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2 TTTE ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NEWS. FINANCIAL SHEETS Herbert Schiff, Office ARE SHOWN TO PROVE FRANK'S COMPOSURE' Assistant, Tells of Intricacies of Work on Tragic Bay Continued From Page 1. ATTACKED BY Phagan?—A Yea, he asked my sister, he didn’t ask me. Q. Weren’t you there?—A. No, I wasn’t there. I was In the house. Q. Weren't you standing by your eluter and sT r said the last time Mary Phagan was neen by her was Thurs day before the murder and you stood there and said nothing?—A. No. I didn’t hear that. I was In the house, but I didn’t hear all he said to her "Come down.” said Arnold. Lad Didn't Flee Court. Mr Dorsey interrupted. Q. George, has there been any trouble to get you to come to court?— A No. sir; I was playing ball when they sent for me yesterday and didn’t get the message Mr. Arnold objected to the question and reply and Mr. Dorsey wild “Your honor. Mr. Arnold made the Impression on this court yesterday that this boy was fleeing from the court. The deputy said he couldn’t find him. We Just want to show that be was alwnyse willing to come.” Judge Roan overruled the objection Q. George, you were always willing to come, weren’t you?—A. Yes, sir. I got tired hanging around the court, and asked you if I could go. You told me you would send for me when you needed me. I came when I got your mersage. Reporter Placed on Stand. John Minar. a newspaper reporter, was the next witness. Q. Were you a reporter for The Georgian in April?—A. I was. Q. After this girl’s body was found did you go out to this boy Epps’ home?—A. I did. Q. What day and time?—A. Sunday evening, April 27, at 8 o’clock. Q. Did you ask this boy and his sister when they last saw Mary Pha gan?—A. Yes. Q. Were they together?—A. Yes. Q. Is there any doubt they both heard you?—A. No. Q. What did they say in reply to your question?—A The girl said she had seen her Thursday. Q. Did the boy say anything?—A. He said he rode to the city with her In the mornings occasionally. Q. Did he say anything about riding with her that Saturday?—A. No. Hooper took the witness on cross- examination, but brought out nothing. Herbert Schiff, who worked with Frank as office man and salesman, Vas the next on the stand. Mr. Arnold questioned Schiff. Q. You are assistant superintendent Df the factory, I believe?—A. 1 have worked in several capacities. Schiff Tells of Duties. Q. What were your duties at the time of the murder?—A. I was assist ant to Mr. Frank. Q. What were your exact duties?— A. The duties were divided equally between Frank and myself. Q. Did you have anything to do with the financial statement?—A. Yes. 1 helped collect the data. Q. Did you or Mr. Frank have any thing to do with the cash?—A. Only the petty cash. Q. Who did the real handling of the finances?—A. The general man ager, Mr. Slg Montag. Q. Who drew the checks?—A. Mr. Montag. Q. Did either you or Mr. Frank ever draw any checks?—A. No, we didn’t have any authority to. Q. What time did you and Mr. Frank draw your money?—A. Wo drew our checks the last of the month. We never consulted each other about the exact time. Q. Do you know how much Mr. Frank made?—A. One hundred and fifty dollars a month. Q. How much did you get?—A. Eighty dollars. Q. You said the general manager was Mr. Montag Did he stay at the factory?—A. No. Q. Was any of the financing for the factory done at the factory' or at Mon tag’s?—A. No. Q. All you did was to look after manufacturing? A.—Yes. Q. That financial sheet, w hat was it for?—To show whether the week was i profit or a loss. Q. Why did you make it up on Sat- i Only s Mask. Men are not being benefited by the summer vacation as they should he. t Now, notwithstanding much outdoor f life, they are little If any stronger » than they were The tan on their t faces is darker and makes them look healthier, but it is only a mask They are still nervous, easily tlrec upset by trifles, and they do not eai nor sleep well What they need is what tones the nerves, perfects dl- < gestion, creates appetite, and makes $ sleep refreshing, and that is Hood’s S Sarsaparilla Pupil* and teachers ? » gen era llfcwill find the chief purpose (, I of the volition best subserved by this j I great nWicine which, as we know, , I “builds _p the whole system.'’ < urday?—A Because our report never came in until Friday and the pay roll had to be figured in it. Q. How long have vou been making those sheets?—A. Since Frank went to the factory. Q Beginning with June, 1912, and running to January, how much time did you miss?—A. None. Q When did you take your vaca tion?—A. That’s right, I took a vaca tion from the last week In July to the first w'eek In August. Q What time do you usually go to dinner?—A. At about 12:30 and get back at about 2. Q. What time did Frank go?—A. A little after 1 and got back before 3 Q. Did you do any work on the financial sheet before Frank got back? —A. Yes. I got up my slat racket. Q. Did Darley do any work on it? —A. Yes. he helped. Q Did you all work together?—A. Yes. Q. Did the stenographer w’ork Sat urday afternoon?—A Very seldom. Q. You were frequently Interrupted by salesmen?—A. Yes. Q. You would stay' there and leave together?—A Very often. y. Did you ever have a negro night watchman there before Newt Lee?— A. No V Denies Seeing Women. Q. When did Newt Lee come there? —A. About the first of April. Q. What was the night watchman before him?—A. A white man named Kendrick. Q Who was the watchman before him?—A.'His father. Q Did you ever see any women there Saturday afternoons?—A. Never. Q Did Mrs. Frank ever come down there on Saturday afternoons?—A. She would come down some time and go home with Mr. Frank. Q. Is there a bed, cot or anything of the sort in the factory?—A. No, sir; they did call my attention to a dirty box in the basement that was used by the Clark Woodenware Com pany Q. Were you at the factory every Saturday from June 1, 1912, to Jan uary 1. 1913?—A. Yes. Q. I believe you said you went on the road the first Saturday in Jan uary?—A. Yes. Q. What time did you leave?—A. About 5:10 in the afternoon. Q. Did* you go by the factory that day?—A. Yes, I went by and talked with the fellows until about half an hour before train time. Mr. Frank and several went to the train with me. Q. Have you ever seen this man Dalton?—A. Yes. 1 saw him for the first time upstairs. Q Did you see him around the fac tory?—A. I did not. Q Do you remember Daisy Hop kins?—A. Yes, 1 would know T her If I should see her. Q. When was she there?—A. The witness referred to his books and re plied: “This shows her first as being there on May 21 and last on Juno 6, 1912.” Remembers Thanksgiving Day. Q. Did you ever see her around there on Saturday afternoons?—A. I never did. Q. Do you remember Thanksgiving, 1912?—A. I do. Q. What sort of a day was it?—A Cold and rainy. It had snowed. Q Were you at the factory that day?—A. I was. Q. Who else was there?—A. Mr Frank and mynelf an office boy and Jim Conley came there under In structions. I told Jim Conley to come and stack up some boxes on the fourth floor. Q. Do you remember what time he left?—A. Yes. about 10 o'clock. Q. What time did you and Mr Frank leave?—A. t Shortly « after 12 o’clock. Q. Where did you go?—A. Home. Mr. Frank’s Washington street car came before my Whitehall street car, and he got on it. Q. Do you know’ of anything he had to do that night?—«A Yes. Ho was president of B’nal Brith and it was giving an affair that night. He had some packages in his hands, some crackers, and things. Q. What is the B’nal Brith?—A. It is a charitable organization. A What were they going to give that night?—A. An affair at the Or phans' Home. Q. You went to the car with him?— A. Yes Q. At what time?—A. \bout 12:30. Q. Who paid off on April 25?—A. I did. Q. Do you recall a girl. Helen Fer guson. asking for Mary Phagan’s pay? — A. No. 1 Q. Did ®he ask for her own pay?— A. Yes. .Wb&t 4* i&A aUo io- vna he MOTORMAN W. M. MATTHEWS. ployee collecting another employee’s pay?—A. They have to bring a note. Q. Did anyone go to Mr. Frank for pay on Friday?—A. No. Q. Was there any necessity for any one going to Frank for their money? —A. No. Q Did or did you not see anyone go to Mr Frank? Dorsey objected. "Your honor. I object to Mr. Arnold leading this wit ness,” he said. "Hp is willing enough.” ”1 move that Mr. Dorsey’s statement be ruled from the record." said Mr. Arnold. Dorsey : s objection was sustained. Q. Did you put posters in the fac tory when there was a holiday?—\ Yes, twelve of them, notifying the employees they could get their pay the day before. Q. What time did Frank go home Friday?—A. Six o’clock. Q. Did you get up any of the finan cial sheet Friday, as usual?—A. No. It was an unusual week. We had to work very hard to get up the pay roll Friday, and I could not touch It. Q. Did that put other and addi tional work on Frank?—A. Yes Q. Did you go to the factory Satur day?—A. No, Q. Why?—A. I overslept myself. Q. Did anyone call you up?—A. Yes; Mr. Frank called up twice 1o know where the data for the finan cial sheet was. Q. I>id you answer the phone?—A. No; the maid did. I only know’ what she told me. Q. Then Mr. Frank had to take your data and make up the financial sheet?—A. Yes. Q. Did that require more than the ordinary amount of work on his part? —A. Yes. Questions Schiff About Chute. Mr Arnold asked Solicitor Dorsey’s permission to use the State’s diagram of the National Pencil Factory pre pared by Bert Green. “Help yourself,” said Dorsey. The diagram, however, did not suit Mr. Arnold, so he had his own model brought In. Q. Are you familiar with this door that leads into the Clark wooden- ware department?—A. It wa» two or three days before I noticed it. It was cracked open. Q. Is there a hole in the rear of the building leading into the basement? — Yes; there is a hole boxed up, but open. It was used to carry wa&te shavings into the basement. Q. Was it large enough to put the body of a girl the size of Mary Pha gan through?—A. Yes. & M aa tfcedo a trapdoor book there?—A. Ye*. Q. Was it nailed?—A. I don’t think so. Q. The door to the department was usually locked?—A. It was nailed up. Q. When did Mr. Frank first dis cover that you had not made up your rart of the sheet?—A. Saturday when he called me up, I guess. Q How long did it usually take you and Mr. Frank to make up that finan cial sheet?—A. About three hours. Q. This sheet (handing the witness the sheet Frank made up Saturday afternoon of the murder) was not made up Friday, was it?—A. No. sir. Q. When did you first see it?—A. The next week, when I got it from the general manager’s office. Says Sheet Is Correct. Q. Have you looked over it and seen that It was correct?—A. Yes. Schiff enumerated the various items on the sheet showing the amount of w’ork required to make It up. Frank had to add, divide and multiply various items, the witness said, to arrive at the cost of produc tion during that week. Q. How many pencils do you pro duce a w’eek?—-A. About 3,500 gross Q. How many are In a gross?—A. One hundred and forty-four. Q. Have you any other places?—A. Slat mill. In Oakland City, and a lead plant on Bell street. Q. Did he have to do any bookkeep ing for these places?—A. Yes. Q. I will get you to state what tTia: second sheet is?—A. Another finan cial sheet. Q The financial sheet Is reduced to one page?—A. Yes. Q. Is this Frank’s handwriting on the sheet of the week of April 26?— A. Yes. Q. You are familiar with the hand writing?—A. I am. Q. Is it his usual handwriting?—A. It is. Q. Was that sheet of the week be fore made out by Frank?—A. Yes. Q. How do the handwriting* com pare?—A. They are the same. Q. Neither you no*- Frank had done any w’ork on that sheet of the 26th— on Friday—had you?—A. We had hot. Q. How long would it have taken him or any other man to have made it out?—A. About three hours. Dorsey Again Objects. Q. How does his handwriting here of April 26 compare with his writing of the week before?—A. Almost iden tical. Q. Does this one o^April 26 show any nervousness?—A. 'None at alL Uoxttay intttXUMtfU Aury should decide that, your honor, said. His objection was sustained. Q. Are these the financial sheets foi the whole year?—A. Yes. Q. What is the shortest time you ever saw one of these compiled?—A. It couldn’t be done in less than two and one-half hours. Q. Look at these—June 6, 13, 20, 27. Are they in Frank’s handwriting?— A. Yes. Q. These of July 4, 11, 18, 25?—A. Yes. Q. August 1, 8, 15, 22, 29, September 5, 12, are they Frank’s handwriting? —A. Y es. Q. These of September 19, 26, Oc tober 3, 10, 17, 24, 31, November 7, 14, 21, 28, Decqpiber 5, 12, 19, 26 and January 2?—A. Yes. Q. You left the following Saturday to go on the road, didn’t you?—A. Yes. Q. From May, 1912, to January 2, 1913, did Frank miss making the re port on Saturdays?—A. No. Q. Are these in Frank’s handwrit ing, January 9, 16, 23, 30, February 6, 13, 20, 27, March 6, 13, 20 and 27? —A. Yes. Q. How about these of April 3 and 10?—A. Yes. Q. You have In your hand the last two weeks?—A. Yes. Q. This is the one of April 17?—A. Yes. Q. And this one of April 26, made out on the day the girl was murdered? —A. Yes. Q He has not missed a day?—A. No. Cash Book Produced. Attorney Arnold Introduced the pet ty cash book to show the small sums drawn out each week. Q. How much did you pay out that week?—A. $39.61. Q. How much did that leave?—A. $30.64. Q. Not Frank’s money?—A. It cer tainly was not. The witness was next shown the requisition and the house order t~ok*. which he identified as having been used by Frank in compiling the finan cial sheet. He showed where Frank had made interest on the order book on April 26. Q. Are these orders correct?—A. Yes. Q. Look at these letters and see?— A. There is a better proof than that. If they were not correct, w’e would have heard from them. Q. Did Mr. Dorsey call for these books?—A. Yes. Q. Did you hold back or conceal anything?—A. No; we gave them everything they asked for. Q. After Frank entered the orders on this book, what did he do with them?—A. He put them on these or ders here. Q. Take each one of those eleven orders and sc* if they were clucked in his handwriting.—A They were. Frank of Nervous Temperament. The witness went carefully over each order. , Q. I have asked you about at senum- W. T. nOLLIS. They came on Saturday, didn’t they 7 A. They did. Dorsey: “I object. He doesn’t know to his personal knowledge.” Schiff: “They were not there Fri day night, and they were there Mon day.” The objection was overruled Q. Was not this work entir y sep arate from the financial sheet?—A. It was. Q. Did you know little Mary Pha gan?—A. Her nam^was familiar on the pay roll, but I did not know who she was until after her death. Q. When did you see Frank after Sunday?—A. I saw him Sunday at Bloomfield’s. Q. Was Mr. Frank of a nervous temperament?—A. He was. Q. Did anything unusual upset him? —A. Yes. lie would go ail to pieces and run up and down the office. Q. When anyone would get cut or hurt, you or Mr. Darley would have to look after him, would you not?— A. We would. Hooper objected to Arnold leading the witness. Arnold admitted that he was leading the witness. Q. Do you know Jim Conley?—A> Ye3. Q. What sort of a negro is he?—A. There isn’t much to him. Hooper interrupted: "I object to the form of both of these questions,” he said. ”1 move that they be stricken from ihe records.” Arnold again admited that he was leading the witness. Q. What work*did he do?—A. Truck and ran the elevator. Q. Do you know his character and was it good or bad?—A. Very bad. Q. Would you believe him under oath?—A. I would not. As to Monteen Stover. Arnold showed the witness the murder notes. Q. Where do you find this paper in the factory?—A. Anywhere from the roof to the basement. Q. Are they swept -.into the base ment?—A. Yes. Q. Why are they thrown around?— A. We use them for note paper in the different departments because this paper is much cheaper than any oth er we have. Q. Do you recall hearing a conver sation between Mr. Frank and Mr. Ursenbach Friday about going to the ball game Saturday?—A. Yes, but n3t exactly what was said. I heard Mr. Frank say something about ”1 will go if I can. Charley.” Q. Can you sit In Mr. Frank’s of fice at his desk and see the clocks?— A. Only half of one of them. Q. If that safe door is open, could you see out?—A. No. Q. Could Monteen Stover hav© seen over it?—A. It would have been im possible. Q. How much is that safe kept open?—A. All the time when anyone is working in the office. Q. Did you return to the factory Monday?—A. Yes. Q. Who opened the safe?—A. I don’t know. Q. Did you look into the safe that day?—A. Yes. Q. Did you see anything of a silver mesh bag in that s«afe?—A. No. Q. Did you ever see a purse of any kind in the safe?—A. Yes. Q. When was It?—A. It was a little leather purse Joe Stelka found in the front of the factory a year ago. It was kept in the safe so that if any body ever called for It It would be there. Says Conley Was Scared. Q. «How much money did it have in It?—A. Sixty-five cents Q. Did you see Jim Conley at the i factory Monday?—A. Yes. Q. Tuesday?—A. Yes. Q. Did you see Mr. Frank when he came back Monday?—A. Yes. Q. Tuesday?—A. Yes. Q. Do you recollect him going up to the fourth floor? Were you with him constantly that morning?—A. I Yes. 1 Q. Did he speak to Jim Conley that morning?—A. No. Q. Did you see Jim Conley speak j to him?—A. N*o. Q What did Conley say to you that j morning?—A. I saw him near the .-•hipping room. I asked him what he | was doing there. He said he was 1 scared to go oul—that he would give a million dollars to >e a white man. J answered that that would not do any good as they had taken Mr Frank. I told him to gc on down. Q. Everybody was excited do^c there, were they not?—A. Yes. t*e girls were crying. We had to dia- j STREET CAR M EN AID THE FRANK DEFENSE j The motorman and conductor of the car on which Mary Phagan came to town testified she could not have reached the factory at 12:05 o’clock. Dalton's testimony False, Girl Named on Stand Say: The Georgian to-day received from Miss Laura Atkinson, of No. 30 Ella street, one of the young women men tioned in C. B. Dalton’s testimony, a letter denying absolutely that she had ever walked home with Dalton from the restaurant near the pencil factory, as he swore. Here is Miss Atkinson’s letter In full: Editor The Georgian: Will you please allow me space to correct a statement made by Mr C. B. Dalton in his testimony at the Frank trial, and published in your paper yesterday? In an swer to a question from Mr. Ros ser as to whether he ever went to the pencil factory with any one except Miss Daisy Hopkins he said yes, he used to go to the Busy Bee and wait for the fac tory to close to walk home with the girls, and gdve my name as one of the girls. His statement, as I read It in your paper, impressed m e as be ing intended to convey to the minds of those who heard it (and of course all who read it) the idea that I was working at the factory at the time he says he went there and that he was in the habit of walking home with me. I have no desire to make any derogatory remarks about Mr. Dalton, but in Justice to myself and my good name. I certainly do feel it my duty to say that his statement concerning m e is false and he had not the slightest ground whatever for making it and no right to use my name in any way in his testimony. I have known him only about six months, and have never been in his company but thre e times. On two occasions I was at church with a gentleman friend who was also a friend of his and he walked with us from the church to my home, less than three blocks, and one afternoon while out walking I met him and he walked with me a distance of about four blocks. That, and a few conversations over the tele phone, probably three or four, mark the extent of my acquaint ance with him. I worked at the pencil factory exactly two days the second w*ek in July (last month), and did not even see Mr. Dalton on either one of those days. I had never worked there before nor been there, and have not since. Will you please state these facts in your paper and clear up any false impression that may have been made on people’s minds concerning me. and the slur I feel has been cast on my good name by having him make such a false statement where it would be published broadcast over the country? I will appreciate it and thank you very much if you.will correct the statement. Sincerely, LAURA ATKINSON. No. 30 Ella street. Q. Were you aware of the fact that this negro Jim Conley sometimes failed to punch the clock?—A. I had gotton after him .several times. Q. You never excused him?—A. No. I docked him. Q. Did you ever see blood spots on the floor?—A. Yes. Q. How did blood spots get on the floor?—A. Well, when anyone cut their finger, or anything of that kind, they would come to the office on the second floor to get it fixed. Q. Would they pass near the la- dies’ toilet on the second floor on the way to the office?—A. They would in coming from the rear of the second floor. Q. Have you seen that hair since? —A. No. Q. Was there any blood under that lathe?—A. No. Q. Was there any w-ater w r here this negro said he found the body?—A. No. Q. Has that place been washed?— A. No. Dorsey took the witness on cross- examination. Q. Dio you talk to Gheesling at the undertaker’s Sunday?—A. No. Q. Do you recall talking to Sam Hewiett, a detective?—A. Only when we employed him as night watchman. Q. When did you tell the detectives about Mrs. White seeing a negro? Arnold interrupted. “How can that have anvthing to do with this case?” he asked. Hi* objection wa» sustained. Employment cf Pinkertons. Q. How many times did Frank phone you Monday?—A. Two or three Q. Where was he then?—A. At home. Q. The factory was full of detec tives?—A. Yes. Q. What time did he phone you about the Pinkertons?—A. About noon. Q. What did he say?—A. He asked me to take up with Mr. Montag the emplovment of a private detective and suggested the Pinkertons. He said he thought it was only fair to the employees. Q. What time did he call you again” —A. About 1. Q What did he want?—A. To know if I had located Mr. Montag. Q. What did you tell him?—A. I told him I had not been able to get him yet. Q. In v our conversation with Mr. Frank did he say anything about his nervousness?—A. Yes, he spoke of it. Q. What did he say?—A. I don’t re member. I think once he mentioned how terrible the girl looked. Aga.in about them flashing a light on the body in the. dark room. Complained cf Being Upset. Q. He complained about being ter ribly upset about being rushed from home, didn’t he?—A. He .^.id some thing about that. Q. What did he tell you the police told him over the telephone?—A. He said they told him a catastrophe or tragedy—I don’t remember the term— had happened. Q. He told you he asked them if there had been a fire?—A. Yes. Q. What did he say about his breakfast?—A. He said one reason he was nervous w r as that he had not had any breakfast and wanted a cup of coffee. Q. How long would it take a man to enter those eleven orders on a book?—A. An hour and a half. Q. You have gone up some since you swore before the Coroner?—A. I did not swear before the Coroner. I said I thought Q. Didn’t you swear that it would take about 30 minutes? Arnold objected. “He asked It like he means all that work,” Arnold said. Dorsey: “He knows what I am ask ing." Laughter followed Dorsey’s remark and the deputies were forced to rap repeatedly for order. Arnold: “I am going to move thal this courtroom be cleared, if there is any more of this disturbance. If we have got to take all of this crowd in, we might as well try the ca-se oul in the open.” Judge Threatens Disturbers. Judge Roan: “Mr. Sheriff, find out who is creating this distrubance and bring them to me. I will see if I can’t stop it.” Dorsey continued his questioning Q. You know that Miss Hall made the acknowledgment, don’t you?—A Sometimes. Q. That would make some little difference wouldn’t it?—A. Yes, five or ten minutes. Q. Will you explain to this jury if you can, how it took 30 minutes to enter the orders and only five min utes to write the acknowledgment ? —A. I said It would take an hour and a half to do all the work on that paper. Q. It took that long to fill out an order, enter the number, etc. Arnold interrupted: “He has ask ed the witness that question and got his answer,” he said. The objection was overruled.- Q. I want you to detail the work that it took an hour and a half to do. (Schiff took ’he order book, the transcriptions to the order blanks, the check, and the requisition from the storeroom.) It took 30 minutes to put this much on the book?—A I don’t think s*> Quizzed on Office Details. Q. Look at this acknowledgment. What are these initials? ‘H. H.’? A Hattie Hall. Q. Then ?he did this?—A. Yes. Dorsey took an order bearing the initials “H. H.” and bearing date of April 26. Q. Did Miss Hall acknowledge this on April 26?—A. No, I wouldn’t think so. It was probably acknowledged Monday or it might have been the day before - April 26. . Q- was the custom to write these before or after they were en- te ^ d J, n this ko°k?—A. Either way. Q. Then you had no regular sys- tem?—A. Yes, but one doe? not hinge on the other. It did not make anv ° le , difference how this was done. It " a< * to be done in the regular course of business. FOR PHYSICAL EXHAUSTION Take Horsford’s At! 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