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DAISY HOPKINS DENIES VISITING PENCIL FACTORY WITH DALTON
Girl Mentioned by Conley Swears That Leo Frank Never Spoke to Her
STREET CAR CREW TELE'
MRS. LEO FRANK PHOTOGRAPHED AS
SHE LEAVES COURTHOUSE IN AUTO
RIDETQPENCILFACTORY
Continued From Page 1.
Q. What department?—A Packing
depn rtment.
Q. What floor?—A. Second floor.
Q. How many other girls worked
there?—A. Sometimes there were as
many as ten.
Q. Did you know Deo M Frank?—
A. I knew him when I saw him. I
saw him para around the factorv
Q Did he ever speak to you?—A
No. never in my life
Denies Drinking in Frank's Office.
Q. Did you ever go into Frank s
offlc e and drink beer and cold drinks
with other women?—A- No, 1 never
went into his office and I don’t drink.
Q. Do you know C. B. Dalton?—A.
t know him when I eee him.
Q Did you ever speak to him?—A
I went to his home once to see his
sister and spok« to him. That is the
only time.
Q. Did you ever go to the pencil
factory with Dalton?—A. No, I never
did.
Q. Did you introduce him to Mr.
Frank?—A. No, I did not.
Q. Did you ever go into the factory
and go into the basement with Dal
ton?—A No, I don’t even know where
the basement is. I never have been
in it.
Says She Was Married.
Dorsey took the witness on cross-
examination.
Q. Were you ever married?—A.
Yes.
Q. Where?—A. Redair.
Q. Who did you marry?—A. E. A.
Sills.
Q. Who married you?—A. Preacher
Miles.
Q. Who is your doctor?—A. Dr.
Pound.
Q. What is he treating you for?—A
Stomach trouble.
Q. Were you ever in jail?—A. Nc
Q. Do you know' this man here,
Garner, my deputy?—A. No.
Q. Did he get you out of Jail?—A
No. he was along.
Q. What were you charged with?—
A Somebody told tales on me.
Q. Who brought you down here? —
A. Mr Burke.
“Bill” Smith Her Lawyer.
Arnold took the witness on the
redirect.
Q. Who got you out of jail?—A.
My lawyer.
Q. Did you pay anything?—A. I
only paid my lawyer his fee.
Q. Who was your lawyer?—A. Mr.
Bill Smith.
W. M. Mathews, motorman on the
English Avenue car on which Mary
Phagan is supposed to have come to
town from her home, Saturday, April*
26, followed Miss Hopkins on the
stand.
Q What was your run on April 26?
—A. English avenue that runs to
Be 11 wood.
Q. What time did you pass Lind
say street?—A. Ten minutes to 12.
Q. Was that on schedule?—A. Yes
Q. Did a little girl named Mary
Phagan get on at Lindsay street?—A.
Yes.
Sat Behind Mary Phagan.
Q. What is the distance from Lind
say street to Broad street?—A. About
two miles.
Q. What time did you get to Mari
etta and Broad streets?—A. At
12:07 1-2. We w’ere on time.
Q Do you recollect where this lit
tle girl got off?—A. At Broad and
Hunter streets.
Q. What time did you reach that
point?—A About two and one-half
minutes later. It took that long on
account of the crowds.
Q. It took that long?—A. Yes, I
was not running the car then. I was
sitting behind Mary Phagan. There
was a little girl on the seat with hsr.
Q. Where did she get off?—At
Broad and Hunter streets.
Q. What time was it than?—A.
12:10 as near as I could recollect.
Q. Where did she go when she got
off?—A. She walked to the sidewalk
with the girl that was with her.
Q. Did you see this little girl get
on the car?—A. Yes.
Q. Did a little boy get on the car
with her?—A. No.
Didn't See Epps Boy.
Q. Do you know this little boy
Epps?—A. Yes.
Q. Did he get on the car with her?
A. No.
Q. He didn’t sit on the scat with
her?—A. No; I didn’t see him
Dorsey took the witness.
Q. You said you arrived at Broad
and Hunter streets at about 12:10
o’clock. Why do you say about 12:10
If you are sure of it?—A. It was about
that time.
Q. Didn’t you tell Detective Whit
field, of the ^Pinkertons, that you
might have been three or four min
utes ahead of schedule?—A. No.
Q. You are sure you never told him
that?—A. No.
Q. Hew is It that you are willing
to tell this Jury that Mary Phagan
did not get off at Marietta and Broad
streets?—A Walt a minute and I will
tell you. Ther> was an ex-conduc
tor sitting by me. He had a pin on
his coat. I took it off and leaning
over to Mary Phagan I said: "Little
girl, this is your picture." She said:
“No, it ain’t.” That made me positive
Can’t Describe Clothing.
Q. Tell me how these little girls
were dressed?—A. I don’t remember,
except they were dressed in some
thing light.
Q. Well, tell us anything that Mary
Phagan had on?—A. I don't know
anything except she had on a dress
and hat.
Q. Yes, she had on shoes and stock
ings. too?—A. Yes, and her dress was
light colored.
Q. You didn’t see George Epps?—A.
No, I didn’t see him.
Q. Would you know George Epps if
you were to see him?—A. I would
know him if I were to see him now.
Q. Tell me one thing about him by
which you can identify him?—A. I
can't remember.
Q. What color was Mary Phagan’s
hat?—A. It was light color.
Q. You say it was a light color.
Just what color was it?—A. I don’t
know.
Q. What did you say light color
for? Come, don’t
Arnold Calls Halt.
Attorney Arnold interrupted.
"Just wait a minute. That is not
th*» form to question him.”
"All right. I’ll put the question dif
ferently,” said Dorsey.
Q Mr. Matthews, you did not ob
serve what color her clothes were?
A. No, sir.
Q. What time did you hear about
her murder?—A. Sunday morning.
Q. What time did you go down to
identify her?—A. About 6:45 in the
afternoon.
(4. You recognized her as the lit
tle girl you had carried down the day
before?—A. Yes
Q. How did you recognize her? A.
Well, I knew her. One day she was
late and 1 Waited for her and she said
she was mad because she was late.
Every time after that 1 would ask
her if she was mad.
Fails on Color of Hat.
Attorney Arnold took the witness
and showed him the dress Mary Pha
gan wore.
Q. Was this the dress she wore
that day?—A. I am not sure, but it
looks like it might have been.
Solicitor Dorsey took the witness.
He showed the witness Mary Pha
gan’s hat.
Q. Is this the light hat you just
now told the jury Mary Phagan had
on? (The hat was of dark lavender
material.) •
Q. The girl you saw had on a
light hat?—A. That’s what I remem
ber.
The witness was excused, and W. T.
Hollis, conductor on the English ave
nue car on which the Phagan girl
rode to town Saturday, April 26, took
the witness stand. Arnold examined
him.
Q What is your business?—A.
Street car conductor.
Q. Where were you on April 26?—
A. On the English avenue and Coop
er street line.
Q Did you cross Lindsay street?—
A. Yes.
Conductor Saw Girl.
Q. On what street?—A. Bell wood
avenue.
Q. How many miles Is it from
this point to the heart of the city?—
A. I couldn’t say.
Q. What time do you leave the
other end of the line?—A. On the
hour, quarter and half.
Q. What time did the car that left
at 16 minutes to 12 get to the city?—
A. It took 22 1-2 minutes.
Q. Did the little girl get on at
Lindsay street?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you know her name then?—
A. No.
Q. When did you see her again?—
A. The next day at the morgue.
Q. Did this little boy, George Epps,
get on the car and ride with her?—
A. No; he was not with her when
I collected the fare.
Q. Waa the car crowded?—A.
There were only three passengers.
Q. What time did you get to Broad
and Marietta streets?—A. About
12:07 1-2.
Epps Boy Didn’t Get Off.
Q. Where did you get off?—A.
j At Marietta and Forsyth streets.
Q. Did this little girl get off there?—
A. No; I left her on the car.
Q. Did this little boy', Epps, get
off there?—A. No.
Q. How long did it take to get
from Broad and Marietta to Hunter
street—A. About 2 1-2 minutes, as a
rule.
Q. Do you recollect how she was
The wife of
the defendant
in the Phagan
case is always
among the first
to reach the
courtroom
in the morning.
dressed?—A. No.
Q. You don’t know whether these'
are the clothes?—A. No; 1 never
noticed.
Attorney Hooper took the witness
on cross-examination.
Q. There was nothing unusual
about her coming in that day, was
there?—A. No.
Q. There was no particular reason
why you should remember these
things, is there?—A. No.
Never Ahead of Time, He Says.
Q. You don’t know whether these
are her clothes, or not, do you?—A.
No.
Q. You always notice when any
thing happens to throw >’ou off your
schedule, don’t you?—A. Yes.
Q. But you don’t pay any atten
tion to being a few minutes ahead
of time, do you?—A. We don’t ever
come in town ahead of time.
Q. Are you ever late?—A. Yes;
sometimes.
Q. Was there anyone sitting with
Mary Phagan on the car?—A. No.
Q. You didn’t see a little girl sit
ting beside her?—A. No. When I
got her fare, she was sitting alone,
as I remember.
Q. She usually came down early in
the morning—factory hours—didn’t
she?—a. Yes; she usually caught the
car that gets to town at 7:07. She
said she was fifteen minutes late
when she caught that car, when she
said she was mad.
Q. Which end of the car did she
get on?—A. The front end.
Q. Which end were you on?—A.
The back end.
Q. And you say you overheard a
conversation between her and the
motorman?—A. Yes; he asked her if
she was mad. and she said yes, she
was late.
Said She Was Late.
Q She went down early in the
morning, as a rule? Yet, when she
said she was late, it was ten min
utes to 12 o’clock?—A. Yes.
Attorney Arnold took the witness
on the redirect examination.
Q. Are the cars on this line long
or short?—A. Short cars.
W. Was there any difficulty in
hearing what was said on the front
end when the car was standing still?
A. No.
Q. No such thing as being ahead of
time ever happens?—A. No, sir; it is
against the rules of the company.
Attorney Hooper took the witness
again.
Q. Do you mean to say that you
obey the rules of the company so
well that you are never ahead of time
nor never a little late?—A. It isn’t
against the rules of the company to
be late.
Q. Then you are never early—not
even when going to the barn?—A. It
isn’t against the rules of the company
to come in ahead of time when going
to the barn, so long as you don’t run
reckless.
Q. And that day you brought Mary
Phagan in was your last trip?—A.
Yes.
Defense Turns Over Books.
Attorneys for the defense at this
juncture turned over to the prosecu
tion the cash book and the bank book
of the National Pencil Company. Hol
lis was excused and Albert Kauffman,
an engineer, who drew a plot and dia
gram of the Selig residence where
Frank resided, took the stand.
He was examined by Attorney Ar
nold.
Q. What is your business?—A. Civil
engineer.
Q. Have you made a drawing of the
Selig residence on Georgia avenue?—
A. Y es.
Q. When?—A. Last week.
Q. Did you make a plat of the
kitchen, the dining room, the recep
tion hall, the parlor and the hall?—A.
Yes.
Q. How many feet is it from the
kitchen door to th e passageway?—A.
Fourteen feet.
Couldn't See Mirror.
Q. How wide is the passageway?—
A. Two and one-half feet wide and
about two feet long.
Q. Did you stand in the kitchen door
and see if you could se^ the mirror
in the dining room?—A. Y’es.
Q. Could you see it?—A. No. No
part of the glass was visible.
Q. Were you present when a pho
tographer took view's of the place ?-
A. Yes.
Q. Standing on the south side of
that door, did you see the sideboard?
A. Not within tw’o or three feet of it.
Q. Have you drawn a plat of Geor
gia avenue?—A. Y'es.
Q. Did you draw’ a diagram of the
block bounded by Pulliam street?—A.
Yes.
Q. How far is it from the Selig
home to Pulliam street?—A. 221 feet.
Q. How far to Washington street?
A. 175 feet.
Q. What does this represent? (A
diagram of the pencil factory was
displayed.)—A. That is the pencil fac
tory.
Gives Dimensions of Factory.
Q. What is the size of the elevator
shaft?—A. Six by eight.
Q. What is the length and breadth
of this hole? (A spot w'here the lad
der goes down into th? basement of
the factory was indicated).'—A. Two
feet by 2 feet 3 inches.
Q. What is the distance from the
elevator to the spot where the body
was found?—A. 176 feet.
Q. To the boiler?—A. 90 feet.
Q. From the elevator to this toi
let?—A. 118 feet.
Q. The distance from the elevator
to the back stairway?—A. 135 feet.
Q. The elevator to the chute? First,
the dimensions?—A. 5 feet wide, 15
feet long.
Q. Was that large enough for a
human body to go down?—A. One or
several.
Q. How far from the elevator is
it?—A. About 30 feet.
Q. How far is thq back door from
the elevator?—A. 165 feet.
Q. The total length of the building?
—A. 200 feet.
Q. What are the widths of the
walls?—A. Four feet.
Q. What kind of a bunk is in that
inclosure back there by the boiler?
A. A big box.
Q. What is in it?—A. All kinds of
trash. «
Q. How far is the trash pile from
the spot where the body was found?—
A. Sixty-one feet.
Q. The toilet?—A. Twenty-one
feet.
Q. From the back door?—A. For
ty-two feet.
Q. What about the line of vision
from the toilet to where the body
was found?—A. An angle of 43 de
grees.
Q. How far would the line of vision
throw you from this partition?—A.
About 3 feet.
Q. Could you see a body there?—
A. Not all of It.
Q. Is it an accurate plan of the
first floor?—A. Yes.
Q. What is the width of the front
door?—A. Six feet.
Q. What is the length of this
partition from the front door?—A.
Twenty-six feet.
Q. From the front door to the
stairway, how far its it—A. Thirty-
six feet.
Q. From the staircase to the ele
ctor shaft?—A. Thirteen feet.
Q. From the stairway to this hole?
—A. Ten and one-half feet.
Q. Is there a long hallway on the
first floor?—A. Yes.
Trap Door Near Tragic Spot.
Q. Does it extend to the west end
of the building?—A. Yes
Q. What is it used for?—A. Maybe
storeroom.
Q. Was it closed?—A. Yes.
Q. What was in there?—A. Two
toilets.
Q. How* far back?—A. About 90
feet.
Q. Is this the spot directly over
where the body was found?—A. Yes.
Q. What did you find on the right-
hand side, next to the toilet?—A. A
trap door.
Q. Were there steps?—A. Yes.
Q. How near to this chute was the
body found?—A. About 20 feet.
Q. When the trap is open, where
does it lead to?—A. To the base
ment.
Q. What is it used for?—A. To
send boxes down.
Q. Did you observe the door of the
safe when it stood open in the outer
office?—A. Yes.
Q. To what extent did it close off
the view to the inner office?—A. En
tirely.
Q. Could you see over that safe
door?—A. Yes.
Q. Could a girl?—A. I don’t think
so.
Q. To the right of the door In the
inner office, what did you find?—A.
A desk.
Q. Are there two windows there?—
A. Yes.
Q. They open on the street, don’t
they?—A. Yes.
Office 150 Feet From Dressing Room.
Q. This is Frank’s desk?—A. Yes.
Q’. A person on the other side of
the street could see the desk, couldn’t
they?—A. Yes.
Q. How far is it from Frank’s of
fice to the dressing room?—A. One
hundred and fifty feet.
Q. What kind of a view is it from
Frank’s office to the stairway?—A.
None at all.
Q. W r hat kind of a view of the
clock?—A. He could see about one-
quarter of the first clock.
Q. What are these open spaces
(pointing to the diagram)?—A. Pas
sage ways.
Q. How wide are the doors to the
metal room?—A. Six feet.
Q. How far from that door i» It to
the ladies’ room?—A. About 10 feet.
Frank Makes Suggestion.
Q. From that point how far is it
to the lathe?—A. Twenty feet.
Q. From this lathe to the point
where Conley said he found the body?
—A. Thirty-seven feet.
Q. How far from the ladies’ toilet?
—A. Nineteen feet.
Here Frank arose from his seat
and walked across to Attorney Ros
ser to make a suggestion for a ques
tion.
Q. What is the size of these vats?—
A. Six by four.
Q. Could you get a girl into one
of these?—A. Yes.
Q. Did you find in this whole build
ing a cot, a bed or a sofa?—A. No.
Q. Did you find anything that look
ed like a bedroom, except the ladies’
room?—A. No.
Hooper Cross-Examines.
Attorney Hooper took the witness
on cross-examination.
Q. Who told you the location of
the body?—A. Mr. Schiff.
Q. He was under Mr. Frank in the
factory?—A. Y r es.
Q. Then if that location was wrong
all of your measurements were
wrong?
Arnold objected and his objection
was sustained.
Q. Y r ou based all your measure
ments on Mr. SchifTs location of the
body?—A. Yes.
Q. If that w’as wTong, all of your
measurements were wrong—I mean
about lines of vision, etc.?—A. Yes.
Q. You found a gas Jet burning in
the basement? Where was it?—A.
Near the front.
Q. On the third floor you depended
for light on the front doors and win
dows?—A. Yes.
Q. These are all glass?—A. Yes.
Q. There is also a gas Jet further
back?—A. I didn’t see any.
Q. On the first floor you say there
is a trap door near the elevator two
feet by two feet three inches, lead
ing to the basement?—A. Yes.
Trap Door Small.
Q. A man of your size w'ould have
a hard time getting through there,
wouldn’t he?—A. Yes.
Q. Two people couldn't get through?
A. No.
Q. The scuttle hole back on the
first floor leads to the basement?—A.
Yes, to the dustpan in the back.
Q. A man doesn’t look in a curved
line, does he?—A. No, sir.
Q. Well, what do these curved lines
on the second floor mean?—A. Those
indicate the direction he probably
walked.
Several of the Jurymen were inat
tentive to these demonstrations.
Q. Anyone coming into this office
could see if anyone was in there,
couldn t he, if the door adjoining was
open?—A. Yes.
Q. Nobody standing on the fourth
floor at the head of the stairway
could see down to the second floor?—
A. I don’t think they could.
Q. Don’t you know they couldn’t?—
A. They might have a little view.
Bell Buzzard Found!
No, Not at Winsted
FORSYTH. Aug. 8.—The bell buz
zard has been discovered again.
Roger H. Taylor, of this county,
is sponsor for the story that on last
Wednesday a buzzard, with a be l
around its neck, passed through the
settlement know'n as Northwest Cor
ner and was seen by several reputable
citizens. •
Lighting on a tree in the settle
ment the buzzard attracted consid
erable attention, and it is claimed that
the bell W’as not only visible, but the
sound of the tinkle was unmistak
able.
Anti-American Feeling Stirred by
Huerta as United States Envoy
Nears Capital.
Continued From Pago 1.
United States will make no move un
til it is seen whether the Mexican
Government intends to carry out its
threat.
Former Governor Lind is due to
reach Vera Cruz to-night. If lie
makes good connections he should get
to Mexico City in time for a con
ference with President Huerta to
morrow afternoon. It is believed here
the Mexican President will be forced
to confer with President Wilson’s
representative, if only to discover the
nature of the communication it has
been admitted the former Governor of
Minnesota carries with him.
Should President Huerta deem it
best to expel Mr. Lind, the United
States may be forced to take drastic
measures, but it is hoped at the State
Department that this undesirable al
ternative will be avoided by a change
of front on the part of the Mexican
President after he receives Lind's
message from President Wilson, the
contents of which is unknown here
to anyone save the President and
Secretary Bryan.
After a conference with the Presi
dent, Secretary Bryan to-day an
nounced that the statement sent to
the American Embassy at Mexico
City for the Mexican foreign office
that Special Ambassador Lind would
be persona non grata to the Mexican
Government unless he brought the
proper credentials with him. had be n
received at the State Department to
day and that the President now has
it under consideration.
At the request of the State Depart
ment, the battleship Michigan to-day
was moved from Vera Cruz to Ciuda 1
Del Carmen. Mexico. It was feared
that the arrival of the battleship New
Hampshire at Vera Cruz to-day mignt
give rise to a report that the United
States was peparaing for active in
tervention and the Michigan, there
fore, was moved farther down the
coast, where she will remain for fur
ther orders.
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