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KEY: 1—Solicitor Hugh M. Dorsey; 2—Chief of Detectives Newport Lanford; 3—Reuben R. Arnold, attorney for defense; 4—Luther Z. Rosser, attorney for defense; 5—Mrs. Leo M. Frank, wife of accused;
6—Leo M. Frank, on trial for murder; 7—Mrs. Frank, mother of accused; 8—Judge L. S. Roan, presiding.
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Continued From Page Three.
he asked. “A section of the Code says
that you can't question a man like
that unless you first present some
certain evidence of the statement
having been made or written.”
At this, Attorney Rosser sat down
and Dorsey began questioning Lee
on the redirect examination.
Q. You said something about some
body trying to put it off on you?r—A.
Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know Jim Conley? A.
I never saw him until that time last
week.
Q. Have you talked to anybody
about this?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you ever talk to this man
(indicating Arnold)?—A. Y’es, he was
over to the jail after you were.
Lee Quizzed on Diagram.
Q. The first time Frank put that
tape on the clock, did he say any
thing?—A. No.
Q. Did he say anything the second
time?—A. He made a remark about
Its taking longer.
Q. What was the reason he changed
the tape?—A. It had been used.
Q. Was it as dark in the basement
at night as it was in the daytime?—
A. Mighty near.
Solicitor Dorsey started over the
diagram drawn by Bert Green. Geor
gian staff artist, of the National Pen
cil Factory, and proceeded to ask Lee
a question and pointed at the dia
gram.
“I object to that picture” said At
torney Arnold. ‘It is nothing but
Mr. Dorsey’s theory of the case.. He's
got all kinds of marks here.”
!'Hc’s not asking about anything
but the physical appearance of the
building,” replied Judge Roan.
Solicitor Dorsey then had Newt Lee
point out the various parts of the
building shown on the diagram; Dor
sey used as a pointer Mary Phagan’s
parasol.
Q. Newt, say whether the body of I
Mary Phagan was lying the same way
when you saw It with the officers as
when you first saw it.—A. I don't
know, officers were all around it, and
1 couldn’t see very good.
Lawyers Clash Again.
Mr. Rosser took a stand directly be
hind Mr. Dorsey and objected to Dor
sey leading the witness.
“Well, this negro is not as well edu
cated as some of these lawyers,”
said Mr. Dorsey. “It takes a little
patience to get him to understand.”
"What lawyers arc you referring
to?” asked Mr. Rosser. “Do you
mean yourself?”
"Of course, myself,” ^answered Mr.
Dorsey.
Q. Was the toilet west or east from
the boiler in the basement?—A. West.
Q. Was the body west or east?—A.
The body was kinder west.
Q. Could you see Frank from that
desk up stairs?—A. No. sir
Q. Mr. Rosser asked you how far it
was from the steps leading up to the
second floor to Mr. Frank's office.
How far was it?—A. About as far as
from here to that wall across the
room.
Called Only Police.
Q. Did you call anybody on the
phone that night but the police?—A.
No. sir.
Q. Did you call Mr. Haas?—A. No,
sir.
Q. Were the shutters* on the north
side of the second floor of that build
ing closed on Saturday, April 26?—A.
Yes, sir; they were closed.
Q. Were there apartments back
there on the third floor?—A. Yes. sir.
q. Who were they for?—a. white
people.
Q. Did white people use the closet lti
the basement?—A. No. sir.
Q. Who told you to use it?—A. Mr.
Frank took me down there afid told
me to use It.
Q What did he call it?—A. He
called it a toilet.
Q. At night it is darker in the rear
of that basement than it is* outside?—
A. You can’t see inside there at all
back where the body was found.
Tries to Discount Diagram.
This ended the redirect examina
tion, and Mr. 'Rosser began the re-
cross-examination. He took up the
questioning in an effort to prove that
Lee did not understand the diagram
of the pencil factory.
‘‘What is this?" he asked, pointing
to some blue coloring representing the
blank wall.
"I don’t know, sir,” the negro re
plied.
Q. It looks like a mill pond, doesn’t
it?—A. I don’t know Just what It Is
meant for.
Q. The policemen and detectives
talked to you all the time, didn’t they?
They fired a pistol beside you; they
cussed you and they praised you.
didn’t they?—A. No sir; they didn’t
praise me none.
Q. My friend. John Black, and those
fellows talked to you day and night,
didn’t they?—A. Well. Ju>*t let me tell
you. I couldn’t sleep even for two
nights after 1 was put in Jail. They
just questioned me all the time, po
licemen and everybody.
Q. Is there any other way to get out
of the basement except by the ladder?
—A. Only the back door.
Q. Are there not some steps be
tween the boiler and the back door up
to the first floor?—A. If there are any
there I don't know it.
Black Talked to Him More.
Solicitor Dorsey at this point took
up the examination.
Q. Did Frank talk to you in jail?—
Yes. sir.
Q. Who talked longer to you, Frank
or John Black, the detective? Rosser
objected, saying the Solicitor had
gone over the Interview between
Frank and Lee and no one had re
ferred to it fince.
"We want to know if repetition is
going to be allowed,” Rosser asked
Judge Roan. “It is simply to repeat.
If we start a repeating contest we will
be here forever.”
Judge Roan overruled the objection.
Lee replied: ‘Detective Black talked
to me the most.
Q. Who talked to you longer, the
detectives or Mr. Arnold, when he
came to see you the other day?—A.
Mr. Arnold.
Newt Lee was then called off the
stand, after having been questioned
for 4 hours and 15 minutes.
Sergeant Dobbs Testifies.
Dorsey said, “Bring in L. S. Dobbs,
sergeant of policed’
Q. Where were you at about 3
o’clock April 27?—A. At the station
house.
Q. Did anything unusual happen?—
A. At about 3:25 a call came to go
to the pencil factory. When we got
there the door was locked. Later a
negro came and let us in. He said
there was a woman murdered in the
basement. The negro led the way
down, and about fifteen feet back we
found the body. She was lying with
her face down. We couldn’t tell
whether she was white or black ex
cept that her hair was light. I told
someone to turn her over. A cord
was around her neck and sunk in
her flesh. There was also a piece of
cloth. I began to look around and
found a couple of notes. One of
them read ”
Mr. Dorsey Interrupted. “Never
mind about the notes,” he said.
Identifies Cord and Cloth.
Q. I will first get you‘to identify
this cord (taking the death loop from
a suitcase).—A. That looks like it.
Q. And this (exhibiting a torn
piece of cloth)?—A. It is.
Q. Was there much blood?—A. Very
little.
Q. Was the hair bloody?—A. Very
little; l had to almost reach the skin
to feel blood.
Q. Was it moist?—A. Dry.
Q. Are these the notes you found
near the body? (Exhibiting notes.)—
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A. Yes.
Q. And this pad?—A. Yes.
Q. How were they lying?—A. Near
the head.
Q. Were they close together?—A.
Yes.
Q. What did you do with Lee?—A.
Took him to the station.
Q. What was his bearing?—A. Cool.
Q. Mr. Dobbs, look at this (pointing
to diagram of factory); point where
the body was found?—A. Right here.
(Indicating spot.)
Rosser—“I object to that picture
until the witness says it is a fair
representation of the building.”
Judge Roan—"I sustain the objec
tion.”
Dorsey—"Is it a fair representation
of the building?”
A. It is.
Dorsey: “That’s All.”
Rosser After Details.
Rosser took up the cross-examina
tion.
Q. The negro told you she vras a
white woman?—A. Yes.
Q. You had to look very closely to
find out?—A. Yes.
Q. What kind of light did you have ?
—A. We lit some gas jets and had
lanterns.
Q. You found the notes under the
sawdust?—A. Yes.
Q. You were not able to see them
until you raked in the sawdust?—A.
No. sir.
Q. Was the note attached to the
pad?—A. No. *
Q. How far from the child's head
was the first note?—A. Not over eight
or ten inches.
Q. What note did you find first. A.
The white one.
Q. Did you find much trash in the
building?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you find other notes?—A.
No.
Q. Did you search?—A. Yes, we
were looking for the shoe, you know.
Q. Where was the shoe found?—A.
Some one else found them.
Q. What was the condition of the
child’s face?—A. You mean about
dust?
Q. No; was there any indication
that she was dragged?—A. I thought
there was.
Q. Lee did become excited become
he left the factory?—A. Yes.
Q. From the place where Lee stood,
could he have seen the body?—A
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Yes; part of it.
Q. Didn’t you make any experiment
in the day time to see whether Lee
could see the body?—A. Yes.
Q. Could you?—A. Yes, sir; the feet
and part of the legs.
Q. I asked you if you said the evi
dences of dragging did not begin im
mediately in front of the elevator?—
A. No, I said it appeared to me to be
gin immediately in front of the ele
vator.
Q. As a matter of fact, you didn’t
find the hat and the shoes close to
gether?—A. The hat and the shoes
were on the garbage pile.
Q. Th,e floor was rough and one
being dragged over it would be
scarred up?—A. Yes.
Q. Captain, you are mistaken about
the wound being on the right side
of the head, aren’t you?—A. I won’t
be positive. It was near the rear of
the head.
Q. Was the blood wet or dry?—A.
Dry.
Q. This little trail which you
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