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w TTTE ATT, A XT A GEORGIAN AND NEWS. DAISY HOPKINS DENIES VISITING PENCIL FACTORY WITH DALTON Girl Mentioned by Conley Swears That Leo Frank Never Spoke to .'ter STREET GAR CREW TELL MRS, LEO FRANK PHOTOGRAPHED AS SHE LEAVES COURTHOUSE IN AUTO Continued From Page 1. lifted that he and Mary left the car at Forsyth and Marietta streets and that he walked with her toward the factory as far as the viaduct. Hollis did not remember seeing Epps on the car. He said Mary was alone when he collected her fare after the car got on English avenue. He left the car at Forsyth and Marietta streets and did not see Mary Phagan alight there. Albert Kauffman, an architect, was called to discredit sev eral of the States witnesses. He had blue prints of the Selig home which he displayed to the jury to show that it was impossible for Albert McKnight to have seen from the kitchen into the dining room, as he testified he did, on the Saturday afternoon that Frank came home from the factory. His testimony was to the effect that Monteen Stover could not have seen over the safe door into Frank’s office at the time she declared she was unable to find him on her visit to the factory. Shows Diagram to Aid Frank. He said that there was room for several bodies to pass down the scuttle hole into the basement. He exhibited a diagram of the ( factory to show that Frank could have sat in his office and not been aware of anything taking place beyond the time clock—for example, anyone coming up or going down the stairs. Miss Daisy Hopkins, who C. B. Dalton said was his compan ion on visits to the factory basement, was called by the defense and denied Dalton's statements. She said she never had spoken to Frank, and that Frank never had spoken to her. The wife of the defendant in the Phagan case is always among the first to reach the courtroom in the morning. Solicitor Dorsey made an at tack on her character and forced her to admit she had been in jail on a statutory charge. It was brought out. however, that she was released without trial. Frank, for the first time dur ing the trial, took an active part in helping direct the course his case was taking. 11c arose from his seat several times to make suggestions to his lawyers, and at his request certain questions were put. Before Daisy Hopkins was called Solicitor Dorsey said he wanted to asU Harry Scott on© more question. Attorney Rosser said he also wanted to ask one more question of Boots Rogers, Detective J. M. Starnes and George Epps. Detective Scott was the first witness called. Dorsey asked: Q. Mr. Scott, how long did It take you to Ret Jim Conley to write after he had admitted that he could write and you dictated It to him without delay?—A. Two or three minutes. Daisy Hopkins on Stand. Miss Hopkins is a woman of very small features, with bright, keen eyes and wore a cotton striped dress that looked a bit too short. She wore white shoes and stockings. Mr. Ar nold began the questioning: Q. Did you ever work for the Na tional Pencil Company?—A. Yes, 1 went to work there about October 1, 1911, and quit June 1, 1912. Q What department?—A Packing department. Q. What floor?—A. Second floor. Q. How many other girls worked there?—A. Sometimes there were as many as ten. Q. Did you know Leo M. Frank?— A. I knew him when 1 saw him. 1 saw him pare around the factorv Q. Did he ever speak to you?—A. No, never in my life Denies Drinking in Frank’s Office. Q. Did you ever go into Frank's office and drink beer and cold drinks with other women? \. No, I never went into his office and I don’t drink. Q. Do you know' C. B. Dalton?—A. I know him when I see him. Q. Did you ever speak to him? A. I went to his home once to see his sister and spok© to him. That is the only time. Q. Did you ever go to the pencil factory with Dalton?—A. No, 1 never did. Q. Did you introduce him to Mr. Frank?—A. No, I did not. Q. Did you ever go into the factory and go into the basement with Dal ton?—A. No, I don’t even know' wher© the basement is. I never have been in it. Says Sh© Was Married. Dorsey took the witness on cross- examination. Q. Were you ever married?—A. Yes Q. Where?—A. Redair. Q. Who did you marry?—A. E. A. Sillp Q. Who married you?—A. Preacher Miles. Q. Who is your doctor?—A. Dr. Pound. Q. What is he treating you for?—A Stomach? trouble. Q. Were you ever in jail?—A No Q. Do you know this man here. Gamer, my deputy?—A. No. Q. Did he get you out of Jail?—A No, he was along. Q. What were you charged with?— A. Somebody told tales on me. Q. Who brought you down here?— A. Mr. Burke. “Bill" Smith Her Lawyer, Arnold took the witness on the redirect. Q Who got you out of jail?—A. My lawyer. Q. Did you pay anything?—A. I only paid my lawyer his fee. Q. Who was your lawyer?—A. Mr. Bill Smith \V. M. Mathews, motnrmnn on the English Avenue ear on which Mary Phagjvn is supiwrsed to have come to town from her home, Saturday, April 26, followed Miss Hopkins on the stand. Q What was your run on April 26? —A. English avenue that runs to Bell wood. Q. What time did you pass Lind say street?—A. Ten minutes to 12. Q. Was that on schedule? - A. Yes Q. Did a little girl named Mary Phagan get on at Lindsay street?—A. Yes. Sat Behind Mary Phagan. Q. What is the distance from Lind say street to Broad street?—A. About tw'o miles. Q. What time did you get to Mari etta and broad streets?—A. At 12:07 1-2. We were on time. Q. Do you recollect where this lit tle girl got off? A. At Broad and Hunter streets. Q. What time did you reach that point?—A. About two and one-half minutes later. It took that long on account of the crowds. Q. It took that long?—A. Yes, I was not running the car then. I was sitting behind Mary Phagan. There was a little girl on the seat with h^r. Q. Where did she get off?—At Broad and Hunter streets. Q. What time was it than?—A. 12:10 as near as 1 could recollect. Q. Where did she go when she got off?—A- She walked to the sidewa’< with the girl that was with her Q. Did you see this little girl get on the ear?—A. Yes. Q. Did a little boy get on the car with her?—A. No. Didn’t See Epps Boy. Q. Do you know this little boy Epps?- A. Yes. Q. Did he get on the car with her? A. No. Q. He didn’t sit on the seat with her?—A. No; 1 didn’t see him. Dorsey took the witness. Q. You said you arrived at Broad and Hunter streets at about 12:10 o’clock. Why do you say about 12:10 if you are sure of it?—A. It was about that time. Q Didn't you tell Detective Whit field, of the Pinkertons, that you might have been three or four min utes ahead of schedule?—A. No. Q. You are sure you never told him that? -A. No. Q. llow is it that you are willing to tell this jury that Mary Phagan did not get off at Marietta and Broad streets? A. Wait a minute and I will tell you. There was an ex-conduc tor sitting by me. He had a pin on his coat. I took it off and leaning over to Mary Phagan 1 said: "Little girl, this Is your picture." She said: "No, it ain't.” That mad© me positive Q. Tell me how these little girls were dressed?—A. 1 don’t remember, or short?—A. Short cars. Q. Was there any difficulty in hearing what was said on the front end when the car was standing still? A. No. Q. No such thing as being ahead of time ever happens?—A. No, sir; it is against the rules of the company. Attorney Hooper took the witness again. Q. Do you mean to say that you obey the rules of the company so well that you are never ahc*ad of time nor never a little late?—A. It isn’t against the rules of the company to be late. Q. Then you are never early—not even when going to the barn?—A. It isn’t against the rules of the company to come in ahead of time when going to the barn, so long as you don’t run reckless. Q. And that day you brought Mary Phagan in was your last trip?—A. Yes. Defense Turns Over Books. Attorneys for the defense at this juncture turned over to the prosecu tion the cash book and the bank book of the National Pencil Company. Hol lis was excused and Albert Kauffman, an engineer, who drew a plot and dia gram of the Selig residence where Frank resided, took the stand. He was examined by Attorney Ar nold. Q. What is your business?—A. Civil engineer. Q. Have you made a drawing of the Selig residence on Georgia avenue?— A. Yes. Q. When?—A. Last week. Q. Did you make a plat of the kitchen, the dining room, the recep tion hall, the parlor and the hall?—A. Yes. Q. How many feet is it from the kitchen door to the passageway?—A. Fourteen feet. Couldn’t See Mirror. Q. How wide is the passageway?— A. Two and one-half feet wide and about two feet long. Q. Did you stand in the kitchen door and see if you could se** the mirror in the dining room?—A. Yes. was found?—A. An angle of 43 de grees. Q. How far would the line of vision throw you from this partition? A. About 3 feet. Q. Could you see a body there?— A. Not all of it. Q. Is it an accurate plan of the first floor?—A. Yes. Q. What is the width of the front door?—A. Six feet. Q. What is the length of this partition from the front door?—A. Twenty-six feet. Q. From the front door to the stairway, how far iis it—A. Thirty- six feet. Q. From the staircase to the ele vator shaft?—A. Thirteen feet. Q. From the stairway to this hole? —A. Ten and one-half feet. Q. Is there a long hallway on the first floor?—A. Yes. Trap Door Near Tragic Spot. Q. Does It extend to the west end of the building?—A. Yes Q. What is it used for?—A. Maybe a storeroom. Q. Was it closed?—A. Yes. Q. What was in there?—A. Two toilets. Q. How far back?—A. About 90 feet. Q. Is this the spot directly ovet where the body was found?—A. Yes. Q. What did you find on the right- hand side, next to the toilet?—A. A trap door. Q. Were there steps?—A. Yes. Q. How near to this chute was the body found?—A. About 20 feet. Q. When the trap is open, where does it lead to?—A. To the base ment. Q. What is it used for?—A. To send boxes down. Q. Did you observe the door of the safe when it stood open in the outer office?—A. Yes. Q. To what extent did it close off the view to the inner office?—A. En tirely. Q. Could you see over that safe No door?—A. Yes. Q. Could a girl?—A. I don’t think so. Q. To the right of the door in the inner office, what did you find?—A. A desk. Q. Are there tw r o windows there?-— A. Yes. Q. They open on the street, don’t they?—A. Yes. Office 150 Veet From Dressing Room, Q. This is Frank’s desk?—A. Y"es. Q. A person on the other side of the street could see the desk, couldn’t they?—A. Yes. Q. How far is it from Frank’s of fice to the dressing room?—A. Om hundred and fifty feet. Q. What kind of a view is it from Frank’s office to the stairway?—A. None at all. Q. What kind of a view of the clock?—A. He could see about one- quarter of the first clock. Q. What are these open spaces (pointing to the diagram)?—A. Pas sage ways. Q. How wide are the doors to the metal room?—A. Six feet. Q. How far from that door is it to the ladies' room?—A. About 10 feet. Frank Makes Suggestion. Q. From that point how far is it to the lathe?—A. Twenty feet. Q. From this lathe to the point where Conley said he found the body? —A. Thirty-seven feet. Q. How far from the ladies’ toilet? —A. Nineteen feet. Here Frank arose from his seat and walked across to Attorney Ros ser to make a suggestion for a ques tion. Q. What is the size of these vats?— A. Six by four. Q. Could you get a girl Into one of these?—A. Yes. Q. Did you find in this whole trulld- Continued on Pag© 4, Column 1. Funeral Designs and Flowers FOR ALL OCCASIONS. Atlanta Floral Company 455 EAST FAIR STREET. except they were dressed in some thing light. Q. Well, tell us anything that Mary Phagan had on?—A. I don’t know anything except she had on a dress and hat. Q. Yes, she had on shoes and stock ings, too?—A. Yes, and her dress was light colored. Q You didn't see George Epps?—A. No, I didn’t see him. Q. Would you know George Epps If you were to see him?—A. 1 would know him if 1 were to see him now. Q. Tell me one thing about him by which you can identify him?—A. I can’t remember. Q. What color was Mary Phagan’s hat? A. It was light color. Q. You say it was a light color. Just what color was it?—A. I don’t know. Q. What did you say light color for? Come, don’t Arnold Calls Halt. Attorney Arnold interrupted. "Just wait a minute. That is not til© form to question him." "All right. I’ll put the question dif ferently." said Dorsey. Q. Mr. Matthews, you did not ob serve what color her clothes were? A. No, sir Q. What time did you hear about her murder?—A. Sunday morning. Q. What time did you go down to identify her?—A. About 6:45 in the afternoon. Q. You recognized her as the lit tle girl you had carried down the. day before?—A. Yes. Q. How did you recognize her?—A. Well. 1 knew her. On© day she was late and I waited for her and she said she was mad because she was late. Every time after that 1 would ask j her if she was mad. Fails on Color of Hat. Attorney Arnold took the witness and showed him the dress Mary Pha gan .wore. Q. Was this the dress she wore that day?—A. 1 am not sure, but it looks like it might have been. JSoiiciior Dorsey took the witness. He showed the witness Mary Pha gan’s hat. Q. Is this the light hat you just now told the jury Mary Phagan had on? (The hat was of dark lavender material.) Q. The giri you saw had on a light hat?—A. That's what I remem ber. The witness was excused, and W. T. Hollis, conductor on the English ave nue car on which the Phagan girl rode to town Saturday, April 26, took the witness stand. Arnold examined him. Q. What is your business?—A. Street car conductor. Q. Where were you on April 26?— A. < >n the English avenue and Coop er street line. Q. Did you cross Lindsay street?— A. Yes. Conductor Saw Girl. Q On what street?—A. Belhvood avenue. Q. How many miles is it from this point to the heart of the city?— A. I couldn’t say. Q What time do you leave the other end of the line?—A. On the hour, quarter and half. Q. What time did the car that left at 15 minutes to 12 get to the city?— A. It took 22 1-2 minutes. Q. Did the little girl get on at Lindsay street?—A. Yes. Q. Did you know her name then?— A. No. Q. When did you see her again?— A The next day at the morgue. Q. Did this little boy. George Epps, get on the car and ride with her?— A No; he was not with her when I collected the fare. Q. Was the car crowded?—A. There were only three passengers. Q. What time did you get to Broad and Marietta streets?—A. About 12:07 1-2. Epps Boy Didn’t Get Off. Q. Where did you get off?—A. At Marietta «iud Forsyth streets. Q. Did this little girl get off there?— A. No; 1 left her on the car. Did this little boy, Epps, get I off there?—A. No. Q. How long did it take to get from Broad and Marietta to Huntei street—A. About 2 1-2 minutes, as a rule. Q. Do you recollect how she was dressed?—A. No. Q. You don’t know whether these are the clothes?—A. No; I never noticed. Attorney Hooper took the witness on cross-examination. Q. There was nothing unusual about her coming in that day, was there?—A. No. Q. There was no particular reason why you should remember these things, Is there?—A. No. Never Ahead of Time, He Says. Q. You don’t know whether these are her clothes, or not, do you?—A. No. Q. You always notice when any thing happens to throw you off your schedule, don’t you?—A. Yes. Q. But you don’t pay any atten tion to being a few minutes ahead of time, do you?—A. We don’t ever come in town ahead of time. Q. Are you ever late?—A. Yes; sometimes. Q. Was there anyone sitting with Mary Phagan on the car?—A. No. Q. You didn't see a little girl sit ting beside her?—A. No. When I got her fare, she was sitting alone, as I remember. Q. She usually came down early in the morning—factory hours—didn't she?—A. Yes; she usually caught the car that gets to town at 7:07. She said she was fifteen minutes late when she caught that car, when she said she was mad. Q. Which end of the car did she get on?—A. The front end. Q. Which end were you on?—A. The back end. Q. And you say you overheard a conversation between her and the motorman?—A. Yes; he asked her if she was mad. and she said yes. she was late. Said She Was Late. Q. She went down early in the morning, as a rule? Yet, w’hen she said she was late, it was ten min utes to 12 o'clock?—A. Yes. Attorney Arnold took the witness on the redirect examination. Q. Are the cars on this line long Q. Could you see It?-*—A. No. part of the glass was visible. Q. Were you present when a pho tographer took views of the place?— A. Yes. Q. Standing on the south side of that door, did you see the sideboard? A. Not within two or three feet of it. Q. Have you drawn a plat of Geor gia avenue?—A. Yes. Q. Did you draw a diagram of the block bounded by Pulliam street?—A. Yes. Q. How r far is it from the Selig home to Pulliam street?—A. 221 feet. Q. How far to Washington street? A. 175 feet. Q. What does this represent? (A diagram of the pencil factory was displayed.)—A. That is th e pencil fac tory. Gives Dimensions of Factory. Q. What is the size of the elevator shaft?—A. Six by eight. Q. What is the length and breadth of this hole? (A spot where the lad der goes down into th© basement of the factory was indicated).—A. Two feet by 2 feet 3 inches. Q. What is the distance from the elevator to the spot where the body was found?—A. 176 feet. Q. To the boiler?—A. 90 feet. Q. From the elevator to this toi let?—A. 118 feet. Q. The distance from the elevator to the back stairway?—A. 135 feet. Q. The elevator to the chute? First, the dimensions?—A. 5 feet wide, 15 feet long. Q. Was that large enough for a human body to go down?—A. One or several. Q. How far from the elevator is it?—A. About 30 feet. Q. How far is the back door from the elevator?—A. 165 feet. Q. The total length of the building? —A. 200 feet. Q. What are the widths of the walls?—A. Four feet. Q. What kind of a bunk is in that inclosure back there by the boiler? A. A big box. Q. What is in it?—A. All kinds of trash. Q. How far is the trash pile from the spot where the body was found?— A. Slxty-one feet. Q. The toilet?—A. Twenty-one feet. Q. From the back door?—A. For ty-two feet. Q. What about the line of vision from the toilet to where the body Runs Through Open Switch Shepherd Device Insures safety in railway travel. Demonstration by train at Oakland City, 3 p. m., Saturday. Take East Point car. Great Annual Clearance Sale SUITS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY 10 lbs. Best Gran.Sugar 45c 40c Coffee .... 32c $1.00 Bag ol Flour . . 75c Fresh Snap Beans, •££ 2|c T. L. 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