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Virginia and Georgia May Meet at Football
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Plan Two Games, One in Virginia, Other Here
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By Percy IL Whiting.
FROM Virginia comes the report
thnt the University of Vir
ginia and the University of
Georgia are on the edge of signing
a contract for tw-- games of foot
ball. the Hist to be played either at
Richmond or Charlottesville next
. fall and the next one to be played
in Georgia and presumably nt At
' lanta.
«’j Over at Charlottesville they seem
f ’ to think that the thing is all ar
-7 ranged, and maybe ft Is, though
v- Georgia hasn’t hail much to say
about it.
Virginia wanted two games in
what Richmond papers refer to as
•’the South.” in order that two
might be played on the trip that
brings Virginia into this section of
the country. Next year it Is Van
derbilt's turn to go to Virginia, bo If
Georgia signs, ft will have to do
» likewise. This will mean that the
“ following year the Virginia team
will do the traveling, and It is only
reasonable to suppose that the game
will be played in Atlanta.
* • •
'P HE Tech teams naturally have
t ' first call on Atlanta. The Yellow
■ Jackets arc entitled to preference
' In dates. But it Is hoped by local
I. fans that Georgia or some other
college will take advantage of the
open dates in Atlanta, in order
that there may bo football in At
% lant every Saturday of the next
I football season. In the season just
I passed, there were several open
dates, when the Tech team was on
. the road. It is a shame that this
should happen. Atlanta is a cork
ing football town, and should have
plenty of games. Also it Is a city
turns out strong for a good
football game, and any first-class
here is a sure money maker.
» » •
ONE of the interesting features of
the football season which so re
f ecHtly closed was the timing by Dr.
? C. J*. Hutchins, director of physical
' training at Indiana university, of
» the actual play in a football game
I His figures showed that there was
■' actual play in pixtgress in but 13
minutes and 16 seconds of.a game
1 that went four full 15-mlnute quar
ters.
It has been so often charged
against football that it was a game
too exhausting on its participants
The tact that the men play only a
bit over three minutes of each 15-
mlnute quarter makes it unlikely
that a-ny mtui In good physical con-
CHARLOTTE'Y. M. C. A.
WILL PLAY CLUB FIVE
riiHE Atlanta Athletic club and
I the Charlotte Y. M. C. A.
teams will stack up against
each other tonight on the A A. C.
floor.
The local team hud its final in
.-■tructions a- Frida) night's practice*
anti is only waiting for the referee’s
• Wllisth to Start tile festivities.
* The Charlotte players hav< al
ways shown up well in Atlanta and
made the local quintet tak« their
V medicine two years ago by handing
J. them a defeat pill, it was a bitter I
,v one, too, and the local players will
c go into th* battle as earnestly as
though the fate of the universt de
pended upon the outeonn .
Jim Harrison will he mi-sing
from the A. A. C team at guard I
on account of a bad knee. "Pie' 1 >
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dress In I'tdted Sta , ■ . r Mexico 15 gents.
MSMda . reign ■i t« •: cents Send ’
yom order now 10-21-4 •
dition will exhaust himself with
the exercise.
'T’HE Carlisle Indians are planning
next year to make a considera
ble study of Canadian football, and
expect to play at least one game In
Canada next year, under the Cana
dian rules. It will be remembered
that the season just passed Carlisle
played a picked team in Canada,
half the game nt American college
football and half at Canadian Rug
by. The Carlisle players won at
both styles of game. Hut both teams
are determined to go more care
fully into the new style of play,
and to try conclusions next fall.
Coach Glenn Warner, of the In
dians, made a careful study of the
game in Canada and arrived at the
following conclusions about It:
In the Canadian game the diffi
culty of gaining ground consis
tently Is so great that possession
of the ball Is not at all impor
tant, and, consequently, the
Canadian players can take all
sorts of chances to pull off a long
run. since they are sure that if
they lose the ball it will be only
a matter of a sow plays until they
again have possession of it,
whereas In the American inter
collegiate game, possession of the
ball is so important that the
tendency Is io adopt only such
methods in advancing the ball as
are reasonably sure not to lose
any ground and on which there Is
little danger of fumbling.
The. game between Carlisle and
the Canadians proved conclusively
that tackling and defensive tactics
have been more highly developed,
in the states than in Canada,
since the Canadians were unable
to gain ground - consistently
against the American defense It
Is true that occasionally they
pulled off runs of from 15 to 30
yards by means of their long side
passes, but it is also true that
these tactics resulted in a loss of
ground to the Canadians more of
ten than they succeeded, and,
therefore, it was proved to my sat
isfaction that such plays, al
though played by masters of the
art of passing and handling the
ball, are too uncertain and danger
ous to be of any advantage to our
own college teams
In the Canadian rugby game any
kicked ball which goes over the
opponents' goal line and is downed
there, and which would be called
a touchback In Our ' game. Is
called a "rouge,” and counts one
point.
"This method of scoring. ' savs
Warner, "might have been adopt
ed with advantage to our game
last year, when there was such a
complaint against the difficulty of
gaining ground and consequent!)
so many scoreloss games. Instead
of increasing the number of
Weaver, who played such n bear
cat game last Saturday night, will
Ham with Carter as the other
guard. Hubard will be on the Job
at center and Forbes and Willing
ham Smith will star at shooting
■the baskets.
The probable line-up:
Atlanta A. C.
E. Smith. IfCrowell, if.
T. Forbes i fE. Stewart, if.
Hubard, c Iverett. c.
Carter leapt.>, rg, Page (vapt.i. lg.
Weaver, Ig
. Andrews. W Stewart, rg
Y. M. C. A. OF COLUMBUS
TOYS WITH CHARLOTTE
I > ILV.UBVS. GA.. Dee 14.—-The Co
lumbus V M A basket ball team
defeated the Charlotte Y. M. C. A. team
last night bv the score of 82 to 14. The
gam< was the fastest seen here.
Although the game appears to be a
v. a lit-over, ti e I'l'ai ate team revealed
an ability at tl, game that should have
resulted In a better score.
T ■ gaii ■ " - demonstration of
t ■ go;< .-hooting by th< Columbus
> d X The lo al players frequent
ly ti it g. tl- •, ith opposing player:.
hanging on tliei nec' -
THE ATLANTA GEORGIAN AND NEWS. SATURDAY. DEC EMBER 14. 1912.
x downs to four in order to obviate
this difficulty. Such a change
would have added to the scoring
ability of our teams without In
creasing the number of downs In
which to gain ten yards and it
also would have tended to keep
the game more open than It is
proving to be this year under
the four-down rule ’
How the Famous American and National League Shortstops Compare
BONUS WACiNER HAS SLIGHT EDGE ON HEINE WAGNER
By Sam Crane.
HON lISlIS and Heine, the first
names, but Wagner the last,
are familiar wherever base
ball is discussed. And Honus and
Heine are teaming together as two
of the greatest stars of the game,
past, present and maybe future.
Honus shortstops In the National
league for the Pittsburg Pirates,
and Heine shortstops in the Amer
ican league for the Boston Red
Sox. each Ju such a fashion that
he has no superiors
In the winter time the ball fan
must be supplied with something
for conversation, and the figures of
Honus and Heine in their past form
an interesting dope yam.
But who is the star between Ho
nus and Heine? Any major league
manager would offer a fortune for
either.
Honus Wagner a Veteran.
If the point of service were con
sidered, Hana would be picked at
the first moment, but when one
considers who will be playing the
longer It Is almost certain that
Heine would be picked, although
the aged veteran of the Pirates
seems to be one ball player who can
go on forever without losing any
of his agility.
He is, year in and year out. the
same old demon, with the bat and
also In the field.
When Hans Wagner quits play
ing. the pastime will lose one of its
brightest lights, and one player who
has beet) connected with the game
for over sixteen years. Hans start
ed his career with a major league
club in 1897. with Louisville. Three
years later he went to the Pirates,
and has been there ever since.
Heine first became connected with
the Red Sox In 1907, and has been
starring annually.
Honus Has Great Average.
Hans has been a terrific slug-
■ ger from his very first day, and his
first year with the Pirates—l9oo —
led the National league with a
.380 average, which was compiled
in 134 contests And for thirteen
•years he has hit better than .300,
with a complete grand average of
.359 for 1,820 games.
Heine has not been so harsh with
the stick. The best mark he lias
compiled since becoming a mem
ber of the Red Sox was .274. which
he owned during the season just
closed.
While Hatts has a grand aver
age of .359 for 13 years of service
in the National league, Heine has
compiled an average of only .255.
so if can be seen that Hans has
over 100 points on his opponent In
this respect and that after being in
the big league ranks seven years
longer.
. So now it can not lit doubted
• that Hans has the better of the ar
gument when batting is considered.
, In base stealing the bold Pirate
i also has a long lead, in 13 years
• he has pilfered 555 sacks, an av
erage of more than 42 for each sea
son, while his namesake has swiped
. only 120, or 20 per season. The
two ate about even up on snerilic
hitting.
Heine Second in Fielding.
Haling the lead in these two
branches is not all that Hans '-ws.
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•BRESNAHAN TO PLAY;
•VAUDEVILLE ’TIL THE;
: BALL SQUABBLE ENDS J
• NEW YORK, Dee. 14.—Roger •
• Bresnahan, deposed manager of •
• the St. Louis Cardinals, says he •
• will accept a nice offer and go on •
• the stage during the winter •
• months. He announced today that •
• he would not accept any of the •
• several baseball jobs offered him •
• until his claim against the St. •
• Louis club was straightened out. •
• •
•••••••••••••••••••••••••a
HOW THE WAGNERS
LOOK IN FIGURES
Hans Wagner.
BATTING.
Year. G. AB. R, H. SH. SB. Ave.
1900.. 528 107 201 9 36 .380
1901 ...141 556 100 196 10 48 .352
1902 ...137 538 105 177 8 43 .329
1903 ...129 512 97 182 8 46 .355
1904 ...132 490 97 171 5 53 .349
1905 ...147 548 114 199 7 57 .363
1906 ...140 516 103 175 6 53 .339
1907 ...142 515 98 180 14 61 .350
1908 ...151 568 100 201 14 53 .354
1909 ...137 495 92 168 27 35 .339
1910 ...160 556 90 178 20 24 .320
1911 ...130 473 87 158 12 20 .334
1912 ...145 558 91 181 11 26 .324
Tot’l .1,820 6,853 1.381 2,467 151 555 .359
Heine Wagner.
Year. G. AB. R. H. SH. SB. Ave.
1907.. 385 29 82 11 20 .212
1908 ...153 526 62 130 21 20 .247
1909 .. .124 430 51 110 9 18 .256
1910 ...142 491 61 134 20 26 .273
1911 .. . 80 261 34 67 6 15 .257
1912 ...144 504 75 138 14 21 .274
Total .754 2,597 312 661 81 120 .256
FIELDING.
Hans Wagner.
Chances
Per
Year. G. PO. A. E. P.C. G.
1900, R. F. .117 117 13 6 .969 1.7
1901, S. S. . 61 177 226 35 .920 7.2
1901, R. F. . o 4 83 2 2 .977 1.6
1902, S. S. . 45 89 146 29 .890 5.9
1902, Ist. B. 31 316 41 4 .988 11.6
1902, R. F. . 59 121 11 1 .992 2.3
1903, S. S. .11l 303 397 50 .933 6.9
1904, S. S. .121 274 367 49 .920 5.7
1905, S. S. .145 353 517 60 .935 6.4
1906, S. S. .137 334 473 51 .941 6.3
1907, S. S. .138 314 428 49 .938 5.7
1908, S. S. .151 354 469 50 .943 5.8
1909, S. S. .136 344 430 49 .940 6.1
1910, S. S. .137 337 413 52 .935 5.8
1911 . . . .101 221 312 39 .932 5 7
1912 . . . .143 341 462 32 .965 5.8
Totals. .1,687 4,138 4,807 558 .942 5.7
Heinie Wagner.
Chances
Per
Year. G. PO. A. E. P.C. G
1907 . . . .109 283 387 50 .981 6.6
1908 . . . .153 373 569 61 .932 5.9
1909 . . . .123 282 413 50 .933 6.1
1910 ... .140 303 424 57 .927 5.6
1911 .... 32 75 94 26 .867 6.2
1911, 2d 8... 40 106 106 12 .946 5 6
1912 . . . .144 332 391 61 .922 5.4
Total* . 741 1,754 2,334 317 929 3.0
He Is the star fielder of the two,
although no one will deny that
Heine Is also there when It comes
to picking up the mean bounders.
They both are stars when it comes
to tagging a runner; blocking ’em
off second base, but figures show
that Hans owns the better grand
average.
In 13 years of service the "Fly
ing Dutchman” has handled almost
10,000 chances, anil owns an aver
age of .942. which really is remark
able. considering that lie has play
ed short, second and the outfield
Heine has compiled a grand aver
age of .929 In the six years he has
been with the Red Sox.
Hans played 61 games at short
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•xperi-nce In the sale of tt that in
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Chattanooga Newspaper Men Stood for Bunk Fight
Refused to Expose the Morris-Williams Fiasco
By W. S. Farnsworth.
AFTER having thoroughly in
vestigated the fight be
tween Carl Morris and
Jack Keating. the Oklahoma
giant’s sparring partner, In
Chattanooga the first of the week,
I have found out that situation
in 1901 and handled 7.2 chances per
game, while In 1903, in 111 contests.
1 he averaged 6.9. For the 13 years
he has averaged 5.7 chances for
each game. Heine In six years has
averaged six chances per game,
with his best year. 1907, when he
tackled an average of 6.6 In each
’ of 109 games.
I DERRICK AT SHORT,
M’MILLAN AT 2D FOR
YANKS NEXT YEAR
' NEW YORK. Dec. 14—Now that John
1 McGraw has waived on Frank Chance
there seems nothing to stand in his way
1 and he will soon become a member of the
Highland team, and its manager And
' already the dopesters are beginning to
figure on the Yankee team for 1913.
Tommy McMillan, who came out of the
International league during the latter
part of last season. Is believed by a num
ber of the Highland players to be a bet
' ter second baseman than he is a short
' stop. Now, what do you think of that?
The same players also think that when
the new manager gets a look at Derricks
playing short, they will never get him out
of that position.
Connie Mack has said that short seems
to be the best place for Derrick. “He.
has that long reach and can go either way
, after the ball, and 1 think he would be
better there than any other place In the
infield, although he has played all the
positions," said Connie. "I am under the
; Impression that when the New York club
Is at work and they learn how Derrick
; can take care of that job he will be named
for that position In the line-up for the
i opening game."
Although McMillan did great work at
short, the Yankees right now are kind of
; lost for a second baseman. Tommy
■ might be good at that corner. He has
. played short most of the time, but has
had to work out at second base several
times, and there is no doubt that lie can
' take care of that job. But the dope seems
to be that Derrick is the man for short,
i and that the Yankees will have no trou
. ble filling that position.
JORDANWANTED TO~PLAY
FIRST BASE FOR BRAVES
BALTIMORE, Dec. 14. —President
: Gaffney and Manager Stallings are hot
’ on the trail of Tim Jordan, whom they
. hope to secure to play first for the
I Braves.
’ Jordan is now in Toronto. *He would
'. have been back in the big league last
’ season if it had not been for the re
fusal of the Brooklyn club to allow the
j Pirates to get him. Jordan is not a
’ brilliant fieider, but he is one of the
■ best hitting first basemen in the coun
try, and it will boom the Braves stock
a whole lot If Gaffney can land him.
Jordan is not anxious to go to Boston,
as he prefers Pittsburg, but a player’s
objections are easily removed.
Manager Stallings is anxiously await
ing word from Campbell, to whom lie
wrote several days ago. It is said on
pretty good authority that the St. Louis
man is in earnest in his determination
to quit baseball and Stallings is eager
to hear from him before he goes
through with some of the deals he has
in mind.
EPPA RIXEY GETS $5,000
OR JOINS HOLDOUT CREW
CHARLOTTESVILI-E, VA, Dec. 14
Eppa Hixey, who made good with the Phil
lies last season, may be among the hold
outs ere long. Hixey does not propose to
report tn the Phillies next spring unless
the club makes good a promise made him
■ when he joined the team. Hixey. it is
said, claims that he was given to'under
stand that if he made good with the team
' he Mould be tendered a 45.000 contract for
: next season. He claims that the club has
i balked on this figure, an.l that he prn
, poses to remain nt h one unless it Is car
ried out. Rixey un ioubtedlv made good
with the Phillies He pitched tfii winning
games, lost ini are t ), v rescue act i
three games.
was as follows:
Morris may or may not have
known before leaving Atlanta that
he was going to fight his sparring
partner. On the morning of the
fight he did know that he was go
ing to meet Keating. He and his
manager both told Chattanooga
fight fans that Keating had been
his sparring partner. Morris want
ed it announced from the ring that
Williams was no other than Keat
ing. But the club refused to do so.
Then Morris and his manager went I
to the newspaper men and told
them who Williams really was. But
the newspaper men, at any rate
one of them, said he would not
make the announcement, as besides
being sporting editor he was one of
the owners of the club. And he
had rather bunk his readers than
to knock the show and thereby lose
a few dollars that would come
through the gate.
A fine situation! No wonder the
fight fans of the South have been
forced to put up with fakes, bunks
and fiascos. When a sporting editor
refuses to tell his readers the truth
! to gain for himself a few extra dol
. laris, It’s time that he resigned his
position.
• • •
YX7 HILE this may not give Mor
*’ ris an entirely clean bill, it
! really shouldn’t bar him from fight
ing. I had a long talk with Mor
' ris yesterday and he seems to feel
, very badly about the suspicion that
has been cast on him.
"As soon as I found out that I
was to fight Keating I asked the
club promoters to call off the
match," said Carl. “They refused
to do it. I couldn’t sidestep, or
Chattanooga fans would have said
I was afraid of Williams. So I
i went on and gave him a terrible
beating. When I got through with
him his face was cut to ribbons,
and I don’t believe lie will be able
. to fight again for many weeks."
A T ORRIS was willing to call oft'
’ ■’’■‘his fight with Al Kubiak here
Tuesday night. But after having
investigated the Chattanooga case
I advised him to go through with
Kubiak and vindicate himself.
Kubiak and Morris will cut Tues
. day night's gate 75 and 25. There
i doesn't seem to be a chance in the
[ world that the men have an “un
; demanding.” Morris will be a dead
. one forever if there is any fake
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connected with the show. He knows
that, and I look for him to fight at
his best.
Kubiak has always contended
that Morris was made for him. in
fact, Al claims that twice .Morris
ran out on him. and he would have
fought winner-take-all had not the
promoters thought it best to cut
the purse 75 and 25.
"A winner-take-all basis sounds
suspicious,” said Promoter Norton
this morning. “The fans always
I think that a fake is coming oft
when it is announced that the mon
ey will all go to the winner, so I
induced the men to split 75 per >.<nt
to the winner and 25 to the loser."
BROOKLYN TURNS MILLER
OVER TO NASHVILLE CLUB
NASHVILLE, TENN,, Dec. 14. -
Through the working agreement thnt
exists between Nashville and the
Brooklyn clubs, Otto Miller will b
turned over to the Volunteers next sea
son. Miller is one of the first string
catchers for the Dodgers, but such
great baekstoppers as Erwin and
Phelps will just about crowd Otto off
Ebbetts’ pay roll.
Miller will fill the shoes of one Rowdy
Elliott and it goes without saying that
he will not have any great big task do
ing it. Otto ought to perform wonders
for Nashville, as he is possessed of a
great amount of gray matter and can
teach the young pitchers many a trick
of inside baseball.
Otto Is rather a handy man with the
hickory, pasting the pellet last se.i.-on
in close to a hundred games for an
average of .278, which will, no doubt,
make him an object of respect to th
Southern league slubmen.
Otto isn’t very enthusiastic over the
pay check Hirsig has offered him and
has entered a vigorous protest, but this
difference will no doubt be adjusted ■
time for the spring training.
WESLEY MEMORIAL AND
A. A. C. TEAMS WINNERS
The referees’ whistles at the Armory
and Y, M. C. A. courts last night sent
four teams on their way in the thin
season of the Atlanta Basket Ila!
league. The visiting teams were vic
tors in both instances. The Wesley
Memorial laris took the Fifth Regiment
into camp, 31 to 30, while the Atlanta
Athletic club won a hard fought game
from the plucky Y. M. C. A. quintet.
CARPENTER COMES BACK.
Umpire “Billy” Carpenter, who leT
the Southern league last season to go
to the International, will be seen on
the Southern diamonds again next sea
son.