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t THE ATLANTA GEORGIAN' AND NEWS. FINANCIAL SHEETS ARE SHOWN TO PROVE FRANK’S COMPOSURE') Herbert Schiff, Office Assistant, Tells of Intricacies of Work on Tragic Day \ DEFE1SE; N TIME SOUGHT Continued From Page 1. ✓hagan?—A. Yes, he asked my sister; he didn’t ask me. Q. Weren't you there?—A. No. I wasn’t there. I was In ihe house. Q. Weren’t you standing by your sinter and she said the last time Mary Phagan was ‘«een by her was Thurs day before the murder and you stood there and said nothing**—A. No. I didn’t hear that. I was in the house, but I didn’t hear all he said to her **Come down.” said Arnold. Lad Didn’t Flee Court. Mr. Dorsey interrupted. Q George, has there been any trouble to set you to come to court?— A No. sir; I was playing ball when they sent for me yesterday and didn’t get the message Mr Arnold objected to the question ar.d reply and Mr. Dorsey Maid: “Your honor, Mr. Arnold made the impression on this court yesterday that this boy was fleeing from the court. The deputy said he couldn’t find him. We Just want to show that he was alwayse willing to come.” Judge Roan overruled the objection. Q. George, you were always willing to come, weren’t you?—A. Yes, sir. 1 got tir^d hanging around the court, and asked you if 1 could go. You told me you would send for me when you needed me. I came when I got your message. Reporter Placed on Stand. John Minar. a newspaper reporter, was the next witness. Q. Were you a reporter for The Georgian in April?—A. I was. Q. After this girl’s body was found did you go out to this boy Epps’ home?—A. 1 did. Q. What day and time?—A. Sunday evening. April 27. at 8 o’clock. Q. Did you ask this boy and his | sister when they last saw Mary Pha- gnn?—A. Yes. Q. Were they together?—A. Yes. <4. Is there any doubt they both heai’d you?—A. No. Q. What did they say in reply to your question?—A The girl said she had seen her Thursday. Q. Did the boy say anything?—A. He said he rode to the city with her in the mornings occasionally. Q. Did he say anything about riding with her that Saturday?—A. No. Hooper took the witness on cross- examination. but brought out nothing. Herbert Schiff, who worked with Frank as office man and salesman, wras the next on the stand. Mr. Arnold questioned Schiff. Q. You are assistant superintendent of the factory, 1 believe?—A. 1 have worked in several capacities. Schiff Tells of Duties. Q. What were your duties at the time of the murder?—A. 1 was assist ant to Mr. Frank. Q. What were your exact duties?— A. The duties were divided equally between Frank and myself. Q. Did you have anything to do with the financial statement?—A. Yes. I helped collect the data. Q. Did you or Mr. Frank have any thing to do with the cash?—A. Only the petty cash. Q. Who did the real handling of the finances'*—A. The general man ager, Mr. Sig Montag. Q. Who drew the checks?—A. Mr. Montag. Q. Did either you or Mr Frank ever draw*' any checks?—A. No, we didn't have any authority to. Q. What time did you and Mr. Frank draw your money?—A. We drew our checks the last of the month. We never consulted each other about the exact time. Q. Do you know how much Mr. Frank made?—A. One hundred and fifty dollars a month. Q. How’ much did you get?—A. Eighty dollars. Q. You said the general manager was Mr. Montag. Did he stay at the factory?—A. No. Q. Was any of the financing for the factory done at the factory or at Mon tag’s?—A. No. Q. All you did was to look after manufacturing? A.—Yes. Q. That financial sheet, what was it for?—To show whether the week was a profit or a loss. Q. Why did you make it up on Sat- *> Only a Mask. Men are not being benefited by the summer vacation as they sfrould be. Now. notwithstanding much outdoor life, they are little If any stronger than they were The tan on their faces is darker and makes them look healthier, but It is only a mask They are still nervous, easily tired, upset by trifles, and they do not eat r.or sleep well What they need is what tones the nerves, perfects di- Kion, creates appetite, and makes bieep refr*»Hn1ng, and that is Hood’s Sarsaparilla Pupils and teachers generally will find the chief purpose uf tl t vacation best subserved by this greatijnedicine which, as w’e know, builds up the whole system." urday?—A. Because our report never came in until Friday and the pay roll had to be figured in it. Q. How long have you been making those sheets?—A. Since Frank went to the factory. Q. Beginning with June, 1912, and running to January, how much time did you miss?—A. None. Q. When did you take your vaca tion?—A. That’s right., I took a vaca tion from the last week In Juiy to the first week in August. Q What time do you usually go to dinner?—A. At about 12:30 and get back at about 2. Q. What time did Frank go?—A. A little after 1 and got back before 3. Q Did you do any work on the financial sheet be'ore Frank got back? —A. Yes I got up my slat racket. Q Did Darley do any work on it? —A. Yes. he helped. Q Did you all w*ork together?—A. Yej. Q. Did the stenographer work Sat urday afternoon?—A. Very seldom. Q You were frequently interrupted by salesmen?—A. Yes. Q You would stay there and leave together?—A. Very often. Q Did you ever have n negro night watchman there before Newt Lee?— A. No Denies Seeing Women. Q. When did Newt Lee come there? —A. About the first of April. Q. What was the night watchman before him?—A. A white man named Kendrick. Q. Who was the watchman before him?—A. His father. Q. Did you ever see any women there Saturday afternoons?—A. Never Q. Did Mrs. Frank ever come down there on Saturday afternoons?—A. She would come down some time and go home with Mr. Frank. Q. Is there a bed, cot or anything of the sort in the factory?—A. No, sir; they did call my attention to a dirty box in the basement that was used by the Clark Wooden ware Com pany. • Q. Were you at the factory every Saturday from June 1, 1912, to Jan uary 1. 1913?—A. Yes. Q. I believe you said you w’ent on the road the first Saturday in Jan uary?—A. Yes. Q. What time did you leave?—A About 5:10 in the afternoon. Q. Did you go by the factory that day?—A. Yea, I went by and talked with the fellows until about half an hour before train time. Mr. Frank and several w’ent to the train with me. Q. Have you ever seen this man Dalton?—A. Yes. I saw him for the first time upstairs. Q Did you see him around the fac tory?—A. I did not. Q Do you remember Daisy Hop kins?—a. Yes, I would know her if I should see her. Q. When was she there?—A. The witness referred to his books and re plied: “This shows h$r first as being there on May 21 and last on June 6. 1912.” Remembers Thanksgiving Day. Q. % Did you ever see her around there on Saturday afternoons?—A. I never did. Q. Do you remember Thanksgiving, 1912?—A 1 do. Q. What sort of a day was it?—A Cold and rainy. It had snowed Q. Were you at the factory that day?—A. I was. Q. Who else was there?—A. Mr Frank and my nr If an office hoy and Jim Conley came there under in structions. I told Jim Conley to come and stack up some boxes on the fourth floor. Q. Do you remember what time he left?—A. Yes. about 1ft o’clock. Q. What time did you and Mr. Frank leave?—A. Shortly after 12 o’clock. Q. Where did you go?—A. Home Mr. Frank’s Washington street car came before my Whitehall street car. and he got on it. Q. Do you know of anything he had to do that night?—A Yes. He was president of B'nal Brith and it was giving an affair that night. He had some packages in his handa, some crackers, and things. Q. What is the B’nal Brith?—A. It is a charitable organization, / A What were they grfing to give that night?—A. An affair at the Or phans' Home. Q.,You went to the car with him?— A. Yes. Q. At what time?—A. About 12:80. Q. Who paid off on April 25?—A. I did. Q. Do you recall a girl. Helen Fer guson. asking for Mary Phagan's pay? —A. No. Q Dljl she ask for her own pay?— A. Yes W- What is the rule as to one cm- STREETCAR MEN AID THE FRANK DEFENSE MOTORMAN W. M. MATTHEWS. ployee collecting another employee’s pay?—A. They have to bring a note. Q. Did anyone go to Mr. Frank for pay on Friday?—A. No. Q. Was there any necessity for any. one going to Frank for their money? —A. No. Q. Did or did y’ou not see anyone go to Mr Frank? Dorsey objected. “Your honor. I object to Mr. Arnold leading this wit ness.” he said. "He Is willing enough.” "I move that Mr. Dorsey’s statement be ruled from the record,” said Mr. Arnold. Dorsey : s objection was sustained. Q Did you put posters in the fac tory when there was a holiday?—\ Yes. twelve of them, notifying the employees they could get their pay the day before. Q. What time did Frank go home Friday?—A. Six o’clock. Q. Did you get up any of the finan cial sheet Friday, as usual?—A. Nt It was an unusual week. We had to work very hard to get up the pay roll Friday, and 1 could not touch It. Q. Did that put other and addi tional w’ork on Frank?—A. Yes Q. Did you go to the factory Satur day?—A. No. Q. Why?—A. I overslept myself. Q. Did anyone call you up?—A. Yes; Mr. Frank called up twice In know where the data for the finan cial sheet was. Q. Did you answeT the phone?—A. No; the maid did. I only know what she told me. Q. Then Mr. Frank had to take your data and make up the financial sheet?—A. Yes. Q. Did that require more than the ordinary amount of work on his part ? —A. Yes. Questions Schiff About Chute. Mr. Arnold asked Solicitor Dorsey’s permission to use the State's diagram of the National Pencil Factory pre pared by Bert Green. "Help yourself.” said Dorsey. The diagram, however, did not suit Mr. Arnold, so he had his own model brought in. Q. Are you familiar with this door that leads into the Clark wooden- ware department?—A. It was two or three days before 1 noticed it. It was cracked open. Q. Is there a hole in the rear of the building leading into the basement? — 4. Yes; there is a hole boxed up, but open. It was used to carry waste shavings into the basement. Q. Was it large enough to put the body of a girl the size of Mary Pha - gan through?—A. Yes. <4 Wdi tkede a trapdoor back there?—A. Yes. Q. Was it nailed?—A. I don’t think so. Q. The door to the department was usually locked?—A. It was nailed up. Q. When did Mr. Frank first dis cover that you had not made up your part of the sheet?—A. Saturday w r hcn he called me up, I guess. Q. How long did It usually take you and Mr. Frank to make up that finan cial sheet?—A. About three hours. Q. This sheet (handing the witness the sheet Frank made up Saturday afternoon of the murder) was not made up Friday, was it?—A. No. sir. Q. When did you first see It?—A. The next week, when I got it from the general manager’s office. Says Sheet Is Correct. Q. Have you looked over it and seen that it was correct?—A. Yes. Schiff enumerated the various items on the she'* showing the amount of work required to make it up. Frank had to add, divide and multiply various items, the witness said, to arrive at the cost of produc tion during that week. Q. How many pencils do you pro duce a week?—A. About 3,500 gross Q. How many are in a gross?—A. One hundred and forty-four. Q. Have you any other places?—A. Slat mill, In Oakland City, and a lead plant on Bell street, Q. Did he have to do any bookkeep ing for these places?—A. Yes. Q. I will get you to state what tha*. second sheet is?—A. Another finan cial sheet. Q. The financial sheet is reduced to | one page?—A. Yes. Q. Is this Frank’s handwriting on ; the sheet of the week of April 26?— | A. Yes. Q. You are familiar with the hand- 1 writing?—A. I am. ■Q. Is it his usual handwriting?—A. j It is. v Q. Was that sheet of the week be fore made out by Frank?—A. Yes. Q. How do the handwritings com pare?—A. They are the same. Q. Neither you no* Frank had done any work on that sheet of the 26th— on Friday—had you?—A. We had not. Q. How long would it have taken him or any other man to have made it out?—A. About three hours. Dorsey Again Objects. Q. How does his handwriting here of April 26 compare with his writing of the week before?—A. Almost iden tical. Q. Does this one of April 26 show iny nervousness?—^.. None at all. Dorsey interrupted. "The jury should decide that, your honor,” he said. His objection w'as sustained. Q. Are these the financial sheets foi the whole year?—A. Yes. Q. What is the shortest time you ever saw one of these compiled?—A. It couldn’t be done in less than two and one-half hours. Q. Look at these—June 6, 13, 20, 27. Are they in Frank’s handwriting?— A. Yes. Q. These of July 4, 11, 18, 25?—A. Yes. Q. August 1, 8, 16, 22, 29, September 5, 12, are they Franks handwriting? —A. Yes. Q. These of September 19, 26, Oc-4the roof to the basement. tober 3, 10, 17, 24, 31, November 7, 14, 21, 28, December 5, 12, 19, 26 and January 2?—A. Yes. Q. You left the following Saturday to go on the road, didn’t you?—A. Yes. Q. From May, 1912, to January 2, 1913, did Frank miss making the re port on Saturday’s?—A. No. Q. Are these in Frank’s handwrit ing, January 9, 16, 23, 30, February 6, 13, 20. 27, March 6, 13, 20 and 27? —A. Yes. Q. How about these of April 3 and 10?—A. Yes. Q. You have in your hand the last two w’eeks?—A. Yes. m Q. This is the one of April 17?—A. Yes. Q. And this one of April 26, made out on the day the girl was murdered? —A. Yes. Q. lie has not missed a day’?—A. No. Cash Book Produced. Attorney Arnold introduced the pet ty cash book to show the small sums drawn out each week. Q. How much did you pay out that week?—A. $39.61. Q. How much did that leave?—A. $30.64. Q. Not Frank’s money?—A. It cer tainly was not. The witness was next shown the requisition and the house order t-oks., which he identified as having been^t?-—A. Sixty-five cents. W. T. HOLLIS. They came on Saturday, didn’t they? —A. They did. Dorsey: ”1 object. He doesn’t know to his personal knowledge.” Schiff: "They w r ere not there Fri day night, and they were there Mon day.” The objection was overruled. Q. Was not this work entire’y sep arate from the financial sheet?—A. It was. Q. Did you know’ little Mary’ Pha- gan?—A. Her name was familiar on the pay roll, but I did not know who she was until after her death. Q. When did you see Frank after Sunday?—A. I saw' him Sunday at Bloomfield’s. Q. Was Mr. Frank of a nervous temperament?—A. He was. Q. Did anything unusual upset him? —A. Yes. He w f ould go all to pieces and run up and down the office. Q. When anyone would get cut or hurt, you or Mr. Darley would have to look after him, would you not?— A. We would. Hooper objected to Arnold leading the witness. Arnold admitted that he was leading the witness. Q. Do you know' Jim Conley?— Yes. Q. What sort of a negro is he?—A. There isn’t much to him. Hooper interrupted: "I object to the form of both of these questions," he said ‘T move that they be stricken from the records.” Arnold again admited that he was leading the witness. Q. What work did he do?—A. Truck and ran the elevator. Q. Do you know his character and was it good or bad?—A. Very bad. Q. Would you believe him under oath?—A. I would not. As to Monteen Stover. Arnold showed the witness the murder notes. Q. Where do you find this paper in the factory?—A. Anywhere from Dalton’s Testimony False, Girl Named on Stand Says The Georgian to-day received from Miss Laura Atkinson, of No. 30 Ella Vtreet, one of the young women men tioned in C. B. Dalton's testimony, a letter denying absolutely that she had ever walked home with Dalton from the restaurant near the pencil factory, as he swore. Here Is Miss Atkinson’s letter in full: Editor The Georgian: Will you please allow me space to correct a statement made by Mr. C. B. Dalton in his testimony at the Frank trial, and published in your paper yesterday? In an swer to a question from Mr. Ros ser as to ^whether he ever went to the pencil factory with any one except Miss Daisy Hopkins he said yes, he used to go to the Busy Bee and w’ait for the fac tory to close to walk home with the girls, and gave my name as one of the girls. His statement, as I read it in your paper, impressed m« as be ing intended to convey to the minds of those who heard it (and of course all who read It) the idea that I was working at the factory at the time he says he W’ent there and that he was in the habit of walking home with me. I have no desire to make any derogatory remarks about Mr. Dalton, but in justice to myself and my good name, I certainly do feel it my duty to say that his statement concerning m e is false Q. Are they swept into the base ment?—A. Yes. Q. Why are they thrown around?— A. We use them for note paper in the different departments because this paper is much cheaper than any oth er we have. Q. Do vou recall hearing a conver sation between Mr. Frank and Mr. Ursenbach Friday about going to the ball game Saturday?—A. Yes, but not exactly w’hat was said. I heard Mr. Frank say something about "I w’ill go if I can, Charley.” Q. Can you sit in Mr. Frank’s of fice at his desk and see the clocks?— A. Only half of one of them. Q. If that safe door is open, could you see out?—A. No. Q. Could Monteen Stover have seen over it?—A. It would have been im possible. Q. How much is that safe kept open?—A. All the time when any’one is working in the office. Q. Did you return to the factory Monday?—A. Yes. Q. Who opened the safe?—A. I don’t know. Q. Did you look into the safe that day?—A. Yes. Q. Did y’ou see anything of a silver mesh bag in that safe?—A. No.* Q. Did you ever see a purse of any kind in the safe?—A. Yes. Q. When was it?—A. It was a little leather purse Joe Stelka found in the front of the factory a year ago. It was kept in the safe so that if any body ever called for it it w’ould be there. Says .Conley Was Scared. Q. How much money did it have in and he had not tho slightest ground w’hatever for making it and no right to use my name in any way in his testimony. I have known him only about six months, and have never been in his company but three times. On two occasions I was at church with a gentleman friend who was also a friend of his and he walked with us from the church to my home, less than three blocks, and one afternoon while out walking I met him and he walked with m e a distance of about four blocks. That, and a few conversations over the tele phone, probably three or four, mark the extent of my acquaint ance with him. I worked at the pencil factory exactly two days the second w’eek in July (last month), and did not even see Mr. Dalton on either one of those days. I had never worked there before nor been there, and have not since. Will you please state these facts in your paper and clear up any false impression that may have been made on people’s minds concerning rne. and the slur I feel has been cast on my good name by having him make such a false statement where it would be published broadcast over the country? I will appreciate it and thank you very much if you will correct the statement. Sincerely, LAURA ATKINSON. No. 30 Ella street. Q. Were you aware of the fact that this negro Jim Conley sometimes failed to punch the clock?—A. I had gotton after him several times. Q. You never excused him?—A. No. I docked him. Q. Did you ever see blood spots on the floor?—A. Yes. Q. How did blood spots get on the floor?—A. Well, when anyone cut their finger, or anything of that kind, they would come to the office on the second floor to get it fixed. Q. Would they pass near the la dies’ toilet on the second floor on the way to the office?—A. They would in coming from the rear of th6 second floor. Q. Have you seen that hair since? —A. No. Q. Was there any blood under that lathe?—A. No. Q. Was there any water where this negro said he found the body?—A. No. Q. Has that place been washed?— A. No. Dorsey took the witness on cross- examination. Q. Did you taik to Gheesling at the undertaker’s Sunday?—A. No. Q. Do you recall talking to Sam Hewlett, a detective?—A. Only when we employed him as night watchman Q. When did you tell the detectives about Mrs. White seeing a negro? Arnold interrupted. “How can tha! have anything to do with this case?" he asked. Hbi objection wp" sustained. Employment of Pinkertons. Q. How mnnv times did Frank phone you Monday?—A. Two or three. Q. Where was he then?—A. At home. Q. The factory was full of detec tives?—A. Yes. Q. What time did he phone you about tho Pinkertons?—A. About noon. , , Q. What aid he say?—A. He asked me to tafe up with Mr. Montag the employment of a private detective and suggested the Pinkertons. He said he thought It was only fair to the employees. Q. What time did he call you agam? —A. About 1. Q What did he want?—A. To know if I had located Mr. Montag. Q. What did you tell him?—A. I told him I had not been able v to get him yet. Q In vour conversation with Mr. Frank did he say anything about his nervousness?—A. Yes, he spoke of it. Q. What did he say?—A. I don t re member. I think once he mentioned how terrible the girl looked. Again about them flashing a light on the body in the dark room. Complained of Being Upset. Q. He complained about being ter ribly upset about being rushed from home, didn't he?—A. He said some thing about that. Q. What did he tell you the police told him over the telephone?—A. He said they told him a catastrophe or tragedy—I don’t remember the term— had happened. Q. He told you he asked them if there had been a fire?—A. Yes. Q. What did he say about his breakfast?—A. He said one reason he was nervous was that he had not had any breakfast and wanted a cup of coffee. Q. How long would it take a man to enter those eleven orders on a book?—A. An hour and a half. Q. You have gone up some since you swore before the Coroner?—A. I did not swear before the Coroner. I said I thought. Q. Didn’t you swear that it would take about 30 minutes? Arnold objected. “He asked it like he meajis all that work,” Arnold said Dorsey: “He know’s what I am ask ing.” Laughter followed Dorsey’s remark and the deputies were forced to rap repeatedly for order. Arnold: “I am going to move that this courtroom be cleared, if there is any more of this disturbance. If we have got to take all of this crowd in, we might as well try the case out in the open.” Judge Threatens Disturbers. Judge Roan: “Mr. Sheriff, find out who is creating this distrubance and bring them to me. I will see if I can’t stop it.” Dorsey continued his questioning. Q. You know that Miss Hall made the acknowledgment, don’t you?—A. Sometimes. Q. That would make some little difference wouldn’t it?—A. Yes, five or ten minutes. Q. Will you explain to this jury, if you can, how it took 30 minutes to enter the orders and only five min utes to write the acknowledgment? —A. I said It would take an hour and a half to do all the work on that paper. t Q. It took that long to fill out an * order, enter the number, etc. Arnold Interrupted: “He has ask ed the witness that question and got his answer,” he said. The objection was overruled. Q. I want you to detail the work that it took an hour and a half to do. (Schiff took the order book, the' transcriptions to the order blanks, the check, and the requisition front the storeroom.) It took 3ft minutes to put this much on the book?—A. I don’t think so Quizzed on Office Details. Q. Look at this acknowledgment. "hat are these initials? ‘H H tr > A Hattie Hell. Q. Then she did this?—A. Yes. Dorsey took an order bearing the a and bearing date of April 26. Q. Did Miss Hall acknowledge this on April 26?—A. No, I wouldn’t think so. It was probably acknowledged Monday or it might have been the day before April 26. Q. Well, was it the custom to write these before or after they were en- £ this book?—A. Either way. c*. 1 hen you had no regular sys- but one do# * s not hinge other - . Xt dld not make any E 1 * dlff f rence bow this was done It had to be done in the regular course of business. N q ?? ln ^ court adjourned until 9 o clock Monday morning. FOR PHYSICAL EXHAUSTION — , J. ak# Hertford's Add Phosphate t.i ilhin m recommended for physical and men tal exhaustion, nervousness and weak digestion. Adv. BRING YOUR VACA TION films to us for prompt and cor rect finishing. Use nothing but the best of chemicals and Velox paper. Fresh films and supplies always on hand at John L. Moored & Sons, 42 N. Broad street. Funeral Designs and Flowers FOR ALL OCCASIONS. Atlanta Floral Company 455 EAST FAIR STREET. used by Frank in compiling the finan cial sheet. He showed where Frank had made interest on the order book on April 26. Q. Are these orders correct?—A. Yes Q. Look at these letters and see?— A. There is a better proof than thav If they were not correct, we would have heard from them. Q. Did Mr. Dorsey call for these books?—A. Yes. Q. Did you hold back or conceal anything?—A. No; we gave them Q Did you see Jim Conley at the factory Monday?—A. Yes. Q. Tuesday?—A. Yes Q. Did you see Mr. Frank when he came back Monday’?—A. Yes. Q. Tuesday?—A Yes. Q. Do you recollect him going up to the fourth floor? Were you with him constantly that morning?—-A. Yes. Q. Did he speak to Jim Conley that monrng?—A. No. Q. Did you see Jim Conley speak to him?—A. No. Q. 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