-morrow. What time will you get In In the morning? Miles—I will get in at 8:30 to-morrow, and I have an appointment. Colyar—I think it is best to go out there. Miles—I have no doubt. It can’t possibly use our side. Colyar—Call me up at 2401, Atlanta ’phone, at the hotel, at 1 o’clock. T won’t have anything to do with the transfer of them in Fulton Coun ty. As long as he— Miles—Yes, it makes a great deal more—. He can bull — a Morse out. I think he owes him most of it. Colyar—What was his fee? Miles—A hundred thousand dollars. Colyar—How much did he get? Miles—Oh! Absolutely— Colyar—How long have you known Felder? Miles—I have known him 25 years, personally. Colyar—(Question incoherent). Miles—Did you hear him commit himself? Colyar—(Answer Incoherent). Now listen here, this boy needs pro tection. Will you do all in your power to see that he gets protection? Will you promise not to use it any way as to jeopardize his position in any Way? Miles—* * • And I believe he would, because I have seen him tried. 1 have been through all his campaigns with him, and I have never known him to go back on his word. I can’t convince my mind that the young man won’t balk. He is liable to Ipse his nerve. He seems nervous and afraid. Colyar—No, he won't balk; he is Just timid. Miles—In dealing with a rattlesnake I never think about (dictograph not clear) Do you? Colyar—No. Miles—I presume every' man has his own code of honor, and mine is if the right is figured in the wrong that the right needn’t hurt you. 1 don’t mean to call him a rattlesnake as I don't know anything against him. But that respect I had in mind the general corruption in that depart ment down there. Colyar—He goes down there and gets the papers and brings them out there and they are the papers that you and Felder want and they would know that nobody could get them but Lanford, and him and Lan ford would say that he didn’t get them and they would know February got them and would fire him right away. Now, how is the Mayor going to puth im back? Miles—If they are the documents of the nature he understands they are, there will be another Chief in his office. They would put him back for the very reason it would insure a straight administration of the next Chief. Colyar—Will you call me in the morning at 10 o’clock? Miles—I will call you at 10 o’clock. Colyar—We will make Tom spend his money now. Miles—Yes. You don’t want to give the Mayor any* list of these things. Colyar—I thought you wanted the papers. Miles—I don’t want them. Colyar—Tom doea He can tell about the papers whether they are what he wants. Miles—We agree with the Mayor that we get this list. Colyar—I am willing to copy it. Colyar—Tom said that the papers— Miles —Between you and Tom. we have nothing to do with it. If you are going to sell them to him, we will drop out of It. You say you will see the. Mayor? Colyar—I will see him to-morrow. Miles—Good-night. Colyar—Good-night. the money is to be turned over. Now, this list you speak of. If Feb ruary don’t want it t o go out in his own handwriting, I will take it and copy it in my own handwriting. And if he gets into trouble we will pro tect him. Still, in a thing like this I don’t mind getting in trouble for the right. If he gets in jail I will promise that he will get out. . . . Woodward—We have got lawyers here that will get you out pretty quick. And I have the pardon power still. Miles—And when they see you have got them they are going to be mighty quick to quiet down. . . . Now suppose we arrange for an other meeting. You set the hour and I will meet you at any time and place. February—Well, we would better call you up. Miles—I am so busy that I am not In my ofHce very much, and you may not catch me. Colyar—Can you meet me at 8 o’clock to-night, here? Miles—Yes; I can meet you here. (At this juncture someone knocked on the door and told Mr. Colyar that he was wanted at the telephone. Mr. Colyar replied by saying he couldn’t come as he was busy.) February*—Well, we will call you up. Colyar—He is coming here at 8 o’clock to-night. • • • My number up here is Atlanta phone 2401. Miles—Yes, I will call for you. Now, that Is to-night? Colyar—Yes. Miles I will be here st 8 o’cl >’k That is all right? Woodward I am satisfied that if we can establish • • • Do you understand this much, that we nave got something (voice too low and indistinct to hear). Miles—Yes; it has got to be positive. Colyar—Want a match? » ■ . . Miles—I got one. Well, good lujk. Woodward—(Voice too low to hear.) Colyar—They will frame un on anybody that you report. Woodward — (Talked very low and Indistinct.) Colyar—What protection have we got? Woodward—Well, I don’t think there will be any trouble at all. * • * We could get together and establish * * • There is some thing wrong It is simply a • • • Now. Mr February, you get a list of the papers you can furnish me against those men and give them to me or Miles, and then we will know how to talk with you. As it is, we don’t know whether you can get anything or not. Colyar—What do you think of the Phagan case? Woodward—Phagan case? I think it has been mighty mussed up. The only thing l know on that subject is what I see in the papers, and they have very little In connection with it. (Balance inaudible.) Colyar—Tom Felder talks too much. Woodward—I think so. too. I don’t know what h* said on the out side, but he talked some to me, not a great deal; I didn't see him five minutes. Woodward—I only had a very few words. • • • Well, I will see you again. Colyar and February—Well, good-bye, Mayor. State of Georgia—County of Fukon. Personally appeared before me. the undersigned notary public fqr the State and county aforesaid. George M. Gentry, a stenographer, who makes oath and says that the foregoing conversation between A. S. Col yar, James G. Woodward. Mayor of the city of Atlanta, E. O. Miles and G. C. February took place In room No. 31 of Williams House No. 2. at 34 and 36 North- Forsyth Street, Atlanta, Ga., on May 21, 1913, and u is a true and correct transcript as taken down by the afflent through a dictograph, which was stationed in room No. 32 of said hotel. GEORGE M. GENTRY. Sworn to and subscribed before me this 23d day of May. 1913. CHARLES S. TYERSON. Notary Public, Fulton County, Georgia. State of Georgia—County of Fulton Personally appeared before me, the undersigned notary public for the State and county aforesaid, A S. Colyar and G. C. February, both of whom are personally known to me. who make oath that the above con versation between James G. Woodward. Mayor, and E. O. Miles and the affiants, as herein set out, took place In room No. 31 of Williams House No. 2. at 34 and 36 North Forsyth Street. Atlanta. Georgia, and that same was reported by George M. Gentry, a stenographer, in room No. 32 of said Williams House, and that the same is a true and correct transcrip tion of said conversations. A. S. COLYAR. G. C. FEBRUARY. Sworn to and subscribed before me this 2<ki day of May. 1913. W. W. BROWN, Notary Public. Fulton County. Georgia. Denouncing A. 8 Colyar as an "eagle-beaked crook,” W. O. Tobie, the Burns detective who is here mak ing an investigation of the Phagan case, declared on Saturday that the charges of bribery and double-dealing brought against Felder were a frame- up concocted by the Pinkerton De tective Agency and the Atlanta Po lice Department, with these three ends in view: To discredit the Burns Agency. To drive the Burns Agency from the State of Georgia. To discredit Colonel Felder be cause he employed Bums men. Tobie charges also that Colyar was used as the “capper’’ in the frame-up. He declares that Colyar tried to in duce him to be a party to a fake, frame-up on the Police Department and the Pinkertons, and that Colyar invited him to attend the conference a* the Williams House No. 2 between Colonel Felder, G. C. February- and Colyar. He declares that Colyar told him he had* affidavits that proved crookedness and graft in the Police Department and that he heard Colyar. on last Sunday, offer to sell the evi dence to Colonel Felder for a stipu lated sum. He declares also that Col yar said he wanted to get even with the police because they had arrested I him once. Tobie’s Complete Statement. Mr. Tobie’s complete statement, in 1 which he outlines the position of the Burns Agency in the squabble, fol lows : “The charges against Colonel Fel der are a frame-up betwen the Pin kerton Detective Agency, the Atlanta police department and Colyar to dis credit the Burns agency and drive us out of Georgia, and to discredit Col onel Felder because he employed the Burns people to work on the Phagan case In my mind there Is no doubt that Colyar is in the employ of the Pinkertons and the police department. His actions when he tried to inveigle me into the deal proves it. “I was in Colonel Felder’s office last Sunday night when Colyar made his proposition to sell out the police de partment, and when he framed the conference in the Williams House. He told Colonel Felder and myself that he had affidavits that Beavers and Lan ford were getting rich by protecting resorts, and that there was a world of near-beer graft in the police de partment. Felder agreed to attend the conference, but I didn't like the looks of things and refused to have anything to do with it. I advised Col onel Felder to keep away from Col yar. Called at Tobie’s Room. “On Monday morning Colyar called on me in my room at the Piedmont I Hotel. The eagle-beaked crook sleuth ed in like a fly cop out of a story i book, and was very mysterious. He j saw to it that there were no exits ; open, that there was no likelihood of our being overheard, and then old eagle-beak began throwing out hints. He said he felt It his duty t«» warn me of the difficulties I would en counter, and the things I would have to overcome if 1 tried to work out the Phagan case. He said the police de partment was jealous and sore that the Burns men had begun work on the case. He declared that the Pinker tons were Just as sure as the city police, an/1 that both of them were framing on me and Colonel Felder. “Old eagle-beak Colyar cursed the police department for everything he could think of. He called them more vile names than I have ever heard be fore in my life. He said he had been put in jail by the Atlanta police once, and that now was his chance to get even. He said he had affidavits that proved that Beavers and Lanford were grafters, and that the whole po lice force was rotten to the core. He wanted to read extracts from these affidavits, and I told him I didn’t care what he had, and what is more I wouldn’t believe he had anything worth while if he swore it on a stack of Bibles a mile high. Asked to Attend Conference. “He tried to inveigle me into a frameup against the police, and want ed me to dig into the doings of the police department. He asked me to attend the conference at the Williams House, when he said he would show a bunch of evidence that would prove everything he had claimed. “I shut him off short and told him I wouldn't have anything to do with him, or with any other eagle-beaked crook like him. I told him to get out. “1 told Colyar that I didn’t care a hang about the Atlanta police depart ment, or about anything it does. I don’t care whether Atlanta has a po lice department or not. I have no grudge, private or otherwise, to work off on the police department. If there is graft In the police department here, it Is none of my business, and I don’t care if they run a resort and a joint on every corner. I am here to work on the Phagan case, and I’ll continue to work on it to the best of my abil ity so long as the necessary money Is forthcoming. The Burns Agency Is not a charitable institution and re quires fees to handle a case. I am not in Atlanta to investigate the po lice department or anything else but the Phagan case. Her® for Phagan Case Only. “If, when we are through with the Phagan case, anypne wants to hire the Burns agency to investigate the Police Department, we’ll do It, and get whatever evidence there may be. But now I’m here for the Phagan mystery and nothing else, and haven’t time to listen to the ravings of an eagle-beaked crook who is trying :o play both ends against the middle.” Mr. Tobie declared also that he has never been discharged from the Pin kerton agency. “Colyar lied like the crook he is when he said that,' declared the Burns man. "1 quit the Pinkerton agency to 6tart an agency of my own with Cap tain Tellison. We handled the w'ork for Burns, and when Bums opened a branch in Kansas City I was mad manager.” COLUMBIA, S. C., May 24.—When asked for a comment upon the Fel der dictograph story, Governor Blease dictated the following: 1 do not see that It is necessary for me to give out any interview or to have anything to say. It Is not inside of my State and I do not suppose anybody that knows Tom Felder would be surprised if he is guilty, or If this Is a scheme worked up by him to get a little cheap notoriety and advertise ment. However, I presume that the members of the Atlanta Bar will immediately furnish certificates of character for their darling Tommy and show that he Is above suspicion and a gentleman' of the highest character, with an un blemished reputation as a man and attorney, and If a court of Georgia should order his arrest that his friends will forthwith call out the militia and have him released, as they know of hb* character and reputation and will not for a moment allow Tommy tc be interfered with. I am sat isfied that poor little misled Joe Brown has had his pardon clerk already fixing up a release for his innocent darling in case of any conviction. And, as a matter of course, the gutter snipes who went over to Augusta from South Carolina will hurry to offer their services to go . on sweet Tommy’s bond, and also to appear in the courts, along with Seaboard Bill and his friend, J. F. Lyon, who have heretofore been his bosom friends in his de fense—all save Chairman Car lisle, who, I suppose, will be too busy “moseying’’ to leave his own State just now. Consequently all will be well. Birds of a feather flock together, and of course if the lead buzzard rings his bell the congregation will assemble. Huerta Threatens to Assume Dictatorship MEXICO CITY, May 24.—Provi sional President Huerta has threat ened to dissolve Congress and assume dictatorship over the legislative branch of the government unless th« deputies opposed to the $100,000,003 foreign loan cease fllibusterins against it. This clash between the executivt and legislative branch of the govern ment has been expected for som, time. If the opposition is successful and the loan ie not secured, a crisis will follow. , Daniels ‘Afraid’ to Umpire Ball Game WASHINGTON. May 24.—As soon aa Josephus Daniels. Secretary of the Navy, announced that he was going to West Point to attend the Army-Navy baseball game on May 31, he was in vited to be one of the two umpires. "No, thank you; it's a bit too risky," declared Mr. Daniels. ’Tve gone up in aeroplanes and down to the bottom of the sea in a submarine, but I am not a brave enough man to attempt the job as arbitrator in a college baseball game. The Job is too haz ardous and too dangerous." What Is in a Name? Gets Boy $2,000,000 SEATTLE, May 24.—Through the action of the Superior Court here, Henry Francis Shoemaker, aged five, regained his name, ar.d his father, Henry W. Shoemaker, of Altoona, Pa..has promised that the boy shall in herit $2,000,000. The boy’s mother, for merly Mr. Shoemaker’s wife, gave the boy the name of Perry. Mr. Shoe maker wanted him to have the name given him before h* and his wife sep arated. Have You Sore Gums or Loose Teeth? A prominent dentist, after years of experience, has found a home rem edy that will cure Higgs’ disease, bleeding, inflamed and spongy guins, and tighten loose teeth by rinsing the mouth. Probably you have not enjoyed eat ing for some time Get a bottle of STYP-STRING-ANT and that dis ease of the gums and teeth will be cured; therefore, aiding digestion. 50c bottle at all druggNts. or par rel post, 55c in stamps. DeLamater- J.awrenee I>rug Company, wholesale distributors. m Cemetery Sexton Dies Amid Tombs COLUMBUS, GA., May 24.—T. D. Bartlett, sexton of Riverdtrle Ceme tery. Columbus, was found dead in the cemetery last night. A coroner’s Jury rendered a verdict that death was due to natural causes. Bartlett was 67 years of age and was well known as ft lodge man. JEROME JONES TO SPEAK. CHATTANOOGA, TENN., May 24. Jerome Jones, editor of the Atlanta Journal of Labor, will address mem bers of all local unions at the Cen tral Labor Hall Sunday afternoon. White City Park Now Open The next Bell Telephone directory goes to press May 31.” Now is the time to subscribe in order to get your name in the new book. If you wish to make changes or corrections in your listings, write to the manager, Southern Bell Telephone and Telegraph Company.