Newspaper Page Text
nuns g nrungu upcra zj
Shepherd Device Insures safety in railway travel.
Demonstration by train at Oakland City, 3 p. m., Saturday. Take
East Point car.
TTTTC ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NFAVS.
DAISY HOPKINS DENIES VISITING PENCIL FACTORY WITH DALTON
Girl Mentioned by Conley Swears That Leo Frank Never Spoke to Eer
STREET CAR CREW TELL
MRS. LEO FRANK PHOTOGRAPHED AS
SHE LEAVES COURTHOUSE IN AUTO
A. No; I left her on the ear.
y Did this little boy, Epp», get
LFACTORY
Continued From Page 1.
pipe Company, appeared at the
conrthousc under subpen of the
defense to discredit the story of
Albert McKnight. McKnipht tes
tified that he was at Frank’s
home the afternoon of the mur
der and that he saw T Frank hoard
a Georgi avenue cr to return to
the fotory.
Hinchey stated before he went on
the .«*tand that he was riding In his :
automobile on Washington atreet |
Memorial Day and at 2:15 o’clock he
saw Prank get off a Washington
street car at Washington and Hunter j
streets when the car was stalled by
the parade. Prank then was on his
way to the factory.
Earlier In the day the defense In
troduced other evidence to discredit
McKnlght. Photographs and blue
prints of the Selig home were dis
played to show that It would have |
been practically Impossible for Mo-
Knight to s°c Prank at the sideboard,
as the negro testified when he was on
the stand.
Photos and Model# Introduced.
Photographs and blue prints of th"
pencil factory also were put In evi
dence and In the afternoon a large
f«ized model of the pencil factor/,
constructed on a scale of three-eights
of an inch to the foot, was brought
into the court room. It was made by
T H. Willett, a patternmaker, of No.
100 Highland avenue, and John Cox,
an attache of Reuben Arnold’s office.
The model and blue prints were
submitted In an effort to demonstrate
that the State's theory of the crime
is unreasonable and preposterous, and
to illustrate the theory that the de
fense holds.
Attorney Arnold, who was conduct
ing the examination during the fore
noon. sought also to throw a deep
shadow of suspicion upon the story
of young George Epps, ho testified
that he rode uptown with Mary Pha
gan the day she was killed.
Matthews said that another girl
was seated with Mary the latter part
of the ride to town. He did not recol
lect that EppM was on the car at all.
The motorman said that he was re
lieved at Broad and Marietta street?
and that he sat behind Mary and her
companion all the way to Hunter
Btreet He said the two alighted at
Hunter street and proceeded toward
Forsyth, on which the factory Is lo
cated.
This Is in direct contradiction to
the story of Epps, who testified that
he and Mary left the car at For
syth and Marietta streets and that
he walked with her toward the fac
tory as far as the viaduct.
Didn’t See Epps.
Hollis did not remember seeing
Epps on the car. He said Mary was
alone when he collected her fare aft
er the car got on English avenue. He
left the car at Forsyth and Marietta
streets and did not see Mary Phagan
alight there.
Albert Kauffman, an architect, was
called to discredit several of the
State's witnesses. He had blueprints
of the Selig home which » displayed 1
to the Jury to show that it was im
possible for Albert McKnlght to have
seen from the kitchen into the din
ing room, as he testified he did. on
the Saturday afternoon that Frank
came home from the factory.
His testimony was to the effect that
Monteen Stover could not have seen
over the safe door Into'Frank's office
at the time she declared she was un
able to find him on her visit to the
factory.
He said that there was room for
several todies to pass down the scut
tle hole into the basement. He ex
hibited a diagram of the factory to
show that Frank could have sat 1»
his office and not been aware of any
thing taking place beyond the time
clock -for example, anyone coming up
or going down the stairs.
Miss Daisy Hopkins, who C. B. Dal
ton said was hlg companion on visits
to the fartqry basement, was called
by the defense and denied Dalton’s
statements.
She said she never had spoken to
Prank, and that Frank never had spo
ken to her
Solicitor Dorsey made an attack od
her character and forced her to ad
mit she had been In Jail on a statu
tory charge. It was brought out
however, that she was released with
out trial.
Frank, for the first time during the
trial, took ana ctive part in helping
direct the course his case was taking
He arose from his seat several times
to make suggestions to his lawyers,
and at his request certain questions
were put.
Before Daisy Hopkins was called
Solicitor Dorsey said he wanted to
ask Harry Scott one more question.
Attorney Rosser said he also wanted
to ask one more question of Boots
Rogers, Detective J. M. Starnes and
George Epps. Detective Scott was
the first witness called.
Dorsey asked:
Q. Mr. Scott, how long did It take
you to get Jim Conley to write after
he had admitted that he could write 1
and you dictated it- to him without
delay?—A. Two or three minutes.
Daisy Hopkins on Stand.
Miss Hopkins is a woman of very
small feature*-!, with bright, keen eyes
and wore a cotton striped dress that
looked a bit too short. She wore
white shoes and stockings. Mr. Ar
nold began the questioning:
Q Did you ever work for the Na
tional Pencil Company?—A. Yes, I
went to work there about October
1, 1911, and quit June 1, 1912.
y. What department?—A. Packing
department.
Q. What floor?—A. Second floor.
Q. How many other girls worked
there?—A. Sometimes there were as
many as ten.
y. Did you know Leo M. Frank?—
A. I knew him when I saw him. I
saw him paiw around the factorv
Q. Did he ever speak to you?—A.
No. never in my life
Denies Drinking in Frank’s Office.
Q. Did you ever go into Frank’s
office and drink beer and cold drinks
with other women? A. No. 1 never
went into his office and 1 don’t drink.
Q. Do you know C. B. Dalton?—A.
I know’ him when I see him.
Q. Did you ever speak to him?—A.
I went to his home once to see his
sister and spoke to him. That is the
only time.
y. Did you ever go to the pencil
factory with Dalton?—A. No, 1 never
did.
Q. Did you introduce him to Mr.
The wife of
the defendant
in the Phagan
case is always
among the first
to reach the
courtroom
in the morning.
off there?—A. No.
I Q. How long did it take to get
from Broad and Marietta to Huntei
I street—A. About 2 1-2 minutes, us a
; rule.
! y. Do you recollect how she was
dressed7—A. No.
y. You don't know whether these
are jhe clothes?—A. No; 1 never
noticed.
Attorney Hooper took the witness
on cross-examination.
y. There was nothing unusuai
about her coming in that day, was
there?—A. No.
y. There was no particular reason
w hy you should remember these
things, is there?—A. No.
Never Ahead ©t Time, He Says.
y. You don’t know whether these
are her clothes, or not, do you?—A.
No.
y. You always notice when any
thing happens to throw you off your
schedule, don’t you?—A. Yes.
Q. But you don’t pay any atten
tion to being a few minutes ahead
of time, do you?—A. We don’t ever
come in town ahead of time.
Q. Are you ever late?—A. Yes;
sometimes.
Q. Was there anyone sitting with
Mary Phagan on the car?—A. No.
y. You didn’t see a little girl sit
ting beside her?—A. No. When I
got her fare, she was sitting alone,
as I remember.
Q. She usually came down early in
the morning—factory hours—didn’t
she?—A. Yes; she usually caught the
car that gets to town at 7:07. She
said she was fifteen minutes late
when she caught that car, when she
said she was mad.
Q. Which end of the car did she
get on?—A. The front end.
Q. Which end were you on?—A.
The back end.
y. And you say you overheard a
conversation between her and the
motorman?—A. Yes; he asked her if
she was mad, and she said yes, she
was late.
Said She Was Late.
Q. She went down early in the
morning, as a rule? Yet, when she
said she was late, it was ten min
utes to 12 o’clock?—A. Yes.
Attorney Arnold took the witness
on the redirect examination.
Q. Are the cars on this line long
or short?—A. Short cars.
Q. Was there any difficulty in
hearing what was said on the front
ond when the car was standing still?
A. No.
Q. No such thing as being ahead of
time ever happens?—A. No. sir; it is
against the rules of the company.
Attorney Hooper took the witness
again.
Q. Do you mean to say that you
obey the rules of the company so
well that you are never ahead of time
nor never a little late?—A. It isn’t
against the rules of the company to
be late.
Q. Then you are never early—not
even when going to the barn?—A. It
isn’t against the rules of the company
to oome in ahead of time when going
to the barn, so long as you don’t run
reckless.
y. Th» elevator to the chute? First,
th dimensions?—A. * feet wide, 15
feet long.
Q. Was that large enough for a
human body to go down?—A. One or
several.
Q. How far from the elevator Is
it?—A. About 30 feet.
y. How far is the back door from
the elevator?— A. 165 feet.
y. The total length of.the building?
—A. 200 feet.
y. What are the widths of the
walls?—A. Four feet.
Q. What kind of a bunk is in that
inclosure back there by the boiler?
A. A big box.
y. What is in it?—A. All kinds of
trash.
y. How far is the trash pile from
the spot where the body was found?—
A. Sixty-one feet.
Q. The toilet?—A. Twenty-one
feet.
Q. From the back door?—A. For
ty-two feet.
Q. What about the line of vision
from the toilet to where the body
was found?—A. An angle of 43 de
grees.
Q. How far would the line of vision
throw you from this partition?—A.
About 3 feet.
Q. Could you see a body there?—
A. Not all of it.
Q. Is it an accurate plan of the
first floor?—A. Yes.
y. What is the width of the from
door?—A. Six feet.
y. What is the length of this
partition from the front door?—A.
Twenty-six feet.
Q. From the front door to the
stairway, how far lis it—A. Thirty-
six feet.
y. From the staircase to the ele
vator shaft?—A. Thirteen feet.
Q. From the stairway to this hole?
—A. Ten and one-half feet.
y. Is there a long hallway on the
first floor?—A. Yes.
Trap Door Near Tragic Spot.
Q. Does it extend to the west end
of the building?—A. Yes
Q. What is it used for?—A. Maybe
a storeroom.
Q. Was it closed?—A. Yes.
Q. What was in there?—A. Two
toilets.
Q. How far back?—A. About 90
feet.
Q. Is this the spot directly over
where the body was found?—A. 'Yes.
Q. What did you find on the right-
hand side, next to the toilet?—A. A
trap door.
Q. Were there steps?—A. Yes.
Q. How near to this chute was the
body found?—A. About 20’feet.
Q. When the trap is open, where
does it lead to?—A. To the base
ment.
Q. What Is It used for?—A. To
send boxes down.
Q. Did you observe th" door of the
safe when it stood open in the outer
office?—A. Yes.
Q. To what extent did it close off
the view to the inner office?—A. En
tirely.
jQ. Could you see over that safe
door?—A. Yes.
Q. Could a girl?—A. I don’t thina
so.
Q. To the right of the door in the
inner office, what did you find?—A.
A desk.
Q. Are there two windows there?—
A. Yes.
Q. They open on the street, don’t
they?—A. Yes.
Office 150 Feet From Dressing Room.
Q. This is Frank’s desk?—A. Yes.
Q. A person on the other side of
the street could see the desk, couldn’t
they?—A. Yes.
Q. How far is it from Frank’s of
fice to the dressing room?—A. One
hundred and fifty feet.
Q. What kind of a view is it from
Prank’s office to the stairway?—A.
None at all.
Q What kind of a view* of the
clock?—A. He could see about one-
quarter of the first clock.
Q. What are these open spaces
(pointing to the diagram)?—A. Pas
sage ways.
Q. How wide are the doors to the
metal room?—A. Six feet.
Q. How far from that door is it to
the ladies’ room?—A. About 10 feet.
Frank Makes Suggestion.
Q. From that point how far is it
to the lathe?—A. Twenty feet.
Q. From this lathe to the point
where Conley said he found the body?
—A. Thirty-seven feet.
Q. How far from the ladies’ toilet’
—A. Nineteen feet.
Here Frank arose from his seat
and walked across to Attorney Ros
ser to make a suggestion for a ques
tion.
Q What is the size of these vats?—
A. Six by four.
Q. Could you get a girl into one
of these?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you find in this whole build-
Continued on Page 4. Column 1.
Funeral Designs and Flowers
FOR ALL OCCASIONS.
Atlanta Floral Company
455 EAST FAIR STREET.
EARST’S SUNDAY
AMERICAN is the
Real Estate Medium of the
South. It is read by a half
million persons each issue —
covering the entire Southland.
Frank?—A. No, I did not.
Q. Did you ever' go into the factory
and go into the b isement with Dal
ton?—A. No, I don’t even know where
the basement is. I never have been
in it.
Says She Was Married.
Dorsey took the witness on cross-
examination.
y. Were you ever married?—A.
Yes.
y. Where?—A. Redair.
Q. Who did you marry?—A. E. A.
Sills.
y. Who married you?—A. Preacher
Miles.
Q. Who is your doctor?—A. Dr.
Pound.
Q. What is he treating you for?—A.
Stomach trouble.
y. Were you ever in jail?—A- No
y. Do you know this man here.
Garner, my deputy?—A. No.
y Did he get you out of jail?—A
No. he was along.
Q. What were you charged with?—
A. Somebody told tales on me.
y. Who brought you down here?—
A. Mr Burke.
•’Bill” Smith Her Lawyer.
Arnold took the witness on the
redirect.
y. Who got you out of jail?—A.
My lawyer.
y. Did you pay anything?—A. I
only paid my lawyer his fee.
y. Who was your lawyer?—A. Mr.
] Bill Smith.
W. M. Mathews, motorman on the
English Avenue car on which Man’
Phagan is supposed to have come to
town from her home. Saturday, April
26. followed Miss Hopkins on the
stand. •
y. What was your run on April 26?
—A. English avenue that runs to
| Bell wood.
y. What time did you pass Lind
say street?—A. Ten minutes to 12.
y. Was that on schedule?—A. Yes
Q. Did a little girl named Mary
Phagan get on at Lindsay street?—A.
Yes.
Sat Behind Mary Phagan.
Q. What is the distance from Lin I-
say street to Broad street?—A. About
two miles.
Q. What time did you get to Mari
etta and Broad streets?—A. At
12:07 1-2. We were on time.
y. Do you recollect where this lit
tle girl got off?—A. At Broad and
Hunter streets.
Q. What time did you reach that
point?—A. About two and one-ha’f
minutes later. It took that long on
account of the crowds.
y. It took that long?—A. Y'es, I
was not running the car then. I was
sitting behind Mary Phagan. There
was a little girl on the seat with h^r.
y. Where did she get off?—At
Broad and Hunter streets.
Q. What time was it thtin?—A.
12:10 as near as I could recollect.
Q. Where did she go when she got
off?—A. She walked to the siuewal i
with the girl that was with her.
Q. Did you see this little girl get
on the car?—A. Yes.
Q v Did a little boy get on the car
with" her?—A. No.
Didn’t See Epps Boy.
Q. Do you know this little boy
Epps?- A. Yes.
y. Did he get on the car with her?
A. No.
y. He didn’t sit on the seat with
her?—A. No; 1 didn’t see him.
Dorsey took the witness.
Q. You said you arrived at Broad
and Hunter streets at about 12:10
o’clock. Why do you say about 12:10
if you are sure of it?—A. It was about
that time.
y. Didn’t you tell Detective Whit
field, of the Pinkertons, that you
might have been three or four min
utes ahead of schedule?—A. No.
Q. You are sure you never told him
that?—A. No.
y. How is it that yon are willing
to tell this jury that Mary Phagan
did not get t * fit at Marietta and Ln .<1
streets?—A. Wait a minute and I will
tell you. There was an ex-conduc
tor sitting by me. He had a pin on
his coat 1 took it off and leaning
over to Mary Phagan 1 said: “Little
girl, this is your picture.’’ She said:
"No, it ain’t.” That made me positive
Q Tell me how these little girls
were dressed?—A. I don’t remember,
except they were dressed in some
thing light.
Q. Well, tell us anything that Mary
Phagan had on?—A. 1 don't know
anything except site hud on a dres^
and hat.
Q. Yes. she had on shoes and stock
ings, too?- A. Yes. and her dress was
light colored.
Q. You didn’t see George Epps?—A.
No. 1 didn't see him.
Q Would you know George Epps if
you were to see him?—A. I would
know him if I were to see him now.
y. Tell me one thing about him by
which you can identify him?—A. I
can’t remember.
y. What color was Mary Phagan’s
hat?—A. It was light color.
y. You say it was a light color.
Just what color was it?—A. I don't
know.
Q. What did you say light color
for? Come, don’t
Arnold Calls Halt.
Attorney Arnold interrupted.
“Just wait a minute. That is not
the form to question him.’’
‘All right, I'll put the question dif
ferently." said Dorsey.
y. Mr. Matthews, you did not ob
serve what color her clothes were?
A. No, sir.
Q. What time did you hear about
her murder?—A. Sunday morning.
Q. What time did you go down to
identify her?—A. About 6:45 in the
afternoon.
y. You recognized her as the lit
tie girl you had carried down the day
before?—A. Y'es.
Q. How.did you recognize her?—A.
Well, I knew her. On e day she was
late and 1 waited for her and she said
she was mad because she was late.
Every time after that I would ask
her if she was mad.
Fails on Color of Hat.
Attorney Arnold took the witness
and showed him the dress Mary Pha
gan wore.
y. Was this the dress she wore
that day?—A. I am not sure, but it
looks like it might have been.
Solicitor Dorsey took the witness.
He showed the witness Mary Pha-
gan’s hat.
Q. Is this the light hat you Just
now told the jury Mary Phagan had
on? (The hat was of dark lavender
material.)
Q. The girl you saw had on a
light hat?—A. That’s what I remem
ber.
The witness was excused, and W. T
Hollis, conductor on the English ave
nue car on which the Phagan girl
rode to town Saturday, April 26, took
the witness stand. Arnold examined
him.
Q. What Is your business?—A
Street car conductor.
Q Where were you on April 26?—
A. On the English avenue and Coop
er street line.
Q Did you cross Lindsay street?—
A. Y'es.
Conductor Saw Girl.
Q. On what street?—A. Bellwood
avenue.
Q. How many miles is it from
this point to the heart of the city?—
A. I couldn’t say.
Q. What time do you leave the
other end of the line?—A. On the
hour, quarter and half.
y. What time did the car that left
at 15 minutes to 12 get to the city?—
A. It took 22 1-2 minutes.
Q. Did the little girl get on at
Lindsay street?—A. Yes.
y Did you know her name then?—
A. No.
Q. When did you see her again?—
A The next day at the morgue.
Q. Did this little boy. George Epps,
get on the car and ride with her?—
A. No: he was not with her when
I collected the fare.
Q. Was the car crowded?—A.
There were only three passengers.
Q. What time did you get to Broad
and Marietta streets?—A. About
12:07 1-2.
Epps Boy Didn't Get Off.
Q Where did you get off?—A.
At Marietta and Forsyth streets.
y. Did this little girl get off there?—
Q. And that day you brought Mary
Phagan in was your last trip?—A.
Yes.
Defense Turns Over Books.
Attorneys for the defense at this
juncture turned over to the prosecu
tion the cash book and the bank book
of the National Pencil Company. Hol
lis was excused and Albert Kauffman,
an engineer, who drew a plot and dia
gram of the Selig residence where
Frank resided, took the stand.
He was examined by Attorney Ar
nold.
Q. What is your business?—A. Civil
engineer.
Q. Have you made a drawing of the
Selig residence on Georgia avenue?—
A. Y'es.
Q. When?—A. Last week.
Q. Did you make a plat of the
kitchen, the dining room, the recep
tion hall, the parlor and the hall?—A.
Yes.
Q. How many feet is it from the
kitchen door to th e passageway?—A
Fourteen feet.
Couldn’t See Mirror.
Q. How wide is the passageway?—•
A. Two and one-half feet wide and
about two feet long.
Q. Did you stand in the kitchen door
and see if you could se<» the mirror
in the dining room?—A. Yes.
Q. Could you see it?—A. No. No
part of the glass was visible.
Q. Were you present when a pho
tographer took views of the place?—
A. Yes.
Q. Standing on the south side of
that door, did you see the sideboard?
A. Not within two or three feet of it.
Q. Have you drawn a plat of Geor
gia avenue?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you draw a diagram of the
block bounded by Pulliam street?—A.
Yes.
Q. How far Is It from the Selig
home to Pulliam street?—A. 221 feet.
Q. How far to Washington street?
A. 175 feet.
Q. What does this represent? (A
diagram of the pencil factory was
displayed.)—A. That is th e pencil fac
tory.
Gives Dimensions of Factory.
Q. What is the size of the elevator
shaft?—A. Six by eight.
Q. What is the length and breadth
of this hole? (A spot where the lad
der goes down into the basement of
the factory was indicated).—A. Two
feet by 2 feet 3 inches.
Q. What is the distance from the
elevator to the spot where the body
was found?—A. 176 feet.
Q. To the boiler?—A. 90 feet.
Q. From the elevator to this toi
let?—A. 118 feet.
Q The distance from the elevator
to the back stairway?—A. 135 feet.
Great Annual Clearance Sale
Made to your individual measure.
$25.00 and $30.00 values. :: :: ;;
FRIDAY AND
SATURDAY
10 lbs. Best Gran. Sugar 45c
40c Codec .... 32c
$1.00 Bag of Flour . . 75c
Fresh Snap Beans, ^ 2£c
T. L. Dupree
The Cash Grocer
390 Peachtree Sf.
Opposite Peachtree Inn
Ivy 7715
Your
Choice
Quality, Style
and Fit
Guaranteed
Five hundred
patterns to select
from. Any style,
a 11 colors, a 11
weights. Nothing
Reserved. Xo ex
tra charge for best'
grade linings.
WORLD’S LARGEST TAILORS.
ROBERT F. MOBLEY, Mgr
77 PEACHTREE
Don’t Forget the Place. Three Doors from
Auburn Avenue. Special Attention Given to
All Mail Orders. Phone, Ivy 1274.