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A THE ATLANTA’GEORGIA> AAL> Ar,v\a. DAISY HOPKINS DENIES VISITING PENCIL FACTORY WITH DALTON Girl Mentioned by Conley Swears That Leo Frank Never Spoke to Her STREET CAR CREW TELE' MRS. LEO FRANK PHOTOGRAPHED AS SHE LEAVES COURTHOUSE IN AUTO RIDETQPENCILFACTORY Continued From Page 1. Q. What department?—A Packing depn rtment. Q. What floor?—A. Second floor. Q. How many other girls worked there?—A. Sometimes there were as many as ten. Q. Did you know Deo M Frank?— A. I knew him when I saw him. I saw him para around the factorv Q Did he ever speak to you?—A No. never in my life Denies Drinking in Frank's Office. Q. Did you ever go into Frank s offlc e and drink beer and cold drinks with other women?—A- No, 1 never went into his office and I don’t drink. Q. Do you know C. B. Dalton?—A. t know him when I eee him. Q Did you ever speak to him?—A I went to his home once to see his sister and spok« to him. That is the only time. Q. Did you ever go to the pencil factory with Dalton?—A. No, I never did. Q. Did you introduce him to Mr. Frank?—A. No, I did not. Q. Did you ever go into the factory and go into the basement with Dal ton?—A No, I don’t even know where the basement is. I never have been in it. Says She Was Married. Dorsey took the witness on cross- examination. Q. Were you ever married?—A. Yes. Q. Where?—A. Redair. Q. Who did you marry?—A. E. A. Sills. Q. Who married you?—A. Preacher Miles. Q. Who is your doctor?—A. Dr. Pound. Q. What is he treating you for?—A Stomach trouble. Q. Were you ever in jail?—A. Nc Q. Do you know' this man here, Garner, my deputy?—A. No. Q. Did he get you out of Jail?—A No. he was along. Q. What were you charged with?— A Somebody told tales on me. Q. Who brought you down here? — A. Mr Burke. “Bill” Smith Her Lawyer. Arnold took the witness on the redirect. Q. Who got you out of jail?—A. My lawyer. Q. Did you pay anything?—A. I only paid my lawyer his fee. Q. Who was your lawyer?—A. Mr. Bill Smith. W. M. Mathews, motorman on the English Avenue car on which Mary Phagan is supposed to have come to town from her home, Saturday, April* 26, followed Miss Hopkins on the stand. Q What was your run on April 26? —A. English avenue that runs to Be 11 wood. Q. What time did you pass Lind say street?—A. Ten minutes to 12. Q. Was that on schedule?—A. Yes Q. Did a little girl named Mary Phagan get on at Lindsay street?—A. Yes. Sat Behind Mary Phagan. Q. What is the distance from Lind say street to Broad street?—A. About two miles. Q. What time did you get to Mari etta and Broad streets?—A. At 12:07 1-2. We w’ere on time. Q Do you recollect where this lit tle girl got off?—A. At Broad and Hunter streets. Q. What time did you reach that point?—A About two and one-half minutes later. It took that long on account of the crowds. Q. It took that long?—A. Yes, I was not running the car then. I was sitting behind Mary Phagan. There was a little girl on the seat with hsr. Q. Where did she get off?—At Broad and Hunter streets. Q. What time was it than?—A. 12:10 as near as I could recollect. Q. Where did she go when she got off?—A. She walked to the sidewalk with the girl that was with her. Q. Did you see this little girl get on the car?—A. Yes. Q. Did a little boy get on the car with her?—A. No. Didn't See Epps Boy. Q. Do you know this little boy Epps?—A. Yes. Q. Did he get on the car with her? A. No. Q. He didn’t sit on the scat with her?—A. No; I didn’t see him Dorsey took the witness. Q. You said you arrived at Broad and Hunter streets at about 12:10 o’clock. Why do you say about 12:10 If you are sure of it?—A. It was about that time. Q. Didn’t you tell Detective Whit field, of the ^Pinkertons, that you might have been three or four min utes ahead of schedule?—A. No. Q. You are sure you never told him that?—A. No. Q. Hew is It that you are willing to tell this Jury that Mary Phagan did not get off at Marietta and Broad streets?—A Walt a minute and I will tell you. Ther> was an ex-conduc tor sitting by me. He had a pin on his coat. I took it off and leaning over to Mary Phagan I said: "Little girl, this is your picture." She said: “No, it ain’t.” That made me positive Can’t Describe Clothing. Q. Tell me how these little girls were dressed?—A. I don’t remember, except they were dressed in some thing light. Q. Well, tell us anything that Mary Phagan had on?—A. I don't know anything except she had on a dress and hat. Q. Yes, she had on shoes and stock ings. too?—A. Yes, and her dress was light colored. Q. You didn’t see George Epps?—A. No, I didn’t see him. Q. Would you know George Epps if you were to see him?—A. I would know him if I were to see him now. Q. Tell me one thing about him by which you can identify him?—A. I can't remember. Q. What color was Mary Phagan’s hat?—A. It was light color. Q. You say it was a light color. Just what color was it?—A. I don’t know. Q. What did you say light color for? Come, don’t Arnold Calls Halt. Attorney Arnold interrupted. "Just wait a minute. That is not th*» form to question him.” "All right. I’ll put the question dif ferently,” said Dorsey. Q Mr. Matthews, you did not ob serve what color her clothes were? A. No, sir. Q. What time did you hear about her murder?—A. Sunday morning. Q. What time did you go down to identify her?—A. About 6:45 in the afternoon. (4. You recognized her as the lit tle girl you had carried down the day before?—A. Yes Q. How did you recognize her? A. Well, I knew her. One day she was late and 1 Waited for her and she said she was mad because she was late. Every time after that 1 would ask her if she was mad. Fails on Color of Hat. Attorney Arnold took the witness and showed him the dress Mary Pha gan wore. Q. Was this the dress she wore that day?—A. I am not sure, but it looks like it might have been. Solicitor Dorsey took the witness. He showed the witness Mary Pha gan’s hat. Q. Is this the light hat you just now told the jury Mary Phagan had on? (The hat was of dark lavender material.) • Q. The girl you saw had on a light hat?—A. That’s what I remem ber. The witness was excused, and W. T. Hollis, conductor on the English ave nue car on which the Phagan girl rode to town Saturday, April 26, took the witness stand. Arnold examined him. Q What is your business?—A. Street car conductor. Q. Where were you on April 26?— A. On the English avenue and Coop er street line. Q Did you cross Lindsay street?— A. Yes. Conductor Saw Girl. Q. On what street?—A. Bell wood avenue. Q. How many miles Is it from this point to the heart of the city?— A. I couldn’t say. Q. What time do you leave the other end of the line?—A. On the hour, quarter and half. Q. What time did the car that left at 16 minutes to 12 get to the city?— A. It took 22 1-2 minutes. Q. Did the little girl get on at Lindsay street?—A. Yes. Q. Did you know her name then?— A. No. Q. When did you see her again?— A. The next day at the morgue. Q. Did this little boy, George Epps, get on the car and ride with her?— A. No; he was not with her when I collected the fare. Q. Waa the car crowded?—A. There were only three passengers. Q. What time did you get to Broad and Marietta streets?—A. About 12:07 1-2. Epps Boy Didn’t Get Off. Q. Where did you get off?—A. j At Marietta and Forsyth streets. Q. Did this little girl get off there?— A. No; I left her on the car. Q. Did this little boy', Epps, get off there?—A. No. Q. How long did it take to get from Broad and Marietta to Hunter street—A. About 2 1-2 minutes, as a rule. Q. Do you recollect how she was The wife of the defendant in the Phagan case is always among the first to reach the courtroom in the morning. dressed?—A. No. Q. You don’t know whether these' are the clothes?—A. No; 1 never noticed. Attorney Hooper took the witness on cross-examination. Q. There was nothing unusual about her coming in that day, was there?—A. No. Q. There was no particular reason why you should remember these things, is there?—A. No. Never Ahead of Time, He Says. Q. You don’t know whether these are her clothes, or not, do you?—A. No. Q. You always notice when any thing happens to throw >’ou off your schedule, don’t you?—A. Yes. Q. But you don’t pay any atten tion to being a few minutes ahead of time, do you?—A. We don’t ever come in town ahead of time. Q. Are you ever late?—A. Yes; sometimes. Q. Was there anyone sitting with Mary Phagan on the car?—A. No. Q. You didn’t see a little girl sit ting beside her?—A. No. When I got her fare, she was sitting alone, as I remember. Q. She usually came down early in the morning—factory hours—didn’t she?—a. Yes; she usually caught the car that gets to town at 7:07. She said she was fifteen minutes late when she caught that car, when she said she was mad. Q. Which end of the car did she get on?—A. The front end. Q. Which end were you on?—A. The back end. Q. And you say you overheard a conversation between her and the motorman?—A. Yes; he asked her if she was mad. and she said yes, she was late. Said She Was Late. Q She went down early in the morning, as a rule? Yet, when she said she was late, it was ten min utes to 12 o’clock?—A. Yes. Attorney Arnold took the witness on the redirect examination. Q. Are the cars on this line long or short?—A. Short cars. W. Was there any difficulty in hearing what was said on the front end when the car was standing still? A. No. Q. No such thing as being ahead of time ever happens?—A. No, sir; it is against the rules of the company. Attorney Hooper took the witness again. Q. Do you mean to say that you obey the rules of the company so well that you are never ahead of time nor never a little late?—A. It isn’t against the rules of the company to be late. Q. Then you are never early—not even when going to the barn?—A. It isn’t against the rules of the company to come in ahead of time when going to the barn, so long as you don’t run reckless. Q. And that day you brought Mary Phagan in was your last trip?—A. Yes. Defense Turns Over Books. Attorneys for the defense at this juncture turned over to the prosecu tion the cash book and the bank book of the National Pencil Company. Hol lis was excused and Albert Kauffman, an engineer, who drew a plot and dia gram of the Selig residence where Frank resided, took the stand. He was examined by Attorney Ar nold. Q. What is your business?—A. Civil engineer. Q. Have you made a drawing of the Selig residence on Georgia avenue?— A. Y es. Q. When?—A. Last week. Q. Did you make a plat of the kitchen, the dining room, the recep tion hall, the parlor and the hall?—A. Yes. Q. How many feet is it from the kitchen door to th e passageway?—A. Fourteen feet. Couldn't See Mirror. Q. How wide is the passageway?— A. Two and one-half feet wide and about two feet long. Q. Did you stand in the kitchen door and see if you could se^ the mirror in the dining room?—A. Y’es. Q. Could you see it?—A. No. No part of the glass was visible. Q. Were you present when a pho tographer took view's of the place ?- A. Yes. Q. Standing on the south side of that door, did you see the sideboard? A. Not within tw’o or three feet of it. Q. Have you drawn a plat of Geor gia avenue?—A. Y'es. Q. Did you draw’ a diagram of the block bounded by Pulliam street?—A. Yes. Q. How far is it from the Selig home to Pulliam street?—A. 221 feet. Q. How far to Washington street? A. 175 feet. Q. What does this represent? (A diagram of the pencil factory was displayed.)—A. That is the pencil fac tory. Gives Dimensions of Factory. Q. What is the size of the elevator shaft?—A. Six by eight. Q. What is the length and breadth of this hole? (A spot w'here the lad der goes down into th? basement of the factory was indicated).'—A. Two feet by 2 feet 3 inches. Q. What is the distance from the elevator to the spot where the body was found?—A. 176 feet. Q. To the boiler?—A. 90 feet. Q. From the elevator to this toi let?—A. 118 feet. Q. The distance from the elevator to the back stairway?—A. 135 feet. Q. The elevator to the chute? First, the dimensions?—A. 5 feet wide, 15 feet long. Q. Was that large enough for a human body to go down?—A. One or several. Q. How far from the elevator is it?—A. About 30 feet. Q. How far is thq back door from the elevator?—A. 165 feet. Q. The total length of the building? —A. 200 feet. Q. What are the widths of the walls?—A. Four feet. Q. What kind of a bunk is in that inclosure back there by the boiler? A. A big box. Q. What is in it?—A. All kinds of trash. « Q. How far is the trash pile from the spot where the body was found?— A. Sixty-one feet. Q. The toilet?—A. Twenty-one feet. Q. From the back door?—A. For ty-two feet. Q. What about the line of vision from the toilet to where the body was found?—A. An angle of 43 de grees. Q. How far would the line of vision throw you from this partition?—A. About 3 feet. Q. Could you see a body there?— A. Not all of It. Q. Is it an accurate plan of the first floor?—A. Yes. Q. What is the width of the front door?—A. Six feet. Q. What is the length of this partition from the front door?—A. Twenty-six feet. Q. From the front door to the stairway, how far its it—A. Thirty- six feet. Q. From the staircase to the ele ctor shaft?—A. Thirteen feet. Q. From the stairway to this hole? —A. Ten and one-half feet. Q. Is there a long hallway on the first floor?—A. Yes. Trap Door Near Tragic Spot. Q. Does it extend to the west end of the building?—A. Yes Q. What is it used for?—A. Maybe storeroom. Q. Was it closed?—A. Yes. Q. What was in there?—A. Two toilets. Q. How* far back?—A. About 90 feet. Q. Is this the spot directly over where the body was found?—A. Yes. Q. What did you find on the right- hand side, next to the toilet?—A. A trap door. Q. Were there steps?—A. Yes. Q. How near to this chute was the body found?—A. About 20 feet. Q. When the trap is open, where does it lead to?—A. To the base ment. Q. What is it used for?—A. To send boxes down. Q. Did you observe the door of the safe when it stood open in the outer office?—A. Yes. Q. To what extent did it close off the view to the inner office?—A. En tirely. Q. Could you see over that safe door?—A. Yes. Q. Could a girl?—A. I don’t think so. Q. To the right of the door In the inner office, what did you find?—A. A desk. Q. Are there two windows there?— A. Yes. Q. They open on the street, don’t they?—A. Yes. Office 150 Feet From Dressing Room. Q. This is Frank’s desk?—A. Yes. Q’. A person on the other side of the street could see the desk, couldn’t they?—A. Yes. Q. How far is it from Frank’s of fice to the dressing room?—A. One hundred and fifty feet. Q. What kind of a view is it from Frank’s office to the stairway?—A. None at all. Q. W r hat kind of a view of the clock?—A. He could see about one- quarter of the first clock. Q. What are these open spaces (pointing to the diagram)?—A. Pas sage ways. Q. How wide are the doors to the metal room?—A. Six feet. Q. How far from that door i» It to the ladies’ room?—A. About 10 feet. Frank Makes Suggestion. Q. From that point how far is it to the lathe?—A. Twenty feet. Q. From this lathe to the point where Conley said he found the body? —A. Thirty-seven feet. Q. How far from the ladies’ toilet? —A. Nineteen feet. Here Frank arose from his seat and walked across to Attorney Ros ser to make a suggestion for a ques tion. Q. What is the size of these vats?— A. Six by four. Q. Could you get a girl into one of these?—A. Yes. Q. Did you find in this whole build ing a cot, a bed or a sofa?—A. No. Q. Did you find anything that look ed like a bedroom, except the ladies’ room?—A. No. Hooper Cross-Examines. Attorney Hooper took the witness on cross-examination. Q. Who told you the location of the body?—A. Mr. Schiff. Q. He was under Mr. Frank in the factory?—A. Y r es. Q. Then if that location was wrong all of your measurements were wrong? Arnold objected and his objection was sustained. Q. Y r ou based all your measure ments on Mr. SchifTs location of the body?—A. Yes. Q. If that w’as wTong, all of your measurements were wrong—I mean about lines of vision, etc.?—A. Yes. Q. You found a gas Jet burning in the basement? Where was it?—A. Near the front. Q. On the third floor you depended for light on the front doors and win dows?—A. Yes. Q. These are all glass?—A. Yes. Q. There is also a gas Jet further back?—A. I didn’t see any. Q. On the first floor you say there is a trap door near the elevator two feet by two feet three inches, lead ing to the basement?—A. Yes. Trap Door Small. Q. A man of your size w'ould have a hard time getting through there, wouldn’t he?—A. Yes. Q. Two people couldn't get through? A. No. Q. The scuttle hole back on the first floor leads to the basement?—A. Yes, to the dustpan in the back. Q. A man doesn’t look in a curved line, does he?—A. No, sir. Q. Well, what do these curved lines on the second floor mean?—A. Those indicate the direction he probably walked. Several of the Jurymen were inat tentive to these demonstrations. Q. Anyone coming into this office could see if anyone was in there, couldn t he, if the door adjoining was open?—A. Yes. Q. Nobody standing on the fourth floor at the head of the stairway could see down to the second floor?— A. I don’t think they could. Q. Don’t you know they couldn’t?— A. They might have a little view. Bell Buzzard Found! No, Not at Winsted FORSYTH. Aug. 8.—The bell buz zard has been discovered again. Roger H. Taylor, of this county, is sponsor for the story that on last Wednesday a buzzard, with a be l around its neck, passed through the settlement know'n as Northwest Cor ner and was seen by several reputable citizens. • Lighting on a tree in the settle ment the buzzard attracted consid erable attention, and it is claimed that the bell W’as not only visible, but the sound of the tinkle was unmistak able. Anti-American Feeling Stirred by Huerta as United States Envoy Nears Capital. Continued From Pago 1. United States will make no move un til it is seen whether the Mexican Government intends to carry out its threat. Former Governor Lind is due to reach Vera Cruz to-night. If lie makes good connections he should get to Mexico City in time for a con ference with President Huerta to morrow afternoon. It is believed here the Mexican President will be forced to confer with President Wilson’s representative, if only to discover the nature of the communication it has been admitted the former Governor of Minnesota carries with him. Should President Huerta deem it best to expel Mr. Lind, the United States may be forced to take drastic measures, but it is hoped at the State Department that this undesirable al ternative will be avoided by a change of front on the part of the Mexican President after he receives Lind's message from President Wilson, the contents of which is unknown here to anyone save the President and Secretary Bryan. After a conference with the Presi dent, Secretary Bryan to-day an nounced that the statement sent to the American Embassy at Mexico City for the Mexican foreign office that Special Ambassador Lind would be persona non grata to the Mexican Government unless he brought the proper credentials with him. had be n received at the State Department to day and that the President now has it under consideration. At the request of the State Depart ment, the battleship Michigan to-day was moved from Vera Cruz to Ciuda 1 Del Carmen. Mexico. It was feared that the arrival of the battleship New Hampshire at Vera Cruz to-day mignt give rise to a report that the United States was peparaing for active in tervention and the Michigan, there fore, was moved farther down the coast, where she will remain for fur ther orders. FRIDAY AND SATURDAY 10 lbs.Best Gran.Sugar 45c 40c Coffee .... 32c $1.00 Bag of Flour . . 75c Fresh Snap Beans, p Q * t r 2£c T. L. 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