Atlanta Georgian. (Atlanta, Ga.) 1912-1939, August 13, 1913, Image 4

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TITE ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NEWS. HOME COUNTY RIDDLE T Continued From Page 2, ters were dictated that you com- menced writing? a Two minutes. Q. Can you tell now long you were writing those letters?—A. No. Q. When you were writing those letters, where was Frank?—A. In his office. Q. After you finished, what did he do?—A. I took them in to him W. Did he say anything?—A. He said he would put them in the En velope* and mail them. Q. He said you need not wait?—A. Yes. Q. Did you get anything there Mon day?—A. I dfet the timebook and some papers. Q. The previous Saturday when you were over there, do you remem ber Frank working on the financial sheet that morning 0 —A. No; I helped him get up something about gross—I found afterward it was the average sheet. made it up. I helped him by trans ferring some of the things to the sheet?”—A. Yes, but I thought it wad the financial sheet. Q. Didn’t you state at the coroner’s inquest that you helped him the Sat urday before?—A. Yes. Found Her Error Herself, She Says. Q.When w’as it you discovered it was not the financial sheet?—A. I don’t know, but 1 want you to know I discovered the mistake myself. Q. Now were you not at the fac tory the previous Saturday and helped him?—A. Yes. Q. Did you not have that financial sheet before you at the Coroner’s inquest, and did you not identify it? —A. I don’t think so. Q. Well, you said he was working on the financial sheet that previous morning?—A. He was not. Q. Did you not tell the Coroner’s Jury that you were in the outer office the entire time?—A. I don’t know. Q. Now explain how your mind un derwent this change. You said then you were not in his office and now you say you were.—A. I was rattled before the Coroner, because I had never been in a courtroom before. Q- Now. didn’t you say in response to the question, "Do you know what a financial sheet is?” that you did?— A. But I was thinking of the aver age sheet. Q. Now. what did you mean by tell ing th e Coroner some of those girls fame in for their pay and now saying the only one you know anything about came in for her coat?—A. I just forgot. Q Now. didn’t Frank say that morning that he would not get up that sheet until Herbert Sehiff came down and got up the necessary data? A. Yes, he said he could not go on with his work until Sehiff came down. Q. You do know that Frank said positively he could not make up that sheet until Sehiff had gotten up cer tain data?—A. He did not positively say so. He said he did not mind Mr. Sehiff being off if he had done his work, but that he had not don e his work. y. Miss Hall, didn’t you swear be fore the Coroner’s Jury that you worked on this financial sheet which is written in Ink the Saturday pre vious, and now to-day you swear it was this sheet which Is written in pencil?—A. I did not. I was identi fying the handwriting on that sheet. Q. You said lots of people wrote slanting, and it was hard to Identify? —A. Yes. Q. While you were working in Frank’s outer office, you said he was very quiet and you did not know what he was doing?—A. Yes. Q. You do not know whether he was working on the financial sheet or not?—A. Yes; I saw the papers on his desk that he was working on. and the financial sheet was not among them. Attorney Arnold took the witness. Q. Why did you tell Mr. Frank you had to get away at 12 o’clock?—A. He said something about wanting me to help him in the afternoon I told him 1 had to get away at 12 o’clock, and 1 did get away at 12 o’clock. Dalton’s Prison Record Exposed. Dorsey objected to the answer, but was overruled. Miss Hall was excused and C. B. Dalton was recalled to the stand. Arnold questioned him. Q. Who is Andrew Dalton?—A. A brother-in-law. Q. With the same name?—A. Yes. Q. Who is John Dalton?—A. He is my brother. Q. Weren’t you three sent to the chaingang at the special term of the Walton County Superior Court in 1894?—A. No. Q. You were not?—A. I was, but the others paid out. Q. What did you steal?—A. A chop hammer. y. Didn’t you plead guilty to two more charges?—A. That is the only time 1 ever went to the chaingang. I don’t know how long 1 served, but 1 was pardoned in March. Attorney Arnold moved that thP witness’ reply in reference to being pardoned be struck from the records. y. Didn’t you plead guilty to three charges all at the same time? And that the sentence was concurrent on the three charges?—A. All I took was a chop hammer. One of the other boys took a plow stock. Q. At the February term of 1899, were you not indicted for stealing a bale of cotton?—A. For helping. Q. Were you found guilty?—A. 1 was fined $1-16. which I paid. y. After that, did you not go Into Gwinnett County and steal?—A. I was Indicted for stealing some corn, but 1 was found not guilty. Dorsey took the witness, y. How long since you were in trouble?—A. eighteen years. Dorsey to Recall Daisy Hopkins. Arnold took the witness. Q. Is it not a fact that there are now four indictments against you in Walton County for selling liquor?—A If there are I don’t know it. y. Is it not a fact that they let you get out of the county and were glad to get rid of you?—A. I have been back there every year Dorsey took the witness, y Do you know that Daisy Hop kins know’s Leo Frank?—A. I do. Q. How do you know?—A. She told me she knew him. and then 1 saw her talking to him Arnold interrupted: “I object to what she said.” “That’s all right, then.” Dorsey re plied. “I will recall her.” Dalton was excused and the de fense began an attack on his char acter with witnesses from Walton County. B. S. Cooper, the first witness call ed, was accompanied by a small hoy of 6. He held the boy on' his lap while he testified on the witness stand. Arnold questioned him. y. What is your business?—A. A farmer. y. How long have you been In Wal ton County?—A. Fifty years. y Do you know C. B. Dalton?—A. I do. Q. Do you know his general char acter?—A. I do. y. Is It good or bad?—A. Bad. y. Would you believe him und^r oath°—A. I would not. Wouldn’t Believe Him Under Oath. At this point C. B. Dalton was called for but could not be found. Dor sey said he would admit that the wit ness was speaking of the Dalton who had testified .against Frank. Hooper was excused and J. H. Patrick was called Arnold questioned him. y. Where do you live?—A In Wal ton County. Q. What do you do?—A. Carpenter and bailiff. y. Have you neen Dalton here this morning?—A. I shook hands with him. y. Do you know his general char acter for truth and veracity and is It good or bad?—A Bad. Q. Would you believe him on oath? A. No. The witness was excused and W. T. Mitchell was called. Arnold ques tioned him. Q. Where do you live?—A. Walton County. y. Do you know C. B. Dalton?—A. Y es. y. Have you seen him this morning? A. Yes. Q. Do you know his general char acter?—A. Yes. y Would you believe him under oath?—A. No. The witness was excused and I. M. Hamilton was called. Arnold ques tioned him. y. Where do you live?—A. Walton County. Q. What is your business?—A. Farmer. y. Do you know C. B. Dalton?—A. Yes. y Would you believe him under oath?—A. No. The witness was excused and Mis* Laura Atkinson, of No. 30 Ella street, Atlanta, a woman apparently 35 years of age, was called to the stand. Ar nold questioned her. y. Where do you work?—A. At the Empire Printing Company. Q. Did you ever work for the Na tional Pencil Company?—A. Yes, for two days. Denies Dalton’s Story of Strolls. y. Do you know C. B. Dalton?—A. Yes. y. Did you ever walk home with him from the Busy Bee Cafe on For syth street7—A. I did not. y. Were you ever with him around the National Pencil Company?— Dorsey interrupted: "I object,” h« said. “The witness said nothing that reflected on this woman.” Arnold: "It was a reflection for him to say that he was with her.” The objection was sustained. Dorsey took the witness. Q. How long have you known Dal ton?—A. About six months. y. Were you ever in his company? —A. I have been in his company three times. The witness was excused, and Mrs. Minnie Smith called. Arnold ques* tioned her. Q. Where do you work?—A. Na tional Pencil Company. y. Are you the Mrs. Smith who lives at No. 148 South Pryor street?— A. Yes. Q. Are you the only Mrs. Smith at that address?—A. Yes. y. Do you know C. B. Dalton?—A. No. y. Were you ever in his company? —A. No. The witness was excused. Alonzo Mann, the office boy at the National Pencil Factory, was then called. Ar nold questioned him. Q. Where do you work?—A. At the National Pencil Company as an of fice boy. y. How long have you been there? A. Since April 1 of this year. Q. Where do you stay when you are not at work?—A. Right outside the office. Left Frank and Miss Hall in Office. y. How late do you work on Sat urdays?—A. I had only -been there two Saturdays before the murder. y. You don’t know’ how late you stayed?—A. No. y. What time did you leave the of fice Memorial Day?—A. At 11:30. y. Who did you leave there?—A. Miss Hall and Mr. Frank. y. Do you recall what you did that morning?—A. No. y. Did you phone Mr. Sehiff?—A. Yes Mr. Frank told me to, but 1 could not got him Q How late did you stay those oth er Saturdays?—A. 3:30 to 4 o’clock. Q. Did you see Mr. Frank bring any women there and buy them drinks?—A. No. y. Who do you recall seeing there that day?—A. Mr. Holliday. Mr. Irby, Mr McCrary and Mr. parley. y. Can you recall anybody else?— A. No. y. Did you see Corinthia Hall?—A. I don’t remember. y. Did you see a man come in to see about his boy?—A. I don't know. Dorsey took the witness, y. What time did Mr. Frank get there that morning?—A. I don’t re member. y. Did he go out?—A. One time, as I recall. y. Do you know’ how long he w’as gone?—A. No, I can’t remember. The w itness was excused and Wad© Campbell W’os called. Arnold questioned him. y Where are you employed?—A. I have been at the National Pencil Company for a year and a half. y Do you recall a conversation with Mrs. White the Monday follow ing the murder?- A. Yes. y. Can you tel* me w hat she said? —A. She said that as she went into the factory at 12 o’clock she saw a negro sitting there. She said that when she came down he was not there, and she heard voices, but could J 6 not tell where. Q. Were you at the factory Satur day?—A. Yea. Q. At what time?—A. About 9:35. y. Did you see Frank?—A. Yes; I went right to Ills office. Q. Did he say anything?—A. Yea; I was Jollying him and he was Jollying me. Q. Were you on the fourth floor Tuesday morning?—A. Yes. Q. Did you see Jim Conley up there? A. No. Dorsey took the witness on cross- examination. y. Do you board with Mr. Darley? A. I did. y. Where were you Saturday night of the murder?—A. I don’t know. y. Didn’t you go to tho Bijou that night with Mr. Darley? "I object,” said Rosser. Judge Roan sustained the objection, y. Darley Is a married man with five children, Is he not?—A. Yes. y. Did you see Miss Dixon that I night? Rosser—I object. Judge Roan sustained him. y You reported to Darley on April 38 that your sister had seen a negro In the pencil factory on Saturday, about 10 o’clock?—A. Yes; he sent me to see my sister. y. What did she tell you?—A. She said she saw a negro man on the first floor. She said she heard some indis tinct voices as she went In. Q. You saw that blood on the sec ond floor?—A. I saw what they said was blood. Q. How did it look?—A. I didn’t notice It close enough to tell about It Grilled Concerning • Statement to Dorsey. y. Where do you work?—A. As an inspector at the National Pencil Com pany. Q- You made a statement on May 12.—A. I made a statement to you. I don't remember the date. y. Didn't you state that your sister said she saw the negro as she was coming out?—A. X did not. y. You deny it, then?—A. I do. y is this your signature?—A. It looks very much like It. y You can’t swear that this Is your signature?—A. No, I would not swear Q. You say that you don’t know whether that is your signature?—A. Yes. Q. Do you deny making this state ment?—A. I told you I did. Q. Did you not read over this state ment and make certain corrections? —A. Yes. Q. Did you not say in this state ment that your sister went there at 12:30 and oould not see her husband and went back?—A. I don’t know. Arnold took the witness. Q. How did you come to go to Dor sey’s office?—A. I received a subpena. Q. You thought you had to go?—A. Yes. Q. Didn’t you know that it was not worth the paper it was written on?— A. No. Wanted To See Corrections Made. Q. Did you just point out these cor. rections, or did you w’ait and see that they were made?—A. I think I waited. Q. Who was there?—A. Starnes, Campbell and Dorsey. Q. Did they all ask you questions?— A. Yes. Q. All of these 21 pages are your statement?—A. Yes. Q. You were asked all of these ques tions?—A. Yes. Q. Were you asked at the time you w’ere in the office if anyone came in and did vou answer “No”?—A. Yes. Q. You answered that someone camo in to get their pay?—A. Yes. Q. Do vou know this negro Jim Conley?—A. Yes. Q. After this murder do you recall seeing him reading newspapers?—A. Yes. Q. Where?—A. On the fourth floor. Q. How many times?—A. Twice. Q. Is It anything unusual to see spots on the metal room floor?—A. No. Q. Have you seen the place where Conley said he found the body?—A. No. Dorsey took the witness. Q. Where was Conley sitting when he w’as reading the paper?—A. By the elevator. Q. Where was he the second time? —A. In the rear of the building. Q. What paper was he reading?— A. I don’t know. "*Q. Do you know whether he was reading about the crime?—A. No. Q. Was it an extra?—A. I think so. Q. You knew Conley could write? —A. Yes. Q. You did not report It to the offi cers?—A. No. Q. Did Frank know he could w’rite? —A. I don’t know’. Q. Where did you see him writing? —A. In the boxroom. Q. Did you ever see him waiting with a pencil?—A. Yes. Q. Who did you tell what your sis ter told you?—A. Mr. Darley. Q. How often did you see those spots in the metal room?—A. Occa sionally. Q. How often have you seen those spots in the hall?—A. Oh, very often. (J- Did yoG see the spots where those chips w'ere taken up?—A. Yes. Q. You saw those spots every where, what everybody said was blood, and yet you tell the Jury you didn’t pay any attention to it?—A. Yes. Q. Other people got down and looked at them, didn’t they?—A. Yes. Rosser interrupted. “I object to what other people said and saw. It is utterly immaterial and irrelevant/’ he said. “We want to show,” said Mr. Hoop er, interrupting, “that this man was Interested and that he went out to see his sister about the negro, ahd yet he came back there and was in na way interested.” “I think you can ask questions along that line,’’ said the court. “Well, we want to record an objec tion.” said Rosser. y. Where and w r hen have you ever seen on that second floor anything that looked like that spot?—A. I did not look close enough at it to know’. y. When did you see other spots like it on the floor of the metal room?—A. There w’ere other spots, but I don’t know’ whether they were like that spot or not. y. Did you talk to your brother-in- law about what your sister said?—A. He told me about it. Court adjourned until 2 o’clock. Says Girl Didn't Ask For Mary Phagan’s Pay. When court convened at 2 o’clock the defense called for Gordon Bailey, the negro elevator boy at the National Pencil Factory but he did not an swer. Philip Chambers was also called, but failed to respond. Miss Magnolia Kennedy, one of the pencil factory employees in the met al department, was then called and took the stand. Arnold questioned her. y. Where do you work?—A. At the National Pencil Company. Q. How long have you worked there?—A. Four years. y. In what department did you work?—A. In the metal department. y. Did you know Mary Phagan?— A. Yes. y. Do you know Helen Ferguson?— I A. Yes. y. On the day before April 26, didj you draw your pay?—A. Yes. Q. Where did you drUw it?—A. From Mr. Sehiff at the pay window. Q. Did you see Helen Ferguson? A. I had my hand on her shoulder when she got her money. Q. Was Mr. Frank there?—A. No. y. Did you ask for Mary Phagan’s pay?—A. No. Q. Did you go out with her?—A. Yes. We went downstairs and wait ed for Grace Hlx. Q. Did Helen Ferguson ever say anything about Mary’s pay?—A. She said at 5 o’clock that Mary was not there. Dorsey took the witness on cross- examination. Q. Were you at the factory April 28?—A. Yes. Q. Did you find any hair on that lathing machine?—A. Yes. Q. Whose was it?—A. It looked like Mary’s. Mary and Ferguson Girl Companions. Q. You and Mary and Grace Hlx were the only girls in that depart ment, were you not?--A. Yes. Q. How did Mary's hair look?—A. It was light. Q. You don’t mean to say you were with Helen all that afternoon?—A. No. Q. She and Mary were friends and went together all the time, did they not?—A. Yes. Q. You don't know what she did when you were not with her, do you? —A. No. Q. You saw those spots on the floor did you not?—A. Yes. Q How did they look?—A. There were white stains all over them. Q. How large?—A. About as large as that piece of paper, eight by ten inches. Q Did you ever notice any spots on the second floor like the one point ed out and said to be blood?—A No 1 never did. Q. And you have been there four years?—A. Yes. - Attorney Arnold took the witness. CJ. You told Mr. Dorsey you thougnt that was Mary Phagan’* hair on the lathe. You don't know that it was Mary Phagan’s hald, do you?—A No sir. Q. You went with Helen Ferguson to get your pay that Friday?—A. Yes. Q Did you see her speak to Mr. Frank?—A. No. Q. Was there any necessity for her to see Mr. Frank when Mr. Sehiff was at the pay window?—A. No. Negro Elevator Boy on Stand, Miss Kennedy was excused and Gordon Bailey, the negro elevator boy, took the stand. Arnold ques tioned him. Q. Where did yiu work in April of this year, Snowball?—A. At the pen cil factory. Q. On the Friday before Memorial Day did you see Jim Conley talking to Mr. Frank and hear Mr. Frank ask him to come back Saturday?—A. No, sir. Q. Did you ever hear Mr. Frank tell Jim to come back?—A. No, sir. Q. Did you ever see Mr. Frank bring any women there?—A. No. Q. Did you ever see Conley watch ing at that lower door?—A. No. Q. Were you at the factory last Thanksgiving Day?—A. I don’t re member. Q. Did you ever see Conley read ing a newspaper?—A. I saw him look ing at papers down there at the sta tion house. Q. You don’t know wether he was reading or not?—A. No. Q. Did you ever see Mr. Frank make any improper proposal to any lady in that factory?—A. No. Q. You never saw Mr. Frank talk ing to Conley at any time, did you?— A. No. Q. Did you ever see Mr. Frank at all, Friday?—A. I saw him about 1 o’clock. He was talking to Mr. Sehiff. Dorsey took the witness on the cross-examination. Q. Snowball, when were you ar rested?—A. Monday. Q. Did you see Mr. Frank before you were arrested?—A. Yes, sir. Q. Where was he?—A. On the sec ond floor. Q. What was he doing?—A. I don’t know. The negro was excused and Phillip Chambers, a boy 14 years old, was called. Arnold questioned him. Q. Did you ever work for the Na tion;! Pencil Company?—A. Yes. Q. Where and in what capacity?— A. I went there in December and stayed until March. Q. How late did you stay on Sat urdays?—A. Until about 4:30 o’clock. Q. Were you ever absent on Satur days during the months you were there?—A. Between 11 and 12 o’clock I w’as sometimes sent to the Bell street plant to get the payrool. Q. Did you ever see any women around Mr. Frank’s office with beer and drinks?—A. His wife came up there once while I was there. She was the only one I ever saw. Q. Did you ever see Jim Conley around there?—A. Yes. He w f . around there sweeping, sometimes. Q. What time?—A. Saturday after- Darley did. Solicitor Dorsey too! on cross-examination. other folks. The State here referred to sev alleged conversations with J. moved that it all be stricken out. Dorsey arose to speak, but Arno Interrupted. "Your honor,” he said, “are we go ing to allow a speech before th< on this subject?” Judge Roan: "Take the jury out.' Arnold: "Never mind, let stay.” The Jury remained. Solicitor Dorsey: “Your I Impeach him by Gantt.” Judge Roan: "I rule out tlons and answers.” Defense Threatens to Move for a Mistrial. listen to such stuff. going to move for a mistrial.” Judge Roan: "I have already i it out ” Dorsey: "Well, w*e will put Gantt and let you rule on that.’ residence, was put on the stand Arnold questioned her. Q. Were you working with Mrs. Sellg last Memorial Day?—A. Yes. Q. Did Mr. and Mrs. Frank live v Mr. and Mrs. Selig?—A. Yes. Q. Where was their room?—A. Up stairs Q. Did you see Mr. Frank morning of April 26?—A. Yes. Q. What time did he get his break fast?—A. About 8, Q. Did you see him again that —A. Yes, about 1^20. Q. When he came home to di —A. Yes. the dining room from the kitchen?- A. No. o’clock. Says She Made False Statement. Q. What time did he return?—u About 6:30 o*clock. Q. You left him there?—A. Yes. Q. When did you see him again ?- A. Sunday, I don’t know’ w’hat tim Q. Did the detectives come and ar rest you?—A. Yes. Q. Where did they take you?- Over on Central avenue. Q. To the Throw’er Building?- Yes. Q. Was this man Dorsey there —A. Yes. Q. And these two detectiv —A. Yes. Q. Who else?—A. My husband. to make me say I had. it w’as all lies, but the listen to me. mother Sunday morning that Q. What did you That It was a lie. tell them?—A. they would put me in Jail, and they carried me out and put me in th trol wagon. Q. Put you in the patrol w* to get away. Dorsey took the witne examination. Q. Minola, you made the Frank home Saturday, April 26. Frank came there at about 1 o’clock. He did not seem to want to go ba to work and stayed there until o’clock?” The negro woman interrupted So licitor Dorsey at this point to say she said 2 instead of 3 o’clock. Q. 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