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Hundreds of Atlantans Going
To Athens for Georgia-Auburn
Contest on Thanksgiving Day
By Perc\ IL Whiting.
HALF of Atlanta, apparently. is
going down to Athens for the
Auburn - Georgia game on
Thanksgiving day. Not in years
have as extensive plans been made
by as many people sot .1 trip to see
a football game. Os course, a lot
of people will go to Birmingham
Saturday to see Vanderbilt and Au
burn battle for the championship of
the South. But they will not stack
up as anything bigger than 1 hand
ful compared with the mob that
will move over on the fair and elas
si. city of Athene; on Thanksgiv
ing day An excursion train will
be run, it is reported, and it will
carry hundreds of peoj !■.
Os course, there will be plenty
left to fill the Ponce DeLeon stands
to the limit. A goodly bunch of
people prefer to eat their Thanks
giving dinners at home, and these
will be satisfied with the Clemson-
Tech offering -a tidy g. me. by the
wav. from all present indications.
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* Auburn game is urprlslngl; live
ly—and the odds thus far all s.em
about even. It's a tough game t<
dope. Auburn and Georgia starteu
on about even Vims. Both had
slathers of material, much ol it
first-class. Both, have played some
grand gam. tlii - year and sum*
very disappointing games. They are
tolerably **iua' in weight tied
strength. Bota tr< <x. cllently
coached The Georgia team bm
been brought to top-noth condition
twice- once early in the season foi
Vanderbilt, and again last Saturday
for Tech. It isn't reasonable to
suppose that the Athenians can be
kept on edge until Thanksgiving
day. But Auburn Is in no better
fix. The Alabama Polys have had
but one aim in life this year, ami
that was to beat Vanderbilt. They
will be put to the supreme test
Saturday at Birmingham. It is
only human nature for the men to
go to pieces after the Vanderbilt
game.
For the last couple of seasons the
Georgia-Auburn game lias been an
uncertain affair, for the very rea
son that it hasn't meant much. This
year it is different. The gam.' means
everything It will doubtles settle
the question of second place rank
ing in the South. For that reason,
both teams will go into it to do
their best —something that they
surely didn’t do when they’ met in a
most depressing game last fall at
Savannah.
1 T is with regret th it football men
* note an attempt at a revival In
the South of football games be
tween teams made up of
graduates.
This all-star brand of football,
this athletic club stuff, has been
tried and found wanting so often
that we- wonder that even Chatta
nooga stands for it.
There are two excellen reasons
why men woh have left collego
shouldn't play football.
In the first place, as an exhibi
tion of football it is a join An
all-star team might be made up of
Coys, Eckersalls. McGugins and the
like. Each man would know whole
books full of football. But they
wouldn't take the trouble to learn
team play
Have you ever seen one of these
all-star football teams in action?
The men antic around like a lot of
trained bears. • They usually know
at least three plays, but they can't
pull these off. They fall over one
another's feet. Half the team starts
one way and half the other on
every play . Nobody knows the sig
nals. There isn't any team play.
• There isn’t any snap. There isn’t
any science. It's Just a case <jf a
lot of huskies rolling around the
field for an afternoon. They are
never in condition. They tire out
after ten minutes of play and stall
the rest of tin time.
Then there's the other side of it
-and the more serious side, for the
public is used to being bunked.
Athletic club football is dangerous
almost criminally dangerous.
College men skin through all
right because they are hardened
up. first by light training, then by
hard training, then by steady
scrimmaging until they can stand
knocks and bumps which would kill
an ordinary man, even if he had
been a football player one* .
Put a lot of men, softened by
months or years of inactive life,
into a football game, and their lives
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are in danger. They ait in no con
dition to play golf or tennis—and
vastly less, therefore, to play foot- |
ball. Football among untrained
and unconditioned men is suicide
and murder combined.
They tried out this athjptic club
football in the East and discarded
it—as foolish and dangerous. They
tried it in the middle West, under
the guise of all-star football, with
all the celebrities in the games, paid
fabulous salaries for their serv
ices. It lasted a eouj I'- of y ears.
Then the promoter.' ><>und out the
public wouldn't stand for it, and
that the players wouldn’t go Into
It. Then they passed it. up.
And now. when all tin world Is
wise t<> the bunk of it. it isn’t sur
prising that < 'hattanooga should
become wildly enthusiastic over it.
But it is to be hoped that Atlanta
z will b, spared. Atlanta a little
too wise lot that bunk. Tin Gate
City lias put tile kibosh oti shell
games, green goods propositions,
wrestling, ami similar swindles. It
is hardly likely it will fall for all
star football.
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Here is Gilbert Cheeves, the best distance runner around these parts. The
camera snapped just as I‘heeves took a turn at full speed. Coach Bean is confident
he has the winner of the big event in this boy. Young Cheeves is expected by his
friends to develop into the world's greatest distance runner within a few years.
Stein Stone and Bob Blake Help Commodores Train for Auburn Game
OLD-TIME GRIDIRON STAgS RUSH TO VANDY’S AID
TENN., Nov. 20.
Alive to the danger that
confronts Vanderbilt, sev
eral old-time stars came out to
render assistance in developing the
men for the Auburn game.
Stein Stone imparted his valu
able knowledge to the linesmen,
especially to Shipp, who. while a
terror at breaking through the line,
often fails to land his man. Ender
Stone’s training this fault should
be corrected, for Shipp is quick to
learn.
Bob Blake took personal charge
of Peek’ Turner and Yunk Chester
and put them through a hard drill
in end plays. Dr. Manjer, who is
impressed with the wonderful Im
portance of blocking tacklers, gave
I the team a lecture which. If carried
out by the linesmen, should furnish
some brilliant -interference Satur
day- fur the dashing Commodore
backs.
Same Situation in 1909.
It is a singular coincidence that
Vanderbilt faces now a situation
identical with that of 1909 when
they- ridiculed the fear of a defeat
by Sewanee and traveled to St.
Louis for a battle with Washing
ton university, only- four day’s be
fore the Tiger came down from his
mountain lair. True they easily
disposed of Washington and came
home with only minor injuries. But
when Thanksgiving day arrived the
team had gone stale.
Some folks cal! this thing of go
ing stal” a myth. They say it is 99
per cent pure "bunk.” According
to them, the best team wins, which
PIRATES. DODGERS AND
REDS WANT BRESNAHAN
ST 1.0 l IS, Nov 20. -Roger Bresna
han is dickering with three clubs in the
National league tor u job for next season.
The Pittsburg Pirates, the Brooklyn
Dodgers and the Cincinnati Reds are the
I teams with which he has been flirting.
Bresnahan will not go to Cincinnati If
I Tinker Is to be manager. In fact if he
• goes, he will ask the berth for himself.
| The former buss of the Cardinals says
i he has had offers from the three, but has
hot decided on any of them as yet.
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THE ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NEWS. WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1912.
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is not always the case, ('all It
whatever you please, Vanderbilt
might just as well have had eleven
uniforms stuffed with hay in 1909
on Turkey day. They simply had
not had time to “come back" and
the Jungletown team took advan
tage of their opportunity.
There is a fear, and that fear has
a strong heart action and steady
pulse, that the same sort of thing
is going to happen this year. Not
only are the men likely to be off
color, but the fierceness of the Au
burn attack Is apt to put many
back in the hospital squad and four
days is entirely too short a time
for even old Doc Manter to apply
his healing salves in.
Manier Watched Biq Game.
Manier wrote copious notes while
in the grandstand at the Sewanee-
Alabama game and came home
with the discouraging news that
Sewanee looks to be just rounding
into form. Coupled with that, the
Tiger always, for some reason or
other, puts up a game against the
Commodore that is about 900 per
eent better than any other rival
sees. In a word, the situation is
desperate, and requires desperate
means, which is exactly the sort of
treatment that McGugin will apply.
It goes without saying that every
one of Donahue’s men will be lay
ing tor the brilliant Hardage. There
rankles in Lewie’s heart a fester
ing sore over his expulsion from
Auburn. There is a bitter hatred
tn his breast and that bitterness is
returned by Auburn and to excess.
It is his fondest dream to fairly
McGUGIN SENDS FOR
YOST TO HELP COACH
NASHVILLE. TENN., Nov. 20. -So
uneasy has Coach Pan McGugin be
come over the Auburn-Vanderbilt
game, followed as it is so closely by
an anticipated hard struggle with Se
wanee, that he has summoned his
brother-in-law, Hurryup Fielding Yost,
the Michigan coach, to come to Nash
ville and help put the final touches on
the Commodore team.
Yost has replied that he will arrive
in Nashville tomorrow and his assis
tance should prove of great value to the
eleven.
Seldom In Vanderbilt's history has a
{situation presented itself which the
I coaches considered so desperate. To
i night McGugin in a statement said that
' lie was not very confident that Vander
! bilt would win from Auburn.
MEMPHIS BOXERS LOSE
IN BOUTS AT ST. LOUIS
i ST. LOVIS, Mo.. Nov. 20 Harry Tren
dall. of this city, and Joe Sherman, of
. Memphis, Tenn . boxed eight rounds at
the St. Louis Athletic club last night,
the former winning the decision on
points.
Benny McGovern, of St. Louis. and Bob
by Robideau, of Memphis, also boxed eight
rounds, the former getting the decision.
run over nil of the eleven men that
shall oppose him. It would be
sweet revenge could he single
handed administer defeat to his
former coach’s team.
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Every years as ‘‘Turkey Day” rolls around the eyes oi me Prep School athletes turn to
ward the big road race held under the auspices of the Prep School athletic committee. This lon<*
distance run is about three and a quarter miles, and is usually run from the junction of Ivy and
Peachtree streets out Peachtree road and back. For the past three years Marist College has
won this affair hands down, but the other schools say that this time the cadets will have to uo
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Ty Cobb Has Chance to Beat ,f Hying Dutchman’s" Great Batting Record
HANS WAGNER HAS HIT OVER JO# FOR 16 YEARS
By Hairy Glaser.
rpYRUS COBB, who this year
! leads the American league
. batsmen for the sixth year
in succession, has an excellent
chance of at ’.east equalling the
great record made by Hans Wag
ner. who has led the National
league batters eight times since he
joined the Louisville club, in 1897.
In 1911 Wagner finished behind
Klrke and Jackson, of Boston, who
took part in 20 and 39 games, re
spectively, but was given the credit
of being the real batting champion.
But Wagner has established an
other record that many baseball
men think will stand forever. He
has just finished his sixteenth con
secutive season as a .300 per cent
batter in the major leagues. Un
official averages for 1912 give Wag
ner ,J 26 per cent. The official fig
ures will not vary many points.
Pop Anson, of the old Chicago
White Sox, batted .300 per cent for
Dreyfuss Would Land Both Chance and Bresnahan
Too Many Stars Often a Detriment to Ball Team
By W. J. Mcßeth.
Barney dreyfuss is not
going to let that world’s se
ries bundle of coin get past
him in hustling for a winning team,
and the free and liberal expenditure
of money will secure him the big
prize and the players he has made
up his mind to get.
Barney wants Roger Bresnahan,
and ?t looks now’ as If he will out
bid any other club owner’for the
services of the peppery- Irishman.
Barm y- had in view at one time.
This photo shows Frank Harrison practising a leap over a
fallen runner. Harrison is one of Bean's best men.
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• HANS WAGNER'S :
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: for 16 seasons:
• Year. G. AB. R. H. SB. Ave. •
• 1897. 61 241 38 83 22 .244 •
• 1898.. 148 591 89 180 25 .305 •
• 1899.. 144 549 102 197 36 .385 •
• 1900.. 134 528 107 201 36 .380 •
• 1901.. 141 556 100 196 4s 352 •
• 1902.. 137 538 105 177 43 .329 •
• 1903.. 120 512 97 182 46 .355 •
• 1904.. 132 490 97 171 55 .349 •
• 1905.. 147 548 114 199 57 .363 •
• 1906.. 140 516 103 175 53 .339 •
• 1907.. 142 515 98 180 61 .350 •
• 1908.. 151 568 100 201 53 .354 •
• 1909.. 137 495 92 16S 35 .339 •
• 1910.. 150 556 90 178 24 320 •
• 1911. . 130 473 87 158 20 .334 e
• 1912.. 146 562 92 183 26 .326 •
• T0t’15.2169 8238 1502 2849 638 .342 •
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fifteen consecutive years, and held
the record Wagner has just
smashed.
Only seven piayeis besides Wag-
too. to corral Frank Chance, but
the li .tter’s reported demand for a
s2o,©O') salary, with a possible bo
nus os’ like proportions, puts an al
most prohibitive price on the “Peer
less L -ider,” and that doubtless has
tend’d to dampen Barney’s ardor
for the ex-Cub manager.
It is a question whether an all
star aggregation, such as the Pi
rates’ owner has in mind, would
prove to be the winner that he an
ticipates. Baseball history has
demonstrated that the all-star
teams of the past often proved to
ner have batted .300 or better for
ten or more years in succession in
the last 30 years. Hundreds have
played the game in that time. An
son batted .300 fifteen consecutive
years; Dan Brouthers. fourteen;
Willie Keeler, thirteen; Ed Dele
hanty and Joe Kelly, eleven each:
Hugh Duffy, Jesse Burkett and Nal
poleon Lajole, ten years each.
Before Wagner entered the Na
tional league he led the Atlantic
league, batting .379 with the Pat
erson (N. J.) club in 1896. Count-'
Ing his first season, played outside
the majors, he has batted over .300
seventeen consecutive years.
• Wagner’s smallest average was
.305. in 1898, with Louisville. His
best average was .380 In 1900, the
first year he played at Pittsburg.
Wagner has played In 2.169 ma
jor league games. He has been at
bat 8.23 S times, made 2,849 hits,
scored 1,502 runs and stolen 638
bases.
The Elying Dutchman has aver
aged .342 for each of his sixteen
years in the majors.
Ty Cobb has batted over .300
each of Seven years he has been in
the big leagues.
be horrible misfits and woefully
failed to come up to expectations
There is such a thing now as
ing too many headliners on „ ne
team. It would be a difficult mat.
ter to mold them into a concert’d
whole —a machine unit.
Might Create Jealousy
With two successful managers as
players, such as Chance and Bres
nahan, and led. too, by just a j
successful a leader as either j n
Fred Clarke, the chances would ba
grave that the class of team work
so necessary for a winner in this
period of scientific baseball would
be sadly disarranged by the jeal
ousy of the top-notchers.
Any man who has .been a mana
ger and reduced to the ranks, even
If the shift was accompanied by a
big salary, would naturally occa
sion a certain feeling of depression
and grouchiness that would cause
a. resentment at being ordered to do
this and that, particularly when
such orders might conflict with the
ex-manager's ideas. The experi
ment would be a dangerous one eS
pecially with a fiery and excitable
player such as Bresnahan who has
tasted the sweets of exclusive au
thority and enjoyed the privilege-,
i of supreme command.
But still such a team as Dreyfus,
has in view would surely be a big
drawing card and would always be
a dangerous competitor, and con
sidering all the emoluments that
now accrue to a winner of a league
championship and the additional
perquisites of money, glory and
honor that follow a world's series
victor, it might be worth while to
try the experiment that Dreyfuss
is so hot-foot to see carried
through.
Much Depends on Manager.
With managers of the class of
Bresnahan and Chance In such big
demand, it would seem to be a.
Pity If both those great leaders
should be tied up on one team.
And why are managers of the
caliber of Bresnahan and Chance in
such demand? It is simply be
cause John J. McGraw has proved
it to be possible that a manager,
by his own personality and individ
ual efforts, can mold a mediocre
team Into champions. McGraw has
shown that a manager is more than
half a team. It is conceded by the
Giants themselves that they would
be lucky to finish in the first di
vision If they did not have At. •
Graw to lead them.
Club owners have the idea in con
sequence of McGraw's reputation
and record that there are mor.
McGraws. and the present scram
ble to secure a possible one Is the
result. But the club owners must
take into account that McGraw has
been entirely unhampered by hi'
employer, and without the absolute
authority to conduct his team as he
sees fit the chances are that he
would not have been as uniformly
successful as he has.
McGraw’ has lasted, and so have
the Giants, just because President
Brush has had sense enough to ap
preciate that his manager knows
more about baseball and how to
run a team than he does himself,
| and has kept his hands off
Brush Butted in Only Once.
The only time that Mr. Brush
even made a suggestion to McGraw
about running his team was when
Rube Marquand was purchased
from the Indianapolis club and had
reported to McGraw at the tail end
of the season. The reputation given
Rube by the SII,OOO paid for him
and his big- record with the Hoosier
club had aroused the interest of
New York fans to a high pitch, and
they made an urgent request that
the new’ wonder should “show’” at
the Polo Grounds.
It was McGraw’s intention to
have Marquard sit on the bench the
balance of the season and get an
Idea of big league baseball by look
ing at the games. But President
Brush became insistent that the
public’s demand should be granted,
and McGraw, with many misgiv
ing's and predictions of danger,
finally consented to put the Rube
in.
The consequence was that the
SII,OOO beauty’ was knocked out of
the box and degenerated into the
notorious “lemon” that he was fo F
more than a year after his unfortu
nate debut. The Giants lost the
use of his services virtually until
the season of 1911, and the sll,oo'
paid for him looked like thirty
cents as far as the New York club
was concerned.
But that was not the worst dam*
age done. The Giants, by losing
that one game, also lost the cham
pionship, tor they were beaten out
that year by a single game by th' 1
Cubs.
DUNDEE WHIPS CONLEY:
MAY MEET KILBANE NEXT
LOS ANGELES. Nov. 20.—Johnn.i Pun
dee, the New York featherweight, i.-
considered as tin opponent for I !nn J
Kilbane in a championship fight
Year’s day follow ing his victory lasi sn
over Frankie Conley.
The New York lad led all the w;.j
stopped t'onley in the nineteenth ' "m i
with a blow to the jaw that d'"? 1 ? ..
opponent. When Conley got t"
he was so dazed he could not ! '
arms to protect himself. Referee r.yiv.
stopped the go.