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—— '1M MLAiM A WZiiOKWlAiN AN l) JNEW1S. COUNSEL CONSIDER THAT FRANK IS HIS OWN BEST WITNES Accused Looks Squarely at Jury as He Tells of Every Act on Day of Crim< DIAGRAM ILLUSTRATING FRANK’S ALIBI •f • »"'OTv '■ ■ k-: ; V&-:' exactly like that which had been found around the little girl’s neck. Showed Where Girl’s Hat Was Found. “We then went baok and I showed him where the officer said the slipper had been found, the hat had been found and the little girl’s body was located. I showed nim, in fact, everything that the officers had showed us. Then I opened the baok door and we made a thorough search of the alleyway and went up and down that alleyway to Hunter street and down Hunter to Forsyth and up Forsyth in front of the Pencil Factory. n front of the Pencil Factory I had quite a little talk with Mr. Scott as to the rates of the Pin- showed him the eame sample. He looked at it and immediately recognized it. He said he had a shirt like that, but he didn’t re member having worn it for two years; if I remember correctly, that is what he said. Detectives Scott and Black then opened the package they had and disclosed the full shirt of that material that had all the appearance of being freshly stained with bloody and had a very distinct odor. Newt Lee was taken back to the ceil. “After a time Chief Lanford came over to me and began an examination of mv face and of my head and my hands and my arms. I suppose he was trying to hunt to see if he could find any scatches. I stayed in there until about 12 o’clock, when Mr. Rosser came in and spoke to the detec tives or to Chief Beavers. “After talking with Chief Beav ers he came over to me and said to me that Chief Beavers thought it better that I should stay down there. He says: ‘He thinks it bet ter that you be detained at head- 3 uarters, but if you desire, you on’t need to be locked up in a cell; you can engage a supernu- a|| he know*. Tell him that you are here and that he is her®, and that he better open up and tell all he knows about happenings at the pencil factory that Saturday night, or you will both go to hell.’ Those were the detective’s exact words. Tells of Questioning Newt Lee Alone. “I told Mr. Black I caught his meaning, and in a few minutes afterward Detective Starnes brought up Newt Lee from the cell room. They put Newt Lee into a room and handcuffed him to a chair. I spoke to him at some length in there, but I couldn’t get anything additional out of him. He said he knew nothing about couples coming in there at night, ana, remembering the instructions Mr. Black had given me, I said: ‘Now, Newt, you are here and I am here, and you had better open up and tell all you know, and tell the truth, and tell the full truth, because you will get us both into lots of trouble if you don’t tell all you know/ “He answered me like an old negro: ‘Before God, Mr. Frank, I am telling you the truth and I have told you all I know.’ And the conversation ended right there. “Within a minute or two after wards the detectives came back mto the room, that is. Detective Scott and Detective Black, And liance could be placed In either the city detectives or our own Pinkerton detectives, and I treat ed such conduct with silence, and it was for this reason, gentlemen, that I didn’t see Conley, sur rounded with a bevy of city de tectives and Mr. Scott, because I knew that there would not be an action so trifling, that there was not an action so natural, but that they would distort and twist it to be used against me, and that there was not a word that I oould utter that they would not deform and twist and distort to be used against me, but I told them even then if thev got the permission— I told them through my friend Mr. Klein—that if they got the per mission of Mr. Rosser to come, I would speak to them, would speak to Conley and face him or anything they wanted—if they got that permission or brought Mr. Rosser. Mr. Rosser was on that day up at Tallulah Falls try ing a case. “Now, that is the reason- gen tlemen, that I have kept my si lence—not because I didn’t want to, but because I didn’t want to j have things twisted. “Then that other implication, the one of knowing that Conley could write and that I didn’t tell the authorities. Tells of Showing Conley Could Write. “Let’s look into that. “On May 1 I was taken to the Continued from Page 4. 69.25. What it was spent for, of course, is shown on the debit side.’’ Frank explained each of those Items, including drayage, parcel post, etc. “I found at the end a shortage of $4.34 coming about in payrolls within the last three months.” At this point Frank paused to take a drink of water having been talking for 2 hours and 30 minutes. “I finished this work*l have just outlined,” he continued, “at 5 minutes to 6 o’clock. I took those slips—I won’t show them to you— stamped April 28. They were put into the clock because no one was coming into the office until Mon day. “Newt Lee’s punches on Mon day night would appear on the strip placed on the clock Monday night. Just before I left I put a new tape in the clock and made Newt Lee punch it. Then he went on down stairs to wait artd let me out. “As I started out of the factory, I saw Newt Lee talking to a man named Gantt, who had been re leased about two weeks before. I gave them permission to go into the factory and get Gant’s shoes which he said were left there and I told Newt Lee to go with him. “I reached home at about 6:25 o’clock and at 6:30, thinking Newt Lee would be near >fhe clock, I called him over the phone to see if everything was all right. I could not get him. I called again at 7 o’clock and again at 7:30. At that time I got him and he told me everything was all right. “That night my parents-in-law had company at the home. Those present were Mr .and Mrs. Mar cus. Mrs. Goldstein. Mrs. M. Marx, Mrs. A. B. Marx, Mr. Ike Strauss—who came in at about 10 o’clock. I read a magazine un til about 10:30 and then retired.” Told Officer He Did Not Know Girl. At this juncture the jury retired for fivp minutes. Frank conferred with his attor neys while the jury was out. Upon its return he resumed: “I believe I have taken in every move Saturday night. I retired Saturday night. Sunday morning about 7 o’clock I was awakened by the telephone ringing and a man’s voice which I afterwards found out to be Detective Starnes, said: “I want you to come down to the factory.’ ‘What is the trou ble?* I asked. ‘Has there been a fire?’ ‘No,’ he said. ‘A tragedy has occurred.’ I said, ‘All right,’ and he said he would send an auto. “They came before I finished dressing. At this point I differ with the detectives, Black and Starnes, about where the conver sation took place. They say it was after we were in the ma chine. I say it was before we left the house, before my wife. At any rate, here is what was said: “They asked me if I knew Mary Phagan. I answered that I did not. They asked me if I did not pay off a little girl with long hair down her back the afternoon be fore. | said I did. They said they wanted me to go to the un dertaking establishment to see if I could identify the boyd. They made the trip to the undertaking establishment very quickly. I went in and stood in the door- wav. The attendant removed the sheet from the little girl’s face and turned the head toward me. His finger was right by the cut cn the head. I noticed her nostrils were filled with dirt and cinders and there were several discolora tions. I noticed a piece of cord around her neck, the kind we used in the pencil factory. I said it looked like a little girl that came to the factory the day before. They had already told me it was Mary Phagan. We went to the factory and by examining the payroll I found that Mary Phagan had drawn her pay the day before and that the amount was $1.20. *‘A- we went into the factory I notN*v v Cr. Parley going in. office and We I found Newt Lee in the custody of the officers. They told me they wanted to go down into the basement. I got the elevator key, but when I tried to start the elevator ma chinery I found I could not and I told Mr. Darley to see if he could start it. Admits Nervousness And Defends Himself. “He started the car, and when we got further down I found that one of the chains had slipped. They showed me where the body was found, where the shoe was found and pointed out every thing that was at that time known. After looking about the basement we got some nails and a hammer, and Mr. Darley nailed up the back door. Back upstairs Mr. Darley, Chief Lanford ana myself went on a tour of inspecticn of the three upper floors. We went through the metal room, the same metal room that has figured so promi nently in this trial, and neither Mr. Darley nor myself noticed anything oarticular on that floor. Nor did Sergeant Lanford, chief of the Atlanta detective force. “We went to the time clock. I took out the sli-' and a casual note of this ship would indicate nothing was on it. There was something on it. It had been par tially rubbed out. It could not be rubbed qut altogether without rubbing out the printed lines. I did write with a pencil across the face of it, ‘£f:26 a. m.’ We noticed a slip but overlooked any skips. I folded the time slip as it is now and handed it to Chief Lanford. Now, gentlemen, I have heard a great deal during this trial about nervousness. “I was nervous. I was com pletely unstrung. Imagine your self called from sound slumber in the early hours of the morning, whisked through the chill morn ing air without breakfast, to go into that undertaking establish ment and ave the light suddenly flashed c . a scene like that. To see that little girl on the dawn of womanhood so cruelly murdered— it was a scene that would have melted stone. Is it any wonder I was nervous?” ‘i got in an automobile and sat on Mr. Darley’s knee. I was trembling, perhaps. Later Sun day morning, I went to the home of Mr. Sig Montag and told him what had occurred. I got home about 11 o’clock. My wife and I went over to my sister-in-law’s, Mrs. Ursenbach’s, and with a number of friends we discussed the tragedy. "We went back home to dinner and mentioned there the terri ble crime. After dinner I read a short time and about 10 minutes to 3o’clock caught a car down town. “The conversation on the car was about the little girl that had been found dead in the factory. At 3:10 o’clock I went back to the undertaking establishment and found Joe Stelka there. “On Monday I went to the po lice station with Darley and he said he would line to talk to Newt Lee alone. We were shown the two notes found by the side of the slain girl.” Frank' then described the notes. “Now, on one of the notes there was an erasure, but the tracing was still discernable. It was January 11, 1912. The order number was very indistinct, but it was evidently an old serial number. “Returning to my home at 4:15 I met Mr. Haas and he asked m« about the murder. Severay people on the street also asked me. “I remained at home until 5 o’clock, then I went to Mr. Mon tag’s home and made a report of the tragedy to him. From there I went to the home of Mr. Mar cus where ! had reecived a tele phone message from my wife, and I went by there to get her. “At supper that night the con versation was again about the murder. After supper I read the paper. I called up Mr. Marous and asked him if he would come down. He said he could not. “Mr. and Mrs. Selia had a party that night. About 10 o’clock, my Kept in Ignorance of Charge Against Huai. “I went and on the way I asked them what was tne trouble. They said Chief Lanford would ten me. “I arrived at the police station and sat in an outer office for probably an hour without seeing Chief Lanford. Near 9 o’clock, Mr. Sel Montag and Mr. Herbert Haas came down. Near 10 o’clock I saw Mr. Rosser. He came in and said, “Hello boys, what’s the trouble.’ “Mr. Haas took him off to one side. Chief Lanford came out and said to me: ‘Come in here.’ “I went into his office. He handed me —le time slips and if I am not mistaken this same time slip had the figures still un erased: ‘8:26 a. m.’ “I took the slip and examined it Josely, discovering the slips. There seemed to be some alter cation about Mr. Roarer getting into the room with me. I heard him say: ‘I am going into that room. That man is my client.’ Chief Beavers asked me if I would give him a statement. “I heard Mr. Rosser say: “Why, it’s preposterous. The man who did that would have signs on his body.” I jumped up and, open ing my clothes, let the detectives see for themselves. “I then gave them a statement, willingly and freely and without any reluctance. Then one of them said something about ex amining my linen at my home. I knew that none of it had gone to the laundry at that time and in vited the detectives to make a search, which they did. Mr. Her bert Schiff went with them. They were very well satisfied with the search, or rather, they found nothing. Employed Pinkertons To Aid the Police. “That afternoon I telephoned Mr. Schiff to get Mr. Montag's permission to employ the Pin kertons to aid the police. I told him I would be down about 3 o’clock. “I went around to Mr. Wolfs- heimers, got into his automobile and went down town. I saw Mr. Schiff, Mr. Darley and a number of others, including Mr. Quinn. “Mr. Quinn said he wanted to take me back to the metal room where it was claimed blood spots had been discovered and where the hair on the lathe was discov ered by Mr. Earrett. “I exanvned them closely, par ticularly the spots. I did not ex amine them standing up. I got clown on my knees and examined them with a strong electric flash light and I arrived at certain con clusions. “Thpt floor is grease, soap and dirt covered to «i thickness vary ing from a quarter to half an inch. “To return to that spot. I don’t claim it was not blood. The space where these spots were adjoins the ladies’ dressing room. There have been ^accidents which may not have beon brought out in this trial. We do not report every time one of the employees cuts his finger. “There are all sorts of paints around the factor I have seen girls drop bottles in the hall, not exactly at that point, but near there. But the point about those spots is that when I examined tnem there was over them an ac cumulation of dirt not of davs or weeks, but of at least three months. Phoned to Prevent Alarm of Family. “The white stuff was not fresh. It was dry . And another thing: if that compound had been put on the blood fresh, it would have been pink and not the white that it was. “I returned aft«r making this examination from which I no ticed two or three or four chips had been knocked up, the boys told me, by the police that morn ing. I returned to my office and gathered up what papers I had to take over to Montag Brothers, and I took over the financial re port which I had made out the Saturday afternoon previous, and I talked it over with Mr. Sig Montag. “I had a good long conversation with Mr. Montag with reference to the occurrences that morning, and we decided that since the pa pers had stated that I was being detained at headquarters, it would be best to tell mv uncle, who was ill and who is an elderly man, be ing over 70 years of age, and who was on the point of taking a trip to Europe, and whom I didn't want unnecessarily alarmed by seeing in the papers that I was detained. “So I wrote a telegram to Mr. Adolph Montag informing him that I was no longer in custody, that I was all right and that he could communicate that to my uncle. That was so that m” un cle should not get hold of an Atlanta paper and see that I was in custody arid be unnecessarily alarmed. “I returned from Montag Broth ers' to the pencil factory, being accompanied by one of the trav eling men, Mr. Hines (Mr. Sol Hines), and on my arrival at the factory I went up into the office and distributed the various pa pers all over the factory to be acted on the next dav. In a few minutes Mr. Harry Scott, of the Pinkerton detectives, came in and I took him aside into my of fice, my private office, and spoke to him in the presence of Mr. M. V. Darley and Mr. Herbert Schiff. Told of Mrs. White Seeing a Negro. “I told him that I expected that he had seen what had happened at the pencil factory by readina the newspapers and knew all the details. He said he didn’t read the newspapers and didn’t know the details, so I sat down and gave him all the details that I could, and in audition I told him something which Mr. Durley had that afternoon communicated to me. viz, that Mrs. White had told him that on going into the fac tory at about 12 o’clock noon on Saturday, April 26, she had seen some negro down by the elevator shaft. Mr. Darle” had told me this and I just told this to Mr. Scott. “After I told Mr. Scott all that I could, I took him around the building, took him first back to the metal room and showed him the place where the hair had been found, looked at the machinery and at the lathe, looked at the ta ble on which the lathe stands, and the lathe bed and the floor under neath the lathe, and there wasn’t a spot, much less a blood spot underneath. I showed him the other spot in front of the dressing room, and I took him to the fourth floor and showed him where I had seen White and Den ham a little before 1 the first time and about 3 the second time. “Then*, I took him down into the basement and made a thor ough search of the basement, and that included an examination of the elevator well which was at the bottom of the elevator shaft. “I noticed Mr. Scott was forag ing around down there and he picked up two or three or maybe four articles and put them in his pocket and one of them I spe cially noticed was a piece of cord kerton Detective Agency. He told me what they were and I had Mr. Schiff to telephone to Mr. Montag to find out if those rates were sat isfactory. He phoned back the answer that he would engage them for a few days at any rate. Mr. Scott then said: ‘Well, I don’t need anything more,’ and he said: ‘The Pinkertons in this case, ac cording to their usual custom in ferreting out the perpetrator of this crime, will work hand in hand with the city officers.’ I said: ‘All right, that suits me,’ and he went on his way. “About that time my father-in- law joined the group over in | front of the factory, and after talking for some time my father- in-law and I left and we arrived home about 6:30. I should judge, and found there my mother-in- law and my wife and Minola Mc knight, and we had supper. After supper my two brothers-in - law and their wives camo over to visit with us and they staid until about 10 o'clock, after which my wife and I retired. Tells of His Arrest as Suspect. “On Tuesday morning I arose some time between seven and seven-thirty, leisurely dressed and took my breakfast and caught the 8:10 car coming to ward town, the Georgia avenue car, and when I went to get on the car I met a young man by the name of Dickler, and I remember paying the fare for both of us. “When I arrived at the pencil factory, about 8:30, I immediately entered upon my routine work, sending the various orders to the various places in the factory where they were due to go, and about 9:30 I went on my usual trip over to Montag Brothers to see the general manager. After staying over there a short while I returned, in company with an other one of their traveling men, Mr. Jordan. At the corner of For syth and Hunter street I met up with a cousin of my wife’s, a Mr. Selig, and we had a drink in Cruickshank’s soda fount, at the corner of Hunter and Forsyth. “Then I went up into the fac tory and separated the papers I had brought back with me from Montag Brothers, putting them in the proper places, and sending the proper papers to the different places. I was working along in the regular routine of my work, in the factory and about the of fice, and a little later Detectives Scott and Black came up to the factory and said: ‘Mr. Frank, we want you to go down to head quarters with us,’ and I went with them. “We went down to headquar ters, and I have been incarcerated ever since. W e went down to headquarters in an automobile, and they took me up to Chief Lanford’s office. “I sat up there and answered any questions that he desired, and I had been sitting there sometime when Detective Scott and Deteo- tive Black came back with a bun dle under their arm. They show ed me a little piece of material of soma shirt, and asked me if I had a shirt of that material. I looked at it, and told them I didn’t think I ever had a shirt of that descrip tion. Lee Said He Had Had Shirt Like It. “In the meantime they brought in Newt Lee, the night watchman, brought him up from a cell and you and give you the freedom of the building.’ I immediately ac- 3 uiesced, supposing that I couldn’t o anything else, and Mr. Rosser left. “Now, after this time—it was about this time they took me from upstairs down to the dis trict sergeant’s desk and Detec tives Starnes (John N. Starnes, I think his name is) came in and dictated from the original notes that were found near the body— dictated to me to get a sample of my handwriting. Have you got those photographs there? (Photo graphs handed to the defendant). I wrote this note at the dictation of Mr. Starnes, which was given to me word by word, and, of course, I wrote it slowly. When a word was spelled differently, they usually stopped—take this word ‘buy’ for , instance, the de tective told me how that was spelled so they could see my ex act letters and compare with the original note. Photograph of Note Is Shown. “Now, I had no hesitation in R iving him a specimen of my andwriting. Now, this photo graph is a reproduction of the note. You see J. N. Starnes in the corner here; that is Detective Starnes, and then is dated here; I put that there myself so I would be able to recognize it again in case they tried any erasures or anything like that. It is a pho tographic reproduction of some thing that was written in pencil, as near as one can judge—a pho tographic reproduction of the note that I wrote. Detective Starnes then took me down to the desk sergeant, where they searched me and entered my name on the book under a charge of suspicion. “Then they took me back into a small room, and I *at there for a while while my father-in-law was arranging for a supernumer ary policeman to guard me for the night. They took me then to a room on the top of the building, and I sat in the room there and either read magazines or news papers and talked to my friends who came to see me until I was about to retire at midnight. “I had the cover of my cot turned back and I was going to bed when Detective Scott and De tective Black, at midnight, Tues day, April 29 t , came in and said: ‘Mr. Frank, we would like to talk to vou a little bit. Come in and talk to us.’ I say*: ‘Sure, I will be only too glad to.’ I went with them to a little room on the top floor of the headquarters. In that room were Detective Scott, Detective Black and myself. They stressed the possibility of couple* having been let into the factory by the night watchman, Newt Lee, “I told them that I didn’t know anything about it; that if I had, I certainly would have put a stop to it long ago. They said: ‘Mr. Frank, you have never talked alone with Newt Lee. You are his boss and he respects you. See what you can do with him. We can’t aet anything more out of him. See if you can.’ I says: ‘All right; I understand what you mean. I will do my be*t,’ because I was only too willing to help. “Black say*: ‘Now, put it strong to him, put it up strong to him, and tell nim to cough up and tell then began questioning Newt Lee, and then it was that I had my initiation into the third degree of the Atlanta Police Department. “The way that fellow Black cursed at that poor old negro, Newt Lee, was something awful. He shrieked at him, he hoHooed at him, he cursed and did every thing but beat him. Then they took Newt Lee down to a cell and I went to my cot in the outer room. “Now, before closing my state ment, I wish to touch upon a couple of insinuations and accu sations other than the one on the bill of indictment that have been leveled against me so far during the trial. Why He Didn’t Talk to Sleuths. “The first is this, the fact that I would not talk to the detectives; that I would not see Jim Conley. Well, let's look into the facts a few minutes and see whether there was any reason for that, or if there be any truth in that statement. “On Sunday mornitig I was tak en down to the undertakers’ es tablishment, to the factory, and I went to headquarters; I went to headquarters the second time, go ing there willingly without any body coming for me. On each oc casion I answered them frankly and unreservedly, giving them the benefit of the best of my knowl edge. answering all and any of their questions, and discussing the matter generally with them. “On Monday they came for me again. I went down and answered any and all of their questions and gave them a statement which they took down in writing, because I thought it was right and I was only too glad to do it. I an swered them and told them all that I knew, answering all ques tions. “Tuesday I was down at police station again, and answered ev ery question and discussed the matter freely and openly with them, not only with the police, but with the reporters who were around there; talked to anybody who wanted to talk with me about it, and i have even talked with them at midnight when I was just about to go to bed. Midnight was the time they chose to talk to me. but even at such an out landish hour I was still willing to help them, and at their instigation I spoke to Newt Leo alone, but what was the result? They com menced and they grilled that poor negro and put words into his mouth that I never said, and twisted not alone the Ennlish, but distorted mv mean'nq. “I just decided then and there that if that was the line of con duct they were going to pursue I would wash my hands of them. I didn’t want to have anything to do with them. On the after noon of May 1 I was taken to the Fulton County Tower. How Detectives Drove Him to Silence. “On May 3 Detectives Black and Scott came up to my cell in the Tower and wanted to speak to me alone without any of my friends around. I said all right, I wanted to hear what they had to say that time. Then Black tore off something like this: ‘Mr. Frank, we are suspicious of that man Darley. We are watching him; we have been shadowing him. Now, open up and tell us what you know about him.’ I said: ‘Gentlemen, you have come to the wrong man, because Mr. Darley is the soul of honor and is as true as steel. He would not do a crime like that; he couldn’t do it.’ And Black chirped up: ‘Come on, Scott, nothing doing/ and off they go. “That showed me how much re- Ide- Tower. On the same date, as I understand it, the negro Conley was arrested. I didn’t know any body had any suspicions about him. His name was not In the papers. He was an unknown quantity. The police were not looking out for him; they were looking out for me. They didn’t want him, and I had no inkling that he ever said he ceuldn’t write. “I was sitting in that cell; In the Fulton County Jail—it along about April 12, April 13 April 14 that Mr. Leo Gottheh] a salesman for the National cil Company, came running any says: ‘Leo, the Pinkertonf tectives have suspicions of ley. He keeps saying he write; these fellows oyer factory know well enough can write, can’t he 7* “I said: ‘Sure he can write.| “We can’t prove it. The ger says he can't write and l feel that he can write/ “I said, ‘I know he can wr^ I have received many notes fn him asking me to loan him md ey. I have received too mq notes from him not to know th| he can not write. In other won I have received notes signed wl his name, purporting to hal been written by him, though! have never seen him to this dq use a pencil/ “I thought a while and then said: ‘Now, I tell you. If yl will look into a drawer in the i you will find the card of a jevl eler from whom Conley bought) watch on the installment pla Now, perhaps if you go to thl jeweler you may find some sort f a receipt that Conley had to gis and be able to prove that Conl^ can write/ Pinkertons Found Conley’s Contracts. “Well, Gotthelmer took that ir^ formation back to the Pinkerton! They did just as I said; they goT the contract with Conley’s naml on it, got back evidently to Scott/ and then ho told the negro to write. Gentlemen, the man who found out or paved the w*y to find out that Jim Conley could write is sitting right here in this chair. That is the truth about iL “Then that other insinuation, an insinuation that is so das tardly that it is beyond the ap preciation of a human being, that is, that my wife didn’t visit me. Now the truth of the matter is this, that on April 29, the date I was taken in custody at police headquarters, my wife was there to see me. She was downstairs on the first floor. I was up on the top floor. She was there al most in hysterics, having been brought there by her two broth ers-in-law and her father. “Rabbi Marx was with me at the time. I consulted with him as to the advisability of allowing my dear wife to come up to the top floor to see me in those ad roundings with city deteotivo reporters and snap-shotters. ’ thought I would save her the humiliation and that harsh sightj because I expected any day to f turned loose and be returned once more -fto her side at home. “Gentlemen, we did all v could do to restrain her in the^ first days when I was down at the jail from coming on alone down to the jail, but she was per fectly willing even to be locked up with me and share my incar ceration. Says He Krows Nothing of Crime. “Gentlemen, I know nothing whatever of tlje death of little Mary Phagan. I had no part in causing her death nor do I know how she came to her death after she took her money and left my office. I never even saw Conley in the factory or anywhere else on that date, April 26, 1913. “The statement of the witness Dalton is utterly false as far as coming to my office and being in troduced to me by the woman. Daisy Hopkins, is concerned. If Dalton was ever in the factory building with any woman, I didn't know it. I never saw Dalton (Continued on Rage Six.)