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THE ATLANTA OEORCIAN AND NEWS
HOW CONLEY SAYS HE AND FRANK WENT TO THE FACTORY
show Indigestion?—A. No. Very many
people have indigestion several years
and don't know it. They don’t even
fee) it themselves.
Q. How long does the stomach take
to free itself when it is full?—A. That
has been' investigated rather thor
oughly. but it varies. I would say
about 7 1-2 hours.
Q. How long does it take some sub
stance that the stomach does not di
gest to pass out?—A. That is hard
to say. They probably pass through
in a foreign body
Q. How long would it take?—A.
That depends. The stomach doesn t
like to free itself of meat until it is
emulsified. Then it goes out vert
freely.
About Digestion of Cabbage.
Q. That is just the point. Does
the stomach emulsify cabbage or
corn?—A. Oh. yes; there is always a
constant churning motion.
Q. How about corn?—A. It might
pass through without emulsifying.
Q. Peas?—A. Yes.
Q. You would not attempt to enu
merate what vegetables would pa.«s
through the stomach to the intestines?
A. No. I would not.
Q. Is it not a fact that the first
knowledge of digestion comes from
that Canadian case?—A. Yes.
Q. Is it not a fact that the only
experiments before that time were
made on rabbits and other animals
for vegetables, and animals for meat?
A. Yes.
Q. Is there any animal that eats
everything that man does?—A. Yes,
the swine.
Q. Any other?—A I rather think
the cat does.
Q. Well, isn’t the wildcat a carniv
orous animal strictly?—A. I don’t
know. I never associated with one.
Q. You will admit that the experi
ments along this line are very limited
with the exception of that Canadian
case?—A. Yes.
Processes Not All Understood.
Q. It is practically in its infancy?—
A. Well, I would not say that. We
are fairly familiar with the various
juices and the ^process of digestion.
Hut there is still much to learn.
Q. Just what part does the mouth
and saliva play in connection with
the stomach and the gastric juices,
and the lower bowels? Is not this
something that is not definitely
known?—A. Yes, that is true.
Q. Don’t you practice vivisection on
these animals?—A. Yes.
Q. And you have never done it on
humans, and you don’t know how the
processes take place in the human
like you do in the animals?—A. Ex
cept with the stomach.
Q. What is the hardest vegetables
to digest? I mean, leaving your ex
periments and speaking from the
viewpoint of science.—A. I don't know
that science has ever determined that.
Q. Isn’t cabbage regarded as one of
the hardest vegetables to digest?—A.
I probably have heard that. It may
be that after cabbage has gone
through the stomach, trouble may be
caused in the small intestines that
may be what has given the geenral
idea that cabbage is hard to digest.
Q, Didn’t you say when you first
testified that you couldn’t tell any
thing about the bread in the stom
ach?—A. I don’t think I made that
statement.
Mr. Arnold read his testimony
previously given.
Dr. Harris: "If I said that, I did
not mean it in that sense. I meant
that you could tell nothing about it
by observing with the naked eye.”
Q. You said it was impossible to
state absolutely how long that cab
bage had been in Mary Phagan’s
stomach?—A. I meant I could not
state within a minute.
Q. Could you tell within two min
utes?—A. No, not within 3, or 4, or 5.
Probably not within 10 minutes. But
I could tell that it was somewhere
between 30 and 45 minutes.
Q. Doesn’t it all depend on how
much digestion is delayed?—A. To an
extent.
Q. All you are attempting to say,
then, is that the process of digestion
had only gone on a certain length of
time?—A. Yes.
Q. Didn’t you say that certain cir
cumstances retard digestion?—A.
Yes. but I didn’t say that anything
could retard the flow of the digestive
No one has ever shown that
juices.
anything could retard the process of
I digestion.
Head Wound Not Serious.
Q. I believe you said that wound
on the head did not cause any pres
sure on the brain?—A. Yes.
Q. Was it cut through to the skull?
—A. Yes.
Q. What arteries were there?—A.
Only some trifling blood vessels.
Q. I believe you said it might have
bled, a good deal?—A. Yes, it might.
A cut on the head usually causes a
good deal of blood to flow.
Q. I believe you said it was not
sufficient to have caused death?—A.
Yes, I did.
Solicitor Dorsey then took the wit
ness.
Q. Mr. Arnold was asking you yes
terday about poisons. Was there any
evidence on the mucous membrane of
poisons?—A. There could not have
been any irritant poisons. Their evi
dence is always unmistakable.
Dr. Harris was excused.
Dorsey addressed the court: "Your
honor, I wish to tender these samples
of cabbage as evidence.”
Arnold—We want to object to all
except that taken from Mary Phagan.
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Important bits of Dr Harris’ testi
tnony and had put into the record Dr
Child’s testimony in rebuttal. Arnold
asked the witness if he. in .all his
medical experience, had ever known
of a physician of repute giving his
opinion as to the unconsciousness »f
a person with no more data th^jn had
been in the possession of Dr. Harris.
Dr. Childs replied that he never
had.
The mysterious C B. Dalton, who
was expected to make sensational
revelations of incidents in which Leo
Prank was alleged to have partici
pated in the National Pencil Fac
tory. proved a very tabe and common
place witness when he was called
Thursday.
The most that Dalton could say
was that, on several of his visits to
the factory, he had seen women in
Prank’s office. Ho told of no com
promising situations. He was not
even able to identify the women. He
did not know whether or not they
were members of Frank’s own fam
ily. All that he knew was that they
did not appear to be stenographers
as he never saw’ them writing.
Dalton, when he was questioned by
Luther Rosser, was not even sure
of his own birthplace. He thought it
was somewhere in Laurens County
He explained his presence by saying
that he had gone to the factory with
n Miss Daisy Hopkins. He said that
he saw Frank in the office with two
or three women, and that cool drinks
generally were in evidence. On one
occasion he said 'Frank and his visi
tors were drinking beer.
Detective Rosser on the Stand.
Detective Bass Rosser was on the
witness stand for a few minutes and
was questioned briefly. He testified
that w’hen lie saw Mrs. Arthur White
the Monday after the ('rime she failed
to tell him that she had seen a ne
gro In the factory the Saturday the
girl was killed. He said he did not
get possession of this information
until May 6 or 7. It !s tne contention
of the State that the defense sup
pressed theue farts.
At the conclusion of Detective Ros-
ser’.«i testimony, Solicitor Dorsey an
nounced that he was prepared to rest
as soon as Dr. H. F. Harris had com
pleted the testimony which was in
terrupted by adjournment Wednes
day afternoon. Dr. Harris was unable
to appear when court opened at 9
o’clock. The prosecution had nothing
more to present at 9:45 and a re
cess was taken until Dr. Harris ar
rived at 11:10.
Reuben Arnold began at once on
a cross-examination of Dr. Harris as
soon as the physician took the stand.
He forced Dr. Harris to say that there
Is much uncertainty in drawing con
clusions about digestive functions and
their time limitations.
Solicitor Dorsey also asked for the
submission of the National Pencil
Company’s cash book and bank book
before he rested his case. This was
agreed to by Frank’s lawyers.
One of the most interesting pieces
of evidence for the purpose of demon
stration in the possession of the de
fense Is a large-si zed model of the
National Pencil Company constructed
on an accurate scale.
Frank Chats With Family.
Frank chatted with his wife and
mother in the intermission while the
court was awaiting Dr. Harris, and a
little later engaged in conversation
with his attorneys. Dr. Childs enter
ed the courtroom and talked several
minutes with the defendant.
Mr. Arnold said:
"Further than this witness I don’t
know’ what line w*e will pursue at
present.”
"Did you ever work for the National
Pencil Factory?” was the first ques
tion the Solicitor asked Dalton.
Mr. Arnold interrupted.
“Your honor,” he said, "we want it
understood that we object to this tes
timony—all of it.”
Judge Roan overruled the objection.
"Well, we want our objection re
corded,” said Rosser.
Dorsey continued his questioning.
“Do you know Leo Frank and Jim
Conley?" continued the Solicitor. A.
Yes; I know them both.
Q Were you ever in the factory of
the National Pencil Company?—A.
Yes; two or three times.
Q. Did you ever go to Frank’s of
fice with Miss Daisy Hopkins?—A.
Yes.
Was in Basement.
Q. Was Frank there?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you ever go down in the
basement?—A. Yes.
The witness then pointed out on
the diagram the spot he was in in
the basement.
Q Did you ever see Conley on those
visits?—A. Yes; and one time I saw
another negro, a watchman.
Q. Did Fn nk know you were in
the basement?—A. Ik' knew’ I was in
the factory. I don’t know w’hether he
knew I was In the basement or not.
Dorsey then turned the witness over
to the defense for the cross-exami
nation.
"When ^ as the first time you saw
Frank at the pencil factory?” asked
Mr. Rosser.
"I^ast fall some time.”
Q. Where was Frank at that time?
—A. At his office.
Q. Who was in there with him?—A.
Some ladles.
Q. Were there any other men In
there with him?—A. No; he was the
only man
Q. Who was you with?—A. Miss
Daisy Hopkins.
Q. Do you know the names of the
ladles in the office with Mr. Frank?—
A. No.
Q. Where did you go?—A. I went to
the basement.
Q. Was Miss Daisy with you?—A.
Yes.
Q. When did you go to the factory
again?—A. Right before Christmas.
Q Who Introduced you to Frank?—
A. Miss Daisy Hopkins.
Q. She Just said to Mr. Frank. “This
is my friend, Mr. Dalton,” did she?—
A Vt-s.
Went to Basement.
Q. You were never in his office aft
er Christmas?—A. No.
Q. When you went into the factory
with Miss Daisy, you went down to
the basement with her» didn’t you?—
A. Yes.
Q. Where did you go down into the
basement?—A. We went down the
ladder by the elevator.
Q. Where did you go in the base
ment?—A. Right to where there were
some boxes in the little room in the
rear.
Q. Where did you live last year?—•
A. No. 337 East Hunter street.
Q. Who did you work for?—A. Mr.
Heflin, a contractor.
Q. Where did you work after that?
—A. With Captain John McGinnis.
Q. What time did you see Frank in
his office?—A. Some time between 2
and 3 o’clock.
Q. Were the window’s up?—A. I
don’t know.
Q. Did you see any curtains?—A
No, but the office wag very light.
Q. There were two windows in each
office, weren't there?—A. Yes.
Q. Do you know whether there was
anyone else in the factory when you
saw Mr. Frank?—A. Yes; the negroes
were there.
Saw Negro Watchman.
Q. What time at night was It when
the night watchman was there?—A. I
don’t know.
Q. Was it a negro watchman?—A.
Y es.
Q Was that this year?—A. No.
Q. Were you ever In Walton Coun
ty?—A. I lived there twenty years.
Q. How long were you away from
there?—A. 1 went to Lawrencevfile
for about a year.
Q. How long ago?—A. I don't know.
I forget Just how long ago it was.
Q. Did you ever go with anyone to
the pencil factory except Miss Daisy
Hopkins?—A. Yes. I used to go to the
Busy Bee and wait for the factory’ to
close to walk home with the girls.
Q. Can you name the girls?—A.
Yes; Miss I^aura Atkinson and a Miss
Laura Smith, of No. 148 South Pryor
street.
Q. Do you go there any more?—A
No; 1 haven’t been to the Busy Bee
in a long time.
Q. Where were you bom?—A. I
don’t know.
W. When you first woke up, where
were you?—A. Somewhere in Walton
County.
Gave Conley Money.
Q. As a matter of fact, you know
where your family lived when you
were horn, don’t you?—A. Somewhere
near Law renceville.
Solicitor Dorsey took the witness on
the redirect examination.
Q. Did you ever give Jim Conley
anything?—A. Sometimes I would give
him a quarter and sometimes 50
rents. Sometimes they would have
cold drinks, and sometimes they
would have beer.
Rosser took the witness again.
Q. When did you see beer there?—
A. On Saturday afternoons—I don’f
remember the dates.
Q. Can you name specifically any
time last fall that you went there?—
A. Not the day, hut it was some time
after 2 o’clock in the afternoon. Mr.
Frank would have the cold drinks on
a waiter in his office.
Can't Give Women’s Names.
Q. And that is ag definite as you
can fix it?—A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know’ the women be
sides the ones you name?—A. No.
Q. Can you describe them?—A. No.
“Come down.”
City Detective S. L. Rosser took the
stand.
Q. Since April 26. have you been
engaged in this case?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you visit Mrs. Arthur White
subsequent to that date?—A. Yes.
Q. At what time?—A. Monday, April
Starnes and Chief Beavers,” said Dor
sey.
Judge Roan ruled that he would let
them go to the jury.
Dorsey:
State's Case Nearly Finished.
"Now, I want the cash book and
the bank book of the National Pencil
Company.”
Arnold said they would be fur
nished.
Dorsey:
"I want it understood as soon as
Dr. Harris is able to complete his tes
timony the State is ready to rest its
case.”
"Mr. Dorsey,” said Arnold, "will you
tell Mr. Dalton not to leave. We may
want to recall him.”
Judge Roan declared a recess until
Dr. Harris could reach the court. He
said it would be about 10 o’clock.
Dalton Recalled for Moment.
Dorsey recalled the witness.
Q. Were you ever in the pencil fac
tory with Daisy Hopkins?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you go to the factory with
her?—A. Yes.
Q. Where was Frank?—A. fn his
office.
Q. Where did you go?--A. In the
basement.
Q. Did he know you were there?—
A. Yes.
Q. Did Conley know you were there?
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Q. Who else?—A. The night watch
man at one time.
Court then had a recess until Dr.
H. F. Harris, who was excused from
the witness stand Wednesday on ac
count of illness, could arrive in court.
The recess lasted for more than an
hour. Dr. Harris, w’hen he arrived
upon the stand, was questioned upon
cross-examination by Attorney Reu
ben Arnold.
Q. Unfavorable circumstances some
times retard digestion, don’t they?—
A. Well, that is a very grave matter,
and there is so little data on the sub
ject it is hard to answer.
About External Circumstances.
Q. You would not say then that
external circumstances, some undue
mental excitement, might delay di
gestion?—A. I really don’t know.
There was an old Roman proverb
that a person should take a walk aft
er eating. Others say sleeping after
a meal aids digestion.
Q. T^hen there is no set rule for di
gestion? Everybody is a rule unto
themselves?—A. Not altogether. The
average normal stomach is about the
same in digestion.
Q. There is no indication on tht
outside of the body that would indi
cate how far digestion has gone?—A
None whatever.
O. Don’t the pulse or temperature
Q. Did she say anything about see
ing a negro at the pencil factory Sat
urday?—A. No.
Q. What was the first time she
mentioned to you seeing a negro at
the factory?—A. May 6.
"I want to record an objection to
that, your honor,” said Rosser.
Rosser took the witness.
She Made Statement.
Q. Did you ask her?—A. No; but
she made a statement.
Dorsey took the witness on redi
rect.
Q. Did you take anything to Dr.
Claude Smith?—A. Yes; some chips.
Q. Are these the chips?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you make a search of the
areaway around the elevator?—A.
Yes.
Q. Did you find anything like this
(showing the bludgeon alleged to have
been found by the Pinkertons)?—A.
No.
Q. Would you have found it?—A.
Yes.
Attorney Rosser took the witness
again.
Q. Don’t you know this roller has
been in that factory two years?—A. It
may have been, but it was not on
the first floor when we made our
search.
State Wins Ruling.
Q. You made a good search’—A.
Yes.
Q. Do you know these are the same
chips?—A. Yes, I am sure of that.
The witness was excused.
Dorsey addressed the court:
"I don’t know whether we tendered
that bloody shirt or not. If we did
not, 1 want to tender It new. I also
want to enter these chips."
Attorney Rosser:
"They haven’t been identified.”
"They were identified by Detective
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