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had only gone on a certain length of
time?—A. Yes.
Q. Didn’t you say that certain cir
cumstances retard digestion?—A.
Yes. but I didn't say that anything
could retard tho flow of the digestive
juices. No one has ever shown that
anything could retard the process of
digestion.
Head Wound Not Serious.
Q. I believe you said that wound
on the head did not cause any pres
sure on the brain?—A. Yes.
Q. Was it cut through to the skull?
—A. Yes.
Q. What arteries were there?—A.
Only some trifling blood vessels.
Q. I believe you said It might have
bled a good deal?—A. Yes, it might.
A cut on the head usually causes a
good deal of blood to flow.
Q. I believe you said it was not
sufficient to have caused death?—A.
Yes, I did.
Solicitor Dorsey then took the wit
ness..
Q. Mr. Arnold was asking you yes
terday about poisons. Was there any
evidence on the mucous membrane of
poisons?—A. There could not have
been any irritant poisons. Their evi-
show indigestion?—A. No. Very many
people have indigestion several years
and don’t know it. They don’t even
feel it themselves.
Q. How long does the stomach take
to free itself when It Is full?—A. That
hao been Investigated rather thor
oughly. but It varies. I would say
about 7 1-2 hours.
Q. How long does it take some sub
stance that the stomach does not di
gest to pass out?—A. That is hard
to say. They probably pass through
in a foreign body
Q. How long would it take?—A.
That depends. The ftomach doesn't
like to free itself of meat until It Is
emulsified. Then It goes out vert
freely.
About Digestion of Cabbage.
Q. That is Just the point. Does
the stomach emulsify cabbage or
corn?—A. Oh, yes; there is always a
constant churning motion.
Q. How about corn?—A. It might
pass through without emulsifying.
Q. Peas?—A. Yes.
Q. You would not attempt to enu
merate what vegetables would pass
through the stomach to the intestines?
A. No, I would not.
Q. Is it not a fact that the first
knowledge of digestion comes from
that Canadian case?—A. Yes.
Q. Is it/not a fact that the only
experiments before that time were
made on rabbits and other animals
for vegetables, and animals for meat?
A. Yes. *
Q. Is there any animal that eats
everything that man does?—A. Yes,
the swine.
Q. Any other
the cat does.
Q. Well, isn’t the wildcat a carniv
erous animal strictly?—A. I don’
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to digest? I mean, leaving your ex
periments and speaking from the
viewpoint of science.—A. I don’t know
that science has ever determined that.
Q. Isn’t cabbage regarded as one of
the hardest vegetables to digest?—A.
I probably have heard that. It may
be that after cabbage has gone
through the stomach, trouble may be
caused In the small Intestines that
may be what has given the geenral
idea that cabbage is hard to digest.
Q. Didn’t you say when .you first
testified that you couldn’t tell any
thing about the bread in the stom
ach?—A. I don’t think I made that
statement.
Mr. Arnold read his testimony
previously given.
Dr. Harris: “If I said that, I did
not mean it in that sense. I meant
that you could tell nothing about it
by observing with the naked eye.”
Q. You said It was impossible to
state absolutely how long that cab
bage had been in Mary Phagan’s
stomach?—A. I meant I could not
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asked the witness if he, in all his
medical experience, had ever known
of a physician of repute giving his
opinion p.s to the unconsciousness »f
a person with no more data than had
been in the possession of I)r. Harris.
Dr. Childs replied that he never
had.
B. Dalton, who
His first testimony of Importance,
5f it was believed by the Jury, served
utterly to demolish the most sensa
tional declaration of Dr. Harris, who
Ptartled his hearers last Friday by
announcing with every appearance of
certainty that Mary Phagan came to
her death probably within 30 min
utes of the time she ateh er dinner
April 26. positively within 45 min
utes. Dr. Harris stated that he knew
because the cabbage he found in the
girl's stomach hardly had been af
fected by the digestive Juices
Attorney Arnold showed Dr. Childs
the specimen of cabbage from the
Phagan girl’s stomach.
The medical expert examined It and
Bald:
'*1 have ween cabbage less changed
by the digestive Juices than that
w hich had been in a person’s stomach
Tor twelve hours.”
Dr. Childs continued his rebuttal of
testimony of Dr. Harris by saying
that It was impossible to tell within
tiours how long any of the carbo
hydrates, of which cabbage Is one.
have been In the human stomach.
The digestive process on carbo
hydrates. he declared, are practically
nil while this class of foods is in the
stomach. Cabbage, for example, may
remain in the stomach for hours with
little change from the digestive
Juices. The digestion, for the most
part, occurs after the cabbage has
passed into the small intestines, the
physician said.
Dr. Harris' estimate, he declared,
was only a guess.
He characterised in the same man
ner Dr. Harris’ declaration that the
blow' Mary Phagan received on the
back of the head caused unconscious
ness.
Arnold propounded to Ills witness a
hypothetical question based on the
circumstances under which Mary
Phagan’s body was exhumed and ex
amined nine days after burial.
“If, under these circumstances,”
said Arnold, "there was found a
•wound on the back of her head which
one physician said was 1 1-2 Inches
long and another said was 2 1-4
Inches, and there was found no frac
ture of the skull or injury to the
brain, would any physician be Justi
fied in saying that the person re
ceiving the blow was rendered un
conscious?"
“He would have had to guess one
way or the other,” said Dr. Childs.
"There was absolutely no way t tell
whether the blow caused uncon
sciousness."
Arnold also brought the startling
testimony that a wound made from
one to three hours after death has
the same appearance as a ,vound
shortly before death.
The mysterious f
was expected to make sensational
revelations of incidents in which Leo
Frank was alleged to have partici
pated in the National Pencil Fac
tory, proved a very tabe and common
place witness when he was called
Thursday.
The most that Dalton could say
was that, on several of his visits to
the factory, he had seen women In
Frunk’s office. He told of no com
promising situations. He was not
even able to identify the women. He
did * not know whether or not they
were members of Frank’s own fam
ily. All that he knew was that they
did not appear to be Stenographers
as he never saw them writing.
Dalton, wheh he was questioned by
Luther Rosser, was not even sure
of his own birthplace. He thought it
was somewhere in Laurens County.
He explained his presence by saying
that he had gone to the factory with
a Miss Daisy Hopkins. He said that
he waw Frank in the office with two
or three women, and that cool drinks
generally were in evidence, (in one
occasion he said Frank and his visi
tors were drinking beer.
Detective Rosser on the Stand.
Detective Bass Rosser was on the
witness stand for a few minutes and
whh questioned briefly. He testified
that when he saw Mrs. Arthur White
the Monday after the crime she failed
to tell him that she had seen a ne
gro In the factory the Saturday the
Starnes and Chief Beavers,” said Dor
sey.
Judge Roan ruled that he would let
them go to the jury.
Dorsey;
State’s Case Nearly Finished.
"Now, I want the cash book and
the bank book of the National Pencil
Company.”
Arnold said they would be fur
nished.
Dorsey:
“I want it understood as soon as
Dr. Harris is able t6 complete his tes
timony the State is ready to rest its
case."
"Mr. Dorsey,” said Arnold, “will you”
tell Mr. Dalton not to leave. We may
want to recall him.”
Judge Roan declared a recess until
Dr. Harris could reach the court. He
said it would be about 10 o’clock.
Dalton Recalled for Moment.
Dorsey recalled the witness.
I y. Were you ever in the pencil fac
tory with Daisy Hopkins?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you go to tho factory with
her?—A. Yes.
Q. Where was Frank?—A. In his
office.
Q. Where did you go?—A. In the j
basement.
Q. Did he know you were there?— j
A. Yes.
Q. Did Conley know you were there? j
A. Yea.
Q. Who else?- A. The night watch
man at one time.
Court then had a recess until Dr.
H. F. Harris, who was excused from
the witness stand Wednesday on ac
count of illness, could arrive in court.
The recess lasted for more than an
| hour. Dr. Harris, when he arrived
j upon the stand, was questioned upon
cross-examination by Attorney Reu
ben Arnold.
Q. Unfavorable circumstances some
times retard digestion, don't they?—
A. Well, that is a very grave matter,
and there is so little data on the sub
ject it is hard to answer.
About External Circumstances.
Q. You would not say then that
external circumstances, some undue
mental excitement, might delay di
gestion?—A. I really don’t know.
There was an old Roman proverb
that a person should take a walk aft
er eating. Others say sleeping after
a meal aids digestion.
Q. Then there is no set rule for di
gestion? Everybody is a rule unto
themselves?—A. Not altogether. The
average normal stomach is about the
same in liigeMtlon.
Q. There is no indication on the
! outside of the body that would indi
cate how far digestion has gone?—A
None whatever.
Q. Don’t the pul-sv or temperature
were you?—A. Somewhere in Walton
County.
Gave Conley Money.
Q. As a matter of fact, you know
where your family lived when you
were horn, don’t you?—A. Somewhere
near Lawrenceville.
Solicitor Dorsey took the witness on
the redirect examination.
Q. DVI you ever give Jim Conley
nnything?—A. Sometimes I would give
him a quarter and sometimes 50
cents. Sometimes they would have
cold drinks, and sometimes they
would have beer.
Rosser took the witness again.
Q. When did you see beer there?—
A. On Saturday afternoons—I don’t
remember the dates.
Q. Can you name specifically any
time last fall that you went there?—
A. Not the dAy, but it was some time
o’clock in the afternoon. Mr.
little later engaged in conversation |
with his attorneys. Dr. Childs enter- t
ed tho courtroom and talked several ,
minutes with the defendant.
Mr. Arnold said:
"Further than this witness I don’t
Frank at the pencil factory?” asked
Mr. Rosser.
“Last fall some time.”
Q. Where was Frank at that time?
—A. At his office.
Q. Who was in there with him?—A.
Some ladies.
Q. Were there any other men in
there with him?—A. No; he was the
only man.
Q. Who was you with?—A. Miss
Daisy Hopkins.
Q. Do you know the names of the
ladies in the office with Mr. Frank?—
A. No.
Q. Where did you go?—A. I went to
the basement.
Q. Was Miss Daisy with you?—A.
Yes.
(j. When did you go to the factory
again?—A. Right before Christmas.
Q. Who introduced you to Frank?—
A. Miss Daisy Hopkins.
Q. She Just said to Mr. Frank. "This
is my friend, Mr. Dalton,” did she?—
A. Yes.
Went to Basement.
Q. You were never in his office aft
er Christmas?—A. No.
Q. When you went into the factory
with Miss Daisy, you went down to
the basement with her. didn't you?—
A. Yes.
q. w'here did you go down into the
basement?—A. We went down the
ladder by the elevator.
Q. Where did you go In the base
ment?—A. Right to where there were
some boxes in the little room In the
rea r.
Q. Where did you live last year?—
A. No. 337 East Hunter street.
Q. Who did you work for?—A. Mr.
Heflin, n contractor.
Q. Where did you \tfork after that?
—A. With Captain John McGinnis.
Q What time did you see Frank in
* his office?—A. Some time between 2
and 3 o’clock.
Q. Were the windows up?—A. I
don’t know.
Q. Did you see any curtains?—A
No, but the office was very light.
I Q. There were two windows In each
office, weren’t there?—A. Yes.
► Q. Do you know whether there was
anyone else In the factory when you
* saw Mr. Frank?—A. Yes; the negroes
were there.
Saw Neg o Watchman.
Q. What time at night was it when
the night watchman was there?—A. 1
don’t know.
Q. Was it a negro watchman?—A.
i Yes
Q Was that this year 0 —A. No.
Q. Were you ever in Walton Coun-
! ty?—A. I lived there twenty years.
Q. How long were you away from
there?—A. I went to Lawrenceville
for about a year.
Q. How long ago?—A. I don’t know.
I forget Just how long ago it was.
Q. Did you ever go with anyone to
the pencil factory except Miss Daisy
* Hopkins?—A. Yes. 1 used to go to the
Busy Bee and wait for the factory to
l close to walk home with the girls.
i Q. ('an you name the girls?—A.
Yes; Miss Laura Atkinson and a Miss
1 Laura Smith, of No. 148 South Pryor
.■ street
Q. Do you go there any more?—A.
i No; 1 haven’t been to the Busy Bee.
l In a long time.
» Q. Where were you born?—A I
don’t know.
r Q. When you first woke up, where
A. I rather think
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Frank would have the cold drinks on
a waiter in his office.
Can’t Give Women’s Names.
Q. And that is a« definite as you
can fix it?—A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know the women be
sides the ones you name?—A. No.
Q. Can you describe them?—A. No.
“Come down.”
City Detective S. L. Rosser took the
stand.
Q. Since April 26, have you been
engaged in this case?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you visit Mrs. Arthur White
subsequent to that date?—A. Yes.
Q. At what time?—A. Monday, April
28.
Q. Did she say anything about see
ing a negro at the pencil factory Sat
urday?—A. No.
Q. What was tho first time she
mentioned to you seeing a negro at
the factory?—A. May 6.
“I want to record an objection to
that, your honor," said Rosser.
Rosser took the witness.
She Made Statement.
Q. Did you ask her?—A. No; but
she made a statement.
Dorsey took the witness on redi
rect.
Q. Did *you take anything to Dr.
Claude Smith?—A. Yes; some chips.
Q. Are these the chips?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you make a search of the
areaway around the elevator?—A.
Yes.
Q. Did you find anything like this
(showing the bludgeon alleged to have
been found by the Pinkertons) ?—A.
No.
Q. Would you have
Yes.
Attorney Rosser took the witness
again.
Q. Don’t you know this roller has
been In that factory two years?—A. It
may have been, but it was not on
the first floor when we made our
search.
State Wins Ruling.
Q. You made a good search?—A.
Yes.
Q. Do you know these are the same
chips?—A. Yes, I am sure of that.
The witness was excused.
Dorsey addressed the court:
“I don't know whether we tendered
that bloody shirt or not. If we did
not, 1 want to tender it now. 1 also
want to enter these chips.”
Attorney Rosser;
j “They haven't been identified.”
“They were identified by Detective I
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